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Zille to give Ramphele an ultimatum

2014-02-02 07:25

Cape Town - Democratic Alliance leader Helen Zille is expected to give Agang SA leader Mamphela Ramphele an ultimatum on Sunday - that she abide by their agreement or return to her party.

According to the Sunday Times, senior DA leaders met on Saturday to discuss the party’s relationship going forward with Ramphele.

This comes after the confusion that arose in the days following the media conference on Tuesday to announce Ramphele’s status as the DA’s presidential candidate.

On Friday the DA issued a joint statement to say that Ramphele and Agang SA members would be welcomed into the DA. Ramphele hit back, stating that she had not agreed to the earlier statement.

The Sunday Times reported that sparks began to fly between the two leaders even before Tuesday’s press conference. Shortly before the event, a heated telephonic discussion allegedly took place during which Ramphele said she had come up with a uniquely South African solution and that she would remain Agang leader and presidential candidate as well as the DA’s presidential candidate.

According to the DA’s constitution, a presidential candidate has to be a member of the DA in order to stand.

Message from Ramphele

Following the joint statement being issued, a message from Ramphele was uploaded onto Agang SA's website.

"You may have by now seen 'joint' statements issued by the Democratic Alliance in which it is claimed that I will be accepting DA membership on Monday," she said.

"This is not true. Nor did I agree to any such statement. It is Agang SA’s position that the technical committee must first complete its work. I am leader of Agang SA, and Agang SA will continue its work to restore the promise of our freedom."

Ramphele said the commitment she had made to Agang SA members in Gauteng, Mpumalanga, Free State, KwaZulu-Natal, Limpopo and Western Cape, stood.

"And I will continue to speak with all of our structures," she said.

Agang SA said on Friday, after the joint statement was issued, that the claim Ramphele would be joining the DA next week was premature.

"In fact, Dr Ramphele is on record as saying that she remains the leader of Agang SA, and that she will continue to campaign for the party," it said in a statement.

Comments
  • Shawn Berry - 2014-02-02 07:36

    Aaahhh the circus has arrived in town. And these are the people we expect to represent us. Lawyers and politicians, the world would be so much better off without them.

      Jeffery Stokes - 2014-02-02 08:26

      don't forget getting rid of bankers.

      Arc Angel - 2014-02-02 14:02

      Wolf in sheeps clothing. Let her go, she will end up being a liability. Eventually she will end up being only a money conjurer. No love for South Africa.

      Org Potgieter - 2014-02-02 14:07

      Let Mamphela take her ego and go and find her own political grave. She want's her bread buttered om three sides.

      Nicholas Wessels - 2014-02-02 15:05

      Pathetic, the DA look like a bunch of clowns, this has been even questioning whether they are capable of running a government.

      Andreas Meyer - 2014-02-02 15:35

      Org, that merger is going to shrink both political parties. Agang will loose black support they otherwise would have got and ANC lite, eh DA, is going to loose some White support. Not that it makes much of a difference.

      Franklyn Davies - 2014-02-02 16:16

      and so a shining light is reduced to damage control,what looked so good on paper dissolved under scrutiny..,the ANC surely cannot do a better job at losing credibility and then the official opposition take their eye off the ball and act without proper consultation....what next ?

      Felix Rouge - 2014-02-02 16:17

      Add insurance sales persons to the list. The DA made a major blunder here. And Rampele doesn't even vote for them? What were they thinking? Goodbye plenty votes

      Janet Macgregor Naude - 2014-02-02 17:51

      A sorry state of affairs. I think Helen admires and trusts Mamphele (or should that be in the past tense?) I watched the press conference with great interest. They both insisted that the "merger" was in the interests of South Africa, etc. What has happened, Dr Ramphele?

      Tony Muchamama - 2014-02-02 17:51

      Mamphela is acting like a prostitute and I think she is...always devoid of mature decisions.

  • Michael Kleber - 2014-02-02 07:37

    Oh dear trouble already it would seem , does not bode well for the DA with elections coming up

      RabbleRouser - 2014-02-02 08:05

      Absolutely, bury this messy stuff now.

      Derek Bredenkamp - 2014-02-02 08:41

      yep DA is going from bad to worse. Throwing caution and priciple to the wind in a desperate attempt to win votes.

