Zuma: Malema thought ANC was weak

2012-02-13 07:40

Johannesburg - Embattled ANC Youth League president Julius Malema thought the ANC was "weak" and he could do whatever he "wants to do", President Jacob Zuma said, The Star reported on Monday.

Zuma told the paper Malema was "immature", and warned senior African National Congress leaders who "cross the line" by defending Malema.

"I don't think he was in a position to understand how the ANC was acting, I think his understanding was that the organisation is weak, you can do whatever you want to do," Zuma was quoted as saying.

"I think that's why the ANC can no longer do what it did at the beginning because it needs to act, and act resolutely," he said, referring to the party's failure to enforce its previous sanctions, such as taking Malema for anger management classes.

Malema, league spokesperson Floyd Shivambu, and four other ANCYL officials were found guilty in November last year of bringing the ANC into disrepute and of sowing division within the party.

On February 4 the ANC's national disciplinary committee of appeals announced their attempts to have their guilty verdicts overturned had been dismissed. Arguments in mitigation of their sentences were expected to start on Monday.

  • Romain Bredenkamp - 2012-02-13 07:43

    Wow all I can say is. About time!

      Gigo - 2012-02-13 07:58

      Do you trust Zuma?Because he always talk and promise and at the end fail, I think you know dont be happy yet.

      Mike - 2012-02-13 08:09

      I'll wait until all is said and done before I will comment on this one!

      Elle-Black - 2012-02-13 08:12

      @R Romain I agree. @ Sganja I trust Zuma for a simple reason, he knows he needs to do alot to reddem himself he will not do anything that's gonna allow his enemies to say "told you so". Sorry Sganja malema's card is up hopefully he will go to jail for all the tender fraud and he will have time to reflect and think about his actions while in jail

      Bob - 2012-02-13 08:21

      Thats the first time I have ever agreed with Malema, the ANC are weak.

      Youefoh - 2012-02-13 08:42

      hahahaha this is classic. Naughty boy telling Malema he was naughty. Funny one, they all corrupt at the end of the day NEVER forget that!

      David - 2012-02-13 08:48

      @philemon. Like your profile, property developer in Limpopo. Put your money where your mouth is, oh sorry the "taxpayers money". He will survive Mangaung.

      Bryan - 2012-02-13 08:51

      Sganja and Philemon... Living in a dream world boys!!

      Tgif - 2012-02-13 09:02

      Malema " go out bastad, we don't need those tendencies here"

      Ditantane - 2012-02-13 09:04

      ha ha ha ha

      Foc - 2012-02-13 09:19

      Where are the comments about "Malema our future President" NOW!!?? ... just curious no offence ....just wondering ... it sounds awfully quiet and lonely out there ....

      Bigwolf - 2012-02-13 09:24

      Glad to see the ANC found a voice and made it clear, nobody is above the party. Now lead like you should and you will get my support, if not make way for someone who has the whole counrty at heart.

      Willie - 2012-02-13 09:26

      Mr President you created the young man to propel you where you are today ,now you turn around and say he is immature.Frankly speaking you are bad father

      FlowingRivers - 2012-02-13 09:32

      To all those who condemn the Lion of the so at ur own peril.Cos he will be back and back he will be. Don't underestimate the power of Malema !

      Gustav - 2012-02-13 09:47

      "Malema thought ANC was weak"... Dont you need a brain to be able to think....?

      Foc - 2012-02-13 09:57

      Without the ANC, Malema and all his cronies is absolutely ZERO ... if he really has power he will form his own political party ... but I tell you now ... he does not have the guts nor the support ... for the first time in his life he will have to find a job and work for a living .... shame

      Shakes - 2012-02-13 10:11

      Philemon magnaung or not, Limpopo's tenderpreneuship business is over. Time to think, innovate, some real work comrade!

      Liana - 2012-02-13 10:23

      @FlowingRivers: don't OVER ESTIMATE the power of Malema...the ANC made him and they can destroy him....

