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Who next after 'martyr' Gaddafi, ANCYL asks

2011-10-21 22:17

Johannesburg - The ANC Youth League saluted slain Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi on Friday as an anti-imperialist martyr and wanted to know who would be next.

"Brother Leader was ruthlessly killed by rebels armed by Nato forces, who invaded Libya because of its natural resources," ANCYL spokesperson Floyd Shivambu said in a statement.

The statement came after pictures of Gaddafi covered in blood were broadcast globally on Thursday.

He was reportedly shot dead near Sirte in Libya while hiding in a concrete pipe.

Shivambu said Gaddafi had resisted imperialist domination of the African continent and never agreed to the draining of natural resources from Africa, appreciating that they should be used to benefit the people of Africa.

The fact that he was killed in combat was an "inspiration to many freedom fighters across the continent and the world", Shivambu said.

"Like Colonel Gaddafi, as economic freedom fighters we will fight to the bitter end and [are] ready to pay the highest price for the retaining of South Africa and Africa’s natural resources to the rightful owners," he said.

The league was ready to fight to protect and defend the sovereignty of "our countries", to defend political freedom and de-colonisation.

Shivambu said the struggle for economic freedom and liberation would never be easy, because imperialist agents would infiltrate the oppressed and exploited people and portray anti-imperialist fighters as enemies of the people.

The struggle for economic freedom would not be easy and there would be betrayals like that of Gaddafi.

The only appropriate send off for Gaddafi was to recommit to the struggle for total economic freedom "in our lifetime" said Shivambu

"The question we should ask is who is next? Rest in Peace Brother Leader!"

Comments
  • Fuf - 2011-10-21 22:21

    Well we'll have to speculate. Maybe Mugabe?

      Fred - 2011-10-21 22:44

      What about Floyd? Hey Floyd, get into a concrete pipe and let's see what happens !!!! Maybe JuJu will also get into the pipe.

      Christo - 2011-10-21 23:39

      In 1969, Gaddafi created Revolutionary committees to keep tight control over internal dissent.Ten to twenty percent of Libyans worked as informants for these committees. Surveillance took place inthe government, in factories, and in the education sector.People who formed a political party were executed, and talking about politics with foreigners was punishable by up to 3 years in jail.Arbitrary arrests were common and Libyans were hesitant to speak with foreigners.The government conducted executions and mutilations of political opponents in public and broadcast recordings of the proceedings on statetelevision. Dissent was illegal under Law 75 of 1973, which denied freedom of expression.In 2010, Libya'spress was rated as 160th out of 178 nations in the Press Freedom Index by Reporters Without Borders.During the 1970s, Libya executed members of the Islamist fundamentalist Hizb-ut Tahrir faction,and Gaddafi often personally presided over the executions.Libya faced internal opposition during the 1980s because of its highly unpopular war with Chad. Numerous young men cut off a fingertip to avoid conscription at the time.From time to time Gaddafi responded to external opposition with violence.

      Christo - 2011-10-21 23:40

      Between 1980 and 1987, Gaddafi employed his network of diplomats and recruits to assassinate at least 25 critics living abroad.His revolutionary committees called for the assassination of Libyan dissidents living abroad in April 1980, sending Libyan hit squads abroad to murder them. On 26 April 1980 Gaddafi set a deadline of 11 June 1980 for dissidents to return home or be "in the hands of the revolutionary committees".Gaddafi stated explicitly in 1982 that "It is the Libyan people's responsibility to liquidate such scums who are distorting Libya's image abroad."Libyan agents have assassinated dissidents in the United States,Europe, and the Middle East.

      Christo - 2011-10-21 23:46

      Shivambu said Gaddafi had resisted imperialist domination of the African continent and never agreed to the draining of natural resources from Africa, appreciating that they should be used to benefit the people of Africa." Really?

