Xingwana says sorry to Afrikaner men

2013-02-27 22:14

Johannesburg - Minister of Women, Children and People with Disabilities Lulu Xingwana on Wednesday apologised for her comments about Afrikaner men.

"It has become clear to me that my comments may have offended some members of our community.

"I would, accordingly, like to retract these remarks and apologise unconditionally to them," she said.

Xingwana told the Australian Broadcasting Corporation that young Afrikaner men were raised to believe they owned women and children.

"Young Afrikaner men are brought up in the Calvinist religion believing that they own a woman, they own a child, they own everything and therefore they can take that life because they own it," she said during the interview aired on Monday.

"We also have cultural differences as well in our own communities where we have women who are forced into marriage and we are dealing with all those issues."

Xingwana was being interviewed following the arrest of paralympian Oscar Pistorius after the fatal shooting of his girlfriend Reeva Steenkamp on 14 February.

"Through my comments, I sought to convey the message that, as a country we have emerged from a very violent past and that some tend to use cultural and religious beliefs to justify gender inequality and abuse," she said.

Earlier, the Afrikanerbond said Xingwana had proven beyond doubt she was not fit to hold office in a constitutional democracy.

The Christian Democratic Party called for President Jacob Zuma to fire her.

"Many non-Afrikaners, black and white, are members of Calvinist churches and her latest statement could be considered as religious intolerance," party spokesperson Rev Theunis Botha said.

  • Erna Westdyk - 2013-02-27 22:21

    Is it really as easy as saying 'sorry'? She obviously meant it.

      Gunner ZN - 2013-02-27 22:30

      But the actual discussion should be addressing the problem that does exist

      rian.jagger.3 - 2013-02-28 00:47

      At first I thought she's off her rocker... Then I thought about it in hind site. Many churches teach their people that the wife should "submit" under the "authority" of her husband. Sad to see how far this gets taken sometimes and how distorted the concept becomes. Far from how the bible meant it. I've seen it in churches like Shofar were the wife just always says that she submits under her husband. They won't dare to disagree with them. In a sense she has a point... But a don't agree that she said it gives them the "right" to take a life... But she did say sorry. Hope she thinks twice next time...

      rocco.dewet.3 - 2013-02-28 02:58

      Jagger, to hold Afrikaners up as a typical example of a patriachal society is ridiculous. The Bible has been translated into virtually all languages, not just Afrikaans. And Afrikaners are a small minority of people that may or may not interpret the Bible in a conservative way. The entire Third World is not exactly a bastion of women's rights. And when is the last time you read the Koran? Just like our misguided Minister, you are barking up the wrong tree. Ek ken baie tannies waarvoor ek baie bang is.

      henk63 - 2013-02-28 04:06

      Rian, any man who act as "boss" is stupid. Those days are long gone, and this statement from a minister shows her lack of understanding and knowledge. Her apology is not accepted, she revealed her thoughts and they are not nice. Angus Buchan preaches that men are the head of the household, but he never said men should rule with an iron fist.

  • Tshivhombela Fhatuwani - 2013-02-27 22:22

    Taxpayers money should be intoxicating!

  • lawrence.michau - 2013-02-27 22:24

    As usual they don't think

  • Jonathan Bronkhorst - 2013-02-27 22:24

    She should keep her mouth shut,she can't be very intelligent making statements like that!

      Sarah - 2013-02-27 23:22

      Sandra - they're great in bed and even tolaterate miserable mothers-in law....

      hondbyt - 2013-02-27 23:25

      Haha Sandra, you English folk are a hypocritical lot, please do look up where the saying "rule of thumb" comes from and get some perspective on your heritage.

      Ronee Robinson - 2013-02-27 23:27

      And another thing Sandra Rennie. When I lived in England I had to encounter many of your ilk, steeped in their monolingual ignorant racism. Because they are too stupid to read our poetry, our literature, listen to classical music, they assume we do not have it, I attended a school in South Africa founded by an Afrikaner man, President Steynb, after the english atrocities (for which they have never apologised) of the Boer war, to create an Afrikaner woman that would stand as strong as a rock. That was 1907. That school produced the first female advocate and first female judge of appeal in this country, long before affirmative action. As late as 2010 a prominent English private school in Sandton had to be taken to the Human Rights Commission because it would not treat its girls equal to boys.

