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Zille explains 'Gupta' donation

2013-01-30 16:20

Cape Town - Democratic Alliance leader Helen Zille on Wednesday shed more light on donations worth R400 000 from an associate of the Gupta family and one of their companies.

Addressing reporters at Parliament, Zille did not deny writing a letter, published in The New Age (TNA) newspaper, in which she thanks Atul Gupta for a donation to her party.

TNA is owned by the Guptas, who are believed to have ties to President Jacob Zuma.

Zille explained the letter was sent before she was informed a R200 000 donation, received in 2009 for the party's election campaign, came from Stefan Nel, a Sahara Computers executive director.

The Guptas own Sahara and Atul Gupta is the company's managing director.

Zille said she was under the impression the cheque came from Sahara and not Nel in his personal capacity.

Until now, Zille had not named the donor, citing a promise to maintain confidentiality.

Zille said Nel later wrote another cheque for R100 000 to the DA. The party also received an electronic transfer of R100 000 from Islandsite Investments, which is also linked to the Gupta family.

Zille insisted there was nothing wrong with the donations, as there was no scandal involving the Guptas when the money was accepted in 2009 and early 2010.

She later instructed the DA's fundraising department "to have nothing to do with the Gupta family or any of their companies".

"Early in 2011 when I started getting concerned they [the Guptas] may be channelling money to the DA via Mr Nel, I gave instructions, that's in the file, [that there will be] no more fundraising from Mr Nel... It's all recorded."

Zille said the DA would not return any of the money.

Citizen

Also on Wednesday, Zille said she wanted an independent probe into the funding of TNA newspaper.

"I have today [Wednesday] written to President Jacob Zuma to request that he appoint a judicial commission of inquiry, headed by a retired judge, to investigate the funding of The New Age."

She said the newspaper was almost entirely funded with taxpayers' money, and claimed 77% its advertising revenue came from national and provincial government departments, and state entities.

She drew parallels with the apartheid-era scandal involving The Citizen, which was set up and funded with state money.

"All the evidence points to the same thing: the ANC are using public money, both overtly and covertly, to fund a newspaper which is openly favourable to their government."

Zille and TNA executives have been engaged in a public spat, after she refused to speak at one of their business breakfasts because it was being funded with public money.

Comments
  • Louwhan - 2013-01-30 16:24

    Done and dusted.

      shelley.pembroke.3 - 2013-01-30 16:26

      We should invent a game in which each time a politician needs to explain a link to the Guptas, a family in need gets fed and housed.

      johan.jacobs.5680 - 2013-01-30 16:49

      The Snakepit of politics.

      ronald.stilianou - 2013-01-30 16:49

      This it what I want in a political party, TRANSPARENCY!

      moriri.mosweu - 2013-01-30 16:51

      The fact is she categorically denied taking money from the Guptas. Whether she took 1c or how much is not the fact of the matter.

  • charlesbronson.bronson - 2013-01-30 16:25

    You can explain Zille, but when will the countries most corrupted tax thief explain all his corruption tenders and schemes.

      stirrer.stirrer - 2013-01-30 16:41

      Which one of all the ANC exec and cadres are you talking about? All of them?

  • michael.taylorw - 2013-01-30 16:28

    at least she explains. When last did the anc attempt to explain anything. Their policy is deny then ignore...

      ivy.malema.3 - 2013-01-30 16:33

      She explained that she received money from the people she claimed are corruptors of the ANC, just like she attended their breakfast last year and all of time she denied

      craigduggan123 - 2013-01-30 16:34

      Yes @michael.taylorw you are absolutely correct. It would be a refreshing change if we could get some responses from the ANC president directly, as is the case with Mrs Zille. At least she has 'balls' to stand up for herself.

      danalexsmith - 2013-01-30 16:37

      @ivy.malema. isn't it refreshing to hear someone being transparent. if only all parties were the same. it would be a great place to start.

      jacques.theron.3304 - 2013-01-30 17:00

      Ivy, the moment she had suspicions about the source of the money, she cut off all funding from that direction. Did you even read the article? Furthermore, the Guptas still fun the ANC...they never stopped the funding in that direction when it started to seem like they might just not be above water. But yea...DA = Bad...no matter what they do I assume...and ANC = Good no matter what they do.

      motlalepula.sompane - 2013-01-30 17:26

      and don't nobody be claiming all that: "she aint spending billions on Nkandla bla bla bla". She's not in the position to dunk hands in that Jar so she can't spend from the Jar now can she? arg please man - she doesn't even have Nkandla - unless there's something of the sort overseas

  • customdesign - 2013-01-30 16:30

    Vat hom fluffy!

