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Zille solicited funds from Guptas - report

2013-01-28 12:37

Johannesburg - Democratic Alliance leader Helen Zille solicited funding from the Gupta family, the Weekend Argus reported.

Unnamed sources told the paper Zille had gone to the Gupta's estate in Saxonwold, Johannesburg, in 2011 to ask for a donation.

She left with a "substantial" cheque, believed to be several hundred thousand rand.

When asked for comment Zille told the newspaper: "The issue is not whether the Guptas have ever donated money to the DA. The issue is, if they did, whether the DA ever channelled huge amounts of public money to them in return. The answer is no."

It was reported that comment was not immediately available from the Guptas.

African National Congress Western Cape leader Marius Fransman told The New Age newspaper, which is owned by the Guptas, that Zille had to come clean on who funded the Democratic Alliance.

The party received R4m last week.

Fransman said the money was used to repair the DA's offices in Cape Town, the newspaper reported on Monday.

Comments
  • goyougoodthing - 2013-01-28 12:42

    Why would you take Helen? Regardless of what you want to do with the money, or that you say there won't be backhanders, taking from filthy like that can only get you dirty. I hope the story is more complicated than it sounds.

      gary.guy.507 - 2013-01-28 12:47

      Could not agree less. A politcal party can accept donations from anyone, so long as it is transparent and there are no strings attached. I think all political parties should disclose who donates to them .. but I am not sure that the ANC would welcome this. Pretty sure the DA would have no problems with this.

      goyougoodthing - 2013-01-28 12:50

      Gary you miss my point. Parties can accept donations for sure, that is the whole basis of the worldwide sham of 'democracy'. However, taking from a bunch of corrupt, connected and self-serving types such as a Guptas is a bad idea.

      tumisang.kolobe - 2013-01-28 12:51

      DA hypocrites ,If a person has taken money illegally then give it to you that means you are being funded by corrupt proceeds, You cannot cry foul when Guptas are getting tenders and then go behind and demand donations from them.

      goyougoodthing - 2013-01-28 12:52

      What is interesting is this: is Marius Fransman of the opinion that taking money from the Gupta's should be treated as suspicious because they are corrupt, or should the DA have told everyone about it. Either answer paints the relationship of the ANC and the Gupta's in a suspicious light, either admitting some form of corrupt dealings or exposing their own lack of transparency. I still contend the DA would do well to keeo away from the Guptas.

      goyougoodthing - 2013-01-28 12:53

      Tumi, I have to agree with you.

      nolisindiso.jonas - 2013-01-28 12:58

      Now we only wait to hear how much ASLA donated as THEY got lots of work. LOL.

      georg.potgieter - 2013-01-28 13:05

      Fransman - the DA probably used some of the money to pay for rent, rates, electricity, water, telephones. Unlike the ANC, which has millions of rands of unpaid bills.

      utopian.idealist - 2013-01-28 13:08

      I can tell you first hand that the Gupta's are not the sort of people you want to be doing business with. I worked for them in 2001 when they were still focused on building their IT empire. I found out that they were involved in selling a shipment of hard drives that had been listed as stolen on the manufacturers web site. I thought it must be a simple error and when i raised the issue with Atul Gupta i was warned to leave the issue alone. Keep in mind these people always traveled with and enforcer who was always armed with a 44 magnum.

      tumisang.kolobe - 2013-01-28 13:12

      They are unhappy when the ANC benefits and yet is perfectly fine when they enjoy such donations. The ANC believes that the Guptas have benefitted legally therefore any donations from them is legitimate, whether or not the tenders were awarded legally is a point of a debate. In contrast the DA were telling everyone how corrupt the GUPTAS were and even refusing to appear on their show, now they went behind everyone’s back and solicited donations, HYPOCRITES

      tumisang.kolobe - 2013-01-28 13:15

      Here I thought the Democrats will come out and condemn this kind of behavior like they always do to the ANC in order to show that they are against corruption, so its ok of the white madam benefits but when the BLACK ANC leaders benefit is corruption, so why must I vote for the benefit of the white madam???

      handy.andy.773 - 2013-01-28 13:30

      @kolobe - you clearly do not understand the issue. Nobody cares if the ANC receives donations. Everyone,expect some blind followers like you, cares about the backhand handouts and tenders, of which there are countless examples. If you can show me where the DA handed out tenders at inflated rates, I'll immediately change my vote. I'm not holding my breath for an answer from you.

      emmi.nyathi - 2013-01-28 13:33

      Goyougoodthing you speak the truth! The moment any organisation associates itself with a tainted name, independence in appearance is severely compromised.

      clintonpa - 2013-01-28 13:49

      @ goyougoodthing.I concur. Why take money from those you know to be corrupt. I expect more from the DA.

