Youth must defend economic freedom - ANCYL

2012-06-16 14:43

Johannesburg - Young people in South Africa should prepare themselves to take on the task of economic freedom, the ANC Youth League said on Saturday.

"Ours like the 1976 detachment is a struggle for policy shift," said the league's spokesperson Magdalene Moonsamy in a statement.

"In the main [is] the demand for fast-tracking the return of the land to the indigenous people of this country without compensation and the nationalisation of the mines of South Africa."

She said it was the youth league's task to ensure it never fails the generations to come.

The league called on all young people to commemorate June 2012 "with the fighting spirit of the youth of 1976."

ANCYL vice-president Ronald Lamola was due to address a Youth Day rally at the Laapland community hall in Vredenburg in the Western Cape on Saturday.

  • bennie.kruger.5 - 2012-06-16 15:00

    These are the thoughs you can expect after eating too much PAP.

      eddy.deepfield - 2012-06-16 15:35

      What is a "thoughs"?

      Utopian - 2012-06-16 15:37

      "In the main [is] the demand for fast-tracking the return of the land to the indigenous people of this country without compensation" How ironic when you consider that this is coming from the mouth of a woman who is of Indian ethnic origin. The only indigenous people of South Africa are the Bushmen and most of them were annihilated by the Bantu.

      spartanx93 - 2012-06-16 16:14

      and they will still be broke even if they got the land! I would really like to know who feed them the BS that once you get a piece of land they will be economically free!

      Geronimo - 2012-06-16 16:26

      Moonsamy's forefathers were from the Indian subcontinent. She's as "indigenous" as the Indian Myna birds in Durban. Methinks this one is a little confused. - 2012-06-17 08:19

      Ronald Lamola is a gardener masquerading as a politician. you can see the uneducated look in his eyes. he was a Julius Malema's puppet now he is just confused. Look at that confused, insecure look on his face.

      alansmartSnr - 2012-06-19 23:11

      Hell se kind ! hy lyk rêrig deurmekaar..seker maar gerook of miskien is hy maar so sog gevoed.

  • Hermann - 2012-06-16 15:00

    What a joke "defend economic freedom " when the ANCYL favour nationalisation. The idiots have no comprehension, no intelligence and no integrity.

      malcolm.molver - 2012-06-16 15:35

      If contradicting oneself was a sport, then these morons would be world champions!

      maseratifittipaldi - 2012-06-16 15:38

      This is known as fusion economics. A lot of confusion with a generous infusion of illusion and diffusion. Very similar to ablution pollution.

  • Henk - 2012-06-16 15:01

    But the people already own 28% of all industry in SA!

  • hudayfah.newman - 2012-06-16 15:03

    julius is that you?

      Hadebe - 2012-06-16 16:31

      No. Its verwoed.

      hudayfah.newman - 2012-06-16 18:18

      either way, thats still a lot of rubbish.

  • Juan - 2012-06-16 15:04

    Economic freedom according to ANCYL = stealing without impediment. If anybody have any legitimate claim to land you can use the land claim court you idiots.

      Stephen Radebe - 2012-06-16 15:19

      I agree with you their must go to court.

  • Kevin - 2012-06-16 15:07

    Economic freedom can only come through having an education, a skill and hard work - the ANCYL should focus on these key issues - The ANCYL has already failed the youth and future generations....

      nozukol - 2012-06-16 15:35

      I m with you on that Kevin.

  • jason.becker.969 - 2012-06-16 15:13

    I'm all up for returning land to the indigenous people...the Khoi San. Starting with the millions of hectares worth of government owned land. As for the African National Criminal Youth League and their ancestors who came from north n central Africa much later on guess're not gonna get a thing. \we want\!...\we demund\ etc. well we tax paying south Africans \demund\ that u stop thinking the world owes u a living, get up off your lazy backsides, get an EDUCATION and WORK like everybody else! And as more nationalisation of mines your \ancestors\ knew nothing of gold/diamonds etc b4 whitey got there so how can u demand a share in something u had absolutely no hand in discovering and no knowledge of its existence? Point to ponder...if u take the farms (and I suggest u learn how to dodge bullets if intend on trying) whos gonna feed u?? Do u know how to farm? You'll starve! one last time sing, \kill the boer\ or wish that we \went back to holland\ take a close look at parts of east Africa which never got colonised. All u see is pestilence, no running water n starving children with bulging bellies and flies in their face....and be grateful we DID come to south Africa's shores.

      alansmartSnr - 2012-06-19 23:20

      Together with the State owned land and all the land your useless chiefs and their families own.. you guys (fellow South Africans) already posess at least 85% of all the land in South Africa. Do a bit of homework and you will see that this is a fact.

