Youth 'influenced by questionable forces'

2011-08-31 15:05

Durban - The youth are being influenced by questionable forces, Cosatu President Sdumo Dlamini said in Durban on Wednesday.

“Our youth are pulled by all sorts of questionable forces and we need to find ways to isolate the agenda that seeks to set the movement against its own people,” he said.

He was addressing members of the Chemical Workers’ Industrial Union and the Paper, Printing, Wood and Allied Workers’ Union.

Dlamini said if the progressive forces failed to provide answers to the people, they would turn to demagogues who would tap their anger and energy for use against the democratic government.

“One practical example is what we have been observing happening around Luthuli House,” he said.

Cosatu was observing the ANC disciplinary hearing process with interest, he said.

“We want to commend the ANC leadership for acting within the parameters of their own constitutional processes, not based on pressure from any quarter which may have devious motives,” he said.

There was violence during the start of the ANC Youth League president Julius Malema's disciplinary hearing in Johannesburg on Tuesday. At least six journalists were hit by stones.

The youth burnt posters and T-shirts bearing pictures of President Jacob Zuma's face.

Dlamini said Cosatu’s responsibility was to ensure that ANC leaders elected in Polokwane succeeded in implementing programmes.

“We must therefore expose any agenda that seeks to blacken these leaders into political timidity and paralysis.”

  • Pieter Cillié - 2011-08-31 15:08

    was waiting for this.

      Tantrum - 2011-08-31 15:17

      I'm sure they are going to blame it on the right wing

      Yomar Sapus - 2011-08-31 15:20

      They will blame it on apartheid or the white imperialists etc etc....

      Amos Rakgots - 2011-08-31 16:17

      It was a sjame to have seen black youngsters robbing black old ladies and other hawkers from their only belongings, this all happened yesterday....I would really feel ashamed to be associated to this in any way....And then Juju has the nerve to state he cares about the poor....

      THE.SRG - 2011-08-31 16:46

      they gonna blame it on the evil white magic

      letsee - 2011-08-31 19:09

      People in isolation don't get together and succeed in doing something. It is known that these look alike organized events are indeed organized and often behind the scenes and unkown to the people involved.

      Spyker May - 2011-08-31 21:13

      Evidently the youth is NOT "influenced by questionable forces", but by, questionable intellect...

      Warslat - 2011-08-31 21:38

      Dlamini is right, the youth are influenced by questionable forces, well actually just one. It has a name...Juju Malema

      Mike Hoxbig - 2011-08-31 22:23

      I'm pretty sure that he's referring to Malema and friends.

      Fredster69 - 2011-09-01 07:19

      The name of the force is Julius

      BigD - 2011-09-01 07:29

      They cant blame the right wing or the left wing but can blame the popall in the middle

      donns - 2011-09-01 07:40

      Apartheids fault

      Karin - 2011-09-01 11:41

      @ spyker may, you hit the spyker right on the head there.

  • CHIPPER_CHAP - 2011-08-31 15:13

    what a relief the whites aint blamed this time. Or shall we say yet ...?

      Felix - 2011-08-31 15:29

      @TheMagician, that explains why Somalia is doing so well.

      Reppie - 2011-08-31 15:31

      @Magician I have never seen a person say so much bulls#it in one sentence.

      falcon2020 - 2011-08-31 15:36


      Gaans - 2011-08-31 15:44

      TheMagician! And how do you perform nationalisation without going the same path as Zimbabwe? I dont think the youth of Zimbabwe are in any way better off after the land graps and nationalisation. They are in a more dire situation than before!

      CtC - 2011-08-31 15:48

      @magician You obviously read only part of your history books.In apartheid years the whites built 16 classrooms per working day for black kids. In apartheid years the eductaion budget, paid by white taxes, was increased by 30% per annum for black kids. In apartheid years, whites donated blood at Baragwanath hospital for black patients. In apartheid years whites built black universities like Medunsa, which provided 200 doctors per annum paid by white taxpayers. Nelson Mandela received a degree in South Africa under Apartheid government, so did a lot of others. I said to myself, Myself these people just want to blame somebody and do not want to do anything, instead they want and "give me"

      Felix - 2011-08-31 15:48

      Just because you are a young gay black guy doesn't mean we can't insult your 'Intelligence'. Please explain how your life would have been better.