      Deon - 2013-01-28 14:14

      It is not illegal to accept donations. It is illegal to give kickbacks or rig the tender process to benefit those donateurs.

      mark.barker.370 - 2013-01-28 14:16

      Time for Zille and her stooges to go , lets gets some real leadership in the DA. Maybe time for Tony Leon to come out of retirement.

      babalwa.jele - 2013-01-28 15:18

      @gary.guru.507. You are dillusional if you think that those donors donate out of goodness of their hearts. The plan is working if people like you think there is a politician that is ever clean.

      The_Don_@_Nkandla - 2013-01-28 15:30

      I am a DA supporter and have been for many many years even before it was called DA. If this report is correct, then I am ashamed & disgusted. If true, the DA must then return that money & never ever disgrace it's supporters in such hypocritical manner again. COME CLEAN DA! COME CLEAN!

      gert_swart - 2013-01-28 15:43

      All politicians are made from the same cloth! All of them are corrupt bastards.

      BatRMan959 - 2013-01-28 15:48

      Lets not forget that DA are also politicians.. And if they ever come into power (After Jesus arrives of course) we will also be digging up dirt on them....

      thabang.bonang.7 - 2013-01-28 15:48

      Hahahahaha!!!! The funniest story for 2013. DA and ANC eating from the same jar but both failed to clean their mouth properly.

      semonatenate - 2013-01-28 15:59

      Three some XES crooks, No wonder Mazibuko has weight problems, she is inflated by the Gupta cheques and two little Hyenas the female one with male organs, Helen and the sissy one Mmusi. Laughing all the way to the bank, hypocretes.

      mlungisi - 2013-01-28 17:02

      The taker!

      Barry - 2013-01-28 19:04

      http://inside-politics.org/2012/08/20/the-billion-rand-president-facts-and-figures/

      gino.mzansi - 2013-01-28 19:52

      Helen Zille is seriously becoming an embarrassment for the DA, she should resign with immediate effect and another DA MP should step up!

      SaniGhana - 2013-01-29 00:16

      My madam is not guilty,we can read about these things,the anc things are always difficult to find and then we must hear from the high court that the anc is guilty,we all know mr president zuma is guilty of serious crime but he is still sitting there and these criminal anc supporters are not saying anything

      johan.mostert.967 - 2013-01-29 07:32

      Maybe I must also ask the Guptas for some money...

      Ashimizo - 2013-01-29 08:08

      Its not more complicated. Politicians are all the same. They are all hypocrites. They cry foul only when it suits their interest

      hugh.olphart - 2013-01-29 09:56

      @goyou, don't you find it strange the Fransman thinks it wrong for the DA to fund raise from the Guptas, but its ok that most of the ANC funding comes from them, and that's okay? Ever heard him cry foul when they fund the ANC?? I think the big problem for Fransman is that the Guptas back a winning horse, and are now starting to fund the DA, sort of hedging their bets. Maybe the beginning of the end for the ANC. (pls god)

      John - 2013-01-29 11:31

      Her reply: http://www.da.org.za/newsroom.htm?action=view-news-item&id=11764

      abner.malema - 2013-01-29 11:55

      U can't lie twice in a week without people noticing, is either u are a good liar, or people always take your lies as the truth

      Eterni80 - 2013-01-29 13:44

      this article sounds like a pile of crap.

  • stirrer.stirrer - 2013-01-28 12:42

    The ANC clutching at (tik) straws again. Sorry dudes, Helen is clean.

      Diran - 2013-01-28 12:50

      How do you know?

      PointBlank - 2013-01-28 12:57

      There is a huge difference between receiving donations and pumping millions of tax-payers money back into donator's pockets... This is just a typical deflection from the ANC.

      womba.wonder - 2013-01-28 12:59

      The Guptas don't own Telkom.

