Tutu not bothered by petition

2012-05-02 16:08

Cape Town - Archbishop Emeritus Desmond Tutu is not bothered by a religious group that is trying to ban him from visiting a US Catholic university, he said on Wednesday.

"People should be entitled to express their opinions, and I will continue to work hard to support the right of all people around the world to express their opinions," he said.

He described it as an honour to be invited to Gonzaga University, in Washington State, to deliver the keynote address at its 125th anniversary celebrations next Sunday.

Tutu said he had been in regular contact with university president Thayne McCulloh and was glad to see that the institution's student magazine, "One World", was welcoming of his visit.

The Cape Times reported on Wednesday that 784 people had signed a petition calling for the university to withdraw its invitation to Tutu because of his pro-abortion and same-sex marriage views.

The petition was sent out by the Cardinal Newman Society, which champions Catholic identity in higher education.

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It reads: "Although Archbishop Tutu performed wonderful work in South Africa, his positions on pre-born life, sexuality, and his disrespect for the Jewish people should disqualify him from receiving any honours at any institution worthy of calling itself Catholic."

However, a counter-petition by online community Faithful America had already received 12 192 signatures.

It said "religious right extremists" who had been waging a campaign of fear and intimidation on Catholic college campuses should not be allowed to silence Tutu.

On the university's website, McCulloh described Tutu as "a living exemplar of Gonzaga’s historic commitment to the ideals of equality and a free society as a Catholic, Jesuit and humanistic university".

He said the religious leader was among the most prominent moral icons of the time.

According to the Gonzaga Online Bulletin, Tutu was not being paid for the appearance, but his travel costs would be covered.

The university would broadcast his address on the day via live streaming video.

Tutu, 80, retired from public life in October 2010.

  • Rob - 2012-05-02 16:32

    Horrible little man !

      Kobus - 2012-05-02 17:04

      Agreed. A real religeous comedian that always seek attention!

      johncarlos.biza - 2012-05-02 17:13

      And I bet you're just a sweetheart gem, hence your popularity over his

      anne.crewe - 2012-05-02 17:28

      Why so nasty Rob? At least he calls a spade a spade and he also said that the world would be a better place if run by women ... how can you argue with that?

      Bob - 2012-05-02 18:16

      If the Arch is horrible how would you describe your juvenile outburst? You sir are ignorant!

      Greg - 2012-05-03 10:03

      "Prominent moral icon" my a**. Prominent political icon, yes. As a Catholic I really find some of our theologians / educators morally bankrupt and deficient in authentic Divine law. Too great a intellectual emphasis compromises genuine spiritual growth. I see alot of the Pharisiac attitude in our clergy today.

      Marion - 2012-05-03 10:22

      @Greg - do you include priests and nuns in your comment "...theologians / educators morally bankrupt and deficient in authentic Divine law"

      Greg - 2012-05-03 12:18

      @Marion .... This is a Jesuit institute, hence laiety, clergy & religious would be involved in it's operations. My comment therefore is broad based. Too much intellectual clap-trap for self-trumpeting, grand-standing even at the expense of authentic spiritual discernment and true teachings on morality. Not all but certainly many fall into this trap.

  • Junebugg - 2012-05-02 16:36

    #TeamArchBishop Legend

      SaintBruce - 2012-05-02 21:03

      Perhaps some light is needed on the subject. An Archbishop is ordained into ministry and such office held by the Archbishop is then taken in submission to his service to God and especially to uphold the Word of God , the Bible. Core principles in the Bible are: The right to life and that it starts at conception The principle that sodomy and same sex relationships are abhorrent to God Almighty, whom the Archbishop is 'supposed' to be in agreement with. The support of the Nation of Israel as all truly born again Christians are inherently honorary Jews by Spiritual Birth. To adopt contradictory views on these principles is Desmond Tutu's personal right as an individual OUTSIDE of his office as an Archbishop. However, as he currently carries that title and proclaims to walk in that office - even if technically retired - then he either renounces his faith in favour of his stated beliefs that fly in God's face or he makes public statements that he is submitted to ( in total agreement with) the Word of God and his former views were wrong. It appears as if the dear Arch wants his cake and to eat it too! If the Organised Religion he belongs to had any guts, they would have defrocked him long ago for his contrary public views! I am not taking away any of the achievements that the Archbishop has been credited with, but you can't claim to be a man of God and then make statements that are clearly opposed to that very God! It's called being double minded. I hope you understand.

      jody.beggs - 2012-05-14 07:00

      @SaintBruce. Your True Christian trademarks are showing again. Have you ever used a cross or seen a graven image of Jesus or God. Then according to the second commandment your going to hell. The good book you are referring to says in the ten commandments, you shall not murder , but then tells the Israelites its OK to stone rape survivors , lying children , atheists , gays , non-believers , people who can do magic(there is none) but allows rapists to marry there rape survivor ! Does this make sense to you too? Before you Bash your Bible anymore , ask yourself is the stupid book even real ? Damn the man.