      Christo - 2011-10-22 00:10

      Libya enjoys large natural resources, but the high gross domestic product was concentrated on Gaddafi's family and his elites, who amassed vast fortunes. Most of the business enterprises were controlled by Gaddafi and his family. Meanwhile, a large section of the population lives in poverty. One of the worst situations is in the eastern parts of the country When the rising international oil prices began to raise Gaddafi's revenues in the 1970s, Gaddafi spent much of the revenues on arms purchases and on sponsoring his political projects abroad.Gaddafi's relatives adopted lavish lifestyles, including luxurious homes, Hollywood film investments and private parties with American pop stars.

      marco.tomaso - 2011-10-22 00:57

      I am all for the West and Western democratic values if I have to choose between Gaddafi or the ANC and the greater good of my country South Africa.I don't always agree with what NATO does and how it police the World,but if I have to choose between what this Floyd Shivambu preaches and Western democracy then I choose NATO anytime,any place,anywhere over a stupid Youth League ass****.

      Nick - 2011-10-22 07:09

      maduana shouldn't you go climb something you seem to have no problem to live in an imperialist country gaddafi was a modern day pol pot and deserved what he got floyd asks who's next hmmm there's a couple mickey mouse terrorist agents here that needs some fixing

      Thandiwe - 2011-10-22 12:04

      The ANCYL are idiots - and make me ashamed of being South African. Gaddafi was evil, and it was Libyans NOT "imperials" who killed him. Get rid of Malema - he is such a hateful man. The DA have a great idea on how to give former homelands to black people who co-operatively own the land. I hate you Malema - you are the reason I cancelled my ANC membership last year and lent my vote to the DA in May.

      Thandiwe - 2011-10-22 12:06

      @Nerio - you are an idiot. The only imperialists are the Chinese - stop pretending that there are any in South AFrica. We are all economically free to buy shares, farms, and set up businesses...

      Thandi - 2011-10-22 12:39

      There is quite a queue waiting their turn. I would arrange them in the order: - our favourite lobotomised gibbon, fatboy jack. - bob the breaker - the evil cow - floyd sh*tface - showerhead

      Gareth - 2011-10-22 16:37

      Bryce Lawrence?

      Servaas - 2011-10-22 17:35

      @All the "African" South African's: You blame the west and whites in particular for everything that goes wrong. If you hate the west so much, I suggest smash the computer typing your BS on (Made and developed by the west), go back to your roots, trade your car for a donkey (yes, cars also invented by evil white people form the west, as well as the wheel), burn you WESTERN clothes, get back in those silly little cow hide skins, burn your house down and get back in your mud hut! Oh, and btw, it is the west that is currently FEEDING your STARVING AFRICAN brothers, so please, when SA hit's the point where there is no food, thanks to idiots like Zuma and Malema (nationalization and land grabs) please do not beg the west for food, because that is most likely what you clowns will be doing.. Begging the WEST for FOOD!!!!!!!

      marco.tomaso - 2011-10-22 17:55

      @Christo Here is another take on what life was once like living under Gaddafi's Lybia. Under Gaddafi's Rule Libyans got free medical treatment,free education where better students were supported to study abroad.Gaddafi also subsidized the price of cars,the average life expectancy of a Libyan in 2009 was 77 years which was one less than an American.Retail and wholesale trading operations were called "people's supermarkets" where Libyans could purchase whatever they needed at low prices.In the 1980's Libyans enjoyed much improved housing and education,comprehensive social welfare services,and general standards of health that were among the highest in Africa.The most popular achievement of the Gaddafi regime was its Great Man-Made River or(GMMR)project which brought water to the desert by building the largest and most expensive irrigation project in history at $33 billion.Even more than oil,water is crucial to life in Libya.The GMMR provides 70 percent of the population with water for drinking and irrigation,pumping it from Libya’s vast underground Nubian Sandstone Aquifer System in the south to populated coastal areas 4,000 kilometers to the north. The West however are committed to the “Washington consensus”,with its emphasis on privatization of public enterprises,elimination of subsidies so that prices are set by the free market,the reduction of taxes and public services all sacred economic doctrines that Gaddafi did not accord with when he was in power.

      ktheron2 - 2011-10-23 13:49

      Mr. neRio.Maduana, the "imperialists" won't "fall" in your lifetime; of that, I am 110% sure! Go cry on your Brother Leader's grave.