      John - 2013-01-28 14:29

      Personally, I'd like to know more what's behind this story. It's unlike Helen to be as careless and stupid as self-serving ANC dudes. She didn't get to where she is by being stupid. ANC have the support and access to public money to cover up any dealings they make, Zille has no such access and is under constant scrutiny by ANC hyenas waiting for her to take half a foot out of place. ANC are always at the ready to take their pound of flesh from her anytime they see an opportunity. So I don't think she'd be that careless. I'll give her the benefit of the doubt until more details come out in this story. Zille would also do well to explain to put a lid on this pan fire.

      piet.boom.90 - 2013-01-28 15:06

      zile can not be taken serous,she shout about the corrupt guptas and she go and ask money from the corrupt,

      John - 2013-01-28 18:05

      Piet, I'll agree with you as far as this requiring some explanation. Donations do come in from various sources. But donations are just that, donations. No special treatment may be given in terms of preferential government contracts, kickbacks etc. The only thing being raised here is donations being received from corrupt sources, that's it and it is serious enough and requires explaining as Zille promotes a much higher ethical standard than the ANC. It is never good to have those associations. Zille should explain this and quell allegation. I am more than certain had there been anything else, the ANC would not have hesitated to make it public. Having said that, Zille's track record affords her the benefit of the doubt, where Zuma's track record affords him non. So, if you're going to compare indiscretions to indiscretions and say Zille cannot be taken seriously, then I wonder (assuming you're fair in comment), what you would have to say to Zuma's ongoing and proven lists of indiscretions? Held by DA ethical standards, there is explaining to do. But if held by ANC ethical standards, the comrades should buy her a Johnny Blue with fanta, pat her on the back and tell her its a rookie oversight..

      John - 2013-01-29 23:36

      Her reply: http://www.da.org.za/newsroom.htm?action=view-news-item&id=11764

  • michael.laski - 2013-01-28 12:42

    This Marius character is one childish clown

      womba.wonder - 2013-01-28 13:00

      Did Marius Fransman get any Gupta money? Will he open up HIS books for all the world to see? If not, why not?

      piet.boom.90 - 2013-01-28 15:11

      this is NOT about fransman,zille must just apologise to DA followers for lying tO them that the guptas are corrupt while she knows very well that DA benefit from them just like ANC.

      mlungisi - 2013-01-28 17:03

      The takers will always be exposed.

      womba.wonder - 2013-01-29 04:00

      Fransman made the accusation so it IS about him too.

  • hudayfah.newman - 2013-01-28 12:44

    Why is it important who funds the DA Mr Fransman? As long as they use the money correctly, hey, I'm not complaining.

      Diran - 2013-01-28 12:51

      How sure are you the money was used honestly?

      PointBlank - 2013-01-28 12:57

      Because the DA are audited just like everyone else and they are clean.

      renny.meere - 2013-01-28 13:01

      Pretty sure the money wasn't used to fund her residential property unlike some political figures... The DA will make this country better for black & white whereas the ANC would only provide poverty due to their bad management.

      Erna - 2013-01-28 13:19

      Pillay - her home didn't enlarge by several new houses, a bunker, a tuckshop, a helipad and two soccer fields, did it?

      piet.boom.90 - 2013-01-28 15:16

      The point is if you are clean like what the DA want us to believe why on earth would you ask money from people you know and you have been telling everyone that they are corrupt,and you come and tell us that you used the money very well and thats make you clean,ZILLE like the ather politicians is corrupt,she cant beg money from corrupt people.

      mlungisi - 2013-01-28 17:03

      Lol.. go ahead and protect the takers.

      womba.wonder - 2013-01-29 04:02

      Zille didn't take Gupta's money.

      hugh.olphart - 2013-01-29 10:28

      @piet boom, you keep saying the Guptas are corrupt, do you have evidence of that? To my knowledge there are no criminal investigations into their business. What I do know is they get political preference due to their funding of the ANC. Now they donate to the DA. This is not uncommon in western democracies, as I'm sure you have noticed with the USA where all campaigns are privately funded.

  • LouisPVenter - 2013-01-28 12:45

    "The issue is not whether the Guptas have ever donated money to the DA. The issue is, if they did, whether the DA ever channelled huge amounts of public money to them in return. The answer is no. "Exactly, you tell them Helen!

      EugeneGeneralMorokolo - 2013-01-28 12:59

      the problem is taking money from people you see as corrupt. the DA has burnt their fingers on this one. the bottom line is the DA took money from the "CORRUPT" Guptas. no amount of justification can correct this notion. i am very disappointed with both the DA and comments trying to justify this.

      paul.c.wadsworth - 2013-01-28 13:03

      Best comment so far, I agree!!

      gungets.tuft - 2013-01-28 13:28

      You wrestle with pigs, you all get dirty but the pig likes it. There is no excuse for taking money from the Gupta's - sorry and end of story. It is no different to taking money from Shabir Shaik and claiming it is OK because you fed some orphans. The money is tainted and taints the effort.

      Gideon.Viljoen - 2013-01-28 16:22

      Why when it comes to Gupta and the ANC all supporters of the ANC say no no no corruption !!!!! When a donation was made to the DA all the ANC supporters say the DA is corrupted. Why don't this make sense? Blinded support

  • Ðavid - 2013-01-28 12:46

    Hahaha, P R O P O G A N D A!

