Vavi rejects youth subsidy

2012-05-15 16:25

Johannesburg - A youth wage subsidy will use workers' tax money to further enrich company bosses and had to be opposed, Cosatu general secretary Zwelinzima Vavi said on Tuesday.

"What will happen is when workers get old, bosses will throw them into the street," Vavi said in Johannesburg.

He said youth receiving the subsidy would also not receive a full wage.

"We demand equal pay for work of equal value."

Vavi was addressing a crowd outside Cosatu House in Braamfontein.

The protest took place when red-shirted union members affiliated to Cosatu stopped the Democratic Alliance from marching on its headquarters.

The DA is demanding Cosatu stop its opposition to the subsidy.

Vavi said youth unemployment was a "ticking time bomb" with 72% of the unemployed being under 35 years old.

Protests should rather be aimed at the Johannesburg Stock Exchange, where CEOs and companies enjoyed the fruits of South Africa's wealth.

Vavi jabbed at DA leader Helen Zille, saying DA supporters had learned to toyi-toyi by watching real workers on TV.

Earlier Braamfontein came to a standstill when Cosatu members chased the DA supporters out of the area.

Several cars had their windows smashed by protesters. Police fired teargas and used a water cannon to disperse the crowd.

  • clinton.badenhorst - 2012-05-15 16:29

    No Vavi! It will cost the ANC more money which means they will have less in their pockets! This what this whole thing is about! GREED!

      Squeegee - 2012-05-15 16:32

      Vavi did not think it up therefore it must be bad. Cosatu is not willing to seek real solutions, rather just push unworkable agendas on the country.

      Smilification - 2012-05-15 16:34


      Squeegee - 2012-05-15 16:35

      Cosatu thinks it has copyright on solutions for SA. Stand aside Vavi and let the grownups make a difference.

      Thabang - 2012-05-15 16:43

      I support Vavi on the march to JSE. Just like many other countries we need to have our own "Occupy Wall Street".

      Freddie - 2012-05-15 16:50

      Omnes Cosatu et ANC fautores fasciculum corrupti, misellus, indoctis stulti et dolor fures. Numquam tollunt societatis, sed permanere perdere hac.

      Andres - 2012-05-15 16:56

      The pictures speak a thousand words! A pale DA-protester, bleeding from the head, blood is being wiped off and being aided by the throng of protesters of colour. I'd rather be on the side of the fence where we help each other, regardless of what we look like, than the side of the fence that uses race to divide South Africa, intimidate and taunt alternative ideologies.

      allcoveredinNinjas - 2012-05-15 16:57

      How many jobs has COSATU created ? More importantly ,how many jobs have they chased away?

      colin.dovey - 2012-05-15 16:59

      What many people fail to understand is this: 1.FINANCE Minister Pravin Gordhan has voiced impatience with delays in the introduction of his proposed youth wage subsidy. 2. He confirmed that a major obstacle was the Congress of SA Trade Unions 3. Our challenge over the next six months is to very quickly build some consensus around what we could do so that we talk less about what we want to do and do what we want to do. All this means is that COSATU is BLOCKING jobs for 400 000 young people - they are sabotaging the country's progress, and this is going to lead to MAJOR problems in the very near future

      henk63 - 2012-05-15 18:01

      Thabang, when you occupied "Wall Street" what will you do? Burn the furniture? To each dungheap it's own cockerel. Meaning don't aspire to things you know nothing of.

      Fussed - 2012-05-15 18:11

      What about all the grants for single mothers hay

      Luviwe - 2012-05-15 19:38

      Cosatu is a disgace to us the unemployed and they should be ashamed of themselves.

      Ad - 2012-05-15 20:43

      Even if the youth only get apprenticeship for two years atleast that experience would of gone on their CV's .Cant this Dik-kop Vavi not think it will benefit the most unemployed section (the youth) of this country if this youth bill is pass?

