Vavi won't meet Mazibuko on wage subsidy

2012-03-13 14:21

Johannesburg - Cosatu general secretary Zwelinzima Vavi will not meet DA parliamentary leader Lindiwe Mazibuko to discuss a proposed youth wage subsidy, the union federation said on Tuesday.

"We see no benefit... in discussing these issues with the Democratic Alliance, with whom we have fundamental ideological differences on many issues," Congress of the SA Trade Unions spokesperson Patrick Craven said.

"The basis for these difference are rooted in the fact that while Cosatu represents the working class and the poor, the DA speaks for big business, the wealthy and the privileged."

On Friday, Mazibuko said she had written to Vavi asking for a meeting.

"These issues, among others, are viewed seriously by both Cosatu and the DA," she said.

Craven said Cosatu cared "more than anyone" about the levels of youth unemployment and that it had held talks with the government and businesses.

"That is why we have signed four accords with government and business, on basic education, skills development, the green economy and local procurement, all of which relate to job creation," he said.

"We shall be working hard to use these accords to create jobs."

  • Marion - 2012-03-13 14:27

    God forbid the DA may actually have some workable ideas to share on the subject!! Idealogical diffeences come before the wellbeing of the people.

      Willie - 2012-03-13 14:45

      But Vavi the ink is hardly dry you just said Cosatu represent workers from all kinds of backgrounds so why not meet the lady.Are you also chikening out like old Julius?

      Makatikamusona - 2012-03-13 14:48

      If they had any sound ideas then they must send the memorandum/plan to the president of the country for consideration and implementation. DA must just stop about these cheap tactics, Vavi is a comrade finish and klaar

      Ronald - 2012-03-13 15:18

      Marion, the reason for his refusal to meet with the DA is the embarrassing fact that an estimated 17 000 people per month are flocking to the Western Cape since the DA has taken over and improved...., well, almost everything. In typical childish fashion Cosatu put their ideological aims above the future of the people of SA. Are they so easily corruptable that the mere act of collaborating with the DA might taint or change their ideologies, or are they afraid that something positive might come out of it and in the process prevent SA from falling into anarchy. Vavi, it is an indisputable fact that people are turning into criminals to prevent themselves from dying of hunger. Your government has in as many words promised to seriously look at a youth wage subsidy without anything coming of it. Why not give the DA a chance, they have a good track record of delivering.

      Hermann - 2012-03-13 16:00

      @Makatika - Comrade? That is why nothing is working and everything is destructive.

      Joanne - 2012-03-13 18:46

      Put the workers of all parties above politics - people above ideology. The numbers tell us that this method just isn't working. A country cannot be led by people who don't know how to set their differences aside in a crisis and work shoulder-to-shoulder when it's needed.

  • Brigitte - 2012-03-13 14:28

    Vavi - one way to help youth unemployment would be to have fewer children - why are you not teaching and preaching about contraception! Then we would have enough in the kitty to give all a better education, quality of school facilities etc etc etc - but a youth subsidy did not work in the UK so I am not sure it would work here either.

      Bokfan - 2012-03-13 16:40

      From your statement I gather you are saying there's so little in the kitty cos there's too much in the p#ssie. Lady thats just rude.

      Kindness - 2012-03-13 19:43

      thats not Vavis job. Parenet should teach their kids that and also the community at large. you are missing the point here. people have right to give birth whenever they want.u missed the point exactly...

  • Pythagoras - 2012-03-13 14:29

    They support the working class and the poor but will not meet for subsidy talks? That is really contradictory! I wonder sometimes who Cosatu actually supports!

      Tshifhiwa - 2012-03-13 15:32

      They support ANC

      Mtshezi Yonk'insipho Iyawasha Mkhize - 2012-03-13 15:38

      Pythagoras they are staunch ANC members!!!!

  • Mark - 2012-03-13 14:32

    There certainly are "fundamental ideological differences" and they are mainly based on ethics.

      Glyn - 2012-03-13 14:51

      Cosatu has fundamental flaws is more accurate!

  • Marion - 2012-03-13 14:34

    I have quite a few young, black, South African fb friends from all political spheres. A significant portion of them are starting to/already do, favour the DA. Be careful what you are doing with the youth in SA ANC and COSATU. Be very careful.

      Jason - 2012-03-13 15:06

      no makatika, not mentality - stupidity!

      richard.hipkin - 2012-03-13 15:09

      @makatika, how many white friends do you have?

      Mtshezi Yonk'insipho Iyawasha Mkhize - 2012-03-13 15:09

      Marion where are these Black People, Stop fooling urself, DA will remain the opposition they can forget about ever eat that!

      Tshifhiwa - 2012-03-13 15:37

      @Jason I hate DA but I am not stupid, I hold Bsc in Computer Science (UCT) I am a SAN Storage Specialist (MTN). I don’t think one can be stupid just because they support ANC.