  • Philip Buys - 2012-06-16 15:13

    Moonsammy seems to forget that she is also not indigenous to this country, just like all in the Nandos ad...

      DonaldMathrayPerumal - 2012-06-16 15:24

      @Philip Buys Try NOT to get caught up with race.Magdalene is neither talking on behalf of "Indians" nor articulating their thoughts.She just needs to justify the millions she earns so she echoes her masters ill conceived thoughts. Its time the Khoi San or their dependents started demanding their land back before we address the land question.

      Hermann - 2012-06-16 15:32

      @Donald. You forget the Khoi were nomads and nomads never owned land they merely temporarily occupied until the resources were depleted and then moved on to deplete elsewhere.

      DonaldMathrayPerumal - 2012-06-16 15:45

      @HermanH I am aware that the Khoi were nomads but they were the first inhabitants and I expect them to claim the land.

      CharlesDumbwin - 2012-06-16 16:24

      She is being used by the ANCYL. She is a token and they will dispose of her as soon as they've used her.

      judith.taylor.56 - 2012-06-16 16:36

      Perhaps we should all go back to being nomads - problem solved ;)

  • Simon - 2012-06-16 15:17

    Wtf is "Economic Freedom"?

      sizwe.bwana - 2012-06-16 15:27

      The freedom to take anything you like - same as affirmative shopping

  • madoda.monamudi - 2012-06-16 15:17

    ANC government has failed the Nation and youth. We need new structure and Leadership sorry Mr Zuma u don't deserve the second term. I remember u Thabo Mbheki.

      DonaldMathrayPerumal - 2012-06-16 15:28

      Hi So you don't want Zuma because he won't give you the opportunity for "land grabs".Zuma is wiser than most Malemas think.As far as Malema is concerned he wants leadership that listens to him and governs "through" him.There are some very desperate comrades out there who don't mind being his "biatch"

  • sizwe.bwana - 2012-06-16 15:19

    ANCYL have failed the youth with empty promises and no delivery. Have another J

  • glencoe.maseko - 2012-06-16 15:20

    Yes Defend economic freedom frm the ANCYL

  • sizwe.bwana - 2012-06-16 15:30

    Otherwise known as affirmative shopping. Something we hold a world record in.

  • gerhard.kress.3 - 2012-06-16 15:32

    Economic freedom is an illusion just like everything else the ANCYL comes up with. They should be disbanded for leading the youth astray.

  • nozukol - 2012-06-16 15:34

    Education first then economic freedom...... Its just funny some of in these young politicians could not even finish their degrees and they tell us about economic freedom. I doubt that they know the meaning of the word.

      CharlesDumbwin - 2012-06-16 16:24

      Economic freedom without education will be the economic collapse of South Africa.

      Sharon - 2012-06-17 20:50

      never mind the degrees,most of them never finished school

  • Brad.Kopping - 2012-06-16 15:38

    If you're a white,indian or colored you're not considered "youth" in the ANCYL's their racist vendetta you have to be black to be considered a youth person. Makes me sick.

      Hadebe - 2012-06-16 16:29

      Unamanga shame.

      zelda.gerber.9 - 2012-06-16 18:46

      And the current actual youth of this country wasn't even apart of the apartheid era..

      Sharon - 2012-06-17 20:51

      and under 50

  • Alfred - 2012-06-16 15:44

    I wish one of these yoof leegers would give us the definition of "economic freedom" because from I can gather it seems to be politically correct euphemism for theft and free s**t. If you want to be "economically free" then go to school and get a job like everyone else. You have AA and BEE, if still can't pull it off then I'm afraid you're going to have to take a long hard look at yourself and think about where you're pointing the eternally extended finger of blame.