      Tyson - 2012-05-16 21:32

      Here why Youth subsidy will not work: in simple terms Say Company X can only afford to hire 10 new employee without any salary subsity. now with this new policy can hire 20 new employees all on 2 yrs contracts and all youth. these new employees will be made up of 3 whites, 2 indians, 5 coloureds, 1 chinese and 9 blacks. at the end of the contract period, Company X decides to renew only 7 contracts ( 3 whites, 1 indian, 1 chinese, 1 colourered and 1 black) and declare the rest as not completent. The Government Monitors of the program need not worry because the contracts that were not renewed now have got 2yrs experience and can seek jobs somewhere else. come again, Company X hires 20 new youth employees. This time Company X hires 15 blacks, 1 white, 3 colourered, 1 indian and 1 chinese. This times around it renews only 5 contracts (1 black, 1 white, 1 coulered, 1 indian and 1 chinese). then the following year Company X does the same thing except that this time it dsoes not renew any contract and continues to do that until jesus comes back, because Company X's need to make more profit. Just like Shoprite and it's CEO is well rewarded for this!

  • George - 2012-05-15 16:29

    Vavi, your logic is right. Why should tax payer funds be used to subsidize business. Your methods are Stalinist. Change before its too late. cANCer is eating away at democracy. Don't support them.

      SaintBruce - 2012-05-15 22:45

      In short - COSATU does not respect democracy! COSATU wants to dish out marches [always violent yet they are so innocent] not they cannot take their own medicine and react violently. It is clear to any right thinking person that the DA's peaceful march was ambushed deliberately by COSATU. What a bunch of cowards. Vavi - now we know your TRUE colours - you don't stand for the Constitution of the Republic of South Africa, you oppose it and everything it stands for! COSATU should be penalised 3 month's union dues to be put into a fund for youth development. What is their solution for unemployed youth - job reservation and economically destructive higher wages ONLY for their members? Pah! Their actions today show the world how we fit into BRICS - we throw them!

      Peter-Peter - 2012-05-16 10:08

      SaintBruce, i dont know if you watched the news on E last night? What you say is so true. Vavi was walking with his entourage, shoulders back, chest out and eyes super focused. He knew there and then that violence was the answer. By the look in his eyes, the violence was premeditated. That guys needs a fat skop to the chin!

  • Marion - 2012-05-15 16:35

    Probably one of the saddest things about the COSATU members who participated in confronting the DA today (and obviously those who didn't) is the fact that most of them will have at least one child who will probably never get a job for lack of experience and skills.

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-15 16:57

      Vavi is correct. This DA ploy is a short term window dressing exercise and does not do enough regarding the institutionalizing of long term skills which RSA requires.

      Tuwani - 2012-05-15 16:58

      I can't agree more Marion. We need sober minds like yours to convince COSATU that their actions are not helping the unemployed, not the racist rants by some of our people. You're absolutely right, Marion.

      Peter - 2012-05-15 17:14

      @Tamaranui - You are a troll nothing you say matters

      Luviwe - 2012-05-15 19:43

      Tama the situation out there requires you to have an expirience just to secure an interview if you are not working. This wage subsidy that is championed by the DA and Government is a good idea. Remember that it cost companies a lot of money to train an employee from Tech or Varsity. We need not to be partisan here.

      Jan - 2012-05-15 21:10

      Luviwe, you are so right. Thank you!

      Thabo - 2012-05-16 00:30

      Luviwe, here-here!

      SaintBruce - 2012-05-16 07:19

      Here's a pertinent question: Don't we have a youth development agancy [NYDA] ? So what have they done with the R 1 thousand million they were given by government ? More parties, new houses or actually helping the youth get jobs ? Not a word from them over this issue -I wonder why?

      Merven - 2012-05-16 07:53

      Maybe the ANC must implement a special tax for DA card members, because I for one don't want to pay for the useless youth. This is just a stunt from the DA to impress the majority, at least they are learning from the ANC.