      Stephan - 2011-10-24 08:59

      @Servaas, Amazing how you only read the things that align with your view of the world. On this particular article, I counted at least 3 "African" South Africans who spoke out against the ANCYL. Stop putting people in racial boxes. "The blacks are like this, the whites re like this.. etc" I am Afrikaans and white, but I am nothing like you, although we share a culture, language and race, Just like Thandiwe is not like Malema, or Zille is like Marthinus Kortbroek. Attack the individual that you disagree with, but leave the groupling out of it, because that just shows your ignorance about the human condition.

  • Angelo - 2011-10-21 22:27

    NEXT IS OUR DICTATOR NEXT DOOR GUESS/

      Albert - 2011-10-22 09:01

      Flooi.You should watch the Libyan people now.They have rid themselves of their obstical,and now they are going to work hard to rebuild their country.From 94 your people have been sitting in front of their shacks waiting for just about everything, but for free.And you and Mallie,the one-eyed in the land of the blind has taken advantage of these lazy people with your empty promisses.Now this is how it is going to pan out:You will rile up these coward followers of yours to attack a farm.The useless police will probably assist you.You will probably command from the back like cowards like you do,but should you be in front,that will be the end of you.Nationalising the mines you need engineers to run it,which you will never have.You have not even developed a wheel barrow or a bicycle yet.All you have is the gift of the gab,which ghadafi was very good at.

  • Roland - 2011-10-21 22:38

    Hopefully Malema.

  • Gammat - 2011-10-21 22:41

    Floyd, your opinion isn't taken serious tata.

      colin.dovey - 2011-10-21 23:20

      I'd rather listen to Pink Floyd - much better harmony - something the ANCYL do not bring to SA with their grating sounds of coconuts

  • Ryan - 2011-10-21 22:43

    The ANCYL are like 3 year olds, they say and do stupid things for a reaction, don't give them one.

      Gerald - 2011-10-24 10:55

      Please do not insult my Granddaughter. She has more sense nad brains than the whole ANCYL. She actually will share her sweets not like Malema and his wife Floyd who take eberything that they can and give nothing but B?LLSH?T back

  • Gammat - 2011-10-21 22:44

    The economic freedom cannot come from the ANCYL or you Floyd or Malema, you should lead by example but you cheat like pro's.

  • Koos - 2011-10-21 22:52

    Floyd - Hopefully nobody will go next. Trust that we can get leaders who will lead that we can "build better communities by working together". Is that not the ANC's motto? It was on various election posters with the president's face. Can that be upheld? The majority of Libyans does not agree with you. Do you believe in the will of the majority? If you do - and therefor condone a democracy - please tell Mugabe he has lost the past two elections and must go. Any conflicting interests Floyd? Makes you think. So do not make any stupid satements. I bow to your superior ignorance.

  • Bill - 2011-10-21 22:54

    Why do you ask ANCYL? Worried about something perhaps..?

  • linda.l.mndayi - 2011-10-21 22:55

    Hear Hear. Once in a while am filled with hope

  • Burtfred - 2011-10-21 22:56

    Floyd, maybe you and your racist ranting bud, Julius are next. No normal, decent person would miss you obnoxious lads.

  • Terence - 2011-10-21 23:01

    Floyd: Your brother leader was killed by his own people armed (maybe) by outsiders. Your own revolution was armed by ousiders (fact). What is the diferance? A thug is a thug is a thug, the world is better without the likes of Gadaffi. Sometimes it takes a very long time but right does prevale. Julius should be watching and worrying!!

  • Paul - 2011-10-21 23:04

    unreal comment !!!! a despot that killed thousands over the years and embezzled billions from his country is praised by the ANCYL !!! - I thought Iv heard it all.I was wrong !

  • Blip - 2011-10-21 23:05

    The next despot to die is already in the pipeline.

      Paul - 2011-10-21 23:08

      4sure...ol Bob our next door neighbour..