      Philemon - 2012-02-13 10:25

      @ Shakes. Time for you to learn to spell.

      rbczovczov - 2012-02-13 11:00

      @FlowingRivers: Lion of the North? More like hippopotamus of the North. What cut of the tender money has the hippo promised you so you can stick up for him even when its all but clear that he is down and out?

      Smell - 2012-02-13 11:13

      I agree. And kudos to Mr. Zuma, who for now has castrated our own version of Mugabe and other similar African leaders who have led once prosperous countries over the cliff.

      Eduard - 2012-02-13 12:46

      Don't be fooled mate...this is just one of the outstanding issues to be handled....however, he has done nothing for taking SA forward on the straight and narrow...JZ still is weak...what about bigger issues...crime & corruption, health care, education????

  • Louise Higham - 2012-02-13 07:45

    You tell him Mr President, we behind u all the way.

      Brad.Kopping - 2012-02-13 08:24

      "You tell him Mr President, we behind u all the way." Yes to the first part and no to the second.

      Jacqui - 2012-02-13 11:12

      We behind you all the way!!!! Don't count me in.

  • Steve - 2012-02-13 07:47

    Yes, you see Julius - you've been a naughty boy!

      allcoveredinNinjas - 2012-02-13 08:45

      Thats a bad Julius !

      K0BUSL - 2012-02-13 09:15

      See what happens when you have bad JUJU

  • trevor.charles3 - 2012-02-13 07:47

    About time the ANC got RID of MALEMA

  • John - 2012-02-13 07:48

    "....Embattled ANC Youth League president Julius Malema thought the ANC was "weak" and he could do whatever he "wants to do"..." ......and warned senior African National Congress leaders who "cross the line" by defending Malema. definetly have a problem there. Who will be the next after Juju?

  • Peter - 2012-02-13 07:49

    Ahh, don't forget that the ANC do not follow through with what they say and "protect" or "cover up" all their failings ( Shaik, Cele etc )-- which is always.

      Trevor - 2012-02-13 08:00

      @ Peter - you a bit off the mark here, normally I'd agree but in this case, JM goose is cooked. He pissed off people in power who don't need attention, people whom we know to be corrupt in government so, what is the best course of action, first let him vent then hope it fades away which it did not, then talk to him, that did not work so, crack the whip, the idiot STILL did not listen so, now they going to get rid of him. If in fact he is finally expelled, the group will not leave it there, SARS and the Hawks will go after him because "they" can't afford to have him hang around and be the voice of the poor.."they" will and I am sure, next start to dismantle the boy known as "Julius Malema", in the end this is nothing knew, it's done world wide in politics...

  • Trevor - 2012-02-13 07:51

    The tribe has spoken.......Julius, you wanted to piss on the Elders over n over again, now you will lose everything my boy..bye bye chrome dome

  • Patrick - 2012-02-13 07:51

    lets not celebrate yet. we know anc could strive another monster. anti-anc forever

      Moss - 2012-02-13 08:06

      & Pro DA?

      Romain Bredenkamp - 2012-02-13 08:57

      Romain Bredenkamp - 2012-02-13 08:58


      Shakes - 2012-02-13 10:14

      losers mentality!

  • Dave - 2012-02-13 07:52

    ok, read through political speak "Malema thought ANC was weak"....translation "Malema thought Zuma was weak" Very very silly mistake

      Vicker - 2012-02-13 07:59

      Zuma IS weak, the ANC IS weak...hence their insecurities. "The tiger has no need of proclaiming it's tigreness" - a proverb from the East.

      Juan - 2012-02-13 08:15

      I guess the shower man thing did go down all that well, lol

      Juan - 2012-02-13 08:16

      Now if I were Zuma I would see to it that the Hawks do their jobs, so that malemarse get's his well deserved jail time.

      Patrick - 2012-02-13 11:07


  • Paul - 2012-02-13 07:53

    As I have said before: Julius the tribe has spoken , you must leave!

