Zuma: No action on Motshekga yet

2012-07-23 12:01

Cape Town - The government will not take hasty action against Basic Education Minister Angie Motshekga over the Limpopo textbook crisis, President Jacob Zuma said on Monday.

Speaking on 567 CapeTalk radio, he said the government had taken action to resolve the non-delivery of textbooks, but would not dismiss anyone until a task team investigation was completed.

"Kick the minister out, it doesn't work that way... otherwise we wouldn't be running a government," Zuma said.

"You can't, without verifying the facts... just fire people.

"We need to act fairly. You don't know exactly who is responsible. You can't say the minister who is sitting in Pretoria in the office is responsible... she has to find who the individual responsible is.

"Even if the buck stops at her, she has to find out who exactly is responsible for that [crisis].... The president must weigh those facts [and then decide] was it her or not her?"

Cabinet took action - Zuma

Zuma said he could not simply jump at every damning report in the media.

"I'm sure if there was a report and I fired people everyday... [people would say] I don't follow processes of the law."

He said the Cabinet had taken action in Limpopo long before the textbook debacle, by putting the education department under administration.

This took place last year after the Limpopo government used up its overdraft of R7m and tried to increase it to R1.7bn to pay salaries in November.

Zuma told the radio station that education continued to be the government's top priority, and received the largest budget.

"I don't think it's the correct statement to say that we are not making it a priority... We are also not dealing with the problem of today, we are solving the problem [of apartheid] that has affected us."

  • blip.noodlum - 2012-07-23 12:07

    Stalling for time, Mr Zuma? Time the schoolkids haven't got?

      nrgx.nrg - 2012-07-23 12:13

      "Kick the minister out, it doesn't work that way... otherwise we wouldn't be running a government," - but you ARE NOT running a government. "I'm sure if there was a report and I fired people everyday... [people would say] I don't follow processes of the law." - You dont follow the processes of the law anyways and neither do your cadres who SHOULD be FIRED! "We are also not dealing with the problem of today, we are solving the problem [of apartheid] that has affected us." - From the horses mouth, they would rather blame apartheid than deal with the problems of today!

      markallenrsa - 2012-07-23 12:55

      20 years on, still no accountability, blame someone else.

      neil.vanheerden.39 - 2012-07-23 12:58

      Keep them stupid and uneducated.. It's the African way.

      diep.dinker - 2012-07-23 13:13

      Dear Mr President, we the people do not need to point out that you are an idiot because you are doing a perfect job proving it yourself.... BWAHAHAHAHA!!!

      Squeegee - 2012-07-23 13:16

      Dear Zipper, some basic advice: If you stop hiring family and friends its easier to get rid of them when they make a mess. Use it, don't use it...

      rsole.sole - 2012-07-23 13:33

      @nrgx.nrg. Sounded like it was coming out the other end of the horse.

      steve.ritchie.739 - 2012-07-23 13:40

      @ Margie. It's because she's white and clever. Just something else to blame on Apartheid. Showerhead Zoomer, Spear of the nation has always been and always will be, a d**khead of note. My question to Professor (Chinese bestowed) Zoomer is, how can you not hold Angie responsible for the textbook debacle? It is now 7 months into the school year and now they are running around like rats in a dirty kitchen, trying to find someone else to blame. Just who is supposed to follow up these deliveries and report problems? Nobody it appears. There is most likely a whole bunch of unqualified idiots all the way through the department who couldn't give a rat's butt about the kids. I say fire all those involved with this mess, including Angie. Come on Zoomer, show them who's boss and not wait another 7 months to come up with answers. It astounds me that the cANCer ever made Zoomer president, or maybe it shouldn't.

      nrgx.nrg - 2012-07-23 13:52

      @Rsole - HAHA! yeah i guess you could say anything that emanates from that mouth is a "polished turd"

  • makenawn - 2012-07-23 12:10

    Mr President you still blame aparthied in education i wonder if that includes your cadres who are looting the money openly,including your incompetence of your so called trust.

  • eva.walle.75 - 2012-07-23 12:11

    "You can't say the minister who is sitting in Pretoria in the office is responsible" Yes - sitting in the office is about all she does. Secondly, she denied that there's a crisis! She's the one at the top! By default that makes her accountable!!

      Squeegee - 2012-07-23 13:18

      Zipper: "Why are you calling her an accountant, she is education not finance".

      steve.ritchie.739 - 2012-07-23 13:43

      Yup and this is the madam that rates herself 8 out of 10 for efficiency. This puppy is rather clueless right?

