Vavi: Poverty bomb has exploded

2012-09-20 19:10

Johannesburg - The "ticking time bomb" of poverty and inequality has resulted in the widespread violence in the country, Cosatu said on Thursday.

"The shocking levels of poverty and inequality lie at the heart of violent protests we are seeing in both the workplaces and communities," Congress of SA Trade Unions (Cosatu) general secretary Zwelinzima Vavi said.

"It is creating what until recently we have called a ticking time bomb."

Vavi was delivering Cosatu's national congress's declaration at the end of the four-day event in Midrand.

He said: "In the context of events in the mining industry and growing service delivery protests, we must now talk about 'exploding bombs'."

The declaration detailed some of the resolutions taken by the congress.

Vavi said the congress was embarking on a "programme of action" to drive economic shifts in the country. This included discussion on a national minimum wage.

"We will convene urgent meetings with the government and the ANC, at the highest level, to discuss the development of a new wage policy."

  • henk.vanrensburg.31 - 2012-09-20 19:19

    d if all the money went to where it was suppose to, and not in the ANC Cadres back pockets it could have been a different story. But go on Vavi, support the cadres...A

  • john.cryink - 2012-09-20 19:26

    Please vavi show the poor how concerned you are live on R80000 a year and give the other to the needy seeing that you R500000. But will you????

      rodney.bevan.58 - 2012-09-20 23:47

      Not sure I understand the thumbs up because your comment makes no sense whatsoever, or should i, like the thumbs up crowd, guess what you were trying to say and give it the thumbs up?

  • duncan.gill1 - 2012-09-20 19:27

    Poverty exists throughout Africa its only because some here have managed to create some wealth that the rest are jealous of it..why do so many foreign Africans come to South the rest of Africa so great..I don't think so!!!So be jealous and envious and learn to use what opportunities that present themselves your ANC government will only try to make themselves rich!!

      david.coetzee.77 - 2012-09-20 23:30

      Poverty exists everywhere. Its only in the countries where the people accepted responsibility for themselves where there is lower unemployment. All the comunist countries say they have zero unemployment - then you go look at those countries and you realise dogs live better than the mayority of the people there

  • nkosinathi.g.malindi - 2012-09-20 19:28

    From my observation, Vavi is good at sending the voice of the poor to the governing part but I'm not sure if they have the ears to listen to his concerns rather than being fighting to satisfy their greed which surpass their common sense and financial goals.

      Jaap - 2012-09-20 21:35

      Nkosinathi, Good comment but what common sense are you observing?

  • whites.mustunite - 2012-09-20 19:28

    Cosatu tell your members to stop breeding like flies.

      irene.buthelezi.1 - 2012-09-20 20:23

      Kensong.ben.7 ~ LOL at your comment because it shows your ignorance. When you can't feed all your kids, who is going to do that for you? Fool.

      themba.thwala.98 - 2012-09-20 20:58

      Hey s-holes, I advise you to go and dig up that MONSTER: your apartheid mastermind leader HF Verwoerd and ask him why he had to design and implement gutter education for blacks and forced large numbers of them to either not study or to drop out in primary school as soon as they could understand afrikaans in order to provide a cheap labour pool for “white SA”. It is the very same illiterates and drop outs who have been perpetuating the same breeding patterns. The ANC is simply cashing in on that Monster`s stupid apartheid idea.

      jayjay.mlungu - 2012-09-20 21:28

      Whitesnitwit, TSR01 why do you spill your racist cr@p here? What good do you think your ranting will do except make it worse. Have respect or stay off these forums. I am tired of reading racist comments on every subject (both whites and blacks)!

      themba.thwala.98 - 2012-09-21 06:15

      Whites.mustunite trash, here is a pick for you; TSR01, you seem strong enough to handle a shovel, and here's a wheelbarrow for you Irene, you fake white troll. Hau, one for you whitetrash, one for you comrade TSR01, and one for you fake white troll!!! It's wonderful, this New South Africa! C'mon now, HF's grave is not going to dig itself. Now start digging you morons!!

      whites.mustunite - 2012-09-21 07:16

      @themba.twatla where did I mention race? That xhip on your shoulder is making you stupid. Gutter education? How did so many blacks achieve university degrees during aoartheid? Why did the nats bvuild ten universities and thousands of schools during apartheid?

