Vavi wants radical policies in Mangaung

2012-06-07 20:00

Johannesburg - Cosatu boss Zwelinzima Vavi has told delegates from the National Union of Metalworkers (Numsa) to push for more radical policies at the ANC conference in Mangaung, and avoid getting into factional politics.

Speaking at the Numsa conference in Durban, Vavi said Mangaung should be about "our liberation and dignity in its totality".

"When we arrive in Mangaung, we must say we want nothing else, we want the Freedom Charter.

"Even if people lobby you about generational mix, you must say we want the Freedom Charter... including the demand that the wealth of the country shall be shared and that the monopoly industries and the banks shall be transferred to the ownership of the people as a whole," Vavi said.

He said members of the tripartite alliance should put aside factional and "palace" politics, and put the interests of South Africa’s people first.

Vavi also gave his clearest indication yet that he would not heed President Jacob Zuma's call to unionists to take up leadership positions in the ANC and government.

He said while it was Cosatu's policy to join the ANC and influence its direction, his personal view was that it was incorrect for him to take up positions in the ruling party and government.

He said leaders who did so were unable to speak up when things went wrong.

“You can push me. But when I have a hot potato under my tongue, don't complain.

"Things are tough out there. The patronage thing is no small matter. It's the most powerful weapon in every capitalist society.

"Every person walks around with a demon of power inside of him. It's natural," he said.

The five-day conference ends on Friday.

  • maseratifittipaldi - 2012-06-07 20:19

    Start by saying Top : Bottom remuneration not greater than 10 : 1. Start with Government. Then go private. Let's see if Cosatu really cares.

      jack.bleck - 2012-06-07 20:49

      I wish Cosatu would get out of government altogether! The tripartite alliance has already served its purpose - now is the time to build a stronger SA.

      Christelle - 2012-06-07 20:50

      And how do you suggest this should be handled? With that ridiculous statement you forgot to say - when you have everything, stop striking, stop complaining, start working, give excellent service, ensure you maintain and grow everything and not screw it up like you did with our hospitals, schools, and general public services. This is enough to drive any normal person crazy - they are incapable of running what has already been handed over to them, what the hell are they going to do with the rest?????

      Christelle - 2012-06-07 20:54

      Oh - my comment above is addressed to Vavi, not to you Maserati:-)

      Kevin - 2012-06-07 21:20

      You got to be kidding. How on earth could our "Blue Light" politicians live on such a paltry amount. I mean your'e talking about having to live on around R40 000 per month, get real. They cant get by on their present earnings, they are dipping into their Government credit cards to get by, as well as having to accept bribes and payoffs from suppliers to Government. Vavi is also crazy, if you nationalise every thing who is going to pay the bribes, foreigners but only when they want something. If you nationalise land and the farmers cant get crop loans, soon we will be like Zimbabwe having to receive food handouts from Oxfam and the like. I mean you cant get rich on stealing Oxfam food handouts. It must all be poorly thought out hot air, by an oxygen thief.

      Rob - 2012-06-07 21:26

      In principle a great idea, but first you will need to peg the bottom end at a reasonable minimum. What would that be? And let's not forget the recent announcement about the increase of R800k/month for the JHB municipal manager.

      Charles-Bronson - 2012-06-07 21:28

      We want free farms, free mines, we want free first class flights,free holidays, we want BMW's with blue lights, we want free houses in Sandton, free food, free schools, if we hold our hands out it must be fee. F@cking everything. That's called freedom?

      maseratifittipaldi - 2012-06-08 06:14

      Hey,Charles-Bronson,that is plain "dom". And it's free. So it must be freedom.

  • philschalkwyk - 2012-06-07 20:22

    Vavi should wind his neck in. He is doing more harm to the country than anyone believes. He should stick with union matters and stasy out of the government policies.

      Tsotsi-Baby - 2012-06-07 20:37

      Can you elaborate on the harm you are talking about?

      Tax - 2012-06-07 20:48

      Snotsi baby-penis Cosatu makes people unemployable.

      Christelle - 2012-06-07 20:53

      Tsotsi, I cannot speak for what Phil has to say to you, but I want to say something - do you realise that a country cannot maintain itself - it needs foreign investment - the harm he is causing in my view, is scaring the s$%t out of investors. And my friend, look at our neighbour, 95% unemployment, no food, no nothing - that is what happens when foreign investors withdraw.

      Tsotsi-Baby - 2012-06-07 20:57

      How are they opposed to employment?