  • Marion - 2012-05-15 16:37

    "Several cars had their windows smashed by protesters. Police fired teargas and used a water cannon to disperse the crowd." Be more specific. Which protesters?

      Kala - 2012-05-15 16:42

      Does it really matter?

      Marion - 2012-05-15 16:49

      @Kala - yes it does to me.

      Kala - 2012-05-15 16:53

      Gosh and there I was thinking there were bigger problems. It was very likely both sides. Maybe there will be some TV footage that will show the perpertrators and that will put your curiosity(?) to rest.

      Stewart - 2012-05-15 17:15


  • dorovan - 2012-05-15 16:38

    It's the other comments VAVI made which are disturbing. Equating Zille with De Klerk & ranting about Apartheid & their "stinking fingers" is what makes this another inarticulate populist pig. Go to Hell you moron. It's your type of leadership that makes Africa the world's smelly armpit.

      sven.gohre - 2012-05-15 18:09

      Actually, it is more like the "Smelly Anus" of the world, lol.

  • Kala - 2012-05-15 16:38

    Vavi - You and your organisation have today been shown for what it truly is. A band of undeciplined thugs hell bent on perpetuating violence. One day the 70% of the unemployed youth are going to stand up and say "What has COSATU given us?" And the answer will be "a few red t-shirts made in China."

  • Hermann - 2012-05-15 16:38

    Vaivi wants the money, that is all.

  • Faizie - 2012-05-15 16:41

    Now we have NO GO areas in our city. You can take them out of the jungle but you cant take the jungle out of COSATU

  • glen.e.huysamer - 2012-05-15 16:42

    Worker contributions to Casatu is the same as paying E-tolls.

      Kala - 2012-05-15 17:00

      At least with e-tolls you get to use a road. I'm still not sure what benefits COSATU bring to the workers.

  • Andrew - 2012-05-15 16:42

    less money to steal?

  • Clive - 2012-05-15 16:43

    Buy having more youth employed means more taxes, the more taxes the more can be done for our old age and so on and so on. I don't see the problem Vavi

  • Mario Bisogno - 2012-05-15 16:43

    Exactly vavi!! So don't even try to create jobs becuse we will stone u!!!and 73% unemployment is not bad compared to other African country's look at zim that is our goal :) 100% unemployment viva.we will event nationalise your shoes till there's nothing left viva then we will jump the border to madagascar viva

  • eil33nn - 2012-05-15 16:44

    "Vavi said youth unemployment was a "ticking time bomb" with 72% of the unemployed being under 35 years old" He admits there is a problem, but he won't help the youth? Why is our government even listening to COSATU? The majority of our leaders are in aggreement, put it to a vote in the parliment and gazette it!

      Kala - 2012-05-15 16:56

      It is much easier to take money from the workers than to actually do something meaningful like find ways of creating employment.

  • Bassie - 2012-05-15 16:48

    Vavi, u r a clever boy my son, this will lead 2 more corruption cases for public protector. Another tax monies

  • Singatha - 2012-05-15 16:49

    Ok Vavi, what are you putting on the table to make the youth employable?

      Smilification - 2012-05-15 16:53

      Nothing! They don't care about the unemployed youth! They have attacked the youth of SA!

  • herman.brummer - 2012-05-15 16:51

    Cosatu has just become an ANC thug! Look at the way the behave, akin to animals.

  • Themba - 2012-05-15 16:51

    What we need in this country are entrepreneurs, unity, hard work, and reward for educated people by affording them opportunities to get experience. Sometimes you find highly educated people without work and those with grade 12 with work. We all get experience at work and no one is born with experience. Sometimes excuses are made about 'attitude' of youth or certain employees as most businesses in South Africa are resisting change. We all know that people must be developed and that all cultures must be accommodated!!!

  • Bobo - 2012-05-15 16:53

    Vavi your communism FAILS !

  • Hermann - 2012-05-15 16:54

    Vaivi wants the money, that is all.