  • Paulo 'Cappy' Marques - 2011-10-21 23:09

    The Ancyl comments just keep on getting better... Lol ... Keep going Floyd and your fat friend you okes should be the next line up for bafunny bafunny... Lol

      Paul - 2011-10-21 23:11

      LOL Ditto Paulo !!

  • skywalker10701 - 2011-10-21 23:11

    What a little ar*#ehole. He was one of the most corrupt "leaders" on the continent.

      Bill - 2011-10-22 13:32

      2nd most corrupt..!

  • Helmut - 2011-10-21 23:19

    It will be you....

  • desmond.nair - 2011-10-21 23:23

    Floyd needs an English lesson on the meaning of a martyr!

      skywalker10701 - 2011-10-21 23:26

      Amen to that.

  • Joseph - 2011-10-21 23:38

    Iran will be next,Americans are already cooking reasons for attacking her.

      Leon - 2011-10-22 05:43

      josef can you tell me how many barrels of oil afghanistan produced per day

      Colin - 2011-10-22 10:13

      If nato had to be consistent then zim north korea and syria would be next and although everyone is glad gadaffi is gone mugabe is proof that america and nato only intervenes if there is oil

  • Maz - 2011-10-21 23:50

    Well at least this is absolute proof of what the ANCL strive for. Now we just have to wait and see how the spindoctors of the ANC will go in overdrive with damage control.

  • Grant - 2011-10-21 23:51

    "Who will be next?" Mugabe, Juju... the list is not exhaustive.

      Juan - 2011-10-22 02:38

      yeah and not necessarily in that order

  • ttshabalala - 2011-10-21 23:59

    Brother Leader? whoaa whoaaa whoaaaaa!!! I really think the ANCYL should do stand-up comedy. You guys....you're so funny.

      Vusi - 2011-10-22 00:14

      Brilliant! They should get Tannie Evita to perform with them because then maybe they might draw an audience. Now the only audience they have are the South African media.

  • Grant - 2011-10-22 00:03

    The ANCYL asks, "Who's next?" "therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee. ..." John Donne.

  • Dan - 2011-10-22 00:05

    Typical YNCYL - just shows you who and what they are - rubbish!!!!

  • selvan.pillay2 - 2011-10-22 00:16

    Only an idiot like you can call gaddafi a matyr.All of you in the ancyl should suffer the same fate as gaddafi.

  • Mark - 2011-10-22 00:29

    you ANCYL people are so stupid its scary

      Grant - 2011-10-22 02:48

      Mark, you must be new to SA if you've only just found out ;-)

  • fabrice.bellerose - 2011-10-22 00:31

    Floyd sounds stupid in most opinions on twit but he voiced what a lot think about the greedy privileged inc our gov acting in denial vs inequalities esp in SA. Floyd like most, lacks of knowhow to solve current issues, surely bad Gaddafi e.g. expressing his frustration. Seems like he’s giving a kinda warning in a far2 zealous way but we should think carefully too. It's by time to workit out altogether a new humane socioeco system more efficient for all or like its going 2pop

  • Wouter - 2011-10-22 00:36

    mmmm

  • Ash.Crews - 2011-10-22 00:43

    who is next? hopefully idionts and despots like Malema.....

  • Nikki Bodenstein - 2011-10-22 01:08

    What an ignorant & disgusting speech! What kind of mentality supports an evil monster like Gaddafi? We can't afford to run this country properly much less be part of any war or some political cause! This is what is governing our country? And yet they get voted back into power every election! Just shows you what the majority intelligence level is in this country! These people will run this country into the ground!

      Vusi - 2011-10-22 02:39

      Don't despair Nikki. Malema and his circus are a creation of the media. 10 years from now a whole new generation of educated people will emerge and rule. These Sweetie Pies will be washing your car and trimming the edges of your lawn, because that is all they are qualified to be doing.

      caili.bennett - 2011-10-22 05:21

      Vusi I LOVE the way you think!

      gary.dasilva - 2011-10-22 14:28

      @ Vusi - VUSI FOR PRESIDENT

  • seymour.howe - 2011-10-22 01:12

    Wikileaks just posted the latest Hit List from the C.I.A. Top Secret Files. Mugabe Malema Shivambu Zuma Winnie Bart Simpson

      Robert - 2011-10-22 06:05

      poor Bart!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      Grant - 2011-10-22 08:50

      Bart Simpson??? Eat my shorts Seymour ;-)

      Theprodigy - 2011-10-22 11:19

      add Tokyo Sexwale to the list

      seymour.howe - 2011-10-22 13:45

      @Robert and Grant - It's the CIA - they say he's a really bad influence on the 40-60 age group!