  • brandon.buckley.79 - 2013-01-30 16:33

    Thank you for your honesty Madam Zille! If we can take a short break, and await Mr. Zuma's confession as to his ties with the Gupta family...??? And hell froze over...THE END

  • ivy.malema.3 - 2013-01-30 16:37

    After denying she had any association with them in breakfast and getting money she finally decided to come with another version, I would not be surprised if tommorrow she can come with her fourth version of her truth the DA style. The supporters in all the versions said she is telling the truth

      greg.meyer.543 - 2013-01-30 16:45

      What are you talking about?

      rontheogre - 2013-01-30 16:57

      Ivy, once you remove the chip from your shoulder and think about what she said, you will realize that what she said is backed up by bank statements, cancelled cheques and notarized instructions. She first had to do her homework, not like Zuma that just says the first thing on his mind where Mac the Mouth then has to play goal keeper while Zuma walks off the field.

      jacques.theron.3304 - 2013-01-30 17:01

      So far...she has been telling the same story...just with more details as she kept getting pushed. But you cant seem to see that.

  • nkosi.khumalo.33 - 2013-01-30 16:38

    The DA must return the money then. You can't have your cake and eat it at the same time. HYPOCRACY!!!!!!

      Vaughan - 2013-01-30 16:49

      The ANC must return the more than 100 billion it's lost through corruption.

      murray.mac.1 - 2013-01-30 17:01

      What's wrong with getting a donation? The problem comes when the party uses public funds to pay them back (and there is no evidence of this).

      jacques.theron.3304 - 2013-01-30 17:02

      Then the ANC must return all millions they have received from the Guptas as well. :)

      motlalepula.sompane - 2013-01-30 17:29

      accepting money from corrupt parties makes you corrupt, in principle. just as buying stolen goods makes you a thief.

  • marc.ross.965 - 2013-01-30 16:39

    All this could be avoided if ALL donations to political parties were disclosed openly and available to the public and press. I see no reason for donations to be confidential under any circumstance. Weather they be from companies or members of the public there should be nothing to hide. Confidential donations lead to allegations /suspicions of bribery etc If companies such as FNB, ABSA etc want to make donations, their customers should have access to this information.

      jacques.theron.3304 - 2013-01-30 17:02

      Talk to the ANC...they put in this rule.

  • magoro.mags - 2013-01-30 16:41

    R400 000 is Nathi Mthethwa 's weekly s pocket money,at taxpayers expense....

  • craig.gwasira - 2013-01-30 16:42

    Return the money since you now know the devil you have been sleeping with. Wash your hands DA and continue with this amicable spirit of trnsparency.

  • thabani.alfred - 2013-01-30 16:43

    Wherether she explains or not it doesn't change da fact that she received donations from da so called funders of ANC and she denied it!!how many more things will she explain only when she is exposed!!..so during elections,all of u white folks were wearing blue t.shirts from gupta..lol

      lydonmcg - 2013-01-30 16:59

      The funders of the ANC are taxpayers. She accepted no money from taxpayers.

      laughton.martin - 2013-01-30 17:44

      ag put a sock in it.when your fingers are dirty dont point it at others.why not ask the cANCer to grow a pair and tell them to explain where all the taxpayers money went instead of havin Mac writing speeches for showergoat

  • strikeback.strikeback - 2013-01-30 16:44

    The Gupta family should follow Patrice Motsephe's example and donate their family's wealth to the poor. After all, that is who they took it from. www.strikeback.co.za

  • pws69 - 2013-01-30 16:46

    http://www.noseweek.co.za/article/2897/NOTES-Former-Goldfields-CEO-recalls-a-visit-to-Nkandla-and-that-sinister-smile-on-Zumas-face Read it and weep. All the denials about Zumas corruption, exposed for all to see.

      pws69 - 2013-01-30 16:51

      "In the course of discussion I asked what the cost would be and the architect, standing next to me (who absolutely stank of booze) grinned and said ‘R12 to R14 million’. I turned to our foundation chief and said that that was about three times what we usually spend and asked what should the cost be for the design we were looking at. The answer: ‘about R5 or R6 million’. So I looked at the architect and asked ‘Where does the rest of the money go?’ He looked across the table at Zuma and Zuma just looked at me with this big smile."

  • unforgetteble.cakes - 2013-01-30 16:49

    Until now,Zille has no t named the donor,citing a promise to maitain confidentiality'en quote'.in this case,does confidentiality suits her nd no1 else?

      theo.konings.9 - 2013-01-30 17:00

      She just named him forgettable! Another product of education under cANCer !!!

      pws69 - 2013-01-30 17:04

      His name is in the article! You powers of comprehension are astounding to say the least.

      vaughan.lund - 2013-01-30 17:28

      @unforgetteble.cakes, You perfectly illustrate the uneducated nature of the people that will defend the ANC whilst the ANC is stealing right out of your pocket.