  • kemikal654 - 2012-05-15 16:56

    So says a man who's wife earns a mill

  • elkita.robbertse - 2012-05-15 17:00

    You have made a dent today DA.Young people will start to think from today.Zuma is behind all this.Vavi and Zuma sat down and decided that violence is the only way.Crime minds.....

  • Sheda - 2012-05-15 17:01 IDIOT....I challenge you to an open public destroyer of jobs.

  • Charles - 2012-05-15 17:03

    I agree youth unemployment is a ticking time bomb for SA. Have any of those writing comments actually read what is being proposed. The boys in red for all their shortcomings actually have a point when it comes to this although even their argument could be better presented. The weakness in the wage subsidy appears to be that Govt pays x with a matching amount from an employer. Good concept......ask the question...where will the employer save his or her matching amount. Cutting jobs elsewhere (the older employees)? Are the DA pushing this to capture the youth vote from a very ill informed youth who rightly want a better future.

      Sphe Tony Zulu - 2012-05-15 17:34

      well, have u considered the skills that the youth will get whilst still employed?

      Manu - 2012-05-15 17:59

      I agree Charles. Today I learnt what this whole thing is about, and its a policy that comes with high risks. People should know this. What most forget is that all policies come at a cost. People are forgetting that if no new real jobs are created then this whole thing becomes a zero sum game. In the current economic environment where new jobs are not created the net effect of this will be to reduce salaries without necessarily creating new jobs. For example if I train somebody because I get money to do so what is my incentive to keep the person after their training (when the subsidy dries up)? Many employers will start looking for loop holes to drop higher salaried employees. Human nature can't be negotiated with. This whole thing needs to be looked at more carefully. Open debates would help shed light on the whole thing.

      Tony - 2012-05-15 19:12

      The main issue is to get young people to get experience and training. A chance to prove themselves in employment and a chance for employers to share knowledge with young employees. As a business owner, I will certainly take advantage of this, doing my best to create space for another employee without the risk of the full salary because the subsidy will pay half. If the employee adds value and is willing to learn, we will together create an opportunity for that young person to continue in the position we created. That is the bottom line. Too many young people are unemployable due to a lack of skills. This is the way to get them employable.

      Rob - 2012-05-15 21:49

      Charles: Valid points you make....but in a situation where today most created jobs are little more than make-work or welfare the reality is that there is a finite limit on the number of jobs (or number of workhours) available. Under such a circumstance is it not smarter to employ youth and train them even if it means releasing older workers (effectively reducing the retirement age). Especially recognising that work experience will equip some released older workers to go it alone. The alternative of massive numbers of unemployed angry youths is unthinkable.

      Maltacular - 2012-05-16 09:17

      Well done Charles. Valid points you make. The economy is very tough and we all know that anyone will jump at an opportuniy to make an extra rand for themselves. Having said that businesses will definately seek to employ "cheaper" so that they can profit themselves but is this going to cost the older well paid experienced employees? Good question indeed. The SA youth who are misinformed will certainly be thinking the DA maybe their only hope now. Is this a ploy to get votes from the youth?? Does somebody remember Barack Obama's election campaign of 2008? I definately see similarities

  • Sonja - 2012-05-15 17:07

    news24 censorship in full forse. VIVA 3rd world media censorship. VIVA. news 24 ..... ANC mouth piece

  • tobydt - 2012-05-15 17:07

    Vavi doesnt get it. This will create work for those currently unemployed. If not for the subsidy, they would have no work at all. But anyways, f*** you man. You obviously only care about the employed. You dont give a sh1t about the unemployed.

  • George - 2012-05-15 17:07

    You sing two songs Mr Vavi.........i thought you might get my vote..........but.mmmmmmmmmm

      Luvhani - 2012-05-15 19:31

      George ur loyalty 2 Zille is clouding ur judgement, the same way vavis loyalty to the membership of cosatu affiliates is clouding his. I dnt even want to comment on this subsidy insanity. There has 2 be a better solution. Anyway where there is disagreement on solution 2 a problem, south africa stands 2 gain and opportunist fail.