  • Robert - 2012-02-13 07:56

    The ANC lost big points thru Malema. He made the party look like a bunch of fools. Eeish !!!

      Bob - 2012-02-13 08:24

      "He made the party look like a bunch of fools" nah they managed to do that all on their own, Malema just helped to point it out to all.

      Leon - 2012-02-13 08:46

      Corrected it for you: The ANC lost big points thru Malema. He made the party look like THE bunch of fools THEY ARE. Eeish !!!

  • CALAMITYSA - 2012-02-13 07:59

    Mr Pres - Your elite committee - Winnie, Tokyo and Mathews all supported Julius. They agreed with you about his immaturity - calling him a young man, though. Please tell ALL the ANCYL members that we would love to live out the motto of the ANC - Together we can make it work. Hate and the Zim-like attitude can never work. It is worse than APARTHEID. Rather study and become productive - or is it a culture and not an attitude.

      CALAMITYSA - 2012-02-13 08:02

      Mr Pres - you better also read some of the comments on other news items on NEWS24 - about the repossessing of farms etc. You might still lose a lot of votes if you do not state the opposite in clear terms.

      Vegi - 2012-02-13 08:40

      You are mad. He cannot be so foolish as to state that what was stolen from our ancestors will not be recovered.

      PB - 2012-02-13 08:47

      I've said it before - the Winnie Tokyo and Mathews clan are carefully orchestrating this whole farce in the hopes of gathering enough of fatboy's fanbase to start their own new party.

      Ben - 2012-02-13 09:17

      It has already been recovered and distributed. Sorry if you missed out, Vegi.

      Nigel - 2012-02-13 10:39

      yea Malema got the lions share of the redistributed (tender) money, maybe thats where the lion alias Young lion) came from, the size of the stolen share.

  • Itumeleng - 2012-02-13 08:00

    Poof, disappear Malema.

  • Burtfred - 2012-02-13 08:02

    So throw him out already.

  • Larry - 2012-02-13 08:02

    He was probably right, but failed to see that he was even weaker. Hopefully this is the back of him, but I dont think so.

      Michael - 2012-02-13 09:30

      Julius was never going to win a popularity contest sponsored by clear thinkers but at least the man has had the courage of his convictions to speak out. (That's an observation not an endorsement...) I believe we may all be convicted of premature naivety if we consign Julie-Jelly baby to the political scrapheap - beware a cornered animal!

  • Warren Nel - 2012-02-13 08:06

    The ANC leadership is weak. They let Malema walk over them for a very long time. Now they must deal with the embarrasment of this unruly child. When his behavior was addressed, he ignored the leadership....and they did nothing. The proof of this weak leadership stance is this upstart has been successfully out of control for years.

  • Phumi - 2012-02-13 08:10

    You can get rid of Malema but the burning question about the state of our economy and land still remains. Those who have dictatorship tendencies and power drunk will be removed from power and we will never celebrate them as our leaders. We will push forward with the agenda of the freedom charter of achieving economic freedom in our lifetime! Let it be known as well that we will never ever again be prepared to defend any leader in court implicated for corruption!

      Mtizozo - 2012-02-13 08:59

      Phumi, the more Malema goes down, the more his points rise up, he has made a huge contribution, some decided to hate him more, some to love him more, it’s not about him, it’s about his points, these are the youth's points, cosatus points, sacps points, all the citizens of this country still suffer the result of apartaide and the worth being in the hands of minority.

      DuToitCoetzee - 2012-02-13 09:07

      Phumi, the 1st time I can read a good statement from you. Not insulting anyone, but put forward in what you believe. That I can respect. It is your right. I am not going into methods of achieving it because than we can differ again, but this comment was a statement, without going to your usually insulting way, for a change. I changed it a bit to include all in SA. "You can get rid of Malema but the burning question about the state of our economy and land still remains. Those who have dictatorship tendencies and power drunk will be removed from power and SA will never celebrate them as our leaders. We, the citizens, will push forward with the FULL agenda of the freedom charter and through that also achieving economic freedom through a workable and respectable way in our lifetime! Let it be known as well that we, the citizens, will never ever again be prepared to defend any leader in court implicated for corruption!" Please take note that FULL is written in Capital letters. The full agenda is different from what currently happens. I wonder if you will be brave enough to agree or do you just want to take the part from it that suits you?

      ronzaled - 2012-02-13 09:20

      You definitely need to contact Dr Phil as soon as possible if that's how you elaborate on S.A's economic nor Political Situation.