      Werner - 2011-08-31 15:51

      @TheMagician YOU are what's wrong with this country. '...give them a slice of the pie...'. How about you get off your lazy ass and educate yourself, and WORK for once and not spend all day striking! And don't give me the 'do you know what it's like to study by candlelight without food'. You've had 17 years to improve your situation. All you've ever brought along through evolution is the cupping of your hands. Good gracious you infuriate me.

      Reppie - 2011-08-31 15:54

      Lol. Insult your intelligence, me never? You have to have something available to insult first. Anyways now that all the insulting is finished, by stating that the whole goal of apartheid was to put the black man down is somewhat incorrect. The whole goal of apartheid was to allow the black community to evolve apart from the white community. The other alternative was subjugation into an enconomy which would have come as a shock to the then black community (Imagine jumping from the dark-ages of spear fighting into the industrial/gunpoweder age all of a sudden. The idea was that blacks can evolve with the assistance of the white community on a "apartheid" basis. So as to incorporate the black community into the white community at a later stage. So stating apartheid served its goals is false. Apartheid failed in achieving it's goals. Next time think a little bit further than the colour of your own skin.

      DeathDealer - 2011-08-31 15:54

      @The Magician:"because i'm a young black homosexual" precisely what you said ,that you are young, so that meant you had time to uplift yourself in some way or another and you were not part of the old regime so stop blaming apartheid ,if you still have nothing by now ,then that young sir is your own loss.

      Realistiqly - 2011-08-31 15:55

      Hi Magician, nothing wrong with being black or gay. What I have a problem with is people sitting back and blaming everything on what happened in the past. We can not change the past but it is your attitude towards the future that really counts. In stead of the youth of this country breaking down things and running amok, they should be tought how to be diciplined and to get a proper education. How is it possible that the minority of whites that is not in power still gets blamed for everything?

      Matt :-) - 2011-08-31 16:02

      Could TheMagician be Juju?

      Bianca - 2011-08-31 16:10

      @ TheMagician - You refer to giving them a piece of the econimic pie; this we have already done. The whole purpose of BEE was to give previously disadvantaged races the oppertunity to have a larger part in our economy. As it turned out the system did not work. Already farms have been handed over to the previously disadvantaged, and unfortunately very few of these are now successful enterprises that contribute to the economy. The previously disadvantaged get free schooling, free health care, child support grants. At what point do we draw the line and say that they are receiving enough, and they must now make the effort on their part to do something with what they have been given. I am a white 24 year old university student from a middle class background. I guess you can argue that my parents, by virtue of being white, were advantaged during apartheid and that this advantage has passed on to me. But my parents never got free handouts - they both worked full jobs in order to put me and my brother through school. The reason I am still at Uni is because I work damn hard at my degree, and because of that I am making a success of it. I also tutor Biology at a hichschool in Madidi Township on the weekends, there I have seen that some kids are willing to make the effort. They work hard, we help them get Uni Bursaries and they make a success of themselves. Other just don't care and are waiting for the next handout - you cannot tell me that they deserve a piece of the pie.

      ChumScrubber - 2011-08-31 16:18

      You see Magician, your only solution is to take away - no interest in creating. How about starting to have pride in the country which is now ruled by the majority. You treat the country like a big dustbin, your only contribution is litter - its as if you hate your own country. Always blaming is not going to solve your problems - start behaving as if you care about the future of your (our) country please!

      ChumScrubber - 2011-08-31 16:20

      Oh, and Maggie - if you really are a homosexual, I think you should change your mind re supporting Malema - he has the same attitude to homosexuals as Mugabe. You didn't know that????????????????

      TheMagician - 2011-08-31 16:27

      chumscrubber not once have i voiced my support for Malema... i am purely commenting on what i see going on.

      Kleinjan - 2011-08-31 16:35

      1. You've ALLWAYS been down. 2. Force them into the economy? So they can wear more expensive clothes while burning and destroying everything? 3. YOU live a good life in this country compared to other African countries. Want, want, want, want, want!