  • Bob - 2013-01-28 12:47

    Well every organisation needs funds. Regardless, it's poor ethics when looking for donations from criminals such as the Guptas.

  • winifred.watson.9 - 2013-01-28 12:47

    Has our President now stated to all the country that those who support the ANC will receive abundance of wealth. Well he also got money from the gupta's and look at where all the gupta family are today. Not achieved by the goodness of their hearts but elevated by the chief himself. In that Zille asked for a donation, and did not give anything in return is more than what the ANC can every say or do. She did not use it personally fund her home, or buy a car, she used to for her party. In that the has come out and been open and honest about it goes to show the difference between night and day. The ANC is always deceitful about everything that gets pulled out of the cupboard.

      Bob - 2013-01-28 13:04

      They can be as open and honest as possible but it doesn't change the fact that they were funded by dirty money.

      Erna - 2013-01-28 13:20

      Also not achieved by the goodness of the DA.

  • handy.andy.773 - 2013-01-28 12:48

    Marius - if politicians start coming clean, you are going to out of a job very soon. Your boss is not exactly Mr Squeaky, is he?

  • smiso.mkhonza.9 - 2013-01-28 12:48

    no comment

      bob.mcmillen.564 - 2013-01-28 13:24

      you just did

  • thaluki.malema - 2013-01-28 12:49

    Yea sure, just like I received a substantial amount from the Zumas.....

  • mahlorislash - 2013-01-28 12:50

    Always wanted to see the DA campaigners on this website

      PointBlank - 2013-01-28 12:58

      Huh?

      Killbot79 - 2013-01-28 14:00

      Did that make sense to anyone?

  • Michael - 2013-01-28 12:51

    So what? If the Gupta's want to donate to the DA, that's their business. It's only a problem if they expect "special favours" in return. The DA is not the corrupt ANC.

  • richard.scully2 - 2013-01-28 12:52

    That's great. Shows the Guptas loyalty or lack thereof to the ANC. Also all the millions the Guptas may have stolen from the taxpayer at least a little went to a good cause

  • cyberjerk.ingram - 2013-01-28 12:52

    Begging money from the Gupta-gangsters is immoral to say the least. We expect it from Maarman and his ANC but not Zille. How much public money was channeled to the Gupta’s and why would the Gupta’s donate these huge amounts ? These questions should be answered by the corrupt ANC (but probably never will).

  • simphiwe.charlie.5 - 2013-01-28 12:54

    OK Helen, come clean and tell us where you(DA) get your money, then we may believe you're not just as corrupt as the rest of them.

      rita.phillipson.1 - 2013-01-28 13:09

      Like someone said - It's in the public interest to see a list of donors for both ANC and DA !! Bet you lots of companies donate to both parties.

      Erna - 2013-01-28 13:21

      Don't see why the DA must come clean, when the ANC lies and denies.

      malcolm.james.macleod - 2013-01-28 13:29

      @Erna - Because the DA are supposed to be better than the ANC?

      Killbot79 - 2013-01-28 14:01

      Clean audit proves she is clean

      The_Don_@_Nkandla - 2013-01-28 15:43

      @ Killbot...an auditor does not express an opinion on the identity of donors. He may express an opinion if the donations have been wasted or applied for purposes other then the express wish of the donor(s). So, a clean audit in this case means that they have managed their financial affairs prudently and correctly according to the auditing standards. It says nothing of it being 'tainted' money if the report and Marius Fransman's allegations are correct.

      womba.wonder - 2013-01-29 04:04

      Fransman's claims have been refuted. Fransman made it all up out of thin air.

  • Diran - 2013-01-28 12:54

    Why would the Gupta's give free money to the DA and not want anything in return?

      PointBlank - 2013-01-28 12:59

      Because they were expecting favours and got none...

      june.francis.526 - 2013-01-28 13:03

      Because the DA does not control the big TENDERS the CancER does.

      womba.wonder - 2013-01-28 13:03

      In the hope that it would pay rewards -- just as how an angler throws out a chum trail in the hope that a fish might later eat a baited hook.

      Erna - 2013-01-28 13:22

      Pillay - they wanted to keep all their options open. Probably won't happen again.

      Gcwabe.KaMavovo - 2013-01-28 16:16

      @Blinding So with this knowledge at hand, why would the DA even take the money?

  • john.modihe - 2013-01-28 12:55

    Mr Fransman is trying to open a can worms by asking who is funding the DA. Will the ANC do the same if asked to reveal their funders?. Yes maybe DA received donation from the Guptas so what?