      Tshifhiwa - 2012-03-13 15:40

      Sorry I don’t hate them; I just feel they don’t speak for me or for my people.

      onlyjinjinthevillage - 2012-03-13 17:13

      @ Mtshezi have a rational answer and stop telling everyone to 'Eat That'.... sounds like a 4 year old. And from your picture Stop window shopping so

      Mtshezi Yonk'insipho Iyawasha Mkhize - 2012-03-13 17:21

      Hehehehehe, funny how u think that I care, and that ur ideas n those of DA matter unfortunately not in this country, DA is despised. Eat that....n oh as for my pic Eat it too!!!!

      Joanne - 2012-03-13 18:49

      The old regime also wouldn't co-operate with anyone, and judged everything and everyone according to their colour. They were happy to watch the whole country fail as long as they could stick to their own foolish prejudice - this is starting to sound very similar.

  • onlyjinjinthevillage - 2012-03-13 14:41

    Well why not? Is it because Daddy ANC wont like it. Seems like they would prefer to cut off their own noses to spite their faces... If Cosatu where there to 'Look' after the interests of the unemployed is it not logical to get as many view points as possible and 'Then' make a decision to either agree or not to agree. But to flatly refuse a meeting..Seems like there are many 'krokodiles' ala Botha that are stuck in a Time Warp... Think with your 'Brains' and not the 'clenched fist' stubborness!!! Bloody brainless idiots

  • Stephan - 2012-03-13 14:47

    Hey Vavi, I wish I could meet you in person and show you my meticulously drawn, detailed diagrams. Plus they are simple to understand, even for a dim-witted champagne communist like yourself. But here goes the written version: business provides work for the workers. They are mutually co-dependent. The issues of business one way or the other impact your workers. Regardless of who votes DA (amazing that psychic ability you have there, Vav!), business SHOULD be consulted and all parties and South Africans should join in to solve a serious problem - our wasted yoofs. If you were SO concerned about youth unemployment, why encourage children to strike on the streets at the expense of education (ie. THE ONLY WAY TO EMPOWER YOURSELF). No, sorry, Vav, Pattie - you guys better seriously consider taking some advice, even from "filthy capitalists", because on your own two lone braincells (Vav and Pattie) you ain't getting far...

  • Willie - 2012-03-13 14:48

    "...the DA speaks for big business, the wealthy and the privileged..." load of crap Vavi did you take lessons from Malema

      bakang.enele - 2012-03-13 15:02

      are u quoting Vavi or quoting Patrick Craven.

      Makatikamusona - 2012-03-13 15:09

      @bakang.enele don't worry about this Willie he obviously can't read or at least don't read to understand

      Mtshezi Yonk'insipho Iyawasha Mkhize - 2012-03-13 15:17

      Willie it seems u have no say in the affairs of this country deal with that....I bloody agents

      richard.hipkin - 2012-03-13 15:23

      A new troll is born.

      Chris - 2012-03-13 18:27

      Makatika and Mtshezi - apart for the subjective, race-based and unsubstantiated opinions you guys make, can you actually justify anything you say and so staunchly support with something credible or even remotely useful? Or are you guys those types that blindly follow without thinking, like lemmings to the sea? I've read all your comments here and its nothing but absolute verbal diarrhea, neither of you have made a single substantial point or remark. How utterly retarded do you need to be to blame an opposition party with a successful, proven track record for everything thats wrong in this country? Whose fault is it really? Be a man and admit when you are wrong!

      Makatikamusona - 2012-03-13 21:13

      @Chris I see you just made a random comments and it landed on the wrong article

  • Antipoaching - 2012-03-13 14:51

    Interesting to note that its Patrick Craven as COSATU spokesman, I wonder if the "no" came from Vavi or Craven. Craven is vitriolic in his dislike of the DA

  • Mtshezi Yonk'insipho Iyawasha Mkhize - 2012-03-13 15:07

    Hehehehehehhe, DA can go jump. Well done Vavi. N some opportunities were hoping he wd break away from the Alliance. Guy is a staunch ANC lest u forget. N like a lot of South Africans is totally opposed to White Rule n allowing Whites to have a say in the issues of this country. I've always said ur opinions don't matter. Eat that... N if ds country is dying leave as soon as u can, Hehehehehe! Oh thank u Vavi... Lindiwe shd go to the that too!

      onlyjinjinthevillage - 2012-03-13 15:10

      go back to school so you can make sense you fool...

      Mtshezi Yonk'insipho Iyawasha Mkhize - 2012-03-13 15:18

      Thank u I'll take ur advise but while at it, remember u have no say in the issues of this country!! Eat that...

      richard.hipkin - 2012-03-13 15:25

      Really? Hahahahaha!! You the fool Mtshezi, one word from us whites and the economy will collapse and you hate that we wield that much power still... does it eat at you? Does it burn your butt? Good.