      Sharon - 2012-06-17 20:53

      bud they find a word or a phrase that has a nice ring to it then they go on and on with it,then comes christmas,you know- three weeks off so they forget the word and start looking for a new one,who can take this lot seriously

  • braamc - 2012-06-16 15:45

    If it had one more brain cell it would bark

  • Rouen - 2012-06-16 16:13

    According to the ANCYL "Econmic Freedom" it is getting for free what others work for. They conveniently forget that all the farms, large businesses and industries was built by intelligence, hard work, long hours, risk taking, investment and personal sacrifice. Are they willing to work 16 hour days and weekends? Would they risk their own money? Would they pay insurance in case the harvest gets decimated by weather? Would they spend money to improve the lives of the people on their farms by building schools and houses on the farms? They want free all means..but do they know that getting a degree requires hard work, studying, going to class and getting by on little sleep? The problem with "The Youth" is the culture of "I want this and I want that"...instead of "What must I do to earn this or that" Last week this genius said that we must not fear if international investors run away......So lets KFC,Coke,BMW,Mercedes,Audi,Sony,Levi`s,Iphones,McDonalds or fancy suits for the comrades to spend the money they got from their Economic Freedom plan on. Unfortunatly it takes intelligence and common sense to understand these things of what the ANCYL has none.

      ratsaka.eugene - 2012-06-16 16:26

      You are very naïve. If u for one second think that all those fancy companies are here because they love our country, you are in for a nasty suprise. Its all about their pocket, they look at the market demand, that's all. Whether I invade your farm, or you call me bobejaan, they care less, all they need, wet wick, is to sell that Merc, or that BMW or that Levi's jean and fill their pocket, that's common sense. I'll tell, not that I agree with land grabbing, international investors need us as much as we need them.

      Mtshezi Yonk'insipho Iyawasha Mkhize - 2012-06-16 16:34

      U make a lot of sense but your statements are fueled by too much generalization, who says Black people wana take for free? Are u opposed to the redistribution of wealth, which lies with your kind?

      brendon.nel.7 - 2012-06-16 17:33

      Don't u think statement \your kind\ is fueled by generalization? I'm of\ that kind\ yet fly econimicaly by the seat of my pants, supporting a family and all the other expenses of a new apparently \free\ south africa. I have no property stolen by myself or any relative in years past, infact own no property. I don't have much, but I've worked my ass of for what I have. This thing of black aand white problems is a load of crap and we allow it to be so. The only problem that is real is human problems.that my friend is what the struggle was really about. The desire to be treated as an equal, to be treated as a human being.

      Lacrimose - 2012-06-16 19:11

      Not to mention the manufrs of anti-retrovirals, vaccines, almost all the plant and machinery used in mines, manufacturing and engineering. Oil and its refining processes without which nothing will move, all the trucks and ships that move goods in out and around the country, just about every bit of technology from the SIM in your cell (and your cell) to the super-computers used at universities. Look around you - there's very little we make here - it all comes from somewhere else. And the things that are made/assembled here can just as easily be made/assembled anywhere else.

      Rouen - 2012-06-16 22:22

      @ratsake- Big companies spend billions on investment and create thousands of jobs. Big demand needs a big supply that needs PEOPLE TO WORK. If they leave not only will more people be out of work but less money in the economy in total because those peope would have spent their salaries.That is economics 101. Simple enough for you? @Mtshezi - Of course im making a general statement, ANCYL does not refer to a specific person. Well, it is clear that the YL doesnt want to pay for the farms, so of course they want it for free. In principle I have no issue with redistibuting wealth. I have an issue with one person working and another getting for free. Less than a million people in SA is already carrying close to 90% of the total tax burden. So now you want to double tax? Why doesn`t the government spend less money on fancy cars, airplane tickets, houses and redistribute that money? Did you know that South Africa`s budget deficit could be made up my just controlling spending on travel by ministers? So by all means redistribute, but do it fairly and stop wasting money "my kind" is working for.

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      alansmartSnr - 2012-06-19 23:37

      If it does come to dispossesing the land,... make no mistake, the legal owners will exercise a "Scorched Earth Policy". After that you can take the ruins .. and slowly starve to death. This is not a threat..Like you YL guys, we also have a culture, and that is part of it.