      Succubus - 2011-08-31 16:40

      Dearest TheMagician, if you took your young, black, homosexual ass into any normal middle class complex anywhere in Johannesburg, you would find your self surrounded by mostly young black people along side all other races, who all have regular professional jobs, mostly all university educated, and all earning normal professional salaries, living in R400k to R1.2m houses, driving normal middle class to mid level vehicles. Not to mention a fair number of SUV's and the odd Hummer, which are popular among the 'intelligent' and 'self sufficient' black youth. All of these young black people living in all these complexes, earning all these normal professional salaries (or more), 'all' grew up with parents who them selves grew up suppressed by apartheid living in shacks in the townships. All of these successful young black people came from 'exactly' the same previously disadvantaged place as the seething mass of primitive stupidity that has been oozing all over our city streets over the last two days. What is the difference between the young black people who succeed the same as all other races, and the primates bouncing up and down in our streets today like living proof of the missing link? By the way, I love that you're homosexual!! Very kinky! I'm into other girls my self! xxx

      maydayza - 2011-08-31 17:09

      LOL @ TheMagician - guys he has to be pulling your legs.

      ANCYL4PRES - 2011-08-31 17:11

      to he honest, people that were never affected by apartheid will never understand the intense damage this system has caused to a lot of people's lives, people lost breadwinners, some people dissapeared until today no one can tell what happened to them, there is a next door neighbour of ours that vanished, he was taken my the security police as he was actively involved in politics and was a member of UDF, so date no one can tell what happened to him, his parents died recently still asking themselves a question of what really happened to him, another guy we went to school with he was beaten up by the former security police and today he is mentaly unstable from the severe beatings, it destroyed the rest of his life. I honestly believe those who oppose compensation to the victims are selfish. I lot of the guys we went to school with in the late 70's left for exile and some never made it back. people this is not a story it's a reality to many of the people who were affected by apartheid.

      GB - 2011-08-31 18:37

      Methinks TheMagician is pulling the p*ss.

      Bianca - 2011-08-31 20:26

      @ ANCYL4PRES. You're right, a lot of us don't know the full extent of what happened in apartheid. And yes, those who suffered should be compensated. We should certainly never enter in to a situation where we pretend that it didn't happen. However, when the ANC first took over ruling the party in 1994 they didn't have vengeance on their mind, it wasn't about revenge; they wanted to start clean and build up a new South Africa. The current statements you hear from the ANC leaders sound like the complete opposite however. I just think that the opportunity for free handouts should be over. From now on people should be rewarded based on merit and not on colour. If there is an underpriveledged child (regardless of colour) that shows great promise in school or sport or singing or whatever field; provision should be made to give them all the opportunities they otherwise would not have had. Likewise for small business owners. That is fair. Those who show initiative should be rewarded for it. But unfortunately so many people just expect things to be handed out to them, and they are sapping the country dry. Its mostly those people who blaim apartheid for their situation, and not their own lack of work ethic.

      grod - 2011-08-31 20:58

      @Magician - Show us a trick or two - maybe pull a hare out of your ass and make yourself disappear!!

      Reppie - 2011-09-01 10:50

      @grod seems like he is a real magician some of his posts dissapeared :P

  • Bok Fan - 2011-08-31 15:13

    Its extraordinarily simple Sdumo. When the anc deployees make an effort to meet their constitutional obligations as civil servants rather than as gangsters you'll be amazed at how the darkness recedes and the light streams in.

      ChumScrubber - 2011-08-31 16:25

      This is it - the okes are given 99% of the jobs in civil service, but have no will to work for the good of the country. Its an amazingly destructive mindset - hard to comprehend. Maybe our brains just don't function in the same direction as theirs. I mean, there are plenty of useless mlungus - but where are they in life - where they belong. But useless black people are protected by a regime that accepts mediocracy. Go to the private sector and there are 1000's of competent black people, better than mlungus in many circumstances - but in the civil service they employ the bottom feeders of black society and protect them!

  • ian b - 2011-08-31 15:14

    ANCYL supporters are from the HIV generation with thanks to Mbeki and Manto and all the ANC politicians of the time who kept quiet and stole or wasted financial recourses that could have been spent on upliftment of the impoverished masses. The ANC with their lack of capacity (read capability) have killed more South Africans than any previous government. The same masses will continue to support the inept and corrupt big men in Africa it’s something in the DNA. Remember “Together we can steal more”

  • sganja - 2011-08-31 15:14

    Mind your business Sdumo, when Cosatu marches and threaten people you don't talk. This is Anc issue not Cosatu......