  • Grant - 2011-10-22 01:24

    Gaddafi needed to die but not in the barbaric way he did. I'm disgusted with the way the British press have gloated over the photos of him lying dead with his face covered in blood. What next? BTW it wasn't that long ago (2004/) when Tony Blair visited Libya and said words to the effect that 'the past was the past and we need to now move forward'. It's amasing what a country and its leaders get away with when they've got oil. I'm convinced that if SA had a lot of oil reserves, the west would not have complained about apartheid. As for Mandela at the time of the Rivonia trial the British would have said, "Well, you know what we did to Guy Fawkes and Lord Haw-Haw".

      Yar - 2011-10-22 09:29

      "Gaddafi needed to die but not in the barbaric way he did. " @Grunt Oh yes he did. This is true justice. How many similar deaths was he responsible for?.

      Grant - 2011-10-22 09:50

      Yar boet but do two wrongs make right?

      Yar - 2011-10-22 09:53

      This time they did. I believe they shot him twice.

      Theprodigy - 2011-10-22 14:31

      Its not a perfect world, when you oppress your people for 40 years, kill innocent people blowing planes up, murder your own people (remember the burnt skeletons in the hanger)..then don't expect anyone to show you compassion, if someone lives by the sword & then dies by the sword there should be no sympathy for them, no matter how they die.

  • Wayne - 2011-10-22 01:55

    Floyd must go for history lessons.

      Silvana - 2011-10-22 06:24

      Won't help Wayne. They don't come in comic book form.

      Wayne - 2011-10-22 09:58

      If Floyd knew his history he would have noted that for years Colonel Gaddafi was regarded a bastion of stability for the region by the West. But this does not distract from the reality that for a long period Gaddafi’s Libya was also classed among the ‘rogue states’ and even bombed by the USA. Western policy towards Gaddafi vacillated between extreme hostility (bombing, sanctions) and courting him as he became more cooperative (e.g. over the Pan-Am crash) and over the War against Terrorism, and the energy crisis. President Barrack Obama and Senator John McCain met with Colonel Gaddafi in 2009, at which time no objections were raised concerning Gaddafi’s regime or his personal conduct, despite the fact that the Gaddafi regime was often criticised in ‘Western circles’, even by critics such as Noam Chomsky. At the same time the Wikileaks cables show that Gaddafi’s authoritarianism and human rights abuses were condemned by U.S. and other Western diplomats – but this was a case where, despite this clash with their values, realist considerations (oil, geopolitics, controlling migration), prevailed.Gaddafi was just as much as playing the geopolitcal game as any other actor was. Does this make him a hero? Who does he think allowed him to rule for 42 years in a oil rich country. Take a second Floyd and think... the people that removed him now.

  • Adriana - 2011-10-22 05:33

    Sjoe! I noticed that the Gadaffis shared Libya's wealth exactly the same way as the ANYL intends to share South Africa's. They learn't how from their mentors Muammar and Uncle Bob next door.

  • See - 2011-10-22 05:52

    This can only mean bad news for Mugabe, Malema and Lawrence.

  • Jakes1973 - 2011-10-22 05:53

    Is the ANCYL living in the same world as the rest of us or are they smoking some serious "natural resource" from Durban? Gadaffi was and always will be a terrorist. Seems to me the ANCYL are as well.

  • Hermann - 2011-10-22 05:55

    Funny how those who were too young to participate in any struggle are the great fighters of the day for a cause they do not understand in any manner. Shivambu even forgets that the imperialists are the inventors of all the modern day luxuries he enjoys today.