  • hannes.vanwyk.9 - 2012-06-16 16:46

    Once everything is Nationalized who is going to work in these mines? Slaves? Does that then mean work will still have to be done. The lazy thieves will give the mines back to the owners. Could have sworn Eskom is a national asset, but I still pay for electricity. Wake up youth league. Remember R1 billion profit from a mine, divided by 45 million is only R22 per person. Hope that puts new tires on your Range Rover Julius.

      alansmartSnr - 2012-06-19 23:44

      @ hannes.vanwyk.9.. me thinks he's hitch hiking around the country now. With SARS having taken their cut and the "Repossesion guys watching his assests (..and lol, the garden boy still waiting for his wages) he's not drinking his blue label anymore.

  • Ronald - 2012-06-16 16:51

    It is easy for Magdalene Moonsamy to talk while she is pulling a salary of R1,2 Million per year according to ANCYL financials. As soon as the struggle icons or the new ANC Youth reach positions where they rake in the money, the people they represent are forgotten and only lip service is given to the problems at hand.

      Terry Wiegand - 2012-06-17 09:08

      Moonsamy Indigenous? If the so called economic freedom ever happens and the return of land to the indigenous people of south Africa ever happens you will be out and back in your indigenous land a very wealthy person if one looks at the 1,2 mil salary she takes home. A Indian doctor once told me " behind every corrupt political official there is an Indian"( A QUOTE NOT MY VIEWS) after the Zoom zoom sheik relationship been ruled as corrupt. So now I have to begin to wonder what her motives are?

      DonaldMathrayPerumal - 2012-06-17 11:26

      @Terry Wiegand In the apartheid years a white doctor told me behind every political hit there was a White businessman.This business was apparently sponsored by the "turd force with govt money" , This bull about Indians being behind corrupt officials is not only racist,no matter who said it but incorrect. Greedy people ,both black and white are behind corrupt politicians.These are the same people that say crime is out of control!

  • Odwa - 2012-06-16 16:54

    Ancyl must fight until the end the youth need economical freedom by taking and mines under goverment.

      marius.vandenberg.77 - 2012-06-20 03:45

      you really have no idea what freedom or economical you Odwa?

  • Beverley Ainsworth - 2012-06-16 16:55

    maybe if the poor would spend less time and energy on making babies and more time on doing honest work and be worthy of their earnings, then they might just have enough money to survive. you are only worth what you earn!

      alansmartSnr - 2012-06-19 23:54

      I have no problem giving them the mines.. 6 months down the line they will be confronted with their own unions.. mines will work at a loss, and go the same way as the mines which they already tried to control and are building up losses of millions of rand. They just dont have the capacity to make things work. eg, schools, hospitals, municipalities, Police ect.

  • Deon Du Plessis - 2012-06-16 16:59

    @hannes.vanwyk. Dude, that is just the point. Nobody stops and asks, mmmm ok how are the mines going to supply this "economic freedom"? Anybody with any form of sence

  • Deon Du Plessis - 2012-06-16 17:03

    ....... Will see it is physically impossible for the mines to carry 45mil. People. What do the masses think will happen when everything is nationalized? Do they think that now all of a sudden they would not have to work, that these mines are going to give hem HUGE salaries? Other that a few top guys, the masses will be dependent on the top few SUPER rich. Look at the history of nationalization, every single time it reared it head, it has failed dismally. But do the Malema's of he world tell the people that?

  • Sphesihle Sibiya - 2012-06-16 17:16

    what ever you fools are smoking is not good for you..

      Deon Du Plessis - 2012-06-16 17:39

      Ok, all jokes aside, maybe I don't understand the "economic freedom" correctly. Spheshile, please explain what the youth hopes to obtain by getting the "freedom" they so desire. I am being serious, please explain it to me.

      Deon Du Plessis - 2012-06-16 17:55

      @netswera and how has the ANC been doing for 18years? What have they successfully implemented? How is the schooling sector doing, health, home affairs, saps, military, service delivery? How did life improve for he masses during this time? Let's not go prior 94' but in he time there after? Where are the 1000 000 houses promised, the better life? 1993 unemployment 12.3% in 2012 unemployment 25.5%, how is this bettering people's lives?