      Luvhani - 2012-05-15 19:32

      George ur loyalty 2 Zille is clouding ur judgement, the same way vavis loyalty to the membership of cosatu affiliates is clouding his. I dnt even want to comment on this subsidy insanity. There has 2 be a better solution. Anyway where there is disagreement on solution 2 a problem, south africa stands 2 gain and opportunist fail.

  • Lady - 2012-05-15 17:08

    Why did DA march to COSATU in the first place I thought ANC is the one running the country.This was unnecessary its sad that people got injured.

      Jo - 2012-05-15 19:51

      Because Cosatu is the only ones that said NO to the subsidy and they have enough weight in the tripartite alliance to stop it... How's living under a rock working out for you? lol

  • George - 2012-05-15 17:10

    @Thabang....well said.........high time......ENOUGH OF CORRUPTION AND MANIPULATION BY ENRICHING THE FEW........

  • Frank - 2012-05-15 17:14

    Youth subsidy aint gonna happen finish n klaar!

  • Geoff - 2012-05-15 17:15

    When will we realize that we are not an economic island and that our international competitors are running further and further ahead of us. Stop the communist rhetoric Mr Vavi and consider ALL solutions to unemployment - not just those that fit your (peculiar) political ideology.

  • George - 2012-05-15 17:16

    The far Left Wing are dangerous , corrupt, and unreliable.........they say one thing and do 2 zim dollars ( if there is such a thing)....Bob...u there.hellooooooo????

  • Bzeng - 2012-05-15 17:22

    Vavi is only concerned about workers who already have jobs! What about the young graduates who cannot access the working place due to lack of expierence? Government has set business policies that now make companies refuse to waste profit on training young graduates. This subsidy will assist these business to train and as well grow to train more young graduates in future.Warning Mr Vavi unemployment has increased and retrenchment has increased too.

  • Hudayfah - 2012-05-15 17:25

    I respect your opinion, its your point of view and a valid point at that. Now why couldn't you respect the opinion of those who differ from you? Why turn to violence and racism? You have today shown who you really are

      Wally Walters - 2012-05-15 17:53

      agre ANC have produced nothing in 18yrs ' but enriching themselfs and their families

  • ramosa61 - 2012-05-15 17:27

    @Freddie: Est mens parva hominis quae tantum errorem pertracta. Quidquid dixit, avaricum suum expositum est. Ecce, vult solus salvator esse!

  • Trevor - 2012-05-15 17:34

    DA that's the bad way of campaigning-Losers

      tobydt - 2012-05-15 17:38

      Hehehe, another R12 ANC prostitute.

      Trevor - 2012-05-15 17:44

      @Sinudeity Jou ma se prostitute

      tobydt - 2012-05-15 18:44

      Byron - 2012-05-15 19:06

      @Trevor - why sink to the lowly depths of Sinudeity - he has quite an arsenal of classless comments so he'll beat you with experience - just allow him to be himself and shake it off

      Bokfan - 2012-05-15 19:35

      Sin I dont think this Treva berk even paid his 12 bucks. He just wants a free skrop.

      tnmunyai - 2012-05-15 21:51

      DA is a satanism organisation. I wonder if those who support it are not satanist. Satan always comes with different tricks.

  • david.lebethe - 2012-05-15 17:38

    Cosatu has thrown DA lifeline just when everybody had seen the party for what it is - lilly white. Intolerance towards DA march did not bode well for a federation whose affillates march everyday to flex their muscle on the shop floor and that workers use as a tool to realise their objective. Just what was wrong of letting members marching to Cosatu house without making such a fuss about it? Now DA is going to be in the news for a longtime and catapult it into heroes when it is not. If there are casualties in the resultant pendamonium, then the story is going to liner for a longtime and might as well find its way into history books and when a peaceful march would have faded unnoticed. The blunder is indicative of the leadership we now have in the trade union as Vavi and company must go back to school.