      Albert - 2011-10-22 11:28

      It is so funny.Everytime i see the word STRUGGLE i think of WORMS.

  • africanwolf - 2011-10-22 05:58

    In our age and time , this will be the end of everyone who oppress people. we live in a free world, and dictatorships are a thing of the past. economic freedom is building businesses, encouraging investments, creating jobs, and not taking from one and giving to the other (nationalisation). if they try it here, there will be a big civil war, and the country will divide, rich and educated on one side and poor and uneducated on the other. with many dead innocent people in the process. people with a free spirit of doing business , will refuse to live in a state, where they can not work for themselves, and will not give away what they worked hard for. I guess they will fight for it. this is not Zimbabwe, SA is different.

  • Dale - 2011-10-22 06:01

    floyd shivambu is a stupid animal and never speaks any sense on any matter!!

  • Silvana - 2011-10-22 06:06

    LOL! What a load of rhetoric BS! Mr Shivambu, do you even know where Lybia is? He didn't die a martyr. A martyr stands his ground irrespective of the consequences. He was on the run. That's called cowardice. And the concrete pipe he was found in was in fact a sewer.You are indeed Brothers. Tell us what is this economic freedom struggle that you are talking about? The freedom to rob the oppressed masses to fund your extravagant lifestyles? Sushi parties, Blue Label whisky, Champagne (French of course)

  • marina.poniatowska - 2011-10-22 06:36

    Hopefully Malema

  • Jose Pereira - 2011-10-22 06:36

    It's about time the ANC remove their label from these outspoken nitwits. Let them operate as a separate party without that name and no one will pay attention to them anymore.

  • Kevin - 2011-10-22 06:38

    ancyl ,you are a bunch of thugs. This disgusting tyrant kills thousandsof people,blew up an aeroplane , had women and children killed, women raped and you salute him.Is this what the ancyl thugs have become? This is low,even for the ancyl middle aged ars#s

  • Charles - 2011-10-22 06:42

    Just confirmation of how uninformed the morons in the youth league are. I suppose poltics requires that a viewpont is made that is contrary. However in this case describing a psycopathic megolamaniac mass murderer as a martyr is a political blunder.It suggests that Gaddafi's behaviour is what the League aspires to. Floyd you and your little clutch of cretins should spend at least 5 more minutes thinking before you make embarrasing statements.

  • Niekie - 2011-10-22 06:56

    Hopefully malema or floyd!

      Alex Staniland - 2011-10-22 07:00

      Hehe, good one

  • philip.bromley - 2011-10-22 07:00

    Clearly ANCYL has no interest in the people, only like Mugabe in lining their own pockets at the expense of the people. He States Gaddaffi "never agreed to the draining of natural resources from Africa" He clearly did, but for his own pocket. Who builds a city with a wall around it for themselves. Where is the benefit to the people. Where did the money come from, the west.. So many inconsistencies in the ANCYL claims ..... as usual

  • Susan - 2011-10-22 07:19

    Gaddafi was repressing his own people for his own gain. Just shows you how ingnorant the ANCYL is, they are showing there mentality once again! For a so-called 'free' country, Libyans were more repressed than Africans were during the Apartheid regime! Gaddafi's death is regrettable, he should have faced an international court instead - but it was his choice to go out like that - he was offered the opportunity to give himself up, but never did!

  • SNG62 - 2011-10-22 07:23

    Who next indeed - look in a mirror, perhaps?

  • Heather - 2011-10-22 07:27

    Hopefully your leader.

  • Carlos - 2011-10-22 07:35

    Eh Eh Eh, Floyd. Who's next, you ask? If Zimbabweans weren't here by the million begging for work, perhaps you know who. And then, Zim has no oil, the spring of Gaddaffi's riches. Of course the West wants it, to make things work, yes, work, the word you abhor. But SA has some gold left, and other things. You and other demagogues are vying for control, so look already for a concrete pipe and stand in line....

  • jensbirger.giebelmann - 2011-10-22 07:35

    It is better to be silent and thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt. - Mark Twain