      themba.thwala.98 - 2012-09-21 07:42

      White-trash you did not mention race, but being a racist comes so naturally to you it's like breathing. How many blacks do you know that got degrees during apartheid because you clearly don't know any blacks. You are probably talking about nurses, the odd lawyer/doctor and a whole lot of teachers who were taught apartheid/gutter education to produce equally under-educated people to supervise the rest of the uneducated, illiterate and semi-illiterate on behalf of whites? Nice try, moron

      hein.huyser - 2012-09-21 08:16

      @ Temba, So two wrongs make a right now? We must rather concentrate on WHAT is right and not who. Do the RIGHT THINGS, rather than saying it. Something this government have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt they don't have the capacity to implement or do. After 20 years we don't see educated kids leaving schools, rather the opposite. And to say the rulers and decision makers of today are "products" of the apartheid system therefore it is OK for them to perform well below accepted international standards is truly backward thinking.

      themba.thwala.98 - 2012-09-21 08:34

      Hein, nowhere did I say two wrongs make a right. Neither did I say today's incompetent decision makers must be allowed to perform below par because they were under-educated. All I said was intended to counter shallow-mindedness and crude thinking with equally crude comments. I'm suprised you see nothing wrong with what the backward thinkers of your colour said. If you do find something wrong, why are you not denouncing them? Is it because by silence you consent to their racism? Having said that, I agree a 100 per cent with your sentiments, except you last line. You can bet every rand in your name that the description of `backward thinking` does not apply to me, and I challenge you to a debate around your view of me.

      maylani.bezuidenhout - 2012-10-18 13:36

      Themba, and let us not forget that blacks were forbidden from owning businesses or investing. Good comment. So how do we go about dismantling this situation before it all comes crashing down on our heads? The fastest way is direct foreign investment. So despite the serious problems of the miners they really do need to calm down and not scare the investors away who would like to come build factories here and employ and train people. Cosatu needs to do its job and negotiate on their behalf so that people feel like they have any other choice but to strike and get violent.

      maylani.bezuidenhout - 2012-10-18 13:40

      @ whites.mustunite - I take offence to your comment about the members 'breeding like flies'. If you cannot say it nicely then don't say it at all! Your lack of understanding of the people you share this country with is quite astonishing!

  • punungwe - 2012-09-20 19:29

    Okay Mr Vavi, now that you have made the resolutions, are you going to work towards them, or rather are your going to forget them as soon as you walk out of the conference door and start working towards enriching yourself?

  • lacrimosewolf - 2012-09-20 19:37

    The Alliance has failed to provide the market with the skills employers need by neglecting edu at all levels. It has failed to develop industry and stimulate lagging markets esp manufacturing. The sum of just these two failures is unemployment which results in poverty. Add the world-wide financial meltdown with more lay-offs as markets dwindle and here we are. You've been warned, for years and years, this was coming and the best you could come up with was "vote now, we'll solve the problems later". It is later.

  • keith.ngobeni - 2012-09-20 19:46

    VAVI, tell your friends in the ruling party to create jobs that's the best way of tackling the poverty. About inequality there's no way the middle class can climb the ladder and be on the same table with the likes of Tokyo,Cyril,motsepe etc. You guys can nationalise south Africa from limpopo up until to the Western cape province it won't solve any problems because the ordinary people will remain more vulnerable. Right now the department of social development said they don't have money to employ the newly qualified student social workers they gave bursaries too few years ago.

      christelle.james.7 - 2012-09-20 19:58

      I like that Keith - nationalise form Limpopo to Western Cape:-) But you have it spot on. Why do us ordinary people at streetlevel all seem to think two things - education and job creation(investments!) But none of the "clever" dudes seem to get it. Are we simplifying the issues?

      keith.ngobeni - 2012-09-20 20:48

      CHRISTELLE, what do you expect from people who are clueless about governing a country all they do is talking but no actions whilst walking around with the ministerial handbooks in their pockets. In Brazil the unemployment rate used to be high until the previous president came with a job creation plan/schemes now the word unemployed is the past tense in that samba country because their government had a plan or method on the table to deal with their challenges, unlike our government.

  • braamc - 2012-09-20 19:50

    Greedy, thieving cANCer, you get what you vote for

  • Yandisa Rwaai - 2012-09-20 19:51

    The issue is that the majority of the south African wealth is controlled by the minority and they're obviously partly to blame for the poverty as they're the biggest employers, have they played ball? That still remains a mystery while they blame the ANC for most of the problems in this country. Of which most of them was caused by them.