      Wally Walters - 2012-05-15 17:47

      cant the rest of SA see what and who they are voting ; A bunch of wild west thug ; people out there you still got a chance for survival vote for party who will guarantee your future

      sven.gohre - 2012-05-15 18:22

      David, was it not eye opening to see how many people of colour were in the DA march compared to the whites? The DA by marching has shown that it is not only a party for whites, but a party for all South African citizens. For that alone, the DA have become, not the victims of COSATU's barbaric behaviour, but the shining light of a multi-ethnic political party. So I would say that COSATU and CancER have shown the whole country that they have been lying to the whole country every time they called the DA a party for White interest only.

  • marina.poniatowska - 2012-05-15 17:56

    "Vavi jabbed at DA leader Helen Zille, saying DA supporters had learned to toyi-toyi by watching real workers on TV." It says a lot about work ethics. While Cosato is dancing in the streets, the rest of the country is working for real...

  • henk63 - 2012-05-15 17:56

    There is a saying - rather half an egg than an empty shell. Seems COSATU chooses the empty shell for the jobless.

      alansmartSnr - 2012-05-15 21:53

      ..@ samuel.shapiro.5 .. no insult intended but you dont seem to understand the idea and draft of the youth subsidy..Youths will be employed as learners / apprentices with market related wages OF WHICH A PART will be subsidised by government and the rest by the company / employer. They will not be replacing any other employees but will, or can in event of death or resignation of established workers. It would be both a gradual process and where possible an urgent one. It's one of the few brilliant ideas coming from parliament, but the Unions are against it cos of the wage structure. They insist that if anyone does a job or is being trained in a job, or being given a bit of exsperience, it will jeopordize their power to strike. It's as simple as that.

  • Mark - 2012-05-15 18:42

    Vavi, the opposite of Viva, hence he disagrees with everything. I hate it when people who are rich (politicians) act as if they care about the poor. While you're talking policy, the people you are supposedly protecting are dying of hunger.

  • samuel.shapiro.5 - 2012-05-15 18:47

    im no economist but doesnt a job for the youth mean not a job for an older person. they not creating jobs with youth subsidy they are just transferring the jobs. so bare with me but if a 45 year old worker earning R10 000 is replaced by a younger worker earning R4500 (these numbers are random) then the company hiring saves money, more so because government is subsidizing the pay. so essentially for the same work a company can pay way way way less. so all the money the 45 year would have spent is funneled into big business. granted some companies may just hire extra youth but is this really a risk we can take.

      glen.e.huysamer - 2012-05-15 19:09

      There will obviously be some companies that will attempt to fiddle the numbers, but they will do so at their own peril, the fact is that older workers will be replaced irrespectively, as the youth market comes in at a cheaper rate this is happening all the time. The emphasis here is on getting more people to work and earning a living wage, it is about changing the deadlock which leave hundreds and thousands of young matriculants and college students stranded with nowhere to go, nothing to do, and no promise of a way forward where they can start to afford to make plans for their own future. It is better to have a millions more people working than to have them not working. It is far better than giving out state charity or baby grants which has made a huge section of our society slaves to poverty, dependent on grants that can not even pay for one weeks food or one month supply of baby diapers. This is a public/private participation opportunity where companies can aid the government in redirecting the youth's mindset and give all of South Africa an extra opportunity. Yes there are dangers, but leaving the status quo as is, is even more dangerous to our future generations.

      Tony - 2012-05-15 19:17

      No Samuel. A more skilled person due to work experience will create a more employable young person. More opportunity to show that you can add value and to assist in growing the economy with more production. Rather than sit unproductively at home, these youngsters will get skilled. Remember that COSATU gets rewarded based on what their members earn. The more people they have in membership, the more the COSATU leaders are paid. They do not want anything that compromises that, even if it means more young people can work. They are only protecting the rights of their members, not the rights of the unemployed.

      samuel.shapiro.5 - 2012-05-15 19:21

      Optimistic, and not a very good long term plan. but I see your point and agree the status quo cannot be maintained. As usual the one good thing that comes from politicians being silly is some debate. Im by no means knowledgable enough yet to properly debate you but where are the extra million jobs suddenly going to appear from?

      tshekiso.saul - 2012-05-15 19:32

      True that Sam. The skilling of one must not come at the expense of another, more and more subsidies. What r companies doing with the skills development subsidies.