      Wacko - 2011-08-31 15:17

      Its everybody's business ....dick

      Wacko - 2011-08-31 15:18

      If its not our business , why do we have to pay tax mampara.......

      sganja - 2011-08-31 15:28

      I don't know if you don't want don't pay it....I'm going back to Luthuli house on the weekend....

      bill - 2011-08-31 15:32

      thieves falling out?

      Borken - 2011-08-31 15:34

      so in this case its no ones business. but the governence of BOTSWANA is the business of the ANCYL. again SGANJA THINK before you speak, THINK. im going to do this to every one of your posts to help you gain a little smarts.

      moafrika - 2011-08-31 16:04

      Exactly sganja. When cosatu uses the children, Sdumo keeps quiet. The teachers attend cosatu meetings during school you hear some noise from Sdumo, NO!!! SO Sdumo must shut up

      Amos Rakgots - 2011-08-31 16:16

      It was a sjame to have seen black youngsters robbing black old ladies and other hawkers from their only belongings, this all happened yesterday....I would really feel ashamed to be associated to this in any way....And then Juju has the nerve to state he cares about the poor....

      Mundu - 2011-08-31 16:23

      HaHaaaa...The ANC snake is eating it's own tail.

      ChumScrubber - 2011-08-31 16:27

      I think you should lay off the ganja dude, in small quantities its fine but you seem to be abusing it - hence the lack of an ability to reason.

      gatvol4corru - 2011-08-31 18:27

      there you do it again! Showing the world that you lack IQ

      umhlopo - 2011-08-31 18:33

      you are white and you have a big spoon

      Lab-Rat - 2011-09-01 14:03

      umhlopo - a big spoon in the form of brains?

      device - 2011-09-01 17:43

      with all due respect sganja is correct, anyone who saw the recent municipal sector strike or any other COSATU affiliated protest will tell you that the damage caused by these strikes to infrastructure and the economy at large is far worse than ANCYL hooliganism outside Luthuli house. I am in no way condoning what the youth league has done just pointing out that there is a general propensity towards destructive behavior in SA that extends well beyond the ANCYL

  • Bantu - 2011-08-31 15:15

    what are those forces Mr Dlamini? are you trying to put the blame on Opposition parties? or you refering to inside forces

  • Finni - 2011-08-31 15:15

    Interesting that the leadership of COSATU these days seem to have a more grounded and intelectual view on things on the ground. Our supposed leaders in JZ et al never seem to have the balls to say things like this because they know they are not being strong role models to our youth.

      falcon2020 - 2011-08-31 15:37

      good angle!

      ChumScrubber - 2011-08-31 16:29

      Thats the problem - they are weak leaders. And weak for the wrong reasons, they are weak when they feel decisions that may be unpopular may threaten their power base.

  • Marulaneng - 2011-08-31 15:15

    what forces? the ANC (and its alliance partners) had spared the rod and spoiled malema for a long time! they must live with the consequences and stop shifting the blame as always

  • Comrade Mike - 2011-08-31 15:15

    He should also tell the Chemical wekkas union that they still haven't signed the wage increase agreement from the strike (they have lost the first copy as well). They are partying in Durban and there workers have not received their increase because their union don't give a damn about them. Time they got off the fence.

  • Zizo Snr - 2011-08-31 15:16

    Sdumo... you are one hellbent politicians that always fails your people. You have turned labour unions into political horses, you have forcefully nominated ANC leaders for all your members yet you preach democratic processes. You have no solid political comment in any current matter. You are just like Blade Nzimande, who is still needs to account for a R500000 that went missing in 2008.

      sganja - 2011-08-31 15:19

      I agree Zizo Cosatu now is behaving like political party they forgot what the purpose of Cosatu is...

      Thor - 2011-08-31 15:28

      and what about fat boy what has he done for his people except talk sh.t. Fine he is spending all his tender money so that may be creating jobs...

      bill - 2011-08-31 15:34

      you are so right! everybody has forgotten the R 500 000 in the black bag.

      Borken - 2011-08-31 15:35

      @SGANGA. my friend, the ancyl has LSO forgotten what their purpose is, it is not their purpose to create revolution in Botswana, it is to spead the values and agenda of the ANC throughout the youth of this nation. THINK sganja, THINK before you speak.

      GT - 2011-08-31 15:54

      Sanja and Zizo - you are 100% right. Although the funny thing is that the ANC wheels them out when needed. Unions and government should NEVER be in bed together. Government has crippled itself with this relationship.