  • teddy.beer.319 - 2013-01-30 16:49

    In politics, when you are explaining, you are losing. I am a bit disappointed by the undulations in the DA's explanations. Whilst the die-hard supporter is quick to draw parallels and thank Helen for explaining, I believe that attempting to tell us that she didn't receive 'any' money from these people and then explaining that she 'did' receive it from their companies and executives at the Gupta residence sounds too sanitised a story. She simply could have said that 'we received funds from these people and stopped when we learnt more about them'. Apparently she says she even has a file about them, with a note that donations were to cease! Am not pleased by the handling of such a manageable matter. Bad PR.

  • pws69 - 2013-01-30 16:50

    I'll make a deal with you ANC sycophants who are insisting the DA return the money. When the ANC return the R30 million tainted money from Kebble and transfer the R6 BILLION tainted shareholding in Hitachi, for cooking the Power station tender, to the government, then the DA will return this money. Deal?

      terence.wessels - 2013-01-30 17:08

      Don't forget the 30 billion stolen EVERY year, 200 million Nkandla theft ect ect ad nausium

  • ivy.malema.3 - 2013-01-30 16:51

    Let me list Zille's lies which u believed 1. I didn't thank Transnet for the breakfast of Gupta then a video of her shown, Her response I read frm what my secretary wrote. 2. I received money frm executive of Gupta company not Gupta, a letter frm Zille thanking Gupta was shown, then her response in 2009 I was not aware Gupta was corrupt, I stopped dealing with them in 2010 but in 2012 she went to a breakfast hosted by Gupta and thanked them

      greg.meyer.543 - 2013-01-30 16:59

      1.) Someone asked her about something that happened 2 years prior. At that time, the truth about were the money was really going and coming from was not known. She thanked telkom for the sponsorship BEFORE finding out it was a corrupt event. 2.) She recieved the money from someone who worked for the Guptas's again BEFORE the truth came out about Gov giving them preference in exchange for sponsorship. When she found out the truth, (2 years ago) she stopped all communication and dealings with that family. Dont you see this is just to distract people from the real problem? Its called propoganda people.. Especially when it comes from a Newspaper that promotes the ANC. WAKE UP FFS

      pws69 - 2013-01-30 17:06

      Well said Suka.

      jacques.theron.3304 - 2013-01-30 17:55

      Ivy...please provide me with where she said she never thanked Transnet please, I never read that article. On point 2, she never said she got money from the Guptas, she said she had thought it had come from them and had thanked them for it. It turned out she had been mistaken and it had come from Mr Nel. Then, she got suspicious about the Guptas and then the source of the money, so she stopped DEALING with them in financial matters. The breakfast was just one of many events she attends.

  • stephan.butler.14 - 2013-01-30 16:58

    Ok so Mam Zille expalaind it. Now we want the ANC government to explain where tax payers money is going? Tax money is suppose to be used for maintanance to the country like jobs roads hospitals education housing and the list goes on ..... Mr Zuma's house? And why does the ANC government donate R90 million to Mali but they can't or don't want to make South Africa better for its own people and followers?

      pws69 - 2013-01-30 17:02

      It will take the ANC a while to explain where R2 TRILLION (R2 000,000,000,000-00) disappeared to. But I'm thinking their "consultants" are willing to try, for an (inflated) price.

  • semonatenate - 2013-01-30 17:00

    Lieg,

  • deleagagu - 2013-01-30 17:00

    Zille said the DA would not return any of the money.

  • thokozani.m.nhlengethwa - 2013-01-30 17:05

    Magogo return the money then......

  • gary.doyle.520 - 2013-01-30 17:06

    This is pocket change compared to what anc get but I wouldn't want anything from guptas or anything associated with them.

  • corneliusz1 - 2013-01-30 17:07

    you are a liar zille

      Erna - 2013-01-30 18:25

      And you know this how?

  • Hasani P - 2013-01-30 17:09

    Some white fellows are just so cool. Habouring self prejudice is number one problem amongst blacks. The relationship between the Guptas and the president is different from that of the DA. The president 's family members sit in the board of directors. The entire government para status are somewhat funding the activities of the Guptas. No justifiable explanation has been given. How is the country benefitting from these? There is nothing untoward in receiving a donation unconditionally

  • majaheni.magagula - 2013-01-30 17:09

    I think the fact is, when it comes to politics in this country, people follow their leaders no matter what. They even throw away their logic and choose to blindly support their leader no matter what. And that is plain dumb

  • abraham.karelse - 2013-01-30 17:10

    This was nothing but a well thought out plan by Guptas to get as many hands dirty and mouths shut as possible to execute their agenda.

  • hudayfah.newman - 2013-01-30 17:11

    Lol This feels like that time when the ANC made a huge fuss in the press about the tender story. Only for ma'am Thuli to vindicate the DA. The ANC support couldn't stomach it so they turned on the honourable Thuli too, claiming she was favoring the DA. The ironic thing is, in this country that is filled with corruption, people are actually sad that the DA is not corrupt. Strange but true.