      Carel Coetzee - 2014-02-03 10:30

      It's going to affect Agang even worst. No-one is going to vote for her party now.

  • Peter Fraser - 2014-02-02 07:40

    So Ramphele wants butter AND margarine on her toast ! Come on auntie...I thought you had more brains than this UNIQUELY South African solution.Sorry doll, but you sound power hungry to me which is NOT a good sign.

      Shirley Bisschoff - 2014-02-02 09:03

      Yep, it's called greed

      Rupeshhari - 2014-02-02 13:53

      Actually, it is easy to blame MR for this. It looks like they are both greedy. DA using MR for their own benefit and visa versa. To call one the power hungry one is too biased.

  • Werner Pretorius - 2014-02-02 07:47

    Laat dit vir Zille n les wees. Dit gebeur as jy jou eie party strukture ignoreer. Die DA dink almal moet net spring as hulle hul vingers klap.

      wendy007 - 2014-02-02 13:23

      Dis waar Werner

      Amanda Matthews - 2014-02-02 20:24

      Yes Werner, Helen must watch her arrogance. She is clearly not listening to her exco members. She could even lose the western cape. This is how serious this fiasco has become.

  • Nelson Poopmore - 2014-02-02 07:49

    Helen's (lack of) judgement coming to the fore. She messed up good and proper.

      Derek Bredenkamp - 2014-02-02 08:45

      And it's not the first or last time...I don't get the blind support?

      Nukki Green - 2014-02-02 09:23

      and now Hellen must fix it by showing Ramphela the door!!!

      Nico van der Merwe - 2014-02-02 13:22

      Politicians do not survive by not making mistakes. They survive by recovering from their mistakes : Case Study : JZ. Zille is too ambitious and believes that SHE can win at least 2 more provinces this election. That is when you start making expensive mistakes.She is wrong. Her team and voters will win more provinces. So admit you are wrong, get out your teflon suit like JZ and weather the storm. Look after your loyals, Maimane, Mazibuko, Trollip, etc and build it up for 2019 or even 2024. Maimane was good enough for Prez nomination in 2008. Why not now?

  • Otlile Gwyvara Makena - 2014-02-02 07:50

    Ramphele is being unreasonable, selfish and opportunistic. She must go back to Agang then and be its presidential candidate. How can she be presidential candidate for both the DA and Agang? You are not the only capable leader! don't overestimate your reach!

      Rupeshhari - 2014-02-02 13:55

      who says one cannot be a presidential candidate for two parties? In some sense, JZ is the presidential candidate for ANC, Cosatu and SACP.

      Greg Munn - 2014-02-02 15:20

      Is Cosatu a political party contesting the elections and registered with the IEC?

  • Truth.speak - 2014-02-02 07:54

    I am losing respect for Ramphele fast

      Shirley Bisschoff - 2014-02-02 09:05

      Same here

      Rupeshhari - 2014-02-02 13:55

      I am losing respect for both Zille and Ramphele. What other choices do we have in the next election?

      Vuyisa Nongcawula336 - 2014-02-02 16:06

      I actually hope DA will rethink this and let her go back to where she came from. when they do that I will be moving from A-gang to the DA

  • Obakeng Molobi - 2014-02-02 07:54

    It takes years to build a good reputation & only seconds to destroy it.

  • jungleboy - 2014-02-02 07:54

    Surely the nuts and bolts should have been worked out before the announcement? I agree with the DA, get on board or bugger off.

  • Gert Barnard - 2014-02-02 07:55

    She wants the best of both those worlds!! One foot in either. Careful you don't end up with your foot in your mouth.

  • Godfrey Beje - 2014-02-02 07:56

    What is this circus now???? Have you started behaving like ANC?? Come on, don't lie to your voters.

  • Motho Moso - 2014-02-02 07:58

    A marriage made in HELLen is called a DAGGAng.

  • Simon Tshepo - 2014-02-02 08:00

    LOL

  • Francesca Browning Cristina - 2014-02-02 08:01

    Knew this was all going to end in tears! What on earth possessed the party to agree to this charade.Musi and Lindiwe are fabulous young people who resonate far more with the constituency that the Da is trying to capture than Dr Ramphele

  • Bokaba Collen - 2014-02-02 08:03

    Klap haar,Xhaaa Nuwe Suid-Afrika,Skala dlala ka maburu!