      Phumi - 2012-02-13 10:24

      We means the indigenous people of this country and black in particular. It is only we who had our land dispossessed by unjust laws and it is we who were oppressed. The freedom charter was refering to this 'we' and it should be understood from that context and not suger coat it!

      DuToitCoetzee - 2012-02-13 11:16

      @Phumi. I other words you say that the ANC, as a freedom fighter organization, is only for blacks? The charter is only applicable on "indigenous blacks"? What is written in it is than misleading on purpose because it clearly stated all the other groups as well? If true, it than automatically make me an enemy of it and therefore one that will no longer respect black views and rights because, as you than indicate, I have lost all rights and therefore force me to cling to a group that fight for rights of ones that are my look-a-like. I am not an European, but a proud African and was always for leveling the playing field, but, as you stated in previous commentaries, you wish me away to other continents. I have no other place to go or place where if fit in and therefore have to fight my space open. Is that what you want? I think you are wrong and would like to here commentary from my fellow black citizens on your views and my interpretation.

      Jacqui - 2012-02-13 11:16

      Poor dear, never ever again going to defent a leader in court implicated for corruption. Geez, you will have nothing to do in the future then.

      Jacqui - 2012-02-13 11:18

      Black in particular, heaves to Betsy, black is more important than anyone else. Why do you persist in doing nothing about your education?.

      Gustav - 2012-02-13 12:38

      Phumi, your attitude stinks. Life is full of choices. You choose to sit and cry about apartheid and now you think the world ows(damn just blanked... skuld in eng = ????) you something! Well i got news for you, you WILL NOT get anywhere in life by sitting, pointing fingers, blaming other ppl, etc. So stop crying and man up!

      Gustav - 2012-02-13 12:50

      phumi, nevermind, forget what i said. I just saw another post of yours and just realized your totally spineless and your IQ equals Graeme Smith's batting average the past year or two.

      Stephen - 2012-02-13 13:13

      Phumi, You say "Let it be known as well that we will never ever again be prepared to defend any leader in court implicated for corruption!" If Malema is found guilty of corruption sometime in the future (and even he suggests that he is heading for jail), will you then no longer defend him as a (past) worthy "leader" of the ANCYL?

      nthabiseng.priklopil - 2012-02-13 13:35

      Phumi, no one is better over the other, black or white. The fact you choose to ignore from the The Freedon Charter, is that it also highlight "all who live in it, amongst them black and white". Remember there are other races to consder too, coloureds, indians and khoisans. No one wants to go back to the past although its bad memories will not be permanetly erased. But moving forward, we all need the same success and security in our country. We need to be safe and protected from any form of human intended harm. We need the possibilities to earn respect and that through work and appropiate remuneration to eracate poverty. We need proper functioning Health Services, and etc. As to the country and the world and all the universe, belongs to GOD, its creator. One one has a claim over it.

  • Deon - 2012-02-13 08:15

    And then tomorrow showerhead will attack the media again saying that he was miss quoted again

  • David - 2012-02-13 08:17

    Before: Julius Malema, 100% ANC 20% Woodwork Now: Julius Malema, 20% ANC 20% woodwork

  • Brad.Kopping - 2012-02-13 08:23

    Looks like Zuma finally grew a pair!

  • Mike - 2012-02-13 08:24

    No shower head you are the weakest and the worst president for the organisation.You failed the people who put you into power in the big way and come Mangaung all it will be rectified.

