Zuma: No need for Zille debate

2012-10-15 22:17

Johannesburg - President Jacob Zuma has turned down a request by DA leader Helen Zille to publicly debate with her on the state of the economy, the presidency said on Monday.

"The presidency sees no need to engage in any exercise that diverts attention from getting stakeholders to work together," presidential spokesperson Mac Maharaj said in a statement.

The presidency was responding to media enquiries on the debate as Zuma had not formally received the Democratic Alliance leader's request by Monday afternoon.

"We wish to point out that President Zuma is currently working with key stakeholders on the state of the economy, under the auspices of the presidency high level dialogue on the economy," he said.

As part of the dialogue, meetings would be held between unions and businesses on solving the country's economic problems. The next meeting would be held on Wednesday.

"The president is optimistic that this meeting will find solutions in the same way that a similar meeting assisted the country to cushion the economy and minimise job losses during the 2009 recession," Maharaj said.

Earlier on Monday, Zille said she would write to Zuma to call for a debate.

"All South Africans are presently deeply concerned about the state of our country, and particularly our economy," she said in a statement.

Zille said Zuma had not proved himself worthy of leading the country in the wake of escalating labour protests and the downgrading of the country's credit rating.

"The last few months will be remembered as one of the most trying times in our democratic history and yet President Zuma has not offered the leadership that South Africans expect from a president," she said.

"We cannot continue to muddle through a slow economic decline with more people becoming unemployed and poor people becoming steadily poorer."

Zille said the DA's growth and jobs plan, if implemented, would help the country's economy to grow and create "shared prosperity in a climate of policy certainty".

"The president has not done the same. He is completely silent on economic policy... and we have heard no serious positioning statement from him or his government on the current state of our economy," she said.

"What is his plan to prevent further downgrades and ensure future upgrades to our credit rating? What is his position on the illegal strikes which have killed innocent people and threaten our entire mining industry? Does he have a plan at all?" she asked.

  • john.barbarian.9 - 2012-10-15 22:26

    Ishhh..Makosi, There is no need of you either.....go and smoke beatles

      keith.f.murphy - 2012-10-15 23:26

      weed mixed with beatles will make then really high like TIK

  • craig.drysdale.96 - 2012-10-15 22:28

    Not surprized at all. It would be an embarrassment for Zuma to even try to compete with Helen in an open debate.

      stephanie.moss.520 - 2012-10-15 23:04

      Exactly... completely different leagues. Shame, poor idiot. He'd be anihilated in a heart beat by clever Helen..!

      art5SA - 2012-10-16 09:12

      Even if the said debate was conducted in ZULU... Mrs Zille would ANNIALATE ZUMA! How can you possible compare a Masters Degree with a Std 3???

      jimmy.collingwood.92 - 2012-10-16 23:05

      indeed it will be. what will people think if a president go around debating with a premier?

  • martin.vanstaden.9 - 2012-10-15 22:28

    To think this guy is going to serve another term.

      jack.shiels - 2012-10-15 22:55

      There is no need for debate, because there is no need for transparent democracy. If people see how uneducated he is it would ruin the ANC.

      ryan.a.smith.3958 - 2012-10-16 01:12

      Jack, we dont need a debate to confirm that Zuma is clueless. his Std 3 education speaks to that

      derek.francois.3 - 2012-10-16 06:48

      @Lerato geez man then why are the so many service delivery protests, it seems that the ANC policy is to keep the poor illiterate, give them grants that would then buy votes. No man there is not one state department or state owned enterprise that is functional today. Today it's all about being connected, and your loyalty to Zuma is a sure way to riches and protection what a farce. This government under Zuma has betrayed it's people and the ANC ideology for that matter.

      John - 2012-10-16 07:39

      @Lerato Wow, you really are brain damaged, aren't you sister! As far as I am aware, the National party died. THe DA always fought the Nats yet you have the gall to say they are a white party? It seems to be a black trait that you cannot think for yourself, like a sardine you all just follow the vessel making the most noise with no consideration for where you are being led! History judges people and leaders. It also shows a clear track record and progress. Armed with these FACTS, it is clear to see who is the achiever and who is the parasite. Start using your brain before mouthing off support for a parasitical bunch of cockroaches who have destroyed this country. All you have is diatribe and rhetoric, you have no achievements to back yourself up. That epitomises the ANC supporter.