      dewaldmarais - 2012-09-20 21:59

      Yandisa: I have a fantastic idea for you, start your own business and become an employer. You can then decide who you employ....Let's imagine for a second by some miracle you are a business owner or rather an \employer\ like you so eloquently put it and you want to employ someone. You are conducting the interview with your candidates, who will you employ? That's right the best candidate regardless of race or gender - you would not compromise your hard earned business and potentially your own future on an uneducated, unskilled individual (charity case).... and that's exactly what you ask from the small business owners in this country - let all the small businesses risk everything for potentially little to no reward, it makes no sense. Maybe the majority must play ball and stop striking, marching, toy-toying - educate themselves and work hard for what they want. The saying \easy come easy go\ rings very true if you look at the parties, clothes, jewelry, cars and homes our corrupt leaders are splashing money on; while the masses suffer. If it wasn't for the \employers\'s tax money the uneducated masses would have far less...Finally do not be mistaken when it comes to \employers\ they are all white, black, colored, indian or asian. Success is color blind, anyone with the right frame of mind and attitude can achieve it.

      maureen.churchill.9 - 2012-09-21 06:50

      Really Yandisa, and who pays the most tax and helps keep all these unmarried mothers and pensioners with food on their table. Do away with the rich and you do away with tax. Use you noggin.

      graham.horn.505 - 2012-10-18 07:29

      Could you elaborate exactly how "the majority of the south African wealth is controlled by the minority" I would like to know what I am missing out on. The way I see it, blacks have cornered all the jobs in certain business areas which were previously almost completely white. The single biggest cause of poverty is over-population. If you have more children than you can afford, then you will be poor and they will be uneducated and end up being poor. Only you can break that cycle, not others.

      maylani.bezuidenhout - 2012-10-18 13:46

      @ Yandisa - the minority you refer to actually have to answer to their shareholders and earn a profit. So unfortunately they cannot just employ more people than they can afford (like the government). And these shareholders are you and me, people who put their money in the banks, buy unit trusts, invest their savings. If you upset the shareholders you risk them selling up and moving their money elsewhere. Now what do you think your pension gets invested in? We don't want to kill the goose that lays the golden eggs. You can't get a bigger pie by cutting it into smaller pieces. We need to bake more pies! And this is where education is vital.

  • fnxusani - 2012-09-20 19:53

    Vavi what's your take on juju the big mouth boy love or hate him???like the way I hate this boy!!!

  • - 2012-09-20 20:01

    Perhaps its as simple as, there are way too many parasites in this country and too few people who actually contribute to the economy. (in a disciplined/constructive way) Perhaps it was never an inequality issue, but the fact that the majority of SA citizens are also the most unproductive and criminal in the world.

  • sintjohn.witbooi - 2012-09-20 20:02

    Mr. Vavi, shift your focus from national minimum wage to national minimum qualification.

  • nicolas.gombert.16 - 2012-09-20 20:05

    Mr Vavi, you have lost control of your members. The Lonmin saga showed your members that they don't need you. On their own they achieved much more than ypu were able to negotiate with the employers. What is going to happen now, is that every disgruntled worker (and which one is not?), is going to go on a wildcat strike, demanding 22% increase and you are powerless to control it. Your little lapdog Patrick Craven should go back to the UK, where the unions were given a bloodied nose by Margaret Thatcher. Neither you nor your allies in government will be in control. You should never have become involved in government, now the bedbugs in your unfortunate marriage bed are starting to bite and you are jumping around. We feared civil unrest in 1994 and thankfully it didn't happen. The leadership of the likes of Nelson Mandela simply no longer exist in the ANC, COSATU or the SACP, so how are you going to stop wide-spread anarchy? Good luck, you need it!

  • crracker.crackerr - 2012-09-20 20:06

    If I have a business or am in control of shareholders' interests I will not increase the payroll load for the sake of Cosatu, the ANC or the poor. BS! Cosatu has been an accomplice in creating more poverty in this country. Keep the workers dependent on the capitalists. Don't encourage them to get involved in the economic system. Keep them plebs. Cosatu will not be able to force the creation of more jobs. They can't create jobs and no other trade union grouping or a political party - or Julius Malema - can do so. You either rely on the more resourceful members of society to organise and harness wealth creation (including building up of capital through investments)or you try it yourself. Cosatu will never succeed. Don't expect resourceful people to add to the welfare of the country while you discourage them. It is getting ridiculous. It is all about the top echelons keeping their members in perpetual manual labourer status. They are clearly going to turn this whole country into one huge shack farm. They are succeeding. Slowly and certainly. But of course they don't live on the shack farm. That is the lot of the plebs. Cosatu must create the jobs and wealth with which to satisfy the demands by the shack dwellers or shut up. At least they should tell the shack dwellers and Cosatu members that nothing prevents them from owning production through share holding. But no, the plebs must stay dependent for the sake of the elite in the trade unions. Cosatu, create the jobs!

  • pieter.scholtz1 - 2012-09-20 20:16

    And Cosatu continue to debate issues such as English and Afrikaans in the National Anthem at the COSATU conference. Wake up. Stick to your knitting!!!