      Tania Steyn - 2013-02-28 00:04

      There are some seriously fkd up Afrikaner men. Jewish, Greek, Sotho, Xhosa, German, English - pick your racial/ethnic group. My problem is: they were raised by women. Why do they have so little respect for women: even their mothers?

      heidi.lundie - 2013-02-28 00:44

      Sandra, speak for yourself. If you allow a man to own you it is your problem. No one can walk over you if you are standing upright and not allow it.

      hondbyt - 2013-02-28 00:49

      For those of you who don't know (now Sandra please pay attention as this concerns you), "rule of thumb" was a law introduced by the British empire of the allowed thickness of a rod/stick with which an English gentleman may have legally beat his wife with.

      rocco.dewet.3 - 2013-02-28 03:04

      Sandra Rennie, male chauvinism is not an Afrikaner problem, it is a problem that mainly infects the uneducated. So if your family has been affected by chauvinism...

      gary.gordon.961993 - 2013-02-28 03:16

      Sandra.... You obviously have had a bad experience with a couple of bossy individuals. There are bossy individuals in every society and it is unfair for you to tar them all with the same brush. Doing so places you in the same boat as this idiot Lulu. Do not degrade yourself and sink to her level.

      henk63 - 2013-02-28 04:16

      Sandra seemingly met a man who did not succumb to her domineering ways, and now she lables him bossy. Most English people have a huge superiority complex and cannot stand it if everyone does not bow down to them. One positive thing though (maybe) - they are very protective mothers, sometimes to the point of excess.

      ChasePotch - 2013-02-28 06:47

      sandra.j.rennie how do you feel now after you belittled the males of South Africa? The fact that your daughters choose idiots as you said is their own stupidity and it is not the reason to say every male is like that. You are not even a feminist because they think they have equal rights as men which they have, you are much worse because you think you are better than every man (probably on the planet). Shame on you, is Xingwana a friend of your because it sounds like you 2 sit at the same table. If your husband is bossy and domineering it is your problem. Stop generalizing all men under the same cover!

  • Gunner ZN - 2013-02-27 22:26

    Understand the reaction by the named group but people need to really look at themselves and their up bringing and behavior be it black, white or brown

      maria.roth.589 - 2013-02-27 23:56

      Oskar has not been tried yet and as such is innocent until proven guilty. A government minister should at least be aware of the rule of law in South Africa even if she has got her appointment because of cronyism. Racism is not acceptable from government employees. She should lose her job. We accept that she is ignorant but racist as well. Off with her head or at least sack her.

  • Vic Hammond - 2013-02-27 22:27

    Still needs to fired!Think before you open your mouth, dumb Miniter.You clearly DID offend the Afrikaans community.

  • john.tex.395 - 2013-02-27 22:27

    Proof is in the pudding

      henk63 - 2013-02-28 04:23

      Ag jirre what does that mean?

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  • Morne Nagel - 2013-02-27 22:31

    Apology not accepted. Its easy to say sorry for something but what gets said behind closed doors? You wouldn't have said it if you did not believe it. We'll accept it if you step down from your position as you have proven you are not fit for this job.

      Crab Spotter - 2013-02-27 22:52

      Agree with Morne. She shoots from the hip from an international platform. She lacks common sense. Like a bull in a china shop this one. Doesn't know what she is talking about. Harbours ill prejudiced quasi-scientific thoughts about white people in SA. A disgrace.

  • pjbadenhorst - 2013-02-27 22:33

    Forgiveness is undeserved mercy therefore, apology not accepted. Show some true remorse and resign because you are out of your depth.

  • neil.becker.378 - 2013-02-27 22:43

    Apologise on the same platform where you insulted us.

      tersia.louw.12 - 2013-02-27 23:17

      And resign; you are not fit for purpose.

  • Matjaka - 2013-02-27 22:44

    apology accepted , next time you should choose words

  • cleve.fletcher - 2013-02-27 22:45

    "I would, accordingly, like to retract these remarks and apologise unconditionally to them," she said. Sounds pretty much like a convincing apology to me or am I missing something?

  • Wynand Du Plessis - 2013-02-27 22:47

    I for one appreciate the (by the looks of it) sincere apology. Don't often see this kind of thing in government... I am, however still wondering a bit about the apparent silence from the president and government after she made these ill thought remarks. Maar nou ja, I do appreciate the apology!

  • Slick Calligraphy Cape Town - 2013-02-27 22:52

    South Africa's Dumbest Politicians a new tv show coming soon to a TV near you! Any producers wana take this one? I dare you!