      lerato.kay.3 - 2012-10-16 07:44

      @derek.francois.3, stats don't lie I would be most grateful if you can substantiate your arguments with some stats. However I agree with you that the government has failed us in some aspects. To start with as a rainbow nation if the economy was perfect there should be equal representation of our demographics in every industry, we should see a 10% of Engineers, Directors, garden boys, maids, rock drillers, guards, taxi conductors being white

      percyferrao - 2012-10-16 08:15

      @lerato You are correct the distribution of wealth is totally unrepresentative of the population. Have you considered that the main reason for this is the lack of education provided to the poor. The Government has failed to provide the most important service to the poor of this country... education for adults and children. How can the poor succeed without the skills required to become a director for example, yet the government remains unaccountable for 26 billion rand in lost taxes last year and 25 billion the previous year. The president is allowed to spend over 200 million on an upgrade to his house. How many people could get educated for this amount... In addition we see corruption increasing and those close to government benefiting the most instead of the poor. If this does not end what future do you think the poor will have in this country?

      art5SA - 2012-10-16 09:15

      Letrato.... what you say is true... BUT.... And a BIG BUT too. Why the HELL did they waste money on the Arms Deal and build those WHITE ELEPHANTS, called Soccer Stadiums?? That was to the tune of R100 BILLION.... yes... R100 000 000 000-00... Imagine what COULD HAVE BEEN ACHIEVED WITH THAT BUDGET if they spent it on HUMAN SOCIAL UPLIFTMENT????????????????????? Pity your "PARTY" have PRIORITIES MIXED UP!!

      derek.francois.3 - 2012-10-16 22:09

      @Lerato Problem is you cannot trust any stats coming out of the ANC as everything is massaged and manipulated especially crime. The current crop of ministers will stop at nothing to make their departments seem functional. My issue is not a black white issue but a best man for the job at every level issue. Black empowerment in its current form was the biggest mistake which has only enriched a few where the empowerment share should have been given to the workers and being shareholders would raise productivity. but no the elitist few grab every empowerment opportunity to enrich themselves and stuff the common worker who is more deserving. I'm currently working on a project and we have now been asked for a bribe at the highest level or lose the opportunity, sick. Zuma will go down is history as the leader who failed his people and organization. There are exceptional leaders of all color in this country and we have to start looking at saving this beautiful country of ours but I fear it is already too late, the manipulation of numbers at the next ANC conference is testament to this where leaders will resort to any means to retain power AKA Zimbabwe

  • johann.eybers.9 - 2012-10-15 22:28

    He'd rather dance, sing and expand the family ....

  • beverly.young3 - 2012-10-15 22:31

    Well, how could he possibly debate something of which he has little knowledge? Moreover, unless his speeches are pre-written by old has-been Mac, he would stand there speehless. Really, Helen he cannot debate, he can only bark. Barking like a dog is what he does all the time. Best he call his mate Trevor to take his place, he was 'barking' in yesterdays news about leadership wasn't he? eish.....woof woof....

  • Partiboy - 2012-10-15 22:32

    Could Zuma even have an open debate with Zille without having his prepared notes in front of him? He's afraid of her. She will beat him hands down and he will get drilled like Debra P does drills her 'guests' (not that I enjoy Debra P's rantings and obvious 'my voice or nothing'). JZ must go. He has f*cked up this country even further. Brng in Mbeki's brother for president. Atleast he knows what's he's talking about.

      sandra.j.rennie - 2012-10-17 12:19

      No he couldn't Partiboy. He is as thick as a brick. He cannot debate because he has to have his little speeches written for him. And should she ask him a question how the hell is he going to answer her. I agree with you on Moeletsi Mbeki - what a smart guy.

  • Sphiwe - 2012-10-15 22:32

    Education is important. i think he is afraid of embarassment

      Thato Moola Mollo - 2012-10-15 22:39

      i too think that our president is scared of getting squashed by Zille... He's intellectually inferior

      DuToitCoetzee - 2012-10-16 07:47

      I can understand if Zuma is not comfortable to debate because he sees himself as a reader of speeches and not an orator(good dancer and singer he, but with his past track record I believe that right is void and the public owns the right to insist on such a debate. It maybe their only chance to see him putting his plans forward while some-one blows in his neck.

  • frankflower - 2012-10-15 22:34

    No tannie Helen, he won't because he is too darn stupid and scared!!!! What lame excuses Mac makes...

      frankflower - 2012-10-15 23:01

      Sean Wolf, you know it, I know it, the whole Western World knows it, some black people in SA know it... Its just the stupid, ignorant ones, blinded by their idiotic loyalty who don't know it... May the blind finally see...