      Mtshezi Yonk'insipho Iyawasha Mkhize - 2012-03-13 15:32

      Hehehehehehehe..... What a threat! M trebling as it is.... Ok the DA has a say and Vavi is the only one who doesnt know this!!!!!

      richard.hipkin - 2012-03-13 16:02

      See wasn't so bad....

      Willie - 2012-03-13 16:51

      I don't stoop like you .i have just realised that you cannot debate rationally. My advice to you is "do not shout improve your argument" those are the words from the wise man Bishop Tutu

      Joanne - 2012-03-13 18:51

      Mtshezi - you do know that this isn't a soccer match - we aren't supporting different teams and this isn't a game? You, me, Cosatu, the DA - we all stand or fall by whether our people can WORK and EARN. You have to wonder why anyone would sabotage an effort to make it better..

      Tony - 2012-03-13 20:46

      Contrary to popular opinion, COSATU has no say. e-tolling is an example. It is going ahead, regardless of what COSATU says. Cosatu leaders know that and have agreed to it behind the scenes but have to protest to keep face with their members.

  • karimesaks - 2012-03-13 15:09

    No Mr. Vavi!! This is so unfair. Please be reminded that as a labour organisation you should be accessible to all political parties! Please dont behave like Malema and start calling people names. Cosatu has more than enough memmbers who are not ANC or SACP

  • richard.hipkin - 2012-03-13 15:10

    The ANC and Cosatu are petrified of the DA because to engage the DA requires intelligence and skill and to actually have workable solutions to counter... They don't. And they know it. They know the DA will blow them right out the water, that their little cash cow called "the economy" will be exposed.

      Mtshezi Yonk'insipho Iyawasha Mkhize - 2012-03-13 15:14

      Nah the Da has no say... Hehehehe

      Stephan - 2012-03-13 15:21

      Sho, Mtshezi - you starting to sound desperate, dude. Don't stress, bra. Apartheid is not coming back, don't be scared, mfethu!

      richard.hipkin - 2012-03-13 15:26

      Mtshezi, denial is a bitch.. The DA are growing stronger and the ANC weaker and that must really make you tremble! Love it!!

  • motle2 - 2012-03-13 15:16

    I think Cosatu shouldnt be discriminatory on political affiliation if its to stay relent and unite the ppl os SA in future. If DA represents the class of ppl it claims it does. It's even important for them to collaborate because they are private sector employers.

  • Rina Kersten - 2012-03-13 15:39

    Vavi and Craven afraid to talk to a female? Could it be that she has more brain cells..

  • Warwick - 2012-03-13 15:49

    Vavi is to scared Mazibuko will make him look stupid with his old nowhere ideology.

  • Stephan - 2012-03-13 15:50

    Besides being the ANC's b!tch and unleashing anarchy on the country and its economy every two weeks, what are you actually good for? The ANC goes ahead with its fascist policies despite your whining, and unemployment actually increases. E-tolls will happen and you will return to your fancy house each day to lament the fate of the poor worker over a glass of cab sav. Pfft, losers!

  • Hermann - 2012-03-13 15:59

    What Vavi is saying is "I am a democrat, Mazibuko will have ideas different to me, so in democratic terms I don't want to talk to her. Only I am in step."

  • TaSaqz - 2012-03-13 16:08

    COSATU please, listen to Lindi and if you don't like what she says, you don't like it, end of the story. After 17 years, do you still rely on your own thoughts alone, even if there's no visible positive progress? I oppose greedy, free-market capitalism and I believe that through communication, we can avoid all these unpleasant things going on around us.

      onlyjinjinthevillage - 2012-03-13 17:17

      ....Well said Seganana, you deserve a Bells!

  • Nonku Butelezi - 2012-03-13 18:25

    I guess Vavi is just retaliating because the DA declined the invitation for last week's strike. I guess Vavi or COSATU has a right to just like DA had every right to whatever the reasons may be. It may seem petty but maybe that's why they feel that they can't work together.

      Joanne - 2012-03-13 18:55

      Makes sense, but it would be nice if they thought about the actual people now and then. Serving a nation, or a group of due-paying workers, means that pride's low down on the list of qualities required: wisdom, problem-solving, communication, negotiation, planning, accountability, stability and sacrifice are all much higher on that list.

  • ruben.maistry - 2012-03-13 19:51

    Wh ats wrong guys, afraid of the TEA GIRL?As a labour union you must look at the interests of your members and your country and remain apolitical.Afford the Lady an audience and thereafter decide.A poor move by COSATU.Disappointing.

  • maseratifittipaldi - 2012-03-13 21:15

    "The basis for these difference are rooted in the fact that... the DA speaks for big business, the wealthy and the privileged." So the DA represents ANC cadres? The sushi guys? I thought that the greater the differences, the more compelling reason to talk to each other. Is this not in part how Apartheid was overcome?

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