      Kevin - 2012-06-07 21:28

      Tsotsi, he creates an enviroment wherein someone like me has reduced his workforce from 13 to 2. When the situation arises and I am able I will reduce my workforce to zero. By the way I deal with PAYE UIF and Workmans Compensation for a variety of small clients and am running down my manufacturing operation. My clients are all struggling with the useless Govt bureaucracy and disruptive unions, thats where I come in and assist them deal with it all and slowly reduce the workforce. I help them replace people with machines and skilled non unionised people.

      nigel.vanysendyk - 2012-06-08 07:55

      @Christelle, the fools supporting Mugabe said that they don't need foreign investment (i.e. the West), they said China would invest in Zim, & now China is screwing Zim, so where is the foreign investment in Zim now, huh, where.

  • Calvin Fhatuwani - 2012-06-07 20:26

    tell them vavi

      Kevin - 2012-06-07 21:34

      Tell them from the unemployment line! If you steal wealth it is soon dissipated. Real wealth comes from hard work (not work to rule hours), risk taking and investment. If you take away the incentive why would the entrepreneur work hard, invest and take risks?

      Bobby - 2012-06-08 09:03

      History has shown clearly: Capitalism results in the unequal distribution of wealth. Communism/Socialism on the other hand, results in the equal distribution of poverty.

  • Struan - 2012-06-07 20:28

    The freedom charter was used decades ago as a seed for a revolution. Wake up we had the revolution and the time for hard work and integrity is here yet the \leaders\ just aren't stepping up to the plate!

      rasthami.m1 - 2012-06-07 20:54

      What revolution are you referring to? Economically black africans arent liberated ,till the socio-econimic transformation giving an african child a well being whether academically or in the state of living is achieved aluta continua

      rasthami.m1 - 2012-06-07 20:54

      What revolution are you referring to? Economically black africans arent liberated ,till the socio-econimic transformation giving an african child a well being whether academically or in the state of living is achieved aluta continua

  • Juan - 2012-06-07 20:32

    Hmm the wealth of the country must be shared. An eutopian dream called communism. Time for these guys to get real, you will always have the haves and the have-nots, or just have-nots. The latter is when you have a Zimbabwe or a former Russia where everybody but the top government elite is starving

  • Tax - 2012-06-07 20:34

    Just another brainless parasite talking about a subject far beyond his primitive comprehension.

  • Tsotsi-Baby - 2012-06-07 20:36

    Nationalization is inevitable.In addition, Julius must return to save US. #Power to the people

      Christelle - 2012-06-07 20:57

      Please tell us how Nationalisation is going to fix the country?

      YrHonour - 2012-06-07 21:00

      you're a comedian seriously - or stupid ...please let it be comedian

      Tsotsi-Baby - 2012-06-07 21:03

      Government will be able to employ more people with reasonable salaries. #Power to the people

      Christelle - 2012-06-07 21:08

      How would the government be able to employ more people at reasonable salaries once everything has been nationalised? Is that HONESTLY what you have been taught to believe. Think for yourself man. To employ more people, you need to have the work to justify increasing your manpower. For that you need a greater output on product. Did they perhaps teach you how they anticipate doing that. You remind me of a person that told me she votes for the ANC because the are going to make things better - on asking how, she said she does not know, but they said they are going to make it better. C'mon Tsotsi, think man, think!

      Stewart Croucamp - 2012-06-07 21:15

      Tsotsi, you need an education. you are obviously not very bright!

      Kevin - 2012-06-07 21:39

      Not only is it not inevitable, it is a recipe for disaster. Julius cant even save himself, after all tax fraud is fraud and you cant blame your tax accountant, the law doesn't allow it. The Government gets its funds from taxes if there are no businesses and their wealthy owners to tax where will the revenue come from. Some above hoped you were a comedian, but ignorance and stupidity aren't funny.

      rudi.debeer.5 - 2012-06-07 21:50

      Great Tsotsi-B. Claiming land for the masses without repayment will in the first instance lead to bankruptcy for all South –African banks. If farmers can‘t pay back their loans. When farming changes from commercial to subsistence farming we will not be able to provide food at a decent price to the poor. Go and have a look what happens in countries where subsistence farming is prevalent. All of these countries needed food help during the past 15 years due to famine. If you nationalize mines, the JSE will have a total crash within a day(24 hours)because of all the money leaving SA. This will have a devastating effect on the rand . We will have to pay a lot of money for imported products like oil. Just think of the chaos if the petrol price rises to R50 per litre. Inflation will go through the roof.

      Tsietsi - 2012-06-07 22:11

      Do you comprehend Tsotsi?

      Juan - 2012-06-08 02:23

      @tsotsi idiot where is the money gonna come from to pay all these nice salaries. There won't be so many tax payers left to milk, so are you going with your begging bowls to the East and have the Chinese as your masters? From what I heard they don't treat African workers very well.

      nigel.vanysendyk - 2012-06-08 07:47

      you contradict yourself, you say nationalization & malema to the rescue, but thats the opposite to power to the people, that will end up in a failed state with a dictator ruling all you dumb supporters. Power to the people is , job creation, education, wealth creation, healthcare, the opposite to what you demand, wake up idiot!!!