      PointBlank - 2013-01-28 13:00

      Exactly - the DA did not in turn funnel millions back into the Guptas back pockets. I see the shallow and narrow-minded are going to be jumping all over this one soon.

  • bone.marrow.501 - 2013-01-28 12:56

    Zille you need to start talking

      Erna - 2013-01-28 13:23

      Why would she talk when zuma is tjoepstil! And he's got a lot more to confess.

      malcolm.james.macleod - 2013-01-28 13:39

      @Erna - Again, because she is supposedly better than Zuma? You can't expect to be considered better than someone else unless you are prepared to be held to higher standards.

      Killbot79 - 2013-01-28 14:01

      Your president should as well

      tersia.louw.12 - 2013-01-28 22:20

      We hold her to a higher standard, Erna. I'll wait to hear what she has to say about this issue, though, rather than jump to conclusions.

  • sthembiso.jali.50 - 2013-01-28 12:57

    I knew it. Bl**dy hipocrit.

      Diran - 2013-01-28 14:11

      What did you know?

      tersia.louw.12 - 2013-01-28 22:22

      I don't think you knew anything, sthembiso.jali.50, but I'm willing to bet you hoped that Ms Zille was tainted.

  • womba.wonder - 2013-01-28 12:58

    Unnamed sources? Why are they "unnamed"? Do they exist?

      tj.madihlaba - 2013-01-28 13:14

      You have commented in support of unnamed sources who revealed negative info abt the ANC and then today its about the DA you asking the question...how suitable???

      linds.ronhouse - 2013-01-28 19:54

      The ANC has been complaining about these unnamed sources for a very long time. Remember the unnamed sources said former president Motlante impregnated an 18 year old girl - a story the Sunday Times had to apologiese for because it was found to be a fabrication. The unnamed sources recently said Curil Ramaphosa abandoned Zuma and would not stand for deputy presidency of the ANC - a story found to be a fabrication. These unnamed sources are really creating untold damage to the credibility of print media in South Africa. Respectably newspapers, like the Sunday Times, have become tabloids because of these unnamed sources.

  • eddy.maduna - 2013-01-28 12:58

    Lolest to that!

  • christiana.vespucci - 2013-01-28 12:59

    "unnamed sources" means there was no source. Or rather it was an ANC Cadre trying to sabotage the DA's very goof repursuing. Down with the CancER!!! Viva DA viva

      malcolm.james.macleod - 2013-01-28 13:41

      Yet we are happy to accept unnamed sources when it is about the ANC? Don't be hypocritical about this sort of thing, or it makes the DA look no better than the ANC.

      sven.gohre - 2013-01-28 13:41

      It was probably the Gupta's themselves that were the unnamed source. I would not be surprised if they offered the donation just to embarrass the DA. What I would like to know is how many millions has the Gupta family donated to not only the CancER, but to the giggling buffoon that is occupying the Presidency.

      christiana.vespucci - 2013-01-28 14:02

      Sorry meant good reputation. We will have to wait and hear what Zille has to say about this rumor. I'm sure the Guppies wanted to donate something to Zille. Just to give the ANC some credits. For a change. Those clowns are so rotten to the core. That the bad actually outweighs the good. Where as in the DA the good they have done will always outweigh the bad. ?

      christiana.vespucci - 2013-01-28 14:16

      @ malcolm. Well we very quick to accept "unnamed sources" If it was about the ANC. Only because we can believe such things. When has the ANC ever turned down donations? Tenders? Corrupt dealings? When were they never caught with their hands in the cookie jar? The ANC is money hungry right now. And funny enough. When SA escalates into any sort of war. I call it "a country at war with itself" kind of war. These block heads. (or any other politician for that matter) will entice, encourage, manipulate, indoctrinate and use propaganda to fuel their supporters to win the war. And during this this time those big heads will be fleeing. instead of the citizens looking out for each other. They will be too busy protecting a coward. "a leader oughts to be feared. Not loved" -Niccoló Machiavelli.

      Robert - 2013-01-29 12:02

      Sjoe I notice a lot of "PEOPLE" dislike the TRUTH....I LOVE IT

  • xoliswa.mdluli.186 - 2013-01-28 13:00

    Woah!.I really want 2 see how DA supporters justify themselves on this.one thing we know is the guptas can never give such money for no reason or conditions.its a matter of time before those conditions are known

      PointBlank - 2013-01-28 13:04

      Justify what?

      malcolm.james.macleod - 2013-01-28 14:16

      @Timothy - Just because something is legal doesn't necessarily make it right, and sometimes vice versa as well.

      dimitar.kostov.1048 - 2013-01-29 06:59

      Absolutely i agree. She should have taken the money and given it to some scum who kill children in the Congo then it would be ok. It's not ok to take bribes in this country unless you use them for something evil, then it's perfectly ok.