      Ntokozo V Zwane - 2012-02-13 08:33

      without getting biased, please factualy explain how Zuma has failed the country. Its very sad to think that people twice my age end up name calling Zuma, there is fun we can have regarding him but we have to realise this man is our president

      Tebogo W Modise - 2012-02-13 08:52

      Mike, you sound like malema yourself, you don't put people in power so they can do your favours, Zuma is in control, and my respect for him grows everyday, I really believe he has a vision and he is just being let down by people like malema, this is by far the best black president we ever had!

      DuToitCoetzee - 2012-02-13 09:11

      Here I must agree with Ntokozo. I have never believed in name calling and never will. I will respect anyone that is the 1st citizen of our country. There is ways to intellectually disagreeing with someone.

      Jacqui - 2012-02-13 11:25

      Ntokozo V Zwane, you want to know where Zuma failed the country. Shall we start with giving lucrative jobs to incompetent buddies? How much corruption is the big man allowed to allow according to your books?. What has he done about work, housing and the horrendnous education so many of you get?. The only thing he has done is get married, and have a fleet of planes accompanying him on visits to foreign countries where they don't give a fig about him or South Africa. He may be a very nice man, but President, sorry he failed.

  • AyGeewils - 2012-02-13 08:25

    Some may well believe that this posturing is a means to divide the ANC and help usher in a better government - but I wish to sound a warning - Malema and his like are militant and there are many like him, not to mention the masses. Civil war is not going to be good for any of us and this is precisely what Malema is capable of if he is not dealt with completely.

  • Vegi - 2012-02-13 08:28

    Zuma is already rejoicing. He has earned the respect of his handlers.

      Cracker - 2012-02-13 08:54

      Zuma is his own handler. It is the handlers of Malema that lost out. All the tenderpreneurs. And now we shall delightfully witness how they have to give back all they took from the poor and perhaps even exchange their expensive garments for a certain uniformly colored overall for some time. One fact about President Jacob Zuma. You don't take him on. He is one hell of a clever and shrewd politician with the backing of a huge population group in this country.

      John - 2012-02-13 09:20

      I like your thinking Vegi, Malema has "handlers", This term is usually reserved for dogs and animals..... Bloody agents..

  • Scouter - 2012-02-13 08:30

    JZ's way of saying "Game, Set & Match, young man". I'd like to think so but JZ hasn't shown himself to be that strong on the 'follow through' in the past. Let's hope Malema is the exception to the rule in this case(if you will forgive the play on words.

  • Graham - 2012-02-13 08:38

    The leadership is very weak! They have been dragging this out for to long. They have been to scared to act for months. He has the dirt on to many of his fellow thieves. Why has he not been arrested yet for tender fraud?

  • Elize - 2012-02-13 08:39

    I am starting to like Zuma!!

      Cracker - 2012-02-13 08:59

      Yes. Pity about the shadiness of the past. Really a pity. But he knows how to manage it and we may have to admit that he is probably the most suitable person except perhaps for Cyril R to lead the country at the present. With personal agendas and all.

      mike.clery - 2012-02-13 09:21

      Zuma's "share" of the arms deal was very small change.

  • SeeVeeDeeEl - 2012-02-13 08:46

    Zuma establishing himself as the only strongman in South Africa. 100% African politics.

  • Herman - 2012-02-13 08:50

    But, the anc is weak and corrupt and incompetent........ Time for a change in government, ASAP!

  • Nkosinathi - 2012-02-13 08:51

    Chop! The axe is falling!

  • George - 2012-02-13 08:51

    I agree with Msholozi, the woodwork boy does not act alone. The parasites, like Cassel, Matthew Phosa and Mr RDP Sexwale must be dealt with decisively. You cannot have leaders who campaign for Malema not to be disciplined when he has made this country an embarrassment. It is now up to Kgalema Mothlanthe to reject his name being used to undermine JZ. He should have refused to address the ANCYL Lekgotla because the ANC president was taunted and called showerhead in front of him. This is ill discipline and the deputy should have made it clear to the delegates that it will not be tolerated.

