Youth unhappy with Mangaung process

2012-11-12 12:08

Johannesburg - The youth are dissatisfied with the way the country's next president will be elected, according to a survey released on Monday.

"It is clear that young people feel the electoral process at Mangaung is not a true reflection of democracy," said Shirley Wakefield, of consumer insights company Pondering Panda.

"They do not believe that the ANC should rely on 4 000 delegates to decide the election of the next ANC president, and therefore the person most likely to be the next president of South Africa."

The survey polled 3 371 South Africans aged between 18 and 34 across the country. About 51% felt all citizens should be entitled to vote for the next president, not just the delegates at Mangaung.

Only one in four (25%) felt the current system was how democracy worked. Thirteen percent felt all ANC members should have a vote, rather than all South Africans. Eleven percent were unable to decide.

Further disillusionment

Pondering Panda said there was no significant difference across ages or provinces, but opinions differed according to race.

Young black South Africans were the most likely to feel Mangaung was in line with how democracy worked, with 29% approving of the current system.

However, 47% of the black youth felt everybody should be entitled to vote. About 70% of white and Indians, and 66% of coloureds, felt all South Africans should be part of the process.

Wakefield said: "Despite a strong desire amongst the youth for all South Africans to help decide the next leader of the ANC, young people are unlikely to be given a say, which may result in further disillusionment with the political process, and affect youth turnout in 2014."

The ANC is holding its national elective conference in Mangaung next month.

  • lsfreak - 2012-11-12 12:16

    "About 51% felt all citizens should be entitled to vote for the next president" like WTF this is the cANCer vote not a national vote... If we all get to vote in just one party then we are really a "One" party state at least now we feel like we have a say :/

      sakhile.gamede - 2012-11-12 12:27

      yes we im getting tired of the ANC,look at what they are doing to Lanesia..

      Msakatyane - 2012-11-12 13:12

      but isfreak we are a one party state since 94 theres only been 1 party at the helm and the nxt national elections are also gonna go 2 them

      roiboss - 2012-11-12 13:37

      You people must be the most daft people I know, since when is south africa a one party state, we have more than 6 parties and anyone is allowed to start a party. This here is an internal ANC process and I don't know where you lot get it from that this is a national election, we have those after every five years. Stupid really

      lsfreak - 2012-11-12 14:55

      @roiboss- "The survey polled 3 371 South Africans aged between 18 and 34 across the country. *About 51% felt all citizens should be entitled to vote for the next president*, not just the delegates at Mangaung." Read it nicely... Wait I'll help you you are correct that this is a internal matter, but if you read the part between the STARS it implies that 51% of the people surveyed want to vote for the President and not have one placed there by the party that wins.

      DrGonzoSA - 2012-11-12 14:57

      It's a defacto single party state. The ANC are not going to lose in the forseeable future, hence they can do whatever the hell they like. SA will never have a true democracy until the ANC splits, which will hopefully be very soon

  • sakhile.gamede - 2012-11-12 12:17

    let us vote our next president in...the percentages are just overrated but...

  • wesley.bischoff - 2012-11-12 12:24

    It's true. The electoral process is flawed. But then so is the ANC, so it's their cup of tea.

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-11-12 14:48

      Actually no, i am English, and so are my parents. I do, however, find your blatant generalisation of all white people to be very offensive. Take your racist bullsh*t somewhere else, f**knut.

      colin.dovey - 2012-11-12 17:05

      @Roiboss - "you can see by thought patterns" that somebody speaks a particular language, and therefore acts in a particular way? Amazing my friend, you have JUST discovered the Holy Grail that Psychologists have been striving to unearth for millennia. Actually, you are spouting unjustified bile. Why can't you address the issue - the electoral process IS flawed - none of us, including you, cannot elect our parliamentary representatives directly, as well as the person that eventually becomes "President". What this means, is that we ALL get the "President" of the ANC foisted on us. And we all know how corrupt HE is, simply because the ANC has now become totally corrupt.