  • eddy.maduna - 2013-01-28 13:01

    I have a problem when a person criticizes others only to find that they are still doing what they criticize about in their corners.

      timothy.tanzer.5 - 2013-01-28 13:07

      work out what was being criticized and your problem might go away. The DA never criticized political parties getting donations... they criticize mis-use of publix tax payers money (not a donation) and when people buy favours from politicians with donations.

      leonard.w.gray - 2013-01-29 10:49

      I agree eddy its complete hypocrisy. The DA went to the very crooks that helped Zuma escape criminal charges. Absolute disgrace.

  • john.modihe - 2013-01-28 13:01

    Mr Fransman is trying to open a can of worms by asking who is funding DA. Will the ANC reveal their funders if the question is directed to them.Even if the DA is funded by the Guptas so what?Mr Fransman should remember that people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. I strongly suggest that Mr Fransman show leave the media to spin doctor, to avoid embarrassing the ruling party.

      tersia.louw.12 - 2013-01-28 22:26

      Mr Fransman will not embarrass the ruling (how favoured that word is!) party; they're doing a brilliant job of it without his help.

  • tholakele.mngadi.3 - 2013-01-28 13:02

    Haaa haa haaa! Look what we have here! Let's wait and see the number of comments we will have.

      PointBlank - 2013-01-28 13:05

      What do we have here? Am I missing something here? The issue is not about who is donating, but who is returning the favour with OUR money... Eish, you guys don't put a lot of thought into much do you?

      timothy.jenkin - 2013-01-28 13:06

      Did Zille have a problem with the Guptas or the fact that they got something in return? She takes donations and gives nothing in return. Read properly bru. Seriously!

      timothy.tanzer.5 - 2013-01-28 13:08

      we have a political party getting a donation... happens all the time and is not illegal.

      gungets.tuft - 2013-01-28 13:47

      Those defending the donation (which Zille did not deny) think again. There is no right way to do the wrong thing. The Gupta's get their money from ANC largesse, using tax-payers money. If I wanted to donate to the DA I would do it with my OWN money, not ask the Gupta's to do it after the corrupt middlemen have taken their slice. You can't complain when the ANC get your stolen money but not when the DA gets stolen money. My Kindom for a completely honest political party - until then I feel like I need to wash my hands after voting.

  • werner.coetzer.311 - 2013-01-28 13:02

    Whahahaha, Marius being his funny self again. I like him, he is funny and a reminder you dont need a brain to be "successfull". What a funny guy.

  • PointBlank - 2013-01-28 13:02

    "Zille solicited funds from Guptas." So? The question is, did the DA "return" the favour? The answer is no. THAT is the issue. ANC are deflecting again...

      EugeneGeneralMorokolo - 2013-01-28 13:10

      You got it very wrong... the point here is why would you take money from someone that you call corrupt. double standard is what it is here. just waiting to get proper response from DA until i give my 2cent worth of comments.

      PointBlank - 2013-01-28 13:19

      "That would assume that we had received money from them after we found out about the siphoning of public money!" - DA response.

      leonard.w.gray - 2013-01-29 10:55

      Please think reasonably. Do you think the Guptas would give the DA money out of sheer generosity? The DA is just as corrupt as the ANC and only in it for the money. The DA does the same things as the ANC does (eg. tolling in cape town like jhb, metro cops running amok, no service delivery, massive price increases in municipal services, high unemployment). The DA makes the right sounds to woo voters but do the exact same deplorable actions as the ANC does.

  • pienaar.jordaan - 2013-01-28 13:03

    The reality is that if the DA or any other party openly acknowledge who gives them money, those donating will become the target of the ANC for "funding counter revolutonaries" and will be bullied into not giving. This is the way of the ANC as we have seen with the Goodman Galery, FNB and others who seem to "support the other side".

  • nsinyawarirhanzu.trevor - 2013-01-28 13:03

    hey dude,Hellen wont take all da funds from the Guptas,stay calm coz your party is still going to get donations from G.G

  • timothy.tanzer.5 - 2013-01-28 13:04

    what a non story... political parties get donations all the time to do with what they want. it is about what the person or group who makes a donation gets in return.

      mihla.sithole - 2013-01-28 13:09

      Its a non story that an Opposition party which advocates trasperency and clean governance gets funding from a family which the DA itself has called corrupt?

