We can't be a welfare state, Zuma says

2011-11-23 22:32

Cape Town - The government cannot afford to indefinitely pay social grants to people who are not elderly and who have no physical defects, President Jacob Zuma said on Tuesday.

Zuma said at a business question-and-answer session in Cape Town that South African taxpayers should focus on developing the country rather than on feeding the poor.

"We cannot be a welfare state," Zuma said. "We cannot sustain a situation where social grants are growing all the time and think it can be a permanent feature."

He said the country was paying for the mistakes "of those who were there before".

"By creating a society which did not have equal opportunities, we disadvantaged a lot of people, mainly in education," Zuma said.

"We have people who are there, but they have no skills at all."

South Africa had to develop programmes to reach a stage where it reduced the number of people who received social grants and balanced it with those who were taxpayers.

"Let us educate our citizens so there are no people sitting there who are helpless."

Zuma said the country had to estimate at what point it could begin to reduce social grants.

"I am certain we will come to that point. No one will want to sustain this."

Taxpayers should develop the country "rather than feed the poor".

It could not be that people with bodies which had no defect "form part of the army of those who are in poverty".

"This cannot be sustained," Zuma said.

According to the National Treasury, the government spends 10.9% of its total budget on social grants, which support about 15.2 million South Africans.

The Treasury estimates that spending on social protection will rise from R160bn in 2012 to R182bn by 2014.

  • TamaraSays - 2011-11-23 22:44

    Translation: the ANC wants to steal more, now that we have the secrecy bill. So screw you poor folk. I seem to remember a little revolution, in France perhaps? Something about, let them eat cake? Watch your heads fat cats. You created the problem in the first place, by not focusing on education and entrepreneur development - now you can't backtrack.

      Seanred - 2011-11-24 08:00

      Social grants are hurting Zuma Ltd pockets. Oh, by the way SA is already a nanny state.

      procold2 - 2011-11-24 08:26

      i agree tamara,their stolen pension funds are not looking so hot and again the old gov is to blame what has the new gov built in 18yrs,wasted money on a few name changes but built anything or focused on education and smaal bussiness nothing zero ziltch

      ServaasD - 2011-11-24 09:09

      "With an Idea comes a Revolution" Carry on ANC.. You are sitting on a ticking time bomb...

      Jerhone - 2011-11-24 09:20

      why not we taxpayers support you lot in government and you don't work, or are you scared there's less money to steal if you give social grants, you fat pigs

      Amanda - 2011-11-24 09:41

      This is exactly why I left SA. You can't build a country by continuously blaming the past. I refuse to pay taxes to such a corrupt, autocratic government who use their people for votes only. Whites have paid over and over for all the past mistakes and they have left because they don't feel welcome nor safe. Zuma is losing millions in money and skills and he's panicking. Well done - your ANC has successfully destroyed the country, without the help of the whites. It's all on you now.

      alexander.lombard - 2011-11-24 10:56

      Amanda. Please do not come back and while you are at write off your South-African past and do not associate yourself with us. For whatever government is doing wrong we as responsible people black and white is creating a future for the country. I have no problem with people who leave, hell I'd like to go explore the world, but to blame the people or a race for everything is pathetic. TOGETHER WE WILL RISE AS SOUTH AFRICA. And yes I am not to blame for apartheid but it happened and it did disadvantage people.

      ServaasD - 2011-11-24 11:23

      @Alexander: Well, well ,well.. Go tell that to the kids that had to watch how cowards raped their mother. If it was not for my family, I would not have returned to this sh*thole the ANC f up since 94. Nope SA would not have seen me ever again. Thanks to the ANC I am ashamed of calling myself South African. Do you even know what a joke SA is outside SA? I think you should travel and then we will see if you are still so patriotic. Tutu with his racist bs even made it onto a french news channel when I was in Senegal (Dakar) to give you an idea. Ag and Malema, lets not even go there. Btw, how can you be so patriotic with things like AA and all that cr*p that blatantly discriminate against you because you are white? White South Africans died in vane in Angola, but heck you are off to the races with your patriotism.

      Mvikeli - 2011-11-24 16:00

      @Peter I have been affected by violent crime, but I still agree with alexander.lombard, what is the point of harping on about why you left? You've moved on, so be it, let us also move this forward.

  • Adam - 2011-11-23 22:45

    I gather these “quote” were taken verbatim from Zuma’s mouth. If so, I am very scared. I am not expecting a pearl of wisdom here, just a ray of light and I am just not feeling it.

      PB - 2011-11-24 07:50

      No S* Shirlock. Once again the "previous regime" gets the blame. You don't think your invited billions of brothers from the rest of Africa that you have invited to come and spunge off the South African taxpayer at the expence of our 'previously disadvantaged' billions have anything to do with the situation, now do you JZ?