      Bokfan - 2012-05-15 19:37

      How can a kid replace a main ou. Unless the main ou was useless to start with?

      Bokfan - 2012-05-15 19:40

      If vavi is scared that there will be competition for opportunities he must say so. Then he must also admit that all he cares about is those with work and the ability to pay subs. This idea that because you are a cosatu member you have a job for life is a death sentence for the SA economy.

      samuel.shapiro.5 - 2012-05-15 19:57

      The last message was for @Tony Im not agreeing with COSATU but im speculative of giving business money so willy nilly. As far as I can tell there is no real manufacturing industry (yes their are areas but not many). Most of COSATU's membership is miners (SADTU excluded, but same point applies to them) why not leave them in jobs and train the youth through educational subsidies and a larger focus on basic education and tertiary education. I know things like this exist but they can always use more. Better yet instead of giving business's money for hiring a few young people why dont we invest in local manufacturing, entrepreneur's. Simply i just dont see WHERE these jobs are going to appear. COSATU has a membership of miners. semi-skilled labour we have in abundance, those unemployed youth are very capable of mining but the economy just doesn't have the need for him/her. Who are we actually giving this money to and what youth are going to benefit. Government money doesnt belong in private hands that goes for the corrupt and the corporate, funny how those words are so similar.

      Jo - 2012-05-15 20:08

      I don't agree, I started in a small company doing odd jobs, renovations, helping out with clients and learning the it side of the business, then after 2 years working for the company I started my own company and now I employ 4 people. I didn't have any experience and now own a company (small one but still) You telling me that it would have been better if I never got the chance to learn... then there is something wrong with you. The more people that work in this country the better for all!!!!!

      samuel.shapiro.5 - 2012-05-15 20:25

      Well @Bokfan if the 'Main Ou' grew up with and was educated by Verwoed i dont think he could possibly stand up to your unique criticism. He should just give up on his career and experience and stop being a liability on his employers. We should, and this will solve everything, do what the Inuit people do and float our old people who are liabilities and demand pensions and grants out to sea! *i dont do this often but is my sarcasm evident.

      samuel.shapiro.5 - 2012-05-15 20:49

      @Jo im not saying people shouldn't get a chance to work, im not arguing for COSATU I think they do lots of stupid things. Im querying the legitimacy of the DA's proposal as i question the governments skills development subsidies, and many of COSATU's shortcomings. I think your story is amazing i support that but surely to replicate such a story on the mass level it needs to be done, the Youth Subsidies are not the way. the money will inevitably go into the hands of the richest and small business will receive pennies compared to the larger corporations. I dont see why big business needs any help lifting its profit margins. we obviously see things differently, good luck with your business venture.

  • tshekiso.saul - 2012-05-15 19:38

    Imagine your enermy maching to your territory to try and force you to support their point of view because you influence the decision makers. Pretty stupid, they knew what to expect at Cosatu house. It is unfortunate that there was violence. Is Cosatu liable to the DA. Nope

      Bokfan - 2012-05-15 20:07

      Ehhhhhh Tshekso my brother. Cosatu does not have ny "territory" in Mzansi

      Jo - 2012-05-15 20:09

      Cosatu made HEROS out of the DA, thanks for that!!!!

      samuel.shapiro.5 - 2012-05-15 20:14

      The politics is hilarious, when i heard what they were going to do I was dumbfounded. COSATU doesnt pass policy. What does the DA even want COSATU to do, what was their memorandum: stop influencing government! I dont understand why COSATU didnt just close the office for the DA march. "okay everyone its early lunch and come back after the blue shirts leave" would have served DA right.