  • nettie.potgieter.5 - 2013-01-30 17:12

    Earlier I said the ANC and Guptas set the perfect trap for the DA and Helen Zille and they did not see it coming. How wrong were I, they did see it coming. Good for the DA.

  • thabani.alfred - 2013-01-30 17:12

    White folks,this is not abt the ANC nor anyone else bt zille n DA abt benefiting from gupta..finish!!!

  • thabani.alfred - 2013-01-30 17:13

    White folks,this is not abt the comparison wth ANC nor anyone else bt zille n DA abt benefiting from gupta..finish!!!

      gary.doyle.520 - 2013-01-30 17:26

      Eish thanks champ for the clarity. Watchout jackson mthembu, thabani alfred might take your job.

      schalk.jonker.1 - 2013-01-30 17:43

      one of the days you wont be saying you whites no more...it will be BAAS again.

  • mphotant.thelejane - 2013-01-30 17:17

    The only Newspaper with credibility on probing such scandals is 'The Sunday Times' I hope they following it in silence...

  • courtney.baird.71 - 2013-01-30 17:21

    why the heck must she explain......the cANCer team gets much more!!!!!!!!!!

  • mphotant.thelejane - 2013-01-30 17:22

    Actually I am one amongst those who wouldn't wish whites rule RSA again due to anxiety, but I must say, Zille is a smart S lady.

  • pitso.dlungwana - 2013-01-30 17:25

    he he he he he DAndruff............

  • vuyisile.cyril.5 - 2013-01-30 17:32

    You should just explain the donations,,,not shifting the blame to ANC,,,this is about you taking the money from the people you claim are corrupt,not the other way around,,,deal with your issues and leave the ANC the hell alone,,,

      Erna - 2013-01-30 17:59

      Cyril - if Helen did a little 'spinning' of her own, so be it. But when it comes to corruption and fraud the DA doesn't come close to the anc.

  • Sipho Siqalaba - 2013-01-30 17:36

    Who is fooling who Hellen? asizona izingane...U KNEW,and the nation knows that the 'mentioned'money waz from the Gupta's....after it's not a crime to accept the money from the Gupta's....or is it?

  • mihla.sithole - 2013-01-30 17:43

    This was lifted from Zille's news letter Zille said in the run-up to the 2009 elections, DA North West leader Chris Hattingh contacted the fundraising office, and said a long-standing acquaintance of his wanted to donate to the party's election campaign.Zille met the donor and received a R200 000 pledge."The donor then suggested that I come and fetch the cheque at the Guptas' house in Saxonwold, and it transpired that he was a senior executive in one of the Guptas' companies."I and my colleague Ian Davidson duly went to the Guptas' home, ate some of the most delicious food I have ever eaten, and received the cheque for R200 000 from the individual," she said. It was a personal cheque from his personal bank account and did not come from a Gupta company or from the Guptas.The businessman pledged another R100 000 in his personal capacity later during the campaign, said Zille.In 2010, when he pledged another R100 000, the cheque was made out in the name of a company of which the donor is a senior executive. This company was either partially or wholly-owned by the Guptas, said Zille.It was not one of their known companies like Sahara Computers or The New Age newspaper.Now, how can zille claim not to have know that the money came from nel before writing the letter. She admits to meeting the donor and getting the cheque from him.In the news letter, she makes no mention of EFTs.She speaks of cheques but all payments from Sahara to DA were EFTs and were not from personal accounts

      mihla.sithole - 2013-01-30 18:11

      How can she claim she never knew the money was from Nel while in fact Nel is Chris Harting's acquaintence and she met Nel physically at the Guptas to collect the cheque and thats when "it trasnspired that he was a Saharah exec"? Why then write a letter to Gupta thanking him for his Donation to the DA if the money was from Nel's personal account? The money was given to the DA between the 2nd of March and the 8th of May.It was trasnfered by Atul Gupta electronically to the DA and on the 25th of May Zille wrote a letter,after the elections, thanking Atul Gupta for his donation.The letter was not written before she was "told" where the money came from.In any case,why would she need to be told where the money came from when in fact she claims to have fetched the cheque herself physically from the Guptas? According to the DA,the Guptas are corrupt and therefore their Donation should also constitute procceeds of corruption.She must therefore return the dirty money just like The DA returned Brett kebble's and Kelsner's(that convicted German billionaire)dirty money.How can she even state that there is nothing wrong with the Donation? by her own admission, the Guptas make their money corruptly from government kick backs.Therefore, that donation is the very money that you are lamenting to be from state coffers.That is whats wrong with that Donation.She doenst need to be reminded on how the DA prides itself on clean and transparent governance.Thats why I was hoping vote for her in 2014

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