  • Francois - 2011-11-23 22:46

    This is amazing Jacob! Why is your ANC led government ranked as one of the poorest in getting results for the massive amounts of money spent on education? Is it not because you need Vavi and he needs SADTU? How long do you need to get the education siutation right? "Teachers should be in the classes teaching" - does that sound familiar? But your minister of Education will rather attend your rigged trial than to see to her province's education. Did you say: "No Angie, you should not come, you must look after the children"? No, you thanked her. How many people were arrested for statutory rape by Cele's mighty police force? When an underage girl gets pregnant, she must have been raped, according to our laws. You can get by by saying I am sorry on national TV, but what example did you set. IF you don't want taxpayers to feed the poor and you want them to build the country, stop welfare payments, the NHI, child grants and develop the country. It is amazing how you, the one who always call for his machine gun, always have someone to blame. Why don't you start to call for a scapegoat? Maybe you have one, Jake WHITE?

      Vagav - 2011-11-24 11:28

      He he. I think you have to read between the lines. He's saying the "taxpayers" need to fix the problem becuase government is no longer interested in doing that (as though they ever were). In other words: Pay your taxes for us ANC folk to live lavish life-styles, and then go and fix the mess we in the ANC made of this country over the last 17 years as well. Thanks!

  • velastardust - 2011-11-23 22:46

    Rich statement coming from the man himself. How about putting a stop to corruption and spending the money on education and social development? Remember the wasted R26.4b?

      Monique - 2011-11-24 08:10

      probably want to use the money to fund their party next year! I wonder how many poor souls will still vote for them trusting and believing the lies and promises that they will be taken care of?

      alexander.lombard - 2011-11-24 11:00

      Idiots Zuma has done more for corruption than his predecesors. Back in the day with Thabo we did not hear of corruption as much becouse no one even investigated it. Zuma is taking on the corruptors without having to start a rebelion that woukld be couterproductive as it will get him fired. That said fruitless spending must stop.

      Alan - 2011-11-24 11:08

      You mean he's actually done more corruption.

      Priyal - 2011-11-24 12:55

      Agree with u Alex. Jacob is no saint but corruption has been rife within the SA government....even before Mandela's time......yes, Apartheid too

      Alan - 2011-11-24 13:20

      So that justifies what they are doing now?

      Anthony - 2011-11-24 14:39

      Alexander .lombard. you are a young fool. read about Zumas corruption sheet before you say shuch Crap boy.Rather shut your mouth, you are showing your ignorance

  • glen.e.huysamer - 2011-11-23 23:15

    In 1994 when the now ANC government took over from the Nats it was reported that South Africa had 4million provisional tax payers, (These were mainly if not all-white) Since then it was proudly reported by ZARS that it had grown it's provisional tax base to 4Million. This is quite a sorry state, even though ZARS is one of the most effective organs of the how come this 'un-growth'.....? Let us take into account that of the four million original tax payers, one million of our provisional tax base....the strongest slice of the pie, packed up and left South Africa....the famous 'chicken run'. And that this has now been replaced by a new tax paying body which we now term the 'Black Diamonds' or maybe the new middle class. It is a sorry state mister President that in the last twenty years the ANC government has only been able to achieve such a low empowerment figure. It has only sliced away the pie that already excited and patched it haphazardly together again, it has not grown our economy one bit, South Africans as a whole are now poorer that ever before. We have people living on the same amount of money they were earning pre 1994 with prices sky rocketing through the roof. You turn against the will of the people with this Info-bill nonsense. Your lot spent billions of tax payers money on an arms deal our country did not need, only to line your own pockets. The ANC has failed only because its members fail to believe in themselves and choose the 'stotsi' way.

      Chumscrubber1 - 2011-11-24 06:56

      Actually, if you consider VAT, even the poorest of the poor are paying 14% of what they earn in tax. Anyone spending money pays tax - so the black tax contribution must be pretty significant. All the more reason for black people to be miffed at the way the ANC elite steal so much of it.

      Henk - 2011-11-24 07:37

      Oi Lonne, correction. POLICE/ARMY killing your people? Were YOUR people the terrorists who killed & maimed innocent civilians with bombs? Was it YOUR people who tried to introduce Communism in SA? Well, then I would support ANY government who would kill my enemies. But I know that you are probably brainwashed to believe the pre-'94 government was waging war against it's own citizens. Think for yourself and you will see that is patently untrue.

      Henri - 2011-11-24 07:46

      O lonne, pass me that chip man, i love salt and vinegar

      Gungets - 2011-11-24 08:08

      @Henk - hard to tell how old you are, but if you were in the armed forces in the 80's then you are just blind if you did not know that WE were deployed in the townships in SA. That was my turning point - when I left SA for a time because I was not willing to do what was being asked of me. Perhaps you were "lucky" and only got deployed to Namibia, or were a cook, or admin or something similar. But if you think the security forces were not deplyed against black and brown South African's then you had your eyes and ears tight shut. Simple.

      Raymond - 2011-11-24 10:18

      Shame Lonne Ranger, no wonder you only have 2 friends. Lose some of that anger, Pal.