  • Brad - 2012-05-15 19:59

    This is not a COSATU or DA or ANC request. This is a request from the unemployed. You get paid Mr Vavi, why deny the unemployed the opportunity? Strange how a "workers" organisation can stand against any initiative to create jobs for political alignment. Mr Vavi you lossing any credability you have.

  • Crracker - 2012-05-15 20:02

    The seeds have today been planted. Many people will start questioning the motives of Cosatu and their call for so-called distribution of wealth. Cosatu likes the union fees side of the capitalist system far too much to care for anything else. They are interested only in self-trade union employment. The truth will now be more palatable for the unemployed. And they are voters and potential future workers. If Cosatu can't even support employment for the youth what will they do when the masters in Cosatu take over the economy? Let's see reality blossom.

  • thenga.pfananani - 2012-05-15 20:18

    Whether they like it or not the DA is in the forefront of the real struggle that is facing SA of 2day, we need jobs 4 the youth so VIVA YOUTH SUBSIDY VIVA!! and Mr VAVI u must change your name the other way round\VIVA\ n suport this true struggle!

  • Ro - 2012-05-15 20:19

    VAVI when you open your mouth you illustrate just how stupid you are.

      tnmunyai - 2012-05-15 21:07

      Stupid always turn its stupidness to others. DA agenda can not work.

  • thenga.pfananani - 2012-05-15 20:20

    Whether they like it or not the DA is in the forefront of the real struggle that is facing SA of 2day, we need jobs 4 the youth so VIVA YOUTH SUBSIDY VIVA!! and Mr VAVI u must change your name the other way round\VIVA\ n suport this true struggle!

  • thenga.pfananani - 2012-05-15 20:21

    Whether they like it or not the DA is in the forefront of the real struggle that is facing SA of 2day, we need jobs 4 the youth so VIVA YOUTH SUBSIDY VIVA!! and Mr VAVI u must change your name the other way round\VIVA\ n suport this true struggle!

      tnmunyai - 2012-05-15 20:56

      Nia divha ndi mini? Ndi zwone vhaswa a vhana mishumo. Fhedzi zwa uri muvhuso ufhe dzi company tshelede hu dovha u pfumisa vhane vha dzi company. Tshelede ndi ya rine vhatheli. Sedzani uri vhunzhi ha dzi company dzi khou langulwa nga vhonnyi. Khwine kha hu tou fhiwa tshelede vhenevho vha sa shumi arali tshelede i hone. Vha tshena a vho ngo lala na luthihi. Vulani mato ni litshe u vha tshipondwa tsha vha tshena. A vha ni funi ende a vha nga dovhi. Vhovha vha gai vhaswa vha vha tshena namusi. Ho vha ho dala vhoiwe vho Blacky ni tshi khou shumisiwa. Shem

  • Jan - 2012-05-15 21:06

    These sentiments work only with the lesser educated people of SA. Vavi, your arguments are bottomless and do not contain any probability. please give it a chance!

  • Rob - 2012-05-15 21:24

    The loser today is everyone. EVERYONE because an already weak and ailing democratic process has become more damaged. Supression of ideas and voices by violence has been tolerated once again, adding more effect and power to the real enemies of a just society. It will not be long, I suspect, before we all lie awake at night fearing the invasion of our homes. You think that I over-react, then tell me who will protect us.

  • Sipho - 2012-05-15 22:22

    I have a serious problem with the way people are trying to deal with high unemployment rate. First it was Herman Mashaba with his ideas of suspending the minimum wage for SMEs. He suggested that employers must negotiate with the already vulnerable job seekers. If the prospective employee is prepared to accept a wage below the minimum wage, the employer must be free to go ahead with this relationship. And now we are talking about the wage subsidy. This too is in the name of job creation.I dont thing it is a good idea to try and bypass the laws of the country with an excuse that we need to create job opportunities.Am I missing something here?