  • President - 2011-08-31 15:16

    Our youth are pulled by all sorts of questionable forces and we need to find ways to isolate the agenda that seeks to set the movement against its own people,” he said. Fantastic words coming from a man whose union members kill their own kind when refusing to join the mass action.

      sganja - 2011-08-31 15:19

      @President the worse part they force them to undress their clothes but he don't talk.

      JMsays - 2011-08-31 16:05

      @sganja, did they really force people to undress? Don't the victims have a criminal case against who ever did this? Sick!

      DeathDealer - 2011-08-31 16:15

      Must be the Tokolosh forces working over time at Cosatu HQ

  • Vullis - 2011-08-31 15:16

    “Our youth are pulled by all sorts of questionable forces...." Ignorance is bliss, why can they not accept that the fault lies with the ANC and that their actions ultimately the cause of this kind of retaliation? If the president can give his buddy 2billion, arrange a couple of tenders for his sons and then attempt to dismiss the only hope poor people have in this country (even though he is a thief) what are they supposed to do when they are fed up? Come now, ANC, you preach accountability to the ANCYL but you do not practice it Either!

  • Mark Fysh - 2011-08-31 15:16

    Is this the THIRD FORCE then, Sdumo?

      MetEishYa - 2011-08-31 15:21

      the tokoloshe?

  • SolomonMagalefa - 2011-08-31 15:16

    Unsure what to make of this article. If a handful of people get out of hand, does that mean that they were all influenced by "questionable" forces? The ANCYL democratically elected their leadership - why can't they show solidarity with their leadership via peaceful demonstration? Sorry but I have to differ with the Cosatu opinion.

      RonJeremy - 2011-08-31 15:28

      I'm not sure about what the opinion is of this article. Goes around in circles and in the end, ends up saying nothing. Pretty much like every ANC public speech.

      Christelle - 2011-08-31 16:04

      I totally agree with the article going arount in circles - and the statement "Dlamini said Cosatu’s responsibility was to ensure that ANC leaders elected in Polokwane succeeded in implementing programmes." what does that actually mean? Unless the person reporting left out half the information.

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      ChumScrubber - 2011-08-31 16:34

      Peaceful demonstration is fine - if they did this nobody would complain. But everything the majority does is violent and destructive, it is very difficult for myself as a minority member to understand. Most of what I am forced to associate with the majority with is negative, can you blame me?

  • Johnny - 2011-08-31 15:19

    didn't realise you could blacken the leaders any more than they already have been

  • MetEishYa - 2011-08-31 15:20

    the tokoloshe?

  • panafricanis - 2011-08-31 15:20

    Pot calling a kettle black,The Youth learned from their eldersm Cosatum, Its very interesting that when when Cosatu members trash the street and abuse patients at the hospitals in strikes no one blamed the forces in this case Sdumo

      RonJeremy - 2011-08-31 15:29

      what forces? they just did that cause they're uncivilised. No 'force' required.

      ChumScrubber - 2011-08-31 16:37

      Thats it, the majority seems to condone destructive behaviour - never criticise anything bad unless it was done by a white man. Notice how indirect his criticism is of the obvious "third force". In my culture I call this cowardice!

  • vegetarian - 2011-08-31 15:23

    Mr Dumo Dlamini is really a questionable force.

  • Ruan - 2011-08-31 15:23

    I knew this was going to happen. Its not white vs black. It's black vs black. They are going to destroy them selves.

      Logs01 - 2011-08-31 16:06


      Tabile - 2011-08-31 16:27

      That is your daily prayer to your father the White Devil!

      ChumScrubber - 2011-08-31 16:41

      Problem is, they'll try to take us down with them. We need to stand together, these people seem to be unable to uplift themselves - we will always be the scapegoat.

      GDR - 2011-09-01 08:14

      We can only hope that they do just that.

  • CPII - 2011-08-31 15:24

    It's da thed foss, da thed foss o:

  • Christo - 2011-08-31 15:24

    10 ways to annoy people. 1. Sing the Batman theme incessantly. 2. In the memo field of all your checks, write "for sensual massage." 3. Specify that your drive-through order is "to go." 4. Learn Morse code, and have conversations with friends in public consisting entirely of "Beeeep Bip Bip Beeep Bip..." 5. If you have a glass eye, tap on it occasionally with your pen while talking to others. 6. Amuse yourself for endless hours by hooking a camcorder to your TV and then pointing it at the screen. < 7. Speak only in a "robot" voice. 8. Push all the flat Lego pieces together tightly. 9. Start each meal by conspicuously licking all your food, and announce that this is so no one will "swipe your grub". 10. Leave the copy machine set to reduce 200%, extra dark, 17 inch paper, 98 copies.