      Kala - 2011-11-24 11:37

      @Chumscrubber1 - A lot of the poor don't even pay the 14%VAT as most of their purchasers are done at informal traders who don't pay VAT either.

      Gungets - 2011-11-24 12:22

      @Kala - how do the informal traders not pay VAT?. They sell consumer goods bought from wholesalers who will charge them VAT, this can only be claimed back on a formal VAT invoice.

      Darryl - 2011-11-24 12:29

      Just a quick comment: there are only 4.5 million whites in South Africa (including infants, children, students, elderly, unemployed), and so there cannot be 4 million white tax payers, in fact it's probably closer to 2.5 million. Secondly, there are more than 6 million registered tax payers, not 4 million, this excludes 2 million companies that also pay tax. It therefore stands to reason that the majority of tax payers are, in fact, not white.

      Kala - 2011-11-24 16:32

      @Gungets - Do the informal traders submit VAT returns on their income? Yet they are assumed to have charged the purchaser VAT. So in effect, those purchasing from them are not paying VAT.

      Chumscrubber1 - 2011-11-25 05:55

      A fair point Kala - but I think the big supermarket chains probably still take 95% of "poor" black money. Also, visit the banks, supermarkets, government offices, do you see many white faces besides the odd manager - most (by far) formally employed people in this country are black, and they will be paying PAYE as well as VAT.

  • Peter - 2011-11-23 23:15

    What a load of BS. I had money, a viable business, but thanks to BEE have had to see it all disappear to SARS, and when it was all gone they still took from me. One thing for sure is I will not be one of the 10.9% - I will get by without it. Why don't you do something worthwhile like reduce the birthrate for a start. Why are you are still troubled by the mistakes "of those who were there before"?. Your party got rid of most of the professional people in this country, your people still go on strike, burn down schools & buildings, and trash the streets. We could have integrated - black and white, worked together, passed our skills on to one another. No Sir, it's too late - I suggest that The ANC step down and let a 1st world party take over. You all are set for life, take it and retire gracefully 'cause you don't know what you're doing.

      Adam - 2011-11-24 00:08

      My family had a third generation successful business, the largest in its segment in the Eastern Cape from the early 70's. It grew and split into 3 other sub businesses. We had black directors, did the BEE the works. Slowly, as the economy went down the drain, so did the business. My father now has an office one 15th the size, 2 machines instead of 50. Staff dwindled down from 157 to 4. Nothing to do with bad management at all. Just policies that suck, taxes, the list is endless. The third generation siblings now have successful jobs overseas and we are growing and adding value to another economy. A pitiful shame, thanks ANC.

      mariuskowie - 2011-11-24 06:51

      I am a partner in an IT business. As a white owned business, to submit tenders to, for example the IEC is senseless. The "Auction Scoring" is absolutely racially biased and is as follows: PDI% - 80 Woman% - 15 Disabled% - 4 Amount% - 1 Location% - 0 Now, tell me that white owned business are not getting excluded on racial grounds!

      K0BUSL - 2011-11-24 08:14

      @Rebel Without a Cause, As I constantly deal with tenders and still get awarded Government Contracts, I must say your breakdown seems very incorrect. Tenders are awarded according to 2 criteria categories of 80/20 or 90/10 preference splits based on their value. The first figure 80 or 90 is the evaluation of price (lowest to spec) getting the full value and others getting marks based on their cost as a % of the lowest e.g. using the 90/10 structure:- Lowest bid to Spec is R10 = 90, second lowest is R 11 = 81 and the highest price R15 = 45 points. The remaining 10 Points are split for Preference and this according to previous legislation (PPPFA of 2000) was 4 for HDI, 2 Women, 1 Handicapped, 2 SMME and 1 for Locality (may have varied slightly from tender to tender). With the new Act published this year the Points are based on your BBBEE Scorecard from 1-10. So yes, a Black Broad Based Economic Empowered company will get preference over the White owned business and based on the pricing offered may or may not win the bid, but to say it is a futile excercise to participate is so wrong as without a ticket you cannot win the LOTTO. Business and Business practices are changing and if you do not change you will not continue to reap the benefits of ownership.

      mariuskowie - 2011-11-24 08:28

      @K0BUSL The breakdown is taken from the e-mails sent from "eProcurement Vota Quotes: New Auction Details" I have uploaded a screen capture to show the raw information. Now tell me that white business is not getting excluded because of race!

      mariuskowie - 2011-11-24 08:41

      "Business and Business practices are changing and if you do not change you will not continue to reap the benefits of ownership." With that statement you are implying that my business practices are not conforming to the current requirements. We submit our audited empowerment certificate and the required tax clearance certificate with every tender that conforms to the current BBBEE requirements. Many requests for tenders deviate and the IEC's procurement system is just one example of blatant racism. My business is fully compliant to the current requirements. The only change that I can possibly implement is to change my skin colour. The current BBBEE requirements is tantamount to getting blood out of a rock. The revenge driven empowerment laws is doing nothing to actually empower the supposed to be target group. All it is achieving is the slow strangulation of white owned business. Once the business is dead there are no BEE owned business to take it's place. Unemployment figures are destined to skyrocket as the effects of BBBEE are felt more and more.