  • Strikeback - 2013-01-28 13:04

    Mariua Fransman, you miss the point here! You will read in this same media24 about a lady called Mamphele Ramphela who is visiting people overseas to get funding for a new political party. So nothing new here old chap! As Helen Zille said, it is what you do with the money and what you give in return, that makes things suspicious. Personally, i dislike all politicians and prefer to work for a living!

  • difa.mashwama - 2013-01-28 13:05

    mam you look at other people's tail how long it is, then you forget yours.

  • mihla.sithole - 2013-01-28 13:06

    we need to take our political party hats off and be objective here.Zille is on record stating that the Guptas are corrupt then she goes and asks them for money? does she realise that if the Guptas make their money through corruption,then the DA used procceeds of corruption?people seem to be using the ANC as a benchmark for transperency.Helen,its not about what the ANC do.Its about what the DA,as a self proclaimed 'clean' party does differently.This is like a childrens' rights group going to NIKE to ask for funding knowing very well that NIKE used child labour to make that money.I am not voting the ANC in 2014 and was hoping the DA would be a viable option for a first time voter like me.now my vote is in doubt by Helen's double speak in the last 2 week.Now the question is why did the GUptas give the DA money? What were they hoping to gain?

      louis.nolte.3 - 2013-01-28 13:09

      Didn't Zille withdraw from a 2013 meeting when she heard that the Gupta's are corrupt? The report says they donated money to the DA in 2011.

      mihla.sithole - 2013-01-28 13:27

      Do you honestly think that Zille only knew about the Guptas corruption after 2011? the family had corrupt relations with Zuma way back in 2009 and Zille had commented about these relations.How are we to even beggin to believe Zille who said she didi not know Telkom sponsered a breakfast while in fact she is on record thanking telkom for sponsoring the breakfast? Is she going to return the money now that she 'knows' like she withdrew from the breakfast?

      PointBlank - 2013-01-28 13:38

      Sigh... mihla, just stop and think for a bit. Zille did not deny she thanked Telkom, that is irrelevant considering she was under the impression Telkom were sponsoring the event either in part of the total cost. NEW evidence shows the ticket sales cover the cost of the event in which the New Age and Telkom claim the sponsorship money is for the cost of the event. Now, considering you have just received this news and you have already spoken at the event how can you be held responsible for "thanking telkom" when you were oblivious to the fact that Telkom were actually giving the New Age money for what? remember the event was paid for with ticket sales - so the question should be what is Telkom sponsoring??

      Gcwabe-KaMavovo - 2013-01-28 14:10

      These are all pertinent questions Jobe, and you have raised them well. What's disappointing for me is the defensive reaction of some commentators here. Change Zille to Zuma and DA to ANC in this story and you'll find that the ANC boys would write the exact same defensive comments. The DA prides itself on having the moral high-ground on most issues, but what this has created in some of the followers is blind loyalty. Ready to defend or excuse any mistake made by their party or their party leaders. I'm eagerly awaiting Ramphele's party.

      mihla.sithole - 2013-01-28 14:27

      pointblank helen should probably get you as her PR person. Although the Telkom issue was not my original argument,the issue is not wherther she knew the minute financial details of the event.The issue is with her saying she ''doesnt recall thanking Telkom'' at the breakfats although a video clips proves otherwise.However,the bigger issue here is why didnt she apply the same principle to the donation as she did to the breakfast.She knew beforehand the Guptas were corrupt and she took the donation regardless.if here argument is that she didnt know before she took the money then she should have returned it after establishing that the Guptas are corrupt,which she has asserted a number of times.

  • PointBlank - 2013-01-28 13:06

    How does Fransman know that 4 mill was donated to the DA and they used it on their offices???

      jrtshehlakgolo - 2013-01-28 13:28

      My thinking exactly. How about he reveals how much Mr Shower Head and his cronies have received from the Guptas and the kick backs they received

  • june.francis.526 - 2013-01-28 13:10

    The problem with disclosure of The DA's funders is the repercussions these organisations/ business's will meet with in terms of the ruling party. What did MR Z say not so long ago about business's that support the ruling party. Disclosure is not such a good idea- We all know how oppositions to the ruling party are being taken out. Get real people - we are dealing with a bunch of gansters crooks and the mafia . Remember Beke Cwele and his connections. I am being deadly serious.

  • tj.madihlaba - 2013-01-28 13:12

    DA is benefiting from the Gupta's the same way the ANC is...Hallo Madam Zille!!!, we do not expect DA to channel big public monies to the Guptas in return by way of tenders, because they are not charged with the responsibility of managing public funds.the last time i checked this would be done by way of voting. The issue is whether the Gupta's are getting the in a clean manner, if not then DA is equally dirty and hypocritical.