  • BLUESILVER2012 - 2014-02-02 08:05

    Rampie just doing what comes naturally to African 'leaders' who are in it for themselves.....she would do well in the ANC.

      Njinga Mpisi - 2014-02-02 19:56

      Lol

  • Paddy Nolan - 2014-02-02 08:05

    All the tiny & so inconsequential parties should unite and fight this cANCer as a united front....or is it really just about power and the money ?

  • Berto Petra Mostert - 2014-02-02 08:08

    It becomes clear that Ms Ramphele is not a politician - se must return to academy - she fits in there much better. If you can't be a team player you must back off from politics

  • Mojalefa Malepe - 2014-02-02 08:15

    Stay with Agan SA oulady. Its all for the best..

  • Blackybu - 2014-02-02 08:17

    Dr Mampara.... Well done!! One party that will never get confused is African National Congress,!

      cornu.perold - 2014-02-02 15:00

      Yup, they'll never get confused. They already ARE confused!!!!

  • Yamkela - 2014-02-02 08:19

    The power hungry Ramphele is gonna go with what the desperate Zille wants, the confused supporters are @ still taking @ least 10% of the voters off from both parties, people with great minds starts realising the bullcrap about politics in SA, great minds start realising that all politicians are the same, people who are sober upstairs will start realising that its not the colour, status, ideas(only) and knowladge(only) that builds but what a builder need to build(motion in action)

  • Sandy Johnstone - 2014-02-02 08:21

    The DA should stay the hell away from this woman.

  • Terry Bengis - 2014-02-02 08:22

    Helen, drop this nonsense, let her go, you be the President!

      Deborah Lambert Luyt - 2014-02-02 08:31

      Yes please Mrs Zille.

  • Chris du Plessis - 2014-02-02 08:23

    Ja nee dis maar net soos altyd gee n' pinkie en dan gryp hulle die hand . Zille jy sal jou oe moet oop maak voor jy die land net soos FW wil weg gee PASOP vir dit

      Kgosietsile Matsile - 2014-02-02 08:26

      en wie se land is die?-gaan holland toe jou boer

      Beldered Matywatywa - 2014-02-02 08:49

      F.w de Klerk was ver beter as al julle ander poepholle want hy het geweet dat die land aan almal behoort. Jy ken seker nie die eerste klousule van ons Konstitusie nie,dis hoekom jy so clued up isjou pes.

      Puple LeMoo - 2014-02-03 05:46

      People, this is exactly what politicians want. While people argue the politicians are taking us for a ride and we forget to keep them accountable. It is called divide and conquer. They are our employees and when we fight they are all to happy to do exactly as they want to instead of doing the job we hired them to do. South Africa belongs to all who live in it, so please stop fighting each other and let us keep an eye on our employees or everyone will suffer.

  • September Mphikeleli - 2014-02-02 08:24

    This idiots they call themselves academia expertise but they can't even understand their party protocols confusion VS ultimatum since friday we reading this crap

  • Danielle van Wyk - 2014-02-02 08:25

    Ramphele wants her bread to be buttered on both sides... She wants to be the face of the DA, AND the leader of AGANG! She cannot be both. She did not think this through...

      Sandy Johnstone - 2014-02-02 11:11

      I believe she also wanted to be the face of Cope. She must really crave power, this one.

  • simon.selahla - 2014-02-02 08:25

    Halala! A hell has just broke lose now!

  • Nkosinathi Malinga - 2014-02-02 08:27

    All the excitement turned to an embarrassment.What a joke!

      Derek Bredenkamp - 2014-02-02 08:50

      Ja, but we should thank them, laughter is good medicine! Helen could become the next Peter Dirk Uys in reverse. She'd make a good man in drag!

  • Adri Bouma - 2014-02-02 08:32

    This is a sorry state of affairs. What exactly cant the DA and Agang not agree about? That would be interesting to know..Why cant people just bury small hatchets to get along for the sake of our country thats being swallowed by a black hole???

  • Jason Marshall - 2014-02-02 08:32

    It looks like she is looking out for her own interests. Her actions contradict her words. Surely she can serve the people better within the DA.

  • James Smythe - 2014-02-02 08:33

    How stupid can the woman be? To believe that she can remain head of Agang? Yup - a uniquely South African stupidity!