  • BobM6389 - 2012-05-02 17:14

    A good insight on Tutu can be got from reading 'Rabble - Rouser for Peace' by John Allen. Check your local library they may have a copy. The book gives a very good insight into the man.

  • Arthur - 2012-05-02 17:19

    Christians being intolerant of Christians, now that's funny.

      anne.crewe - 2012-05-02 17:30

      Been going on for centuries.

      Kerry - 2012-05-02 18:20

      @mattwerk - Bishop Tutu may not be your idea of a good christian, but frankly I find most christian beliefs offensive, sexist, bigoted and homophobic. I for one prefer his message, you go ahead and hang onto yours. I don't need it thanks

      AnthonyfromAfrica - 2012-05-02 18:21

      Mattwork, ""and against the murder of babies (they even kill them after birth now, check Holland)"" Johhhhhhhh, you can talk a lot of sh.t !!!!!!

      anne.crewe - 2012-05-02 20:01

      Kerry , girl after my own heart, well said!

      Marion - 2012-05-03 09:56

      @mattwerk - there are indeed many paths to 'heaven'. If there weren't there would be 100% consensus amongst Christians on the interpretation of the Bible. I, for one, hold totally different spiritual beliefs about Christianity than do the 'born again' Christians, or the Mormons, or the Jehovah's Witnesses or or or... the Bible - which I try to understand at a deeper level than the written word - and a personal relationship with God are my spiritual guides.

      jody.beggs - 2012-05-14 07:07

      @mattwerk Have you read your Bible. "The Bible is against same sex anything and against the murder of babies" , really against murder of babies... Then why did God murder the first born children in Egypt? Instead of punishing the parents directly and did they go to heaven ? Or what about the 42 kids mauled for calling someone a baldie ? The bible is against same sex marriage but incest and rape play a magical role. Can you show me two places in the Bible where God himself let incest happen and another where incest went unpunished? or What happens to rapist in the Bible as apposed to the rape survivor ? If not I'll show you .. Damn the man.

  • Bob - 2012-05-02 18:14

    One of THE most remarkable men in the World. We as South Africans can be extremely proud of "The Arch." I don't do religion at all - but if there is one man who may peruade me to visit just a little - it is he.

      anne.crewe - 2012-05-02 20:04

      I have been taken aback by the vile thoughts against this most affable, thinking human being, an African we should all aspire to.

  • Johnny - 2012-05-02 18:21

    Rom 1:27-32 "27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; MEN WITH MEN WORKING THAT WHICH IS UNSEEMLY, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. 28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; 29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: 32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that THEY WHICH COMMIT SUCH THINGS ARE WORTHY OF DEATH, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them."

      Irene - 2012-05-02 18:38

      You believe in the bible? Shame.

      Johnny - 2012-05-02 19:02

      I believe in The One who guided its words onto paper.

      jody.beggs - 2012-05-14 07:09

      Shame another Sheeple... Can you tell me what happens to a rape survivor in the Bible and what happens to the rapists? And are you willing to stone your child for lying to you ? Damn the man.

  • Johnny - 2012-05-02 18:26

    "People should be entitled to express their opinions" a Child of God will just echo His opinion, and sacrifice their own.

      anne.crewe - 2012-05-02 20:06

      The European missionaries really got to you , now we see the real affect of colonization.

      George - 2012-05-02 20:30

      I'm sure Anne meant civilization not colonization. Only reason she is here today is because of the civilization brought largely by the missionaries. Perhaps she would care to be Zumas 7th wife?

      Marion - 2012-05-03 10:16

      @Johnny - 'a Child of God will just echo His (meaning God?) opinion (I thought it was His law) and sacrifice their own'. The Bible has been translated. We do not know how accurate the translations are. It is a personal relationship with God that will give us the guidance we need. As a Christian I ask: Is God a loving God or a vengeful God?

  • brendon.foster1 - 2012-05-02 18:36

    The Arch is an extraordinary man. I have had the honour of hearing him talk on numerous occasions and he always tackles at the heart of issues -albeit controversially - he has the rare ability to cut through the human element (judgmental and subjective value laden opinion) down to what is purely ethical. The level at which much of these comments are pitched - speaks sad volumes to how backward so many of us in SA are... we have so much learning to do. As if our own past was not enough to teach us - I shudder to think what we will need to eventually wake up? Perhaps it will take you to be the minority, perhaps it will take you to face extraordinary challenges in your life (abortion) - -to finally understand why we are blessed with a man who will stand up for the underdog while the ignorant in their masses(seen in posts right here) are casting the first stones.

  • rendaninick.mudau - 2012-05-02 18:49

    i am proud of ARCH BISHOP TUTU!

  • Toofaan - 2012-05-02 19:44

    In my opinion, anyone should have a right to his own point of view and to express it. I don't get what the fuss is about. Can anyone really say that there is anything wrong with this ? Why should anyone prescribe what people should think ? Especially at a university. These are very smart people he will address (I hope), so they will not accept anything blindly. Let them have the choice to listen or not.