  • kseyffert - 2012-06-16 17:53

    You are stupid. The youth should be looking to their education, not being blindsided by your economic suicide masquerading as solutions to problems brought about by lack of education and willingness to work hard.

  • ina.cripps - 2012-06-16 18:09

    Moonsamy a little moonstrucky?

  • Lacrimose - 2012-06-16 19:12

    Mining used to form 66% of GDP in 1994, it now makes up barely 7% - with nothing having taken its place. We've all seen how well govt and BEE have done at running mines. Australia now outproduces us in mining sector - which is just embarrassing. So please have your mine and see how far you get. Just remember the unions are part of the deal too.

  • olebogeng.xhobe - 2012-06-16 20:30

    the freedom charter

  • anthonie.vanbosch - 2012-06-16 20:30

    We need to look after the children. In Northern Kwazulu-Natal, some children are being placed in hostels partly funded with funds raised from individuals and businesses. Ladysmith has a Child and Youth Centre and is facing possible closure due to lack of funds but is kept going by hard working staff. If you have some money, please think of these places where they have programs running to develop a better future for these children and eventually security for us all. The end result may be adults leaving these places with good morals and integrity and hopefully they will find a perfect job somewhere. More of these NGO projects equal less crime at some point in the future. These children need moral support as well as they struggle a lot after leaving these homes when they reach 18. They also struggle in school and many of them will start with something, for example a sport but will give up after a while.

  • Steven Trollip - 2012-06-16 21:01

    Youth to bussy toi-toi ing and burning tyres!

  • Phelamanga - 2012-06-16 21:34

    This economic freedom idea seems to be like some kind of gift that can be given to undeserving people. The ANCYL should have a policy shift away from the outdated ideology of communism and start to agitate for the things that really affect the youth like better education, the building of schools, teachers' training colleges, and more universities. They should campaign for the youth to work harder in order to become better educated, and they should mount anti-drug, anti-rape, anti-alcohol campaigns to create a more informed and compassionate youth. They should encourage the youth to help their communities become better and they should be strong advocates for the protection of the environment. Nationalisation of the mines and land will be of no use of there are not enough people who are qualified to work in these areas, and degraded environment will not be able to sustain the youth in their lives. The ANCYL will have to think for themselves, which is not all that easy as there is no Das Kapital or Communist Manifesto. It comes from thinking and being intelligent.

  • lerato.kay.3 - 2012-06-17 05:34

    Its time the ANC gvt act on the land issue, they must be firm and not apologetic. Land ownership must reflect our demographics, I'm tired of people who dismiss the land issue with the same rhetoric that blacks only want handouts can't farm. There are millions of poor black people because they lack land ownership, talk about teaching a man to fish! How can you fish if there is no river, dam or even a pond? If there are people who benefited and are still benefiting from freebies are some section of apartheid babies. Go to Stellenbosch and see what freebies are, there are white guys who bought land for a song from the apartheid gvt just before apartheid's demise. There are farmers who are still enjoying 99yr leases on those wine farms. They can use these leases as collateral when applying for loans. How am I expected to compete on the same level with such a person. The gvt must empower blacks and be proud !

  • jj.needham - 2012-06-17 09:44

    I also want to seriously take part in this kind of Economic Freedom...I want a BMW X6....Yeaa..

  • Andricca - 2012-06-17 18:58

    You are likely to be labelled stupid, I urge you, the ANCYL not to retreat, continue to raise the alarm, and indeed defy anybody who seek to delay economic freedom for fear or greed, we will negotiate feasibility later when everybody has accepted the urgency of the issues being raised - it is a good strategy of getting the attention from your enemies - irritate them with all these nationalization thing much as you can

  • marius.vandenberg.77 - 2012-06-20 03:38

    Don't stone the messenger. She is at least educated and will hopefully take her place in politics and do some meaningful work to uplift the masses. On the other hand how does a well educated female that has so much to offer get involved with the bad apples of the ANCYL. How can she possibly see a future in this?? The ANCYL is the absolute epitome of what have become of our youth in SA. No real direction, no policy, no good insightful and meaningful discussion, no leadership. When last did the ANCYL used its power, muscle, collective ideas of the youth to give us reason to think that the youth of this country has something to offer?

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