  • cleve.fletcher - 2013-02-27 22:56

    WTF people! The lady made an ill-advised remark and she had the moral courage to retract the remark and make an unconditional apology. And just look at the remarks that are flying on this forum, it's a pity that most of the members of the said forum lack her insight and her character. Maybe it would be a good idea to look to her as an example before we shoot our mouths off.

      Tania Steyn - 2013-02-28 00:33

      Agreed, Cleve. We can imagine that she was talking crap, but we know there is more than a grain of truth in what she said.

  • Francois R Nel - 2013-02-27 22:56

    Omonkeerbare skade is aangerig in die oë van die Australianse gemeenskap. Die jammerte wat die mister na vore bring is afgewater en dun. Sy moet maar eerder van haar amp onthef word.

      tersia.louw.12 - 2013-02-27 23:24

      Ek stem.

  • pjthesecond.eldest - 2013-02-27 22:57

    Sheeesh as a married white guy I am rather offended. If I own things and I like them, I normally own a few, like I have three vehicle but I only married one wife. I think people that have multiple wives see wives as possessions not as soul mates.

      stefan.ferreira.984 - 2013-02-28 07:55

      You probably also look after the things you own.

  • Ghostsword - 2013-02-27 22:57

    To say sorry is not enough. The words are out, the damage is done. She, and many others, should think twice before opening their gobs, especially as they are in office, and are meant to be representing the whole of South Africa, white and black. A bunch of uneducated morons, full of racism. Today is the white people, tomorrow is someone from a different tribe than their own.

  • Black B.E.E Diamond - 2013-02-27 22:58

    Some of you people on this page are calling her racist yet you are being just asracist towards black people. I agknowlage that she was racist but that does not give you the right to be racist towards black people. Hyppocrytes

      Ronee Robinson - 2013-02-27 23:02

      Why do you assume that everyone criticising her is racist towards black people? I am a proud Afrikaner who is also currently funding 3 black children through good schools and who have funded others through schools and university.

      Black B.E.E Diamond - 2013-02-27 23:08

      I am not critisising you. If you seen some of the comments on this page for eg, - No thebe, Lulu is an upstart, that using money not meant for her, and she has the cheek to blame white men................Black men are the ones with the bad reputation............Darn her, go back to the bush." by "lownabester , you will see where I am coming from. You are certainly see where i'm coming from. I really do commend your good charity work and I wish we had more people like you.

      Omnivore - 2013-02-27 23:52

      Yeah, some white people are idiots, so are a lot of black people - especially on these forums. Doesn't change the fact that the minister was wrong.

      maria.roth.589 - 2013-02-28 00:21

      I call her a racist but I defy you to attribute a single racist remark to me. Don't blame others for her sins. She is after all paid by the people of this country and should not be allowed to denigrate any of them. The problem is with the government and their attitude towards the people who fill the trough they swill at.

      Tania Steyn - 2013-02-28 00:37

      Agreed, Bee. It seems that she created a hole for everyone to vent their frustrations. A person who cannot accept an apology, should reconsider their own sanctity.

      gary.gordon.961993 - 2013-02-28 04:09

      Black Diamond.... We are not responsible members of parliament or media figure-heads who appear on television. We are just people who have had enough of ANC corruprion and incompetence. It is human nature for public in general to be very vociferous agaimst those in power. Do you know about the French revolution? When people have no say in governance then they will say it with an acid tongue wherever they can.

  • womba.wonder - 2013-02-27 22:58

    She's apologised for saying what she said, and not for thinking what she thought. And she still thinks that way. Quietly.

      byron.matthews.562 - 2013-02-27 23:38

      hows that different from all other apologies?

  • Black B.E.E Diamond - 2013-02-27 23:00

    Murder of Fiyaaz Kazi. Nuff said.

      Jason Becker - 2013-02-27 23:22

      Wow!! ONE example. So because thousands of farmers have been tortured, taped and murdered by black people then by your thinking this means that killing and raping is part of black culture? Is this what you are saying ?

  • Themba Khumalo - 2013-02-27 23:00

    I do not condone what the minister said, but is there not a grain of truth somewhere in the loaf that she baked? In the same vein, apologies should be accepted for past atrocities committed by some, and Minister Xingwana's apology not accepted? The Germans are still apologising, and paying. When is it enough to simply say sorry and move on?

      richard.delarey - 2013-02-27 23:17

      My point exactly.