  • sdstock - 2012-11-12 12:30

    I believe that South Africa should follow the truly democratic USA model - 1. all South Africans be given the democratic right to vote in their preferred Presidential candidate and 2. their preferred political party.

      frans.visserdsb - 2012-11-12 12:44

      the American model is not quite a truly democratic one - americans vote per state, and it's an all-or-nothing vote, with each state having a predetermined number of electoral votes. So if California with the biggest population votes 100% for one candidate, and every other state the other candidate wins by 1 vote, the other candidate would win by a landslide, even though the majority of Americans by popular vote went the other way. This is a hangover from their Federal status. A better solution would be a two-tier election, where the president gets elected purely by popular vote, and the MPs get elected on a ward system.

  • thabang.bonang.7 - 2012-11-12 12:33

    This is ANC elections and not general elections. Simple as that.

      Eterni80 - 2012-11-12 12:50

      simple it may be, but corrupt it is - even a blind man can see that.

      malebo.chadi - 2012-11-12 13:02

      I actually agree with that. I'm no ANC fan, but the conference in Mangaung is an ANC conference, not RSA. Sure it affects who potentially becomes RSA president, but I hate it when people moan about things like these, as if there's no choice. You do have a choice, vote for another party. And you cant complain about the so-called uneducated masses, you're not in charge of their decisions. There's nothing really wrong with the system, the electorate as far as I know are not forced to vote for the ANC at the general elections... blackmailed, yes, but forced... I dont think so. But the point remains, the option to choose which party you want, is open to everyone equally.

      patrick.gardner.186 - 2012-11-12 13:33

      I am no ANC fan nore supporter, but Thabang makes a fair point!

      roiboss - 2012-11-12 13:40

      Well. Said Thabang now for once a person that actually sees things as they are, not so difficult is it

  • peter.jefferies.90 - 2012-11-12 12:38

    I agree, South Africa never gets to vote for the President they want. The decision is left up to a bunch of corrupt individuals looking out for their own interests!!

      roiboss - 2012-11-12 13:09

      That's the most stupid thing I have ever had mate and I must say you are a very daft fellow, its either you ignorant, stupid or both

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-11-12 14:50

      @roiboss I think your mother was a drunkard or took drugs when you were in the womb, coz F**K; your way of thinking is seriously screwed up.

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-11-12 14:51

      And just btw, this has nothing to do with race, but about stupidity.

  • bosveld.reaper - 2012-11-12 12:42

    Realy? We have no say as to who become president!

  • imtiaz.osman.5 - 2012-11-12 12:42

    They must form they own party

  • ben.alexander.16144 - 2012-11-12 12:44

    The whole one-man-one-vote system is flawed, it allows for the uneducated and mostly non-contributing citizens to be in control of the productive and mostly educated citizens, dictating to them through their corrupt and inept leaders how to live. This "democracy" of SA is bringing the country to a fall.

      irene.buthelezi.1 - 2012-11-12 14:59

      No tax number, no vote. Finished and klaar. It's the bottom feeders that are draining the economy and as a taxpayer, I'm sick and tired of funding their ever increasing families.

  • sthembiso.jali.50 - 2012-11-12 12:46

    I alwayz thought the process was ridiculos. But im down there on the ground level, nobody heres or listens to me.

      tony.angel.3975 - 2012-11-12 14:46

      Ja,and you cant even spell!

  • thabo.mkokeli - 2012-11-12 12:46

    we should elect the exact way the US do,that is pure elective democracy.

      AceOfSpades - 2012-11-12 14:04


  • Eterni80 - 2012-11-12 12:49

    since when has the ANC ever been about truth/honesty/democracy ? Another National Crisis

  • tkmatewa - 2012-11-12 12:49

    All south africans must vote?DA ,IFP,F.F.Plus etc can not vote for the next ANC president who is by majority vote likely to be the country's leader in 2014.

  • gmungomezi - 2012-11-12 12:59

    This is an ANC internal \r\nprocess.There are general elections where everyone is free to choose their president.

  • theMichaelHawthorne - 2012-11-12 13:05

    Anc supporters outnumber any other party's voters by a 100 000... even though they still live in shacks till this day... I vote for no president.... cause there is no government who isn't corrupt in some way...

  • mitch.dhooghe - 2012-11-12 13:11

    Time to get rid of this " buddy- buddy" voting system.....4000 "delegates" is not a true reflection of democracy. Judging on current presidential performance this system is mega flawed!!!!