      Keith - 2012-06-08 09:25


  • Stewart Croucamp - 2012-06-07 20:37

    It will be interesting to see how the West reacts to a foolish communist government in South Africa.

      Christelle - 2012-06-07 21:27

      You know how they will react - slowly withdraw investment! And with that (and we understand completely why they do it) help our government to cripple our country. So, whichever way you look at it, it is always the West to blame for the poverty in Africa (in the mind of Africa)

      daniel.malan3 - 2012-06-08 00:49

      I think they'll declare war, wipe us out and take our resources, since the majority of the continent sponges off the West anyways due to bad management and stupid idealist dreams

  • Carl - 2012-06-07 20:42

    Vavi, maybe you can help Syria.

  • Gaby - 2012-06-07 20:45

    If we really want radical change, we need jobs for the masses. We have all the mineral wealth to do it with. While we have been sleeping, the Chinese have quietly taken over the world. In order to manufacture sucessfully and compete globally, we are at the point where it makes little sense to put your production line anywhere else but in China. If we really want a radical change, we need Goverment to come up with a radical, twenty year plan on how we are going to industrialise. This requires huge infrastructure investment - with money that we have, not credit. We need port development, rail infrastructure & other cost effective systems to bring our product to market. That is of course Governments job. And that is wealth creation, not just changing the deck chairs.

      Christelle - 2012-06-07 21:00

      Gaby, now how on earth do you think you will get through to some of these guys with your educated response? This government could not plan 1 year ahead - how will they get a 20 year plan on the table. It's about today, not tomorrow.

      Gaby - 2012-06-07 21:12

      @Christelle, this is not rocket science. My son is learning about this in grade six. They compare what is happening in Mali to what is happening in Singapore. It it absolute basics.

      Christelle - 2012-06-07 21:29

      Gaby, read some of the viewpoints here.......Anybody who believes nationalisation will create jobs would never understand what you are trying to say. Sad, but that is what we are dealing with.

  • Gerald Jordaan - 2012-06-07 20:56

    I thought Vavi quite intelligent but his assertion that monopoly industries including banks should be transferred to the people is plain idiotic!! Nyrere nationalised the banks in TZ...what a f*ckup!! Bankrupt kaput f*cked in three easy lessons!!

  • Millos Mpofu - 2012-06-07 21:07

    JA die Boer kinders hulle bang as ons praat meet die Freedom Charter Hoekom omdat ons bestaan same hulle heirso en Suid Africa .Yes Vavi we shall share but don't forget that there those who will never share if I want the share like Julius and van Wyk because there those who I more equal than Africans

      rudi.debeer.5 - 2012-06-07 22:01

      Get an education.

  • Stlouis Heidtmann - 2012-06-07 21:08

    strike strike cripple economy retrench loss of jobs tsotsi idiot baby share of wealth no more west to give us an economy no more jobs poverty stricken like zim and remember you cant run to another county like zimes because you messed up the only one to run to TIA idiots

  • Stewart Croucamp - 2012-06-07 21:10

    I want China to rule South Africa and restrict each family to one child. It will stop this excessive breeding by the masses.

      daniel.malan3 - 2012-06-08 00:53

      uneducated people should not even have children because it is they who spread this disease of stupidity

  • crracker.crackerr - 2012-06-07 21:11

    Quite frankly, the workers will not trust Cosatu or the government with their money in banks. See the suspicions and conspiracy theories now take on a life of their own. We saw it in the 90's when people were told that there was a chance that the state would take over and conserve their pension funds. Forget it Cosatu.

  • Carl - 2012-06-07 21:12

    If Mugabe said to Vavi."Comrade you can have my Country". Do you think Vavi would take it? lol

      Stewart Croucamp - 2012-06-07 21:17

      Vavi only wants power for himself, like all communists.

  • Bzeng - 2012-06-07 21:12

    I get confused!! Is NUMSA

  • rudi.debeer.5 - 2012-06-07 21:12

    Bla bla bla bla. Another useless idea that can never work.

      YrHonour - 2012-06-07 21:31

      yip correct

  • Henk - 2012-06-07 21:30

    We are going to die of Hunger when they get the Freedom Charter!!!