  • Anele Booi - 2014-02-02 08:34

    So hellen ziLle is immune hey, she makes this rubbish nd no one rebuke her, lol leave nkandla alone as well

      Anele Booi - 2014-02-02 09:10

      Lol bt ds was a big blow my friend on DA election campaign like nkandla is to be honest I dnt even know hw to defend nkandla, hw do you guys defend ds one let's chat no name calling

  • Mageba - 2014-02-02 08:35

    Ramphele now has a chance to save face. DA was simply renting a capable smart black person. If given an ultimatum she must tell DA where to get off...

  • Piet Genade - 2014-02-02 08:40

    Damage has been done, too late. Membership of the DA should have been a pre-condition to any talks with that woman.

  • Sebola Ali - 2014-02-02 08:49

    Dr Mamphela Ramphele has committed political suicide and therefore she must resign from politics. You cannot be a presidential candidate for a party that you are not a member of. Even Mac Maharaj won't save you on this one.

  • Deborah Lambert Luyt - 2014-02-02 08:53

    These two ladies have to explain to South Africans exactly what their intentions are. The people of this country are desperate for change and for a minute there we thought they would be the ideal candidates to bring new and positive change to this country of ours

  • Msizi Happy Mleti - 2014-02-02 08:55

    South Africans, is it really natural to focus on differences so much or is that what we're being taught? The hatred displayed in some comments is appalling. And that is exactly why our country is the way it is. Let us unite.

  • Sechaba Maluke - 2014-02-02 08:56

    Mampela wil soon be anounced s DA member

  • Mpendulo Kahuna Sithole - 2014-02-02 08:57

    I feel as though there's too much inconsistency from this woman.

  • Mpendulo Kahuna Sithole - 2014-02-02 08:57

    I feel as though there's too much inconsistency from this woman.

  • Pule Lepitla - 2014-02-02 09:00

    ANC is laughing so hard right now LOL!

      Deborah Lambert Luyt - 2014-02-02 09:02

      Let them laugh. Who cares

      Anneline Pieterse Payne - 2014-02-02 09:31

      Yeah Deb let them laugh, at least Zille was not shamed by her the way Zuma was!

      Outa Kontext - 2014-02-03 10:07

      I know, right. Firepool!?!? What a flimsy excuse by no.1. At least they too can see the stupidity in it.

  • Aviwe AV Ndyaluvane - 2014-02-02 09:01

    All what Mampele wants it to accummulate power. She is not concerned about being a trustworthy leader that's reliable. Agang members have lost their trust with her and now... She's slowly losing trust with DA senior members...

      Outa Kontext - 2014-02-03 09:54

      I had really hoped that Agang would have brought a new hope to south africa. then she decided to join DA. I immeadiately thought it was a bad idea as Agang was a new party and not dirtied by politics. That didnt last long at all. What an utter flop for both parties. Now who do i vote for? ANC, FF+, EFF?!?! All racist parties. Maybe 2019 we will have better options.

  • Vernon Mavimbela - 2014-02-02 09:01

    Academics at their worst. How can you lead when you don't even understand one another. ANC Advantage.

  • Johan Retief - 2014-02-02 09:01

    Yawn...

  • mica gogome - 2014-02-02 09:03

    Mamphela is a greedy selfish power hunger.

  • Themba Timbeva - 2014-02-02 09:03

    I do suspect dat dis is sum of zuma's idea to bring shame nd confusing in2 DA political status throw dis woman

      Bheka Makhathini - 2014-02-02 10:09

      LOL. If all else fails, BLAME IT ON THE ANC. Ridiculous. I thought that was about DA approaching Agang's Mamphele for a merger. How is it possible that the ANC was also involved in these SUPPOSEDLY party-party discussions.

  • Kenny Thokozane - 2014-02-02 09:06

    I ws refused to go to DA together with other agangsa member

  • Beldered Matywatywa - 2014-02-02 09:07

    Ramaphele is a sell out & now she's repeating what she did to the ANC. A leopard never changes its spots I guess. A 100 year old party like the ANC can't be destroyed overnight...only massive infighting.

  • Mbudzeni Shandukani - 2014-02-02 09:09

    How shem,politics is toigh.I will stick to my profession.

  • Skhalo Vetho - 2014-02-02 09:10

    hahahahahaha. Ramphele is a pimp, she ant made to be trusted...