  • carla.vittori3 - 2012-10-15 22:34

    Not surprised at all - lowly coward! "As part of the dialogue, meetings would be held between unions and businesses on solving the country's economic problems. The next meeting would be held on Wednesday." Does this mean that they're getting rid of the unions? Only way to make businesses profitable again.

      arthur.hugh - 2012-10-15 23:39

      More likely he's discussing his profit share of the lootings.

      theo.joubert.37 - 2012-10-16 06:36

      Meetings? These are not meetings. Unions are threatening business with more strike action and goverment is threatening with nationalization. Meetings is a discusion between parties with the goal to find the best solution, not two or more parties that threaten one into submission.

  • rouan.villiers - 2012-10-15 22:34

    spineless, scared bastard

  • pieriewaaier.zooms - 2012-10-15 22:35

    he just doesn't have the wherewithall to engage in a debate on anything of substance. Everything must be scripted for him. he knows he's doomed in a debate with Zille or any person of substance outside the ANC. Now all of a sudden he engages with the 'stakeholders' on the state of the economy. Who are these so-called stakeholders? And, why only now after the 3 downgrades and the strikes which started more than a month ago? What has he been doing before then apart from developing Nkandla with our tax money and canvassing for re-ellection? This man is a huge failure as president of this country! What a shame that the ANC saddled all of us with him and seems hell bent on doing it again in December!!!

      bobby.pandaram - 2012-10-16 21:48

      @wesley & Hugh - guys do you know of anyone else who has refused to debate someone else? Just asking.

  • Carlton - 2012-10-15 22:37

    Giggling, Singing and fornication, are the only things Zuma knows how to do best. Can't debate, can't govern, cant control himself. Now can I hear an you are ra.cist from an ANC puppet... Thank I needed that.

  • joemarshe.push - 2012-10-15 22:38

    What are you afraid of,Zuma? Getting your @ss whipped on national TV I guess.

  • sheik.mohammad.378 - 2012-10-15 22:39

    I smell fear in Zuma because he knows he would be totally out of his depth.

  • archie.mooki - 2012-10-15 22:39

    invitation for economic debate a BIG NO an invitation for FREE BABY OILS AND SHOWER A YEEEES!!!!!!!!!!

      whatda.fuqbro - 2012-10-15 23:06

      Should have invited him for the latter, alas it'd be a trap to get him to the debate!

  • beverly.young3 - 2012-10-15 22:40

    Remember this? She should ask him to explain, I see its coming to a head now. "The justices of the Constitutional Court had, in 2008, laid a complaint of judicial misconduct against Hlophe alleging that he had approached justices Chris Jafta and Bess Nkabinde with the intention of improperly influencing them in a matter before the court involving corruption charges against President Jacob Zuma – then ANC president and an ordinary citizen."

  • andy.andrews.359126 - 2012-10-15 22:41

    Of course JZ has a plan and that is HOW DO I BECOME VERY RICH OFF THE POOR PEOPLE

      roger.esben.7 - 2012-10-16 21:40

      It is strange and disconcerning when viewing the comments on N24 especially where it concerns the democratically elected gov. of SA. The comments 4rom a certain section of our community borders on rudeness, disrespect and a total lack of knowledge about the ANC and what caused its existance. This is dangerous in a country where certain in-equalities still exist, where the previously advantaged, still secretly hankers for the long-gone days of racial dominance, baaskap, being the lord of the manor and total domination and subjugation of the majority. Surely this is a recipe for disaster for that section of a community that do not accept the hand of reconcilliation. I wish not.

      marius.j.rensburg.3 - 2012-10-18 10:33

      Roger: and "another section of our community" will forever have respect for their "elders" - doesn't matter how corrupt they are, ne? Jump from 1912 to 2012 and start questioning your corrupt leaders!! It's called your democratic right! This "he is my king mentality" where you just suck up everything he does (right or wrong) has to STOP.

  • diana.gill.18 - 2012-10-15 22:42

    Wet his nappy and ran into the wild bush where he belongs.

  • aiazmir - 2012-10-15 22:44

    Mac Maharaj and Zuma can both go to hell. They are continuously subverting the people of this country through selective morality. Non-disclosure, non- action against the corrupt. Both of these men should be exposed for the inept administrators and governors that they are, but they are both masters of manipulation.

      arthur.hugh - 2012-10-15 23:45

      Well said.

  • trevor.pietersen.3 - 2012-10-15 22:44

    ZOOM zuum.... can't think quick enough......thats why...the SHOWER

  • leonard.w.gray - 2012-10-15 22:45

    What a pathetic excuse for a president.

  • diana.gill.18 - 2012-10-15 22:46

    This time there wouldn't be any press secretary standing behind Zumanoid's back and whispering into his ear what to say. We all know how stupid his excellency is looking when speaking on his own, enough to remember his famous statement regarding the orphanages and old age homes not being a part of the African culture.