  • fragtion - 2011-11-23 23:17

    Jacob how about rather than spending millions of rands on your private plane holiday with all your wives, you should instead be helping the very people you're talking about with that money ? Is it not pretty obvious to the peanut inside your huge head? Come on now. Get a grip on reality my man. You're letting your own race down by doing this pretending to care crap, and then hiding behind a bill that you know everybody resents. Keep pushing the line of absurdity further, you're digging the cave under the ANC and it's all going to imminently come collapsing down beautifully very soon

  • Impi - 2011-11-23 23:27

    "He said the country was paying for the mistakes "of those who were there before". "By creating a society which did not have equal opportunities, we disadvantaged a lot of people, mainly in education," Zuma said. Interesting. Coming from somebody that eats prickly pears without wearing a glove. Those that were disadvantaged according to him by not being skilled are all dead now. My parents are an example of this. I on the other hand and so many of my age, were left on the streets to fend for ourselves while the government did nothing else but enrich themselves. Where were you Mr. Zuma when I had to wash the white people's cars every afternoon to pay my school fees and get myself through university? Did you come and offer me a free ride at university or buy my food? I started university 9 years after your government took over. So my hunger and poverty had nothing to do with other people but your government. You should rather not mention the word education until you have taken the trouble to see for yourself what it takes to try and get one in our country. Maybe the time has come for you to rather not speak on behalf of us that live and that have lived in the informal settlements. Your problem is you have now managed to alienate most of us that have had to get where we got on our own without any help from you and your corrupt government. For once take responsibility for your own actions. Stop blaming others for your failures.

      TamaraSays - 2011-11-23 23:42

      Impi, you are the man. Screw the past. Focus on what's happening now, because everything that comes out of the liars mouths is BS.

      Herman - 2011-11-24 06:28

      Pity shower head will never hear, nor have the mind to comprehend your statement Impi. Pity.

      Paul - 2011-11-24 08:13

      Impi for president.

      antoinette.jordaan - 2011-11-24 08:52

      You're not by chance wiling to start a new political party are you? What this country really needs are NEW political parties, with NO affiliation to the past. You seem to have a clear view of real about it? :)

      George - 2011-11-24 09:38

      10 out of 10 Realy you are top of your class Not a joke but am serious, WELL DON and said

      NrGx - 2011-11-24 11:08

      @Impi - I must tip my hat and bow to you my friend. Through all of your hardships, YOU managed to put yourself through school. If only your story could be told to the millions who just WANT, DEMAND, and TAKE what isnt theirs. Im sure we would be in a better place if the majority had your mindset from the beginning.

      MastersVoice - 2011-11-24 11:24

      Great comment Impi. Could not have said it better myself.

  • Will - 2011-11-23 23:35

    You have a welfare State already Zuma!!! Just open your eyes to the realities around you when you have the time to be in your own Country and not travelling abroad to ask for more investments to line your pockets! Your lame laws are contributing to the dilemma because the focus on the problems instead of the causes!

      Impi - 2011-11-24 00:20

      @Will. There will be no more money after this Bill. Soon sanction will come from the UN and International community.

  • Joe - 2011-11-23 23:35

    I guess the budget's a bit tight with the R400 million ANC centenary party coming up

      Thandi - 2011-11-24 07:42

      And the Anarchy-Nepotism-Corruption continues.

  • Tshivhombela Fhatuwani - 2011-11-23 23:37

    These leaders are making SA a trial and error state. Blade would say; let's scrap out tendering system, mbalula would say; let's scrap out quota system, Manuel would say; let's demilitarise the police and the list is endless. Delaying tactics, alright. We have been raising this issues, how can you give grant to someone who is not contributing to our economy? Don't build RDP houses for people, empower them and let them build or buy theirs. A welfare state is not sustainable. I'm a graduate and I don't need their RDP death trap, I need a decent job. I don't eat history and impractical policies. It is simple, a child of a social grant receiver will bear a child and be a social grant receiver. This will be transferred from generation to generation. They won't scrap out this SG as it's their election trump card.

      Impi - 2011-11-23 23:56

      The problem is while they play with our lives, we have to find our own way. My life has been no easier with this government in power than it was for the generations before me who lived under the rule of the previous dictators. Which brings me once again to the Information Bill. Do any of them know how to switch on a computer? Because if they did, then they would have known that a bill of this nature won't hold in a new and electronically liberated world. If I were to live in London or New York, as a South African, I can write and disclose anything about them and within seconds I can share it with my friends on Facebook or blog and how will this new bill keep their secrets a secret? Maybe they should appoint a Minister Of Technology (A real person with knowledge of the electronic media) before they try and push any harder with the ideas of their neighbour, another senile old man living in the past.