      Tania Steyn - 2013-02-28 00:41

      There is more than a grain, Themba. Ask the Domestic workers of SA what they see in the homes they work in. I agree that her thoughts were expressed in a way that would offend. Perhaps she feels as devastated as I do that a young women died at the hands of such a respected and well-loved man?

      heidi.lundie - 2013-02-28 01:20

      Tania SS Don't blame all white men if you have bad taste in men.

      TaniaSS - 2013-02-28 02:33

      Heidi Lundie: you hide behind an Avatar. My name and face is there for all to see. Consider for one moment; If I was an abused women would I even be allowed to be on Facebook? I will not shut up for the sake of an Avatar who may actually be an abuser hiding behind a fake profile. You know .... and that horse you rode in on.

  • justin.b.whittaker - 2013-02-27 23:02

    thebe u idiot..the oppression is now reversed...just sugar coated

  • phillip.dewaal - 2013-02-27 23:05

    Apology not accepted. So, when will you do the honorable thing abd resign?

  • Simon Johan Human - 2013-02-27 23:05

    What has been said can not be unsaid you dumb idiotic racist.

  • werner.luitingh - 2013-02-27 23:05

    your grasp of reality is distorted, it is unexceptable in the modern society we wish to uphold.

  • David Christianson - 2013-02-27 23:08

    perhaps this is why she didn't bother to turn up in parliament for Tuesday's gender violence debate?

  • Derek Meyer - 2013-02-27 23:11

    The moron did not even realise that Oscar Pistorius is an English speaking white South African with an Afrikaner father and English speaking South African mother.

      Ronee Robinson - 2013-02-27 23:41

      Oscar's upbringing was mostly english - he went to Pretoria Boys High School and his mother raised him after the divorce

  • Coetzee Van Der Merwe - 2013-02-27 23:12

    She should be fired just for saying he is guilty on international TV before he was found to be so in a Court of Law. Just show what the ANC sentiment is regarding the Law and rights of people. We say what the law is.

      Sarah - 2013-02-27 23:26

      This whole circus is quite an eye-opener for people in Europe, Australia.

  • Deon Ozzy Krause - 2013-02-27 23:13

    Don't worry, it's okay... If you were white it would have been racist. Luckily for you, you aren't.

  • davy.botha - 2013-02-27 23:14

    Honestly I did not know this minister untill the Anene Booysen affair and have to say she just comes across as being incompetent and under qualified for the job anyway honestly when do we ever she action from her ministry another cadre failure!

  • werner.luitingh - 2013-02-27 23:15

    due to her office it is unacceptable, only resignation will remedy the situation. behaviour of that nature is unbefiting of any office.

  • Jones Mkandawire - 2013-02-27 23:20

    Ja ,neh truth hurts.

      Sarah - 2013-02-27 23:24

      And being threatened with losing her job because of her poorly thought-through statements hurt even more....

      MJ - 2013-02-28 00:15

      Mr Jones Mkandawire, The "truth" that hurts us all, South Africans, is that the current Government is just as racist as the previous one. The difference is the sheer number of supporters that tolerate and/or encourage this behaviour. We should all know better by now. We all certainly deserve better.

      maria.roth.589 - 2013-02-28 00:37

      Just because she is an ANC minister you believe that she tells the truth? It would be the first time that has happened. I have seen so many women pulled screaming into the bushes for casual sex but it was never in my experience an Afrikander man that did it. Maybe they have but I have never seen it. However I don't want to be racist so I'll leave it there. So many women I know have been raped but not by Afrikander men maybe some have but none that I know. Family killings happen across the board both black and white people do it. To say something about Oscar Pistorius when he has not been tried is absolute nonsense. Is she clairvoyant or just your common or garden racist fool.

  • Jonathan D Van Rooyen - 2013-02-27 23:22

    :-( sadly to say our country is still deeply divided

      Iyanla Jakavula-Jordan - 2013-02-27 23:31

      true Jonathan D Van Rooyen, atleast you had something positive to say. Everyone here is so racist it hurts!

      Jonathan D Van Rooyen - 2013-02-27 23:36

      Hi Iyanla, so sad :-(

      hilola.selani - 2013-02-27 23:54

      True,I'm so tired of this race issue ppl drag it everywhere.

  • croix.mactee - 2013-02-27 23:26

    Just answer Jack's question right above your 'comment', son. Lulu's never been the brightest star in the sky. She indeed MEANT it when she said derogatory things about white Afrikaner men - so she can take the apology and stick it in a warm, damp and smelly place!

      croix.mactee - 2013-02-27 23:29

      Meant for john.fourie.18

      Tania Steyn - 2013-02-28 00:52

      You were born through that warm, damp, smelly place, mactee. I wish it wans't so, but there you are. Two apologies in one place. Lovely.