      Felix - 2011-08-31 15:34

      11. Post line after line of illogical text.

  • Nostrilite - 2011-08-31 15:27

    your answer is here!

  • v3 - 2011-08-31 15:27

    Gee! Gosh!! Gee willikers!!! Now who could the naughty youth have learnt about trashing streets, threatening the media, onlookers and the police and general rowdiness from? Not Cosatu-affiliated strikers, surely?

  • Mr Wendal - 2011-08-31 15:28

    May the "FORCE" be with you?

  • Coconut - 2011-08-31 15:31

    Excuses excuses and excuses. Always blame something or somebody else. Never there own doing. Suprised that they are not blaming apartheid.

  • Slapper - 2011-08-31 15:32

    Juju is highly questionable…. but thats about it. Watch his raving fanatic followers dump him, when the blowtorch is put to them by the ANC. No, they can not fit in at the trouch, its already bumper to bumper at the feast.

  • Louigi - 2011-08-31 15:32

    Third force, outside force, questionable force. Tell you what knob, why dont you force your utterings up jujubees port.

  • morecats - 2011-08-31 15:39

    TheMagician - August 31, 2011 at 15:23 Nice sentiments but of course total BS deluxe. The reality is that these idiots are no more marginalized by apartheid than what my daughter is benefiting from BEE. The problem lies within the structures this dumbass ANC put in place to keep control over the country at all cost, thus kicking the masses in the teeth. The big bogeyman is the whites and apartheid because by large, the whites are still clinging to their culture of discipline and education for their kids above all else. In comparison, the majority of the idiots dancing in the streets are knuckleheads that can be swayed by any shiny fat politician in a black, luxury German car preaching money for nothing. So blaming apartheid and the perceived benefits the whites enjoyed under it may have been relevant till 2000 but after that it becomes just a lot of BS rhetoric you are falling into. Once again, the reality is that this ANC idiots could have steered this country into greatness but chose to feed their fat faces instead. So these YL jackasses can remain stupid and hungry till the end of time for all I care. My motto is looking after me and my own and stuff the rest. If they manage to stuff this country up to the point of us leaving, so be it but in the meantime ..... it's marvelous to be a white man in Africa!

      Phaedioux - 2011-08-31 16:22

      Quite right! The failed education system, the culture of entitlement, the worshipping of bling and criminals and their dysfunctional families are what has caused the unemployable and socially spurned modern youths to be what by far the majority of them have become. They are not worth helping or mentoring as they will continue to bite the hand that feeds them.

      morecats - 2011-08-31 16:28

      Phaedioux - August 31, 2011 at 16:22 Fancy meeting you here! This site is not as lively as what the TL one was but some of the old cretins have shifted here as well, so it can actually become business as usual! Still doing your fortified coffees? LOL!! meerkat.

      Phaedioux - 2011-08-31 16:52

      Hi there - yep, in this weather 'didguised coffees' are the rage. You are right, also, it is nice to note that @BroccoliBox is as unpopular here as he was on TL! - he isn't yet aware of how anaemic he is. It is quite timid here, but the humour has proved to be good. The site is updated more frequently as well - less boredom.

      Phaedioux - 2011-08-31 16:53

      didguised = disguised (same typing problems! :(

      morecats - 2011-08-31 17:53

      Yeah, our insipid Broc Boy has the following of a tail-in-the-air skunk wherever he goes. What a dufus!

  • sizwemqobo - 2011-08-31 15:39

    Who are these forces? You talk about something you have no clue about better stick to Cosatu issues? These kids have been on this path for a long time and you never raised an issue with that.Hayi suka uzenza ngathi uyazi

  • Robbie - 2011-08-31 15:39

    Like Cosatu set such a fine example!

  • falcon2020 - 2011-08-31 15:41

    Commend the ANC for trying to do the proper thing. Malema is a gangster hiding in the motherbody - he must be cast out.

      falcon2020 - 2011-08-31 15:43

      the future is in the hands of each one us, we must help, by not tolerating bad governance and soon we will find common ground.