      Erna - 2013-01-28 13:28

      Its not the same way at all - the Gupta's are zuma's private bank. They took over from Shaik.

  • louis.nolte.3 - 2013-01-28 13:13

    Its great to see that the ANC is so worried about the DA. It gives me hope that things could change, because they are becoming a serious threat to the african national communists.

  • nico.eksteen.7 - 2013-01-28 13:14

    Falseman and Ehrenrich is trying very hard in the WC but sofar everything they've touched have turned into disaster. LOL

  • lydonmcg - 2013-01-28 13:15

    I'm struggling to understand what exactly the issue is here. Every political party accepts donations. The ANC most certainly does. So why is Zille at fault for accepting a donation from them if the ANC have as well? Like she said...it's not like the DA are providing them with any kickbacks in return.

      zeepolar - 2013-01-28 13:22

      lol. you are not struggling to understand what the issue is here. you understand it very well , you just dont want to believe it. the gutpas have been zuma and ANC pals for ages and it has been public speculation for years that they are favoured when it comes to doing business with government. helen zille has been making noise for years about corruption, then we find out her clean party is funded by those she alleges to be corrupt???? hahahahahahahahaha. come on, dont be a sheep. you understand perfectly well what the issue is here

  • Erna - 2013-01-28 13:17

    Clutching at straws Mr Fransman. Between you, and Ehrenreich and that Brown woman, you are making idiots of yourselves. Nothing wrong with any party receiving a donation from the Guptas, its what you do for the Guptas that is the problem. I think Helen was testing them.

      tumelo.mokoena.374 - 2013-01-28 14:52

      What are you talking about?? everything is wrong about it. It's wrong when the ANC does it and wrong when the DA or any other party does it. The ANC supporters never denied the immorality of the leadership's connection with the Guptas at any point as far as I remember. The Gupts are a dodgy bunch period!!! we need to be convinced to vote for a political party and that begins with honesty and consistancy!

  • Jean-Pierre Wolf - 2013-01-28 13:19

    wow, anc worried about 4mil, how about the frikken billions its sucked from our tax paying veins :(

  • neville.watson.94 - 2013-01-28 13:24

    Fransman go ask your president that he must take a lie detector test about his home of R206m,Then u can tackle Zille , your party is so dirty with corruption , You use Telkom, Escom , ETOLL .New Age and the list goes on and on to enrich yourself,

      Erna - 2013-01-28 13:30

      Never mind about his home - what about the arms deal!

  • nathi.kunene.73 - 2013-01-28 13:25

    I wonder if comments would be the same if the story was: Zuma solicited funds from Guptas

      PointBlank - 2013-01-28 13:27

      Probably not... But then again the DA are not known to be corrupt.

      neville.watson.94 - 2013-01-28 13:29

      They are the untouchables they can do what they want and get the right ministers to cover up that is the difference

      Erna - 2013-01-28 13:31

      We know zuma is soliciting funds from the Guptas. He's also soliciting funds from the tax payers. Nothing new to comment on there.

  • erns.kleynhans.3 - 2013-01-28 13:25

    Cheap politics. Maybe the Guptas' knows something we don't???

  • impi.masondo - 2013-01-28 13:26

    the da must explain this crime

      raymond.buis.3 - 2013-01-28 13:33

      Um what crime exactly. It is perfectly legal to accept donations as long as they are declared. Which is exactly what zille did. You must explain your stupidity. Learn how to read ffs

  • badanile.dzanibemasibi - 2013-01-28 13:35

    I am neither a supporter of the ANC nor a follower of the DA but this is pure propaganda. Why are they mentioning it after the City Press exposed the New Age business break fast-Eskom sponsorship scandal? All politicians thrive on one thing LIES.

  • tumi.sethole.1 - 2013-01-28 13:37

    Interesting enough soe people say if DA took mney d used it good is fine. True clours are coming out, in apartheid same thing was said that NP used money to better life of whites so it was fine, but if ANC does same forblacks is corruption, who are u fooling here, u forever complaining people, what do you want?

      PointBlank - 2013-01-28 13:40

      You missing this completely. Go back, sit down and think about it again.

  • eyesears.handsfeet - 2013-01-28 13:39

    fransman, I would not open my mouth too much if I were you about the gupta's. The New Age newspaper (yes also part of the gupta's many fingers in the pie (if I understand correctly) and the way they run their business is "behind the back door way in". Sweep in front of your own door fransman before you want to sweep in front of someone elses. Enough said!