  • Barbara Scholten - 2013-02-27 23:27

    Woman, read the freakin' news!!! Honestly? i am SO biting my tongue here!

      Iyanla Jakavula-Jordan - 2013-02-27 23:34

      Barbs, im the woman with a white flag here, (trying to keep peace) not add petrol on fire! i do read the news, ok!

  • Iyanla Jakavula-Jordan - 2013-02-27 23:27

    I dont know who disappoints me more, Xingwana or the people (both black and white) on this, Guys let the past be. she made a mistake she apologised, where shes sorry or not its her business!

      tersia.louw.12 - 2013-02-27 23:33

      It's our business when a senior member of our government bad mouths a section of our population on an international platform, Iyanla.

      Karl van Rooyen - 2013-02-27 23:56

      R u dumm ?

  • keith.minter.90 - 2013-02-27 23:32

    Ok, apology accepted. Now if you had any resemblance of decency resign. Because any person with any reasonable intellect would have known not to say such stupid things in the first place. You are not fit to hold public office, never mind being a minister. Utterly ridiculous.

  • maria.roth.589 - 2013-02-27 23:33

    So go tell the Australian Broadcaster. Don't tell us we know you're talking nonsense they don't

  • justin.b.whittaker - 2013-02-27 23:34

    luphumlo how will weove forward in Sa if u still live in the past??...this minister is now talking cra p like this in the "new" south africa

  • justin.b.whittaker - 2013-02-27 23:37

    forced marriages should be abolished from ALL cultures!!young girls should not have to start adulthood young!no matter what ur elders say!

  • lekkeperd.chevyss - 2013-02-27 23:41

    F u . Apology declined.

      Nhlanhla Mmadi - 2013-02-28 00:39

      Is that how year mom raised you?

      maria.roth.589 - 2013-02-28 00:46

      I think all your commentators should learn to spell.

      Tania Steyn - 2013-02-28 00:55

      When last did you apologise, Lekkeperd? Even to your own Mother?

  • Iyanla Jakavula-Jordan - 2013-02-27 23:44

    Black, white, Black white... aggg no marn guys... whatever happened, happened, tea ladies and gardners, Bas and Madam it happened so what... lets move forwad. i know i sound unrealistic, it can be done tog marn!

      maria.roth.589 - 2013-02-28 00:48

      Don't tell us tell the minister. You are preaching to the choir.

  • Alan Street - 2013-02-27 23:44

    How disappointing you all are! Please don't allow the words of one person affect an entire nation

      byron.matthews.562 - 2013-02-27 23:47

      welcome to news24

      maria.roth.589 - 2013-02-28 00:55

      When another incompetent minister shoots her mouth off about a section of the public on an international platform she should be stopped. A silly apology after the fact just doesn't cut it. Riding high on hubris and ignorance she is too stupid to realise what she has done. I am not a white Afrikander male but I know many. They are not all angels but they are no worse than other men in the population and in some cases very much better. Evil flourishes when good men do nothing!

  • Hudayfah Newman - 2013-02-27 23:48

    Ok I was also disgusted with what she said. She has since apologised unreservedly, so let's give her the benefit of the doubt and move past this. We cant dwell on things like this forever.

      maria.roth.589 - 2013-02-28 01:01

      Commenting today is hardly dwelling on it forever. Her apology is just not good enough. You might think it is but you are not, judging from your name,a white Afrikander man. I for one am so tired of this polarizing nonsense that this government feels free to indulge in. I understand your point of view but if you are not a stake holder don't dictate to those that are.

      Hudayfah Newman - 2013-02-28 07:32

      Look lady i wasn't dictating to anyone, I was merely advising. If her apology is not good enough for you then I dont know what will be. Would you like for her to go back to the past and change what she said? She is not the first one to offend people nor will she be the last,but amongst them are not many that apologised,atleast she did.

  • Iyanla Jakavula-Jordan - 2013-02-27 23:54

    @Byron, lol!

  • veldt66 - 2013-02-27 23:58

    No to abuse against women!

  • Steve Gerber - 2013-02-28 00:00

    "Young Afrikaner men are brought up in the Calvinist religion believing that they own a woman" ...... sorry, please help me correct here, how many woman may a white person marry and how many may a black person marry...who owns the most woman???

  • veldt66 - 2013-02-28 00:01

    Minister didn't need to apologise if she was sure on she was talking about