  • winifred.watson.9 - 2012-07-23 12:14

    South African, did you really expect zuma to come out and say anything. Its a joke. This guy does not have a good education himself, he us going around the world accepting professorships etc, so he does'nt care about the youths education. Its a mess, so what, give them a free pass at the end of the year and move on. That is what he believes. He has too many pressing things on his mind, like securing a second term, education is the least important to him. Except please remember to vote for him next year.

  • richard.zanner - 2012-07-23 12:15

    Ok please explain to me how they are not dealing with the problem of now but a problem created by apartheid. This is 20 years later. Kids at school now were not even alive when apartheid ended. How did apartheid cause books to be dumped, teachers to spend only 50% of their time in class, pass rate reduced to 30%, schools not having water and toilets.

  • peter.j.cock - 2012-07-23 12:15

    If you listned to him, did he say any at all?? Even now the 'protection" of the ANC cadres is still taking place.

  • smiso.mkhonza.9 - 2012-07-23 12:15

    Apartheid,apartheid,apartheid and apartheid there is a new term in South africa when comrad are not doing their job lets say it apartheid, why can't they just step aside and let right people do the job.

      jacob.siyanda - 2012-07-23 12:37

      Simiso, l I agree Gov can not blame apartheid all the time. but let me put it like this, its like inheriting a business that is making losses. you will have to fix the mess created by the previous owners, before you start seing profits. \r\n\r\nbut you will say 18 years is a long time, I agree.

      merven.halo - 2012-07-23 12:54

      Nonsense Jacob, they did not inherit a business that made a loss. This business is making a loss due to the ANC comrades' corruption. SA had one of the best education systems in the old days.

      anton.faber.3 - 2012-07-23 13:33

      Blaming apartheid has become a convenient excuse for looting, pillaging, and inefficiency. During the past 18 years BILLIONS have been pumped into education. Instead of upgrading infrastructure, training teachers to be better at their jobs, and making sure kids have (at the very least) access to free world-class education, the government has had to drop their standards and examination passmarks to at least try and make it look like we’ve not gone backwards. The reality is clear: the government has failed its people. It has not delivered on its promises of a better life for all. Use your right to vote wisely to bring about the change you want to see.

      jacob.siyanda - 2012-07-23 13:43

      @Merven, What old days are you referring to? Thabo Mbeki, Nelson Mandela or FW era? While the text book issue sucks, I don’t think it can be worse than pre 94.

  • Peter Zylstra - 2012-07-23 12:18

    Why take any action! Who needs education.....look what zuma has achieved with only gr 4 education.

      peter.gibbs.5895 - 2012-07-23 13:07

      No brains= breeding like a fu*king rabbit.

  • patson.nedzamba - 2012-07-23 12:19

    Accountability! Mr president. the largest budget that is not directed to education but corupt individuals.

      fanie.gerber1972 - 2012-07-26 16:44

      Well said

  • njdejager - 2012-07-23 12:19

    ANC does nothing hastily ever. It will drag on forever and die. Thats the way our Prez roll.

  • busicor.nel - 2012-07-23 12:24

    Just a couple of weeks ago we heard that the ANC would act and remove people suspected of illegal actions( or even ask them to step down), in their words even Ministers. When does this start next week maybe.

  • chiepner - 2012-07-23 12:24

    Hey I just read this and this seems crazy but education is important so fire her maybe?

  • j.r.neilson - 2012-07-23 12:25

    So, lets wait until the public have forgotten about it and then warn the minister not to hire that company again without getting a better bribe... (or make sure the company is under 'new' management...)

  • Gregory Jurgens - 2012-07-23 12:27

    Sounds like Zuma putting a bit of spear there on the side.

  • afrikeni - 2012-07-23 12:29

    Firing the President of ANC Women's League with Mangaung around the corner - forget it people - that will be political suicide. And JZ thinks we can't connect the dots!

  • - 2012-07-23 12:31

    Now why would they act hastily, they don't act hastily with anything.

  • rontheogre - 2012-07-23 12:36

    Seeing that apartheid is still getting all the credit for other people's inadequacies, then the perpetrators of apartheid have the fullest right to cite the psychological, economic and social damage caused by the Ango Boer wars and the abuses of human rights that took place after the Afrikaner had been subjugated to the British. Or the English speaking population that were discriminated against after the forming of the Republic. Did either one of these population groups snivel or cry for handouts or blame past history for their own shortcomings? NO, they showed some spine and pride and rose above their circumstances. Zuma, get a backbone and make something of this country before it is too late instead of blaming the past for your and your cabinet's screw-ups. Or will it interfere too much with your cosy bank balance?