  • Mboneni - 2012-06-07 21:32


      Tsietsi - 2012-06-07 21:58

      Well said Mboneni. They don't care about the unemployed, especially Cosatu. Why don't they allow the implementation of the wage subsidy for example?

      nigel.vanysendyk - 2012-06-08 07:50

      ewe Mboneni, Cosatu is killing jobs, they are not serving the people of SA, nor is the ANC, Maybe time to vote for the DA

  • Thabo - 2012-06-07 21:43

    \...banks shall be transferred to the ownership of the people as a whole,\the day I dig a hole in my bedroom and save money in it.

      rudi.debeer.5 - 2012-06-07 21:58

      Does this mean that all my debt will be termanated????? I don't understand the concept.

  • George - 2012-06-07 21:52

    Radical policies will keep unemployed completely unemployable. The government is not been efficient running government departments. How the hell are you going to run banks? Cosatu is hell bent on protecting its lazy, unskilled members and blocking opportunities for emerging educated workforce.

      Carl - 2012-06-07 22:14

      If this Government and it's alliances where told "you can have any country in Africa". Which one do you think they will take?(besides SA)

      daniel.malan3 - 2012-06-08 00:56

      maybe Nigeria, oil industry to nationalize

  • phumlani.veliti - 2012-06-07 22:24

    Radical demons or Headless Chickens?

  • kumbulani - 2012-06-07 22:30

    Welcome to the real world. Thats how Zim started and it would be interesting to see how SA gets to.

  • Thabo - 2012-06-07 22:34

    @ Stewart Croucamp.\r\n\r\nFollow this Demonic advice that was given by an ancestor in August 1985:\r\n \r\n\I am also sending a special request to all Afrikaaner mothers to double their birth rate.  It may be necessary too to set up a population boom industry by putting up centres where we employ and support fully White young men and women to produce children for the nation. We are also investigating the merit of uterus rentals as a possible means of speeding up the growth of our population through surrogate mothers\.

  • phumlani.veliti - 2012-06-07 22:51

    Are they receiving funds from George Soros too?

  • ThaboShakuNews24 - 2012-06-07 22:58

    Hope the NEC is listening!

  • TawwaTienie - 2012-06-07 23:42

    Mr Vavi found ALL corruption money from your leaders as well as top members of parliament , municipalities , etc. - then you found 80 million peoples dignity and create jobs for All South Africans

  • Bless Boswell - 2012-06-08 00:18

    So if the majority of SouthAfricans want to share in the wealth of the banks, they must be prepared to share in the debts as well. That is scary indeed. Bad debts in the banking sector runs into billions. I wouldn't want any part of it thank you!! They want to appropriate land too. Who is going to pay the bond on the land? Or does that just fall away? Sure as hell the land invaders won't pay it. And when they've destroyed the farm they'll move to the next one - like a swarm of locusts.

      Allan - 2012-06-08 08:09

      Bless - ANCYL members think that all white farms are paid for so they can "take them" and sell them and pocket the money. They don't understand that land grabs devalue all other properties so the farm they have taken is also worthless. Only think about today and no concept of things tomorrow.

  • anthony.hawke.7 - 2012-06-08 00:56

    And they all lived happily for ever after

  • Henri - 2012-06-08 06:45

    Wow !!, some of the people in this forum must be lacking a few brain cells... "confiscating farms will solve unemployment"? really? believe me, you'll remain unemployed, with more people hungry and suffering than ever before.. MOST of the so-called farms "grabbed" in Zimbabwe are now just unproductive pieces of land, producing nothing but MORE poverty... I hate to tell you, but you need skills to run agriculture and farming operations, you'll also need to pay the salaries of your workers, or are they being laid off by the new "farmer"?

  • ro.jhb.1 - 2012-06-08 08:19

    Hows this for radical - ban labour unions!

  • petr.valcik1 - 2012-06-08 08:44

    Nationalisation doesn't work. I was born in communist owned country where the government ownded everything. It failed for many reasons and so did almost all the other similar regimes. When everything is state owned - you remove the competition and the work force gets lazy and disinterested. It's almost like a soccer game without a score. I mean if a private company is struggling - they have to come up with a plan but if a government institution can't make it they ask the government for more money and in turn the government raises taxes or builds e-tolls amongst other things. If you think that nationalisation is the answer - just compare a state owned hospital to a private one.

  • brianmacza - 2012-06-08 10:43

    what an idiot

  • luyolo.c.nqakula - 2012-06-08 21:30

    We can no longer be in a predicament where we own the country but it is being run for us. The freedom charter is the doctrine in which the country must be governed. India,Brazil,Britain and China have nationalised key segments of their economies and this has been fruitful thus far. Let us follow suit and attract investment whether be it foreign or local because then can we tackle our socio-economic issues effectively once that is done and we start to progress to a greater extent will we achieve social cohesivness.

  • Titus Kekena - 2013-08-13 16:06

    u eat wat you have payed for

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