      Tshivhombela Fhatuwani - 2011-11-24 00:15

      @ Impi, this government has humiliated me in a manner that i don't think even the generation before me has ever been subjected to this humiliation. Coming to the issue of Protection of Information Bill, the brain child of Polokwane's Media Tribunal. Media is a threat to their looting activities so they have to shut that down knowing that in SA people still rely on hard copies than electronic copies. Time will come when young people will be unified by poverty on social networks. Look at how leaders steal and still earn their full salaries or redeloyed as ambassadors without any legal action.

      Impi - 2011-11-24 00:30

      @Tshivhombela. I agree Brother. While they were looting the likes of you and I had to survive on nothing and get somewhere on nothing. There isn't a lawn I haven't moved in Houghton while at university. Even the lawns of our own fat cats. Want to know a secret? Our own people would pay me less than the whites did and listen to this one. A certain high up famous man's wife told me to use the tap to drink water when I worked in their garden. I couldn't get a glass like a human being. Our own should shut up about the whites. They treat us rubbish from the settlements worse than the whites do. Ask me I washed both their cars and moved both their lawns. I know.

      Impi - 2011-11-24 00:36

      Correction...should read mowed.

      Impi - 2011-11-24 00:51

      @Tshivhombela. I had to laugh about your comment on the RDP house issue. Some have been waiting almost 20 years for that shoe box. They keep voting them in, in the hopes that they will eventually get this death trap as you so appropriately called it, while the counsellors are selling the houses to foreigners and pocketing the money. I'm very proud of my own shoe box today, because I am paying it off myself. I will always remember the glorious night I had sleeping on my new Seally Posturpedic mattress. What a change from the shack floor it was. I'm never going back to a shack again, but at the same time I will not hesitate taking my education abroad, like so many whites have, if they don't get their act together.

      TaniaSandraSteyn - 2011-11-24 01:02

      There is nothing worse than being betrayed by one's own. Slowly but surely SA will wake up. We have a builder who lives in an RDP house, and is complaining because he has a leak...let's be serious now - he has adequate knowledge to fix the leak himself - somewhere the message became twisted. He should be an entrepeneur fixing other people's houses, and earning a good salary. Let me state it boldly - the money is spent at the shebeen. How many rich people in SA made their initial cash from alcohol?

      Impi - 2011-11-24 02:04

      @Tania. Tell the builder we all have our own destiny in our own hands. He would probably not understand the concept, but that isn't your problem. As you say he has the tools to better his life, but the tavern is so much nicer than working. Don't worry about his choice, as long as it isn't yours. You heard Zuma say, he also is now sick of the poor. Don't you think a far better system would have been to reward learners with a grant once they finish Grade 12 to further their studies in stead of encouraging them to create another generation of hopeless cases and get paid R250 per child conceived without protection? We won't go into the rate HIV/Aids is still being transmitted after 99% of us had seen a parent or both parents lie dying being but a mere bag of bones.

      Eduard - 2011-11-24 09:21

      @Impi & Tshivhombela - Respect my Brothers! may you flourish in your careers and make a success of your life - cause with people like you we can build this country to be the rainbow nation it was meant to be!

      Silvana - 2011-11-24 15:27

      @Tshivhombela and Impi. I have nothing but admiration for you gentlemen, together with Vusi and Vuyo. Irrespective of what your political affiliations are, one can see that you are intelligent and free thinking. It is more people (lots more) that this country needs. I take my hat off to you.

  • Kevin - 2011-11-23 23:44

    Zuma this is in fact better than a welfare state. It is a SELF HELP STATE. Any ANC crony - help yourself to what ever you can. ANC has legalized it yesterday.

  • mozartatplay - 2011-11-23 23:47

    You have GOT to be kidding me! Things would have looked very different if we had an efficient, good government.... it is just sooo easy to blame the past and not take responsibility for the present.

  • Impi - 2011-11-24 01:50

    President Zuma, before I go to bed, I need to give you a sobering message. You speak of 15.2 million beneficiaries on your welfare system. The new tune you are singing, be it a disguised message to win the tax paying voters support, or just a sudden realisation that your policies are not sustainable, will result in you being burned alive in that big mansion on the hill in Pretoria. Like Gaddafi, they will crucify you and the other 200 that voted for your ill conceived out dated Information Bill. The masses will all join Julius Malema and the rest of us that had to find our own way will be watching your dethroning with joy. You can never erase from my mind the freezing nights I had to sleep alone in a shack being an orphan because your government didn't teach my parents about the dangers of HIV/Aids, which changed my life forever. Every night I had to go to bed still a child then, without food in my tummy, will be the legacy you have left me in my head about your government. So while your die hard supporters spend their days blaming an old historic system for their misfortune, I am blaming you for every night since 1995 when I had to go to bed without food as a child. The saddest of all of this, is the fact that it has all happened in Nelson Mandela's lifetime. You have managed to undo all the good he stood for and yes granted you had some help from your predecessor, it will be you and your laughable policies that will go down in history books as the end of the ANC.