  • Siphiwo - 2012-07-23 12:36

    Apartheid, apartheid...when are we to stop this nonsense when we fail, blame it on apartheid? It is making no sense now. Unless we are talking about roads and or other infrastructures. The delivery of books here is a subject which the Dept. of Education fail to deliver. What will the President say now on the medicines found dumped in the Eastern Cape? it apartheid to blame? President, stop running around in circles. Hit the nail on the head. Even if the Minister concerned is your confidante, she must be held responsible.

  • fanie.viljoen.73 - 2012-07-23 12:39

    React fairly, release Jackie Selebi, Mr Shaik etc. No, we did not expect real reaction any way to be quite honest, did we?

  • david.a.meyer.925 - 2012-07-23 12:41

    "You can't say the minister who is sitting in Pretoria in the office is responsible... she has to find who the individual responsible is." So the minister is investigating herself... Can't argue with that!

      jacob.siyanda - 2012-07-23 13:51

      @David.a.Mayer, To echo what the President was saying, the minister must be viewed as a Chairman of the Board and not as a CEO. When a multi branch organization has a crisis in one of the 9 branches, you do not call for the head of the Chairman of the Board. An investigation must be done to identify the culprit and corrective action taken. If the issue is of such magnitude, then the top heard should roll. But you just don’t fire the chairman when you do not have tangible proof of incompetence. If the president did that, I will call him stupid.

      steve.ritchie.739 - 2012-07-23 14:06

      @ Jacob. What more proof do you want. This whole education thing is a mess. Don't be a fool like the other Jacob we know.

  • pierre.dupreez.58 - 2012-07-23 12:44

    Dear Mr Zuma, you and your presidency will be clouded by suspicion because when you were accused of corruption, you squirmed like a worm and did everything you could to avoid having your day in court. The result of this is that I simply do not believe you, nor do I trust you. And I think there may be millions like me. I think that under you, the ANC has allowed this country to turn into a CLEPTOCRACY. Rampant theft from the state is an Olympic class past time by the enormous ANC state employee army. They are not concerned about being caught, because they believe that they would not be. Can you honestly stand there and say that in 18 years, no-one in the ANC has been able to develop any sense of self discipline or even a little accountability and look at his/her own actions and behaviours and to consider whether they are building or destroying this country? Is that still the past's fault? Even when the current generation of ANC cadre's make the decisions every day? For 18 years now? Hmmm......... the fish allways rots from the head Mr Zuma.

  • ambauli - 2012-07-23 12:46

    Yes it was Apartheid. I saw him burn the textbooks. He is a dangerous guy, this Apartheid. - 2012-07-23 14:51

      angaaz no?

  • Nyiks11 - 2012-07-23 12:48

    In the not so distant future , Limpopo will be a "protectorate" (for lack of a better word ) of the Western Cape under Helen Zille . Don't say I did not warn you ANC

  • leah.wedderspoon - 2012-07-23 12:49

    Will you ever act mr President? This is not going away

  • Nyiks11 - 2012-07-23 12:50

    "You can't, without verifying the facts... just fire people. I wonder if this was the case when Mbeki fired you

  • musaaubrey - 2012-07-23 12:51

    "we are solving the problem(of apartheid) that has affectedus". if it is going to take us forever to solve the problem of apartdeid why did we fight it in the first place if we know that we are fighting a losing battle?

  • dave.nutter.75 - 2012-07-23 12:51

    Amazing. Eighteen years after apartheid ( Zuma ) is still blaming the system for the poor performance in education. One listener ( black gentleman ) who phoned in after the interview with Zuma, said that when he was in school during apartheid, the schools received books the day before school opened. What am I missing here. The performance of this government is appalling. Whether it is health, education, housing, and so I can go on, they have failed completely. They are as corrupt as hell, don't give a damn about the poor and want to keep the population uneducated so that they can get the vote, so they can steal even more. Heaven help this country as these A Holes are going to wreck it completely.

  • markallenrsa - 2012-07-23 12:52

    Nothing new, they don't act hastily (read decisively) on anything. Suspend and then investigate, not the other way around.

  • Stephen Radebe - 2012-07-23 12:52

    Kick the minister out, now why would they act hastily, they dont act hastily with anything.

  • Stephen Radebe - 2012-07-23 12:53

    Kick the minister out, now why would they act hastily, they dont act hastily with anything.

  • Gavin - 2012-07-23 12:57

    zuma suffers from delayed intelligence, he will study the document, then in about 18 months time, jump up and start doing something about it.