  • Mlu - 2011-08-31 15:41

    Sdumo, Sganja and the rest of like-minded crowd were shouting on top of their voices for Thabo Mbeki to go. They all brought in Malema to do the barking for them so that JZ could take over. Two presidents were created in the process. One is Malema - an ill-disciplined foul-mouthed idiot. Do I need to say more? Our politics is in the gutter because of him. The next one is JZ. South Africa has proven to be way beyond his depth. In actual fact, pundits agree that he is worst president this country has ever had. He has eroded the pride we had of this country during Mandela's and Mbeki's time. We really need a total overhaul of the ANC and put back the organization to its days of glory. The ANC has become a party of chaos, ill-discipline, greed and shame. As things are at the moment, I am joining those fellow Black South Africans who are turning their backs against their erstwhile political party.

      sganja - 2011-08-31 15:49

      I won't turn back, I will remain Anc member for the rest of my lie'

      Felix - 2011-08-31 15:54

      Sganga, "lie" you did that on purpose didn't you.

  • grimbie1 - 2011-08-31 15:44

    Does anyone care what is going on inside the building..? All the media has reported is the support for Malema but what actually happening in the case?

  • sleez - 2011-08-31 15:46

    Resource based economy is the solution to all our problems

      Felix - 2011-08-31 15:56

      What's our economy based on now?

  • Mart - 2011-08-31 15:47

    It matters little whose influence is determining these acts of vandalism, aggression and disrespect for the rule of law by the youth. What does matter a great deal is that they could not show their support in a civil and cultured manner because they do not understand civility and culture beyond what they have learnt from their parents and grandparents. In their societies, more than any other South African societies that I know, it seems it is ok to beat up women, have sex with their wives/girlfriends without permission, it is manly to sleep around and father multiple offspring with little or no responsibility. The stable family unit is the exception rather than the rule, drug abuse is cool for them, as is abuse and thievery and vandalism.... some of this can be attributed to apartheid and some to post apartheid ANC rule. What chance I ask, do the 3 or four generations of inferior beings have other than to take take take.

  • sleez - 2011-08-31 15:47

    If you don't know what RBE is then check wikipedia

  • Ozzy - 2011-08-31 15:48

    I wondered when COSATU will join the fray! After all. If you nationalise the mines, like Malema says we have to, its just a hop, skip and a jump to a communist state where a strike, and also a trade union, would be illegal... If COSATU can't organize strikes what would they do??!!

  • charliewoo - 2011-08-31 15:48

    Why does everything have to be an "agenda" or have some "questionable force" when the ANC and alliance parties discuss problematic issues.

      GilbeyJones - 2011-08-31 17:06

      those are terms on their crib notes from revolution classes..

  • Rain-Man3 - 2011-08-31 15:53

    Yes blame it on the 'forces' DO YOU GUYS ALSO SEE DEAD PEOPLE IN SPACE SHIPS

  • John - 2011-08-31 15:53

    today malema has less than 500 stupid looking guys who showed up to get a free kfc meal. if this is a revolution im hardly shaking all over

      Felix - 2011-08-31 15:58

      I don't think most of them knew the meal came with a high pressure shower and rubber bullets for pudding.

      Phaedioux - 2011-08-31 18:35

      Wait until the real ANC get hold of these 'mercenaries'!

  • JustinX - 2011-08-31 15:54

    You mean like a 3rd Wors....I mean 3rd Force that was never found? It has to be the Illuminati

  • Christo - 2011-08-31 15:57

    10 More ways to annoy people 11. Stomp on little plastic ketchup packets. 12. Sniffle incessantly. 13. Leave your turn signal on for fifty miles. 14. Name your dog "Dog." 15. Insist on keeping your car windshield wipers running in all weather conditions "to keep them tuned up." 16. Reply to everything someone says with "that's what YOU think." 17. Claim that you must always wear a bicycle helmet as part of your "astronaut training." 18. Declare your apartment an independent nation, and sue your neighbors upstairs for "violating your airspace". 19. Forget the punchline to a long joke, but assure the listener it was a "real hoot." 20. Follow a few paces behind someone, spraying everything they touch with Lysol.