      John - 2011-11-24 03:41

      Impi and Tshivhombela, I must compliment both of you for your comments, if only the rest of the population would accomplish what you have,an education, there would not be a necessity for a brain drain and our country would soar. Fat boy Zuma, beware of a South African Spring!!!!!

      Marius Koen - 2011-11-24 05:57

      Well said Impi

      Albert - 2011-11-24 07:35

      Impi please send your comment to BEN TUROK so he can read it out in parlenment Let`s see if black faces can turn red.

      Thandi - 2011-11-24 07:49

      Impi & Tshivhombela - you are an inspiration to us all.

      Antoinette - 2011-11-24 09:02

      My heart and soul goes out to you - I am sooo sorry for what you endured as a child. what I dont understand is that they say I'm one of the "priviledged few to benefit from the previous regime" - please come and show me my benefits - because I live in an average home hocked to the roof to be able to live in something decent - and have a bond to show for it. My education (dipl. in HR) Impi was eeked out studyng over the weekends and at night AFTER working a 12-13 hrs shift getting paid a minimum wage AND which I paid for myself NEVER ONCE did the "goverment" help me with anything 'cause if they did I would have had to wait 35-40 yrs to be bale to buy a car. I started working for an existence pay of R75.00 pm at the age of 17. My parents did not have any money for higher education after school. In fact I dropped out of school in Standard 7 to help the parents. So Pretty Please MR Zuma if I could Id rather not pay taxes to grease your money grabbing buddies gravy train. give me my tax money and I'll go and help my fellow SA's with what they need. we are doing it in any case. It is absolutely pathetic to see all the peeps in parlimant who have records. I understand why you had to put the media bill in (you have to start shutting the media up cause they are actually giving us figures of what you are stealing from us all. the millions could easily build a business and pay the starving people a wage. Just remember the money cow can only give so much.

  • raymond.kok3 - 2011-11-24 03:05

    cut back on spending all that money on your wifes for once grow some hair on your chest and send them packing , we will savw at least enough to build another so much needed school in the eastern cape

  • Christo Van Zyl - 2011-11-24 03:26

    Ya you can't pay grants but you can change Pretoria's name why don't just change South Africa's name. Yeah that's a better idea

  • Chaapo - 2011-11-24 03:46

    How to turn the tap off will be problematic when people have been socialized into believing they can spend a lifetime on government handouts. There is proverb that if you raise your puppy on whey, the moment you stop the practice it will bite you. That will be the repercussion for Zuma et al because they chose to do this as part of electioneering and now see the country cannot sustain it. But I do concur that while he and his large family of multiple wives and accompanying children live on the largesse of the state, it is hypocritical to chastise others. To adopt from Aesop's fable, father crab can never persuade children to walk straight while he himself walks sideways.

  • See - 2011-11-24 03:57

    Yeah Zuma, we could have (and have) told you so from the beginning. Is the penny beginning to drop for you, or are you just repeating somebody else's wisdom? If you have to dabble in socialism, make it worth for someone NOT to have children, instead of the other way around.

  • Deeteem - 2011-11-24 04:54

    BUT you brag about this at election time !!!!!!!

  • Orapeleng Molosiwa - 2011-11-24 05:21

    Here we go again,Jay-Zee,drops another album...

  • Mark - 2011-11-24 05:37

    Ineptocracy (in-ep-toc’-ra-cy) - a system of government where the least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a diminishing number of producers.

  • marina.poniatowska - 2011-11-24 05:52

    "According to the National Treasury, the government spends 10.9% of its total budget on social grants, which support about 15.2 million South Africans." How sure are they its only South Africans?

      Eugene Smith - 2011-11-24 06:15

      What about all the money and resources they utilize to operate refugee reception centres, allowing the foreigners to apply for whatever it is they apply for?

      thupanamaina - 2011-11-24 10:16

      It is very sad to see foreigners battling to feed themselves, with no income still falling pregnant. Their children are South Africans by birth. I wonder if they, too, get grants.

  • Marius Koen - 2011-11-24 06:10

    Zuma said the country had to estimate at what point it could begin to reduce social grants. Please set an example and stop having children and extra wives!

      janet.pretorius1 - 2011-11-24 09:25

      .. reduce social grants - increase tax on the 5M who are working. Doesn't take a genius to figure out the agenda these incompetent schmucks have

  • Eugene Smith - 2011-11-24 06:11

    Die man praat darem 'n klomp nonsens of liewer die idiote wat die toesprake skryf moet terug gaan skool toe. Ons taxpayers betaal jou en die 400 ander idiote on die land te ontwikkel. Jy het geen reg om daai verantwoordelikheid op ons af te skuif nie.

  • Trevor - 2011-11-24 06:17

    Zuma said the EXACT same thing over a year ago....this idiot is like a broken record, sings the same old song year in year out yet budegt speech time, we hear about even BIGGER who are you trying to bullsh$#$%t?