  • nranwaha - 2012-09-20 20:18

    what vavi is saying is true becuase the the gap between the rich and the poor is becoming wide everyday.

      irene.buthelezi.1 - 2012-09-20 20:25

      You mean the gap between the educated and the uneducated. But then there's also another gap being created by the corrupt and thieving filth that is cANCer.

      crracker.crackerr - 2012-09-20 20:38

      @ nranwaha The poor can't help each other. But they and all the other perceived exploited can make an effort to start launching capital accumulation. Unite in the effort and in 10 to 15 years you will start controlling the economy. But eliminate the more wealthy and there will be nothing left. Nationalise and you will have only ONE employer for all. And see how the trade union elites will take over as the new bosses. That is what they have in mind. Imagine how much corruption! One boss and one salary. No opportunities to save or invest your money (income, but really very useless)as you would like to. We see how the law is now being used to take Zimbabwe's assets and sell them in payment to farmers who have lost their land in Zimbabwe. Take away the assets of people through nationalization and see how no exports will leave this country without being seized outside our borders by claimants as compensation for the loss of their investments and property. I think we can all imagine how little jobs will be left. Imagine all those social grants paid by the government drying up because the tax base has been destroyed.

  • jennifer.d.martin.750 - 2012-09-20 20:19

    Politicians triggered this bomb in their scrabble for power They will be finished when the STD time bomb cuts the population right down They know this is coming and do so little to help Your plannings and promises have come to so little You are NOT the ANC people were so proud of Your greed has brought this poverty and pain The blood of the people is being poured out on your watch ANC Future generations will remember you for this and so it should be. History has proven that revolutionary parties have about 20 years to make the people happy or they are OUT. You are failing the people... how long have you had now? Enjoy the champagne and rump steak while you may You are broken by selfishness, it's time to go away away.

  • chris.holloway.5 - 2012-09-20 20:30

    No Mr Vavi, it's the chickens that have come home to roost. All the false promises over 18 years, both by your unions and your goverment are now being exposed for what they are..that is why your members are so angry. You have lied to them for too long...even uneducated people can only be fooled for so long... reap what you have sown.

  • nyaganyaga.ndawonda - 2012-09-20 20:49

    u xinile nomzane

  • judith.taylor.56 - 2012-09-20 21:03

    Mr Vavi - will you give up your posh car? Can you persuade parliamentarians to cut their salaries? Pull the other leg, you don't care

  • blip.noodlum - 2012-09-20 21:19

    All a bit of a fizzer if this is what your talked-up "ticking bomb" explodes like, Vavi. Ho hum.

  • hein.huyser - 2012-09-20 22:04

    If those without an income of sorts went out in the streets one could have a better understanding of the situation, but when someone with a job gets greedy, just because his deployed cadre brother drives around in Land Cruisers and stay in R16m houses, cteating an unrealistic aspiration amongst the uneducated, then one must ask different questions. There are hundreds of thousands of white men barred from participation in the economy that would gladly work for the money those miners earn. BEE and job reservation for certain races lies at the root of these problems Vavi were losing members and now they are playing the blame game again, instead of telling this racist govrnment to get in line with the constitution.

  • Johnson - 2012-09-21 06:42

    Perhaps the ANC should consider the population growth and number of foreign immigrants roaming our streets today - if you have a population growth of 10% and economical growth of 2% {You will have unemployment} currently the unemployment is say at 20% - add the 8% above annually. You will never eradicate unemployment unless these two balance.

  • bless.boswell - 2012-09-21 08:12

    This is called cause and effect. The government has robbed the country blind, mistreated its people, delivered crappy service and allowed facilities to degenerate to the point of failure, and now it's someone else's fault. The people are tired of being hungry, cold, misled and uneducated. They are tired of seeing politicians living it up on funds that were meant for the people.

  • heidi.pierce.12 - 2012-09-21 08:20

    There are two things that just do not make sense. Firstly, For whatever reason(historical or otherwise) the state has so much on its plate that even the basic is not delivered. How then can more responsibility be taken by them. Especially if it risks so many jobs? Secondly,It is employers who employ people. If the rhetoric and policies are so antagonistic against employers, how can they expect anyone to want to become an employer? It is clear that to minimize your risk, you should employ as few people as possible.

  • johan.g.ferreira.3 - 2012-10-18 04:08

    This is Africa, African culture, look at the rest of Africa with no apartheid (separate development) total poverty, and no Governance for decades. Why would this government be different, it is only a matter of time. The nationalist party built a infrastructure under severe world economic sanctions, and everybody was employed.

  • quartus.vanzyl - 2012-10-18 07:03

    minimum wage? that is how you destroy job opportunities !! So domestic workers will stay unemployed. home owners can not afford to pay these minimum wages.

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