  • Maishe Bopape - 2011-08-31 15:57

    Is it a mission impossible,how come it has taken a liberation movement 100 years not to achieve its goal?There is something very wrong or the movement has turn to the movement of free-loaders.We need a political party that could formulate implement policies that could help the masses to establish and sustain Ubuntu/Botho Empire.With more than 25million people living below our national social safety net,we are loosing a generation,where is social justice.There will be another 100 years of struggling and we will have to answer to our grandchildren.

  • Dazbo - 2011-08-31 15:58

    Apologies for gatecrashing your forum..but i felt that i had to say something. Is this character Sdumo Dlamini based in a Psychiatric hospital in a padded cell ?? Every time there's a service delivery riot, strikers riot,municipal workers riot or anything else, some obscure tosser crawls out of the woodwork and blames some mysterious third force or questionable force...My god...isn't it about time that the ANC manned up and accepted accountability/responsibility....You guys are the laughing stock of the world.... Where have you ever heard of a political party demonstrating against itself ?????????

  • Edynot - 2011-08-31 16:01

    Ok so for 2 days we have heard all details of whats going on OUTSIDE... Now how about someone get to what actually matters and say something that the people of this nation really whant to know... What the hell is going on INSIDE?!?!?!

  • moafrika - 2011-08-31 16:08

    Sdumo is the last person to talk. Cosatu union, Sadtu, abuses the children all the time, do you hear him saying anything, No. The teachers are more on the streets than in the classrooms. so shut up Sdumo

  • Tabile - 2011-08-31 16:11

    Sdumo Dlamini himself is a symbol of those questionable forces, and offers no alternatives. Willie Madisha must be laughing wherever he is today, Sdumo Dlamini is bitter that the T-Shirts bearing the face of his uncle are burnt by the same anarchists they used to rubbish Mbeki.

  • PhillipF - 2011-08-31 16:18

    @ TheMagician. I just graduated from a university where I had to work really hard to study. Having no money other than a small bursary and whatever I could gather from part time work made it real tough, but I graduated cum laude. Some of the other students in my class (black students) had R60 000 bursaries from the government which paid for EVERYTHING and even gave them pocket money. They partied more than anything and guess what...they didn't graduate with me. Point is, the opportunities are there, but since they didn't work hard they got nothing. So don't tell me that I had an advantage over them. We all were on the same level, they didn't use their opportunities and now they can't continue their studies. Sorry to say this, but if the youth doesn't learn that ONLY hard work and dedication will bring you wellbeing then they will not get anywhere in life. I think that's the general problem with the youth of today. They are lazy and wait for opportunities to come to them, they don't take initiative and make life work for them. The only places where they seem to take some initiative are where violence and criminality is concerned.

  • Just Someone - 2011-08-31 16:23

    We all know Malema caused this and arranged the whole thing. He wanted to try and scare the ANC by trying to show power. He only embaressed himself in front of the whole world by showing his lack of "leadership". Whites have tried and tried to reconcile now for 17 years after apartheid. We give and give, and are threatened all the time by the likes of Malema. There is no more place for racist hooligans like him. He should be locked up and forced to pay for all the shops that was damaged. He and the likes of him are the cause of 1000's losing jobs at the moment due to lack of investments in our country. Until 2008, and till early 2009, my business was doing well. Since then, downhill all the time. Strangely the same time he started threatening people in South Africa and scared away offshore investors. I am not a fan of Europe or America, but, in business, it does not matter. We need the investments and all the opportunities they provide. The ANCYL is trying to make business about skin colour (what a joke). All the time it is just old Malema having his own agenda to make millions for himself, and he would ruin South Africa in the process of making that millions. Wish his followers could see what they actually stand for, and stop all the nonsense. What did he ever provide to his followers except job losses and uncertainty. O, yes, toilets I believe and a whole lot of talking. MALEMA, LEARN TO CREATE WEALTH,DON'T TAKE FROM OTHERS AND EXPECT TO COUNTRY TO PROSPER.

  • PhillipF - 2011-08-31 16:25

    A teacher walked into a class and told them he'd be handling the class marks according to a communist model. So the first test comes around: Half of the class did really well, the other half all failed. But due to the communist system, they all got an average mark. Then the second test came around: The half who did good with the first test decided not to work so hard as their marks will be reduced anyway. The half who did poorly with the first test decided not to study at all since their marks were raised for the first what happened? The WHOLE class failed! Maybe not entirely true for SA, but we are heading there soon if the youth don't realise that if they want something from life they will have to work for it, irrespective of where they come from.