  • braamc - 2011-11-24 06:18

    Got a surprise for you, we are already a welfare state, 50% of population on some sort of grant, 12 year old's with there breeding habits, etc etc. Mr Zuma, if you and government steal less and money spend wisely not on ars deals etc, you will find a society with less needs to survive. Give up those lavish lifestyles and the rot of corruption. Simply not who you are ANC - filthy corrupt thieves!

  • Mabel - 2011-11-24 06:22

    Jacob Zuma should be ashamed of himself for what he says. What he should really be saying is that welfare must be cut back so that him and his government have more to steal. He doesn't give a damn about education. Who is he fooling?

  • Chumscrubber1 - 2011-11-24 06:23

    100% with Zuma on this one. Amazing how money meant to be for the children is merely seen as an excuse not to work. These kids futures are doomed with parents like this. Same problem exists in the UK, a large part of their society have become a useless bunch of leaches. Its important to care for the poor, but it always seems to end up been abused by the lazy.

  • reine.marais - 2011-11-24 06:25

    If the reputed R238 million worth of fraud had not happened, and if the abuse of tax payer's money through fraud were to stop, there would be more money available to pay social grants.

  • seymour.howe - 2011-11-24 06:28

    OMG Zuma! Wake up to the fact that we're one of the largest welfare states in the world and this has created an atmosphere where, given the choice, the 15 million people would rather NOT work as the easiest route. Start taking this away and you'll have civil unrest like you've never seen before. As for paying for the mistakes of those that were here before - who's going to be paying for your mistakes of the last 18 years? A downward spiral towards the re-Africanisation of this beautiful Country is gaining momentum and it will be upon us all much sooner than we all believe.

  • Burtfred - 2011-11-24 06:32

    Go on then, Zuma. Do away with social grants - I dare you to! Your trashy bunch of ANC gangsters wouldn't last another month in power. what has happened in Egypt, Tunisia, Libya, Yemen, Syria, will soon happen here. The ANC only exists because of the false promises you make to the masses. Take away the promises and handouts and your party is toast.

  • Breinlekkasie - 2011-11-24 06:39

    So 30% of South Africa's population are already "retired". Zuma is damn right because if this problem is not addressed soon South Africa will face the same problems Italy and Greece are facing.

  • Chumscrubber1 - 2011-11-24 06:53

    Create a climate for us to "develop" the economy, and a lot more people will be employed. I'm a farmer and have no little incentive to expand and develop my farm. It is under land claim, who knows how long I'll still own it - so its pointless doing more than what I have to right now. The ANC's populist methods are also teaching people to be lazy and demanding, instead of developing pride. I employ a lot of temps and there does not seem a great will to work, lots of absenteism - and these are unemployed people! All the farms that have been "taken back" by their rightful owners are gutted amd unproductive. Where are all the people that used to work on these farms, how are they living now? If you're going to take from us, at least make it worthwhile - currently its all just a lose lose situation, and you still scream you want the land from us. What for, revenge? You're certainly not using it for anything besides building material now. The ANC has created this culture, at least Zuma seems to acknowledge they are headed down a path of self destruction currently. Difficult to fix now though, the people are already poisoned.

  • Karmah - 2011-11-24 07:01

    That's rich coming from a guy who fathered 21 kids! Practice what you preach Mr showerhead!

  • Lynn - 2011-11-24 07:09

    This is Incredible. We are where we are because our leaders set a poor example. A president with how many wives and children being supported by our ta. Julius Malema tells the ignorant to breed. The education system is in a sorry state. It is time everyone stops feeling sorry for themselves and starts working. Scrap BEE and let everyone have a fair chance to get a job.

  • Munchk1n - 2011-11-24 07:15

    During apartheid, the government still provided school's to everyone. Back then education was even free. So there was equal opportunity to those who wanted to learn. But obviously, the "disadvantaged" people preferred to burn down those schools instead of educating themselves. Now they suffer because they cannot get a job other than as a miner/street sweeper/tea lady/gardener/maid, or anything that does not require them to read or write. So basically the government is turning their back on the majority of their voters by not providing the "previously disadvantaged" people grants. You know that I was brought up by a single mother with a low paying job, and we were so poor that we had to get donated school clothes, we didn't have furniture and lived in a tiny flat in Bellavista. But despite all that, I went to school, and I did well, and when I left school, I got a tertiary education off a student loan. And now I have a very good job, and managed to support my mother in her later years. So don't think that we were advantaged. Also please stop breeding like flies if you cannot afford to, How are you going to feed your ten children off your peace working job. How are they going to get an education now that you have to pay school fees, how are those ten children going to get jobs, then those ten children will have another 10 children and the same will happen.

      Seanred - 2011-11-24 08:42

      I take my hat off to you.