  • joao.r.oliveira1 - 2012-05-02 19:52

    This is not a Catholic question, it's a Christian question, I fail to see how anyone calling themselves Christian can reconcile either abortion or homosexuality with the basic tenets of the Christian faith. Is belief in God or in the deity of Christ also optional for those professing Christian belief?

      anne.crewe - 2012-05-02 20:15

      Maybe God is a black women. You have been influenced by colonial missionary thinking in Africa.

      SaintBruce - 2012-05-02 21:17

      Dear Anne, Please go and do some research first. I know this is quite an emotive issue but killing the unborn cannot be right under any reasonable light. Having sex with another of the same kind is simple enough to see as pointless - the equipment doesn't fit and the purpose of intercourse is to make babies. Comments by a man claiming to be Godly that attack the nation that the very same God declares as Holy - simply defies belief. My only conclusion is that Archbishop Desmond Tutu no longer believes in his former faith but enjoys the benefits of his Title and his revered 'revolutionary ' stance. So Anne, we like the Arch for who he is but don't think that his current opinions are seen as Christian in content. For that reason, the organisation at which he has been invited to speak has some members that understand his double minded stance and object to it. Those in favour simply don't see past the hype of the frock and the politics to the apostasy in front of them! To promote ideas utterly opposed to the core of the faith he wears the robes of is , in itself, an abomination. God is a spirit - non racial, not physical, simply Just and Loving.

      jody.beggs - 2012-05-14 07:17

      @SaintBruce. "I know this is quite an emotive issue but killing the unborn cannot be right under any reasonable light. " Then why did God kill the first born in Egypt ? "Those in favour simply don't see past the hype of the frock and the politics to the apostasy in front of them! " That's what most Christians don't get about religion as-well , after the hype and the promises , all they want is the 10% of your paycheck and anything you can leave them after you die.... "To promote ideas utterly opposed to the core of the faith he wears the robes of is , in itself, an abomination. " Yes to promote the idea of a sky faerie is ridiculous ... God is a myth - sexist, egotistical , simply , not real. Damn the man.

  • flinkjon - 2012-05-02 20:32

    Let the man be, at least the man must know he go on his own accord.If the world look at the history of apartheid and the Jesuit order.For generations these leaders new about the atrocity the world over.Many of the leaders been sheep dipped and used the church for their fortune.Working behind the seen in secrete to prepare the one world order under the Jesuit high priest and master of the grave.These people for generations brought people under false pretend as if they really care.While their whole intention is to cut you down each and every way if you do not bow before their new world order.Using icons that could draw the masses to speed up their aspirations.THEY CANNOT EVEN SEE AND UNDERSTAND THEIR PLANS IS ALREADY FOILED!!!!

  • shaine.griqua - 2012-05-02 21:00

    I believe Desmond Tutu will be the best to address the univarsity on this remarkable occassion,whoever is against him is against democracy,truth,openness,transparency and life! As South Africans we are proud of Desmond Tut and his open views on the mentioned issues,we applaud Tut for his support to the marginalised rejected oppressed and forgotten memberes of our communities! We believe that Tutu is we thank the president of the univarsity for honoring Tutu Thank you

  • brainbowgold - 2012-05-02 21:00

    Not all Cathaholics are sick...

  • marriott.dhliwayo - 2012-05-02 22:51

    first a polygmas leader ,now a homosexual ,lesbian supporting leader ,pliz don t allow this guy to speak.Speaks as a lamb acts as a devil

  • aiazmir - 2012-05-03 00:50

    Heck, the Arch is cool. I don't always agree with his views but hell, he is a great entertainer, and always newsworthy. He is perfectly entitled to his views. I will always respect what he did in the days of the anti-apartheid campaign and his handling of the Truth and Reconciliation Commission. He commands huge respect internationally and for that, I say, go Arch.

  • arroyoribera - 2012-05-07 07:43

    It is important to give this story some context. Spokane is a geographically isolated US backwater. It is a town where a homeless man in a wheelchair was burned to death a few years ago. It is 92 percent white. Its name and its land and its river where stolen from the tribes that originally inhabited it and plaques and monuments in the city and its surroundings still refer to them as "hostiles". It is a town where the police are notoriously corrupt, brutal (google Spokesman-Review Otto Zehm) and unrepentent. Gonzaga is a Jesuit University which recently hosted Colombian Ingrid Betancourt which gave Gonzaga's president the opportunity to use cold war anti-communist rhetoric directed at the conflict in Colombia and a forum to attempt to salve her troubled soul while never once mentioning the millions of internally displaced in her country or the some 9000 prisoners of conscious and dissent in Colombia's prison system. Racial profiling by Spokane Police is the norm as is a disproportionate level of tasering and jailing minorities of color. Currently the people of Spokane are learning that drones are now flying over our community (as they are increasing over the rest of the US) and experiencing the corrupt and abusive Border Patrol in our communities, not for immigration enforcement but rather in routine joint enforcement with our corrupt and abusive local police. My statement: Welcome to my hometown Desmond Tutu! We need you and your voice in this land of intolerance.

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