  • musaaubrey - 2012-07-23 12:58

    if i could turn back the hand of time, south africa would be in the safe hands of NELSON MANDELA.

  • djim.bie - 2012-07-23 12:58

    Just the reason why your caders can make and brake as they please, Selebi is back home need iI say more?

  • ribie.sebe - 2012-07-23 13:01

    We are also not dealing with the problem of today, we are solving the problem [of apartheid] that has affected us........................... The leader we have

  • nosiphom.mazibuko - 2012-07-23 13:02

    "The government will not take hasty action against Basic Education Minister Angie Motshekga over the Limpopo textbook crisis, President Jacob Zuma said on Monday" Why include "hasty" here as there will never be action taken!

  • sanet.oelofse - 2012-07-23 13:06

    Not taking hasty action is how they got in this mess... so, nothing new here.

  • paul.vanvuuren.927 - 2012-07-23 13:08

    this government doesnt do anything hasty, especially when it comes to the disciplining of one of their own

  • Badger - 2012-07-23 13:10

    Kick the minister out, it doesn't work that way... otherwise we wouldn't be running a government," Zuma said. No ZUMA, that is exactly how it works you moron !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      jacob.siyanda - 2012-07-23 14:42

      @ Badger: Are you sure? have you run a Gov in your life? and the president is a morn? really?

  • geraldsebanda - 2012-07-23 13:13

    "The problem [of apartheid]" Is this the problem where the leaders of the homelands stole all the money and left nothing for services for their followers. Same as it is now. Its a pity that the blind ANC supporters are the hardest hit by the governments corruption. If after 18 years they still follow then they deserve what they are getting

  • winifred.watson.9 - 2012-07-23 13:14

    gosh, he is trying to think up an ailment so instead of firing her she can suddenly get very sick and take a long time to recover. During this time she will receive her full salary together with all the perks and when things cool off she will make a miraculous recovery. Hows that....what about THE MENOPAUSE.

  • nare.ledwaba - 2012-07-23 13:46

    we are solving the problem [of apartheid] that has affected us." ........................................... apartheid this apartheid that.....for how many yrs are we gonna hear this word

      jacqui.daanevanrensburg - 2012-07-24 09:25

      Nare, as long as the ANC rule, apartheid will get the blame.

  • zaaristotle - 2012-07-23 13:48

    Ahhhh - there it is, it was apartheid's fault that books were not delivered.

      carlson.thipe - 2012-07-23 14:00

      After 18 years-still blaming Apartheid. No-way-forward.

  • nathanial.edwards - 2012-07-23 13:51

    Well done JZ and Angie keep them uneducated at least they will vote for you.

      fanie.gerber1972 - 2012-07-26 16:48

      That was their slogan in the past "No education before liberation" and they think it will still keep 'em going - they are in for a moerse surprise

  • carlson.thipe - 2012-07-23 13:54

    He can't fire her before Mangaung. ANCWL support Jacob Zuma. Let her sit in her office doing nothing except defending her position.

  • chris.cunning.14 - 2012-07-23 13:56

    Zuma: - How to look after the nation 101. - How to not take responsibility 102. (including 101 excuses)

  • lynn.syme.1 - 2012-07-23 14:10

    You can't polish a turd. You can roll it in glitter but still can't pick it up from the clean end.

  • lerato.motshana - 2012-07-23 14:17

    *yawn*, there you go Mr President, blaming apartheid, yah go on, blame apartheid, i'm sure it makes you sleep better at night knowing children in limpopo suffers in the hands of your people, way to go Mr President, turn our kids into illiterates and blame it on apartheid. i salute you for your hard work, all you have to do is blame apartheid for your sloppy ministers.

      jacqui.daanevanrensburg - 2012-07-24 09:26

      Lerato, welll said.

  • mathews.masemola - 2012-07-23 14:40

    only because you know if you fire her you would loose ANCWL votes at mangaung. but she deserved to be sucked out of the department.

      fanie.gerber1972 - 2012-07-26 16:50

      Wonder why the ANCWL does not kick her out - since they are supposedly women, ie. mothers and it is the children they brought into life that is being destroyed by this........person.....assuming of course they have motherly instincts

  • johnnie.vercuil - 2012-07-23 14:42

    It would perhaps be a good idea if President Zuma would suggest to Minister Motsheka to better her appearance a bit, especially her teeth. I think there would be a marked improvement in the marks if she does that.

      jacqui.daanevanrensburg - 2012-07-24 09:27

      Johnnie, what does her teeth have to do with school textbooks?.

  • johnnie.vercuil - 2012-07-23 15:11

    Apartheid again.