      Jerhone - 2011-11-24 10:58

      it's a pity this (zombie)government has no brains if you instituted a policy of one child per family, every couple that gets married will recieve two estates one from each family when the parents die, the next generation will recieve even more and so on, families would become super rich the only drawback is it will be difficult to get people to become garbagemen and such, because everyone will be rich and would not want to work, it,s just a dream of mine it could never happen

      Mvikeli - 2011-11-24 16:24

      @munchk1n, you can't really look at the "burning schools" in isolation. What were they to do? Fight apartheid or sit in class?

  • Derk - 2011-11-24 07:15

    we can't be a welfare state!!!!!,Zoomhead just to let you know we are and will always be a welfare state

  • Albert - 2011-11-24 07:30

    Taxpayers should develop the country "rather than feed the poor". Should rather read"feeding the politicians" Soccer stadiums,armaments,blatent stealing,We could have done it all Stop blaming the previous government,they were streets better than you lot off gangsters.

  • Missionman - 2011-11-24 07:37

    Whislt I agree that we cannot afford to support a third of the population on grants when only a relative are funding goverment via taxes the goverment needs to start managing it's funds received from the tax payer and stop all wastefull expenditure as well as the cash drain on its resources due to corruption etc. Yet again goverment wants to take away from the man in the street and the less fortunate just to bolster its coffirs. This will just lead to a greater waste of money by goverment.

  • Ockie - 2011-11-24 07:37

    The problem is job creation. People will not claim social grants if there were enough jobs. Look at reports of teenage pregnancy in our country. The families force their teenage daughters to become pregnant to claim grants.

  • Bobo - 2011-11-24 07:41

    @Phuti : You just branded yourself as a RACIST on News 24. Go look in a mirror...You are still free to leave the country ....

  • Guy - 2011-11-24 07:42

    "By creating a society which did not have equal opportunities, we disadvantaged a lot of people, mainly in education," Zuma said." The problem with this statement is that the kids matriculating now were not even born during apartheid. The government has had 20 years to "fix" education, but now SA kids rank in the worlds lowest regarding basic education skills. This means that the government has gone backwards, all by itself, with now help from apartheid.

  • malcolm - 2011-11-24 07:45

    In laymens terms, what President Zuma is actually saying is that there are only 4 million tax payers. These are the same tax payers who paid tax in the apartheid era. The amount of money they are paying cannot be both stolen by the elite ANC government officcials, as well as be used for the poor. Either the poor have to lose out, or the ANC have to lose out. Jacob Zuma is just stating in a subtle way that him and his mates dont want to share the tax payers money anymore with the poor.

      Paul - 2011-11-24 08:19

      Just to comment here. There have been 'official' comments in the past that SA has only 5 million taxpayers.

  • malcolm - 2011-11-24 07:54

    During Trevor Manuels stint as Minister of Finance, he made amazing inroads into the almost foolproof collection of tax funds. Pity the thieving crook did nothing about how it was wasted. A man with a Magoos bomber size chip on his shoulder, like many people of his type.

      Albert - 2011-11-24 08:03

      IT`S TIME TO TAKE TO THE STREETS.moaning about our situation is going nowhere.Let`s have an INDABA amongs all the paries not affiliated to the cANCer party.

  • Winston - 2011-11-24 07:58

    It is just so unbelievable that in this day and age, you have this man as a president. It would be ok if he was representing only his illiterate uneducated people however nothing could be further from the truth. He also represents the highly educated white doctor from sandton etc. Thats how the world percieves the fallacy of Democracy. ie If he is the leader then the majority voted for him. what a sick joke, what a lie. Well the majority certainly got what they wanted. I dont see no way out of this abyss, the only way is down and the deeper you go the darker it gets.sorry for the doom and gloom but thank you mr president

  • Gary - 2011-11-24 08:04

    The ANC government employees are all morally handicapped and they all get paid.

  • CarlS - 2011-11-24 08:07

    But Zumatello: Vote ANC and get everything FREE! A house, a car, a washing machine, a fried chicken, a t-shirt! Does that mean the uneducated masses should stop voting ANC?

      Paul - 2011-11-24 08:23

      I wonder if the ANC ever bought shares in KFC South Africa???

  • Barefoot - 2011-11-24 08:10

    Honestly some people's comments i don't understand the pres admits to mistakes made which you have been pointing all the time and he wants to change it, and you still complain? what do you want exactly? stop arguing just for arguing pls.

      Alan - 2011-11-24 11:50

      Agree with you, but offering lip service without action does not give a solution.

  • Lauren Walters - 2011-11-24 08:21

    The biggest social grant taxpayers are funding,is tat of government and ANC members,so tat they can live extravagant lifestyles. Mr. President should rather focus on that point,cause i would much rather spend my money on feeding the poor,than on paying for car rentals for his wives,weddings or bathroom renovations for people that don't mean or do a thing for this country and its people's development!

  • Paul - 2011-11-24 08:22

    I seems from all the comments on News24 of late, that many South Africans from all walks of life are fed-up, angry and ready for revolt. We're in for interesting times as this ANC led government begins to chew on itself from inside out.