  • Sharon - 2012-02-13 08:57

    I hope he is immediately suspended, if I did what he has done in the company I work for I would be banned immediately from representing my company or having access to my office while I was on suspension.

      George - 2012-02-13 09:38

      totally agree.

  • lynette.phillip - 2012-02-13 08:57

    The President gave Juju the rope to hang himself......and he did. He was too stupid to realise this clever ploy - his school results prove he is stupid.

  • Fidel - 2012-02-13 09:01

    The fact is that Young lions will always exist because of the underlying issue, that of huge inequality, have never been addressed, mainly because people have linked race and poverty. And decided that any talk of it must be race driven. The clever thing white South Africans have done is link race to wealth and to say that anything that threatens this is an attack on race, rather than inequality. Silencing Malema or somehow getting rid of him will not work as someone else will just step into his shoes. Silencing Malema will never silence the majority.

  • inwardk - 2012-02-13 09:02

    Basically it was OK while Malema was attacking the whites colonialists. It is only when he attacked Zuma that things got serious. That's my perception anyway.

  • Attie - 2012-02-13 09:02

    the anc is still weak. why can't they get rid of corruption and stop wasting millions of tax payers money. look at the 400 mil just been discovered in limpopo right in malema's back yard

  • Ditantane - 2012-02-13 09:03

    ha ha ha ha

  • Fanie - 2012-02-13 09:12

    Zuma has done it again. talked big before the time. the signs are there that little boy is going to be to be told of and then he can go on as before.

  • Santapola - 2012-02-13 09:16

    Is that the words coming from Zuma? when he was defended for rape he was quite, when he was found quilty of corruption he was quite, i lost hope in this thing called Zuma..

  • Lionel - 2012-02-13 09:21

    Stupid is as stupid does

  • Nigel - 2012-02-13 09:21

    HAWKS & SARS, we demand that you take action against lying thief Malema, this bastard agent has stolen millions from the very poor that the pretends to care about. We demand action!!!!!!!

  • Dhavandran - 2012-02-13 09:25

    lol, i know malema was an AH,but at the same time he was also a scapegoat to distract us the intelligent public and take our attentions from the corruptions and in ineffiency of service delivery of our govt.for a while we were hoodwinked,now lets look at the real problem.

  • pmbadenhorst - 2012-02-13 09:36

    everybody ignore PHILEMON he is a troll....

  • Khomotso Motso Makwela - 2012-02-13 09:39

    They let him do as he please

  • wawistor - 2012-02-13 09:42

    Malema and his crew must face the music. It's the ANC that made him and not the other way round. They are so immature they easily forget that.

  • Honest - 2012-02-13 09:45

    Many left the movement , many joined the movement and the wheel continues to turn as it never stops turning until Jesus comes ! Thabo Mbeki is still in the ANC until he dies in the movement he spent 52 years building .

      Jacqui - 2012-02-13 11:37

      Excuse me, Mbeki spend 52 years building the ANC. Good heavens, what history book are you reading?.

  • Hugh - 2012-02-13 09:46

    I wonder if fatboy is going to have a seizure and need medical attention? Seems to be the order of the day with these clowns.

  • Bomb - 2012-02-13 09:48

    I really think Lim(poopoo) should be removed from South Africa and can be incorporated into Zimbabwe. It has become an absolute disgrace and embarrassment to this country%

      magomarele - 2012-02-13 10:17

      why not disolve it as a province and incorporate it into Gauteng? It'll be harsh to incorporate it into Zim as Zimbabwe has already collapsed. Limpopo has no leadership and can do better is it falls under Gauteng.

  • Andre - 2012-02-13 09:48

    But mr Prez, the ANC is weak. Julius Malema is still having the last say!

  • Marete - 2012-02-13 09:48

    The very same Showerman was protected by Juju not to go to jail, we taking him out December so he can be free to eat prostitutes.

  • Peace - 2012-02-13 09:51

    good riddance the fat boy must go back to Limpopo"forever"as he said to his grandmother.