  • bibi.vanzyl - 2012-11-12 13:19

    The eligible voters should vote, the current process is not democratic at all. Or at least the tax payers.

  • john.morreira.9 - 2012-11-12 13:21

    Democracy can only work,if the people are educated to some degree. In South Africa,a combination of a illiterate/semi-literate population,together with racism and tribalism, makes a mockery of the democratic process.

  • vaughan.lund - 2012-11-12 13:24

    South Africa, Democracy. Ha ha ha ha...

  • tnmunyai - 2012-11-12 13:25

    No logic in this article. ANC is going to elect its own president using its own drafted policy. Parties must work hard to remove ANC from power in 2014.

  • simphiwe.cele.9 - 2012-11-12 13:31

    We are just ddebating here with no influence so join the Anc so that yu become part of the decision stop throwing discussion with no basis , i don expert non members of the anc to understand anc processes and policies

  • michael.jackwood - 2012-11-12 13:54

    They must join ANC, then they will understand that at branch level all members have the say on who must be the president. If you are outside in the cold, you cant understand ofcause! There is no better political home than the ANC.

  • altus.kirsten - 2012-11-12 13:58

    ...and the wheel is round....

  • sbudahboy - 2012-11-12 14:02

    I wonder who is this youth that news always refer to , i am below 35 and still very happy with JZ's leadership

      mbambo.shi - 2012-11-12 19:42

      Heita!!, Sbuda. This is what we're referring to. Putting someone on the helm, not because he/she can do the work, but based on loyalty. It's quite obvious that if 51% of the delegates have their hands in the jar, under Juju's help for instance, they'll return their favour through votes. A bit biased according to my opinion.

  • darren.raath.5 - 2012-11-12 14:15

    what do the youth even know about democracy.they dont even know how to spell the damn word.

  • Tarone.Net - 2012-11-12 15:11

    How an orginisation run their affairs is their choice but how we vote in 2014 is the democratic right bestowed to every south african, whether brainwashed or enlightened. There is nothing wrong with the current electoral system, but everything wrong with opposition parties without branches in remote areas. Come 2014 my vote will redeem South Africa.

  • george.mnisi.31 - 2012-11-12 15:30

    DA youth not happy with ANC election procedure. The DA refused to disclose it membership because it was a confidential matter. Where was the youth?

  • thembalethu.kantoyanto - 2012-11-12 15:53

    Those Buffons no wonder why they don't take us serious when we vote for them but we never b part of those who elect the party president. And they not even accountable to us bt only to stupid of bunch of 4000 delegates

  • tlababa.mosamedi - 2012-11-12 15:55

    Those who want US electoral system must go to live in America.ANC conference is not run by electorate but by members through their branches which are accessable in every ward throughout South Africa.

  • Silas Hlahla - 2012-11-12 16:03

    bogus opinion poll aimed at satisfying misguided white tendencies that despise anything black

  • sbchinji - 2012-11-12 16:33

    The survey is more or less a useless exercise. What would be the use of elections if you get the South Africa to vote for ANC President? Wouldn't it be a repeation. Let the ANC members vote for their President just as the DA, COPE, IFP, NFP or FF+ would do. However I think what the survey should do is if citizens are happy with the status quo of GENERAL ELECTIONS. Is the current current election system working? Probably what South Africa should do is change from general election to Presidential and Parliamentary elections. This will give the citizens more say in the decision of electing the Head of State than the current system. The current system forces the citizen to express their loyality to the party even if the President of that particular party is not what one wants.

  • kholwani.sokulu - 2012-11-12 16:55

    The youth should learn to shut up and focus on things that really concern them like getting an education. We need more scientists and accountants, so one day they can contribute to the success of this country. Problem with the youth of today is\r\nthat they are too forward. They are taking 'freedom of speech' and their rights to another level.

  • sna.thambo - 2012-11-13 12:29

    were is the problem here? Anc vote for their candidate to lead the party. So if you dont like the party or leader you habe the democratic right to Vote for Dagga party etc.. wats the noise about that 4000 pple vote for the country??? 4000 vote for their Partys leader. Over 5 million vote for the country. !!

  • phaladi.motsai.3 - 2012-11-15 16:32

    Zuma takes our money and play with it,meanwhile we are living in poor society

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