  • sandra.m.hollander - 2012-10-15 22:46

    Do I sense a fear for the Iron Lady of SA??

      Watkykj - 2012-10-15 23:53

      Yes you do. They are all cowards!

  • dan.ledwaba.5 - 2012-10-15 22:47

    You look at Obama and you see professionalism and backbone. You hear him talk and debate and you know the lights are on. Now what do we have...what a joke.

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-10-16 08:48

      That's the problem, he doesn't see himself as a public servant. He thinks the public owes him. Us citizens are the boss, not him

  • arliena.botha - 2012-10-15 22:47

    Hahahahahahaha.Scared rabbit.Zuma,how does it feel to be scared of a woman that knows more than you.?You are not worth the name of president ..

  • eban.tempellhoff - 2012-10-15 22:48

    Wow think this is the fastest reaction Zuma has had in his whole term of office!!!

      diana.gill.18 - 2012-10-16 00:40

      i suppose i can explain this phenomena as the fastest thing on earth is a running tum when someone gets really scared.

  • frankflower - 2012-10-15 22:49

    Me thinks the mainly male dominated ANC and its followers are scared of a female running the country... I think the time is right...

      carl.debeer.33 - 2012-10-15 23:19

      You right Frank. Adding to your previous reply to goodguy. This has nothing to do do with "we want to copy or do as the Americans and British do". Any Honourable Statesman, President or leader knows how to debate because he/she has the confidence to answer any question that is put to him/her because they are in full control with the Governance of their Country or Institution. I have seen debates on CNN and BBC between Statesman of Countries other than USA or UK with various CNN anchors and Journalists and they have no problem with debate, and in some cases with an interpreter. The likes of Amanpour and Becky Anderson are testament to this.

      paul.chick.501 - 2012-10-16 04:30

      You right, show us what you made of "Zuma" by not debating just proves to us all the "Weekling" you are

  • henk.vanrensburg.31 - 2012-10-15 22:52

    How does Mac sleep at night? Freaking liar!

      IcemanGP - 2012-10-15 23:09

      He gets paid very very well to allow him to sleep at night.

  • whatda.fuqbro - 2012-10-15 22:53

    Man what I'd give to see Zuma in a debate. The imbecile couldn't win a debate against an empty chair.

      arthur.hugh - 2012-10-15 23:49

      The chair would win.

  • Mario Bisogno - 2012-10-15 22:55

    Busy man.can't even spare 30 min.

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-10-16 08:53

      He needs to supervise at Nkandla...

  • wesley.bischoff - 2012-10-15 22:59

    Ja Zumba, I wonder why... Maybe because someone writes your speeches for you and you read them, instead of delivering. You know if you had to debate, people would see you for the fool you are.

  • rkashiri - 2012-10-15 23:00

    Well how can he debate when all he does is read speeches. He's no match for someone who can speak sense from their own mind

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-10-16 08:54

      ^ Give this man a Bells

      Billy - 2012-10-16 11:03

      +10 internets for this man, short and to the point.

  • truthbetold221 - 2012-10-15 23:00

    He could win a singing competition though :)

  • bob.small.7547 - 2012-10-15 23:03


  • henk.vanrensburg.31 - 2012-10-15 23:03

    Oh, so he can react in less than a month...

  • brettcch - 2012-10-15 23:04

    It would be tantamount to clubbing baby seals, anyway.

  • dehlia.fredericks - 2012-10-15 23:05

    she got u again! u no challenge nd y? lmimm!

  • calliedj - 2012-10-15 23:06

    Bang gat

  • rouen.heiberg - 2012-10-15 23:08

    So he is too chicken to tell Ms.Zille that he is too chicken for the debate he gets Mac Maharaj to do it.

  • euphoric.rage - 2012-10-15 23:10

    who is helen zille to ask for a debate with the presidant? if people cared what you had to say, you would've been voted as presidant. it's simple.

      frankflower - 2012-10-15 23:16

      Spelling spelling spelling... PresidEnt... NOT presidAnt!!! Nee o Liewe Here!

      man.zanilla.73 - 2012-10-15 23:43

      Just show the quality of debaters.

      sa.burning - 2012-10-16 01:21

      the only thing that is simple idiot, is the way you going to rage when you realise you should have got your head out of your arse, instead of smoking dope, when you had the time to do so...

      rontheogre - 2012-10-16 02:37

      If she was allowed to debate she WOULD BE!!

      magda.harmse - 2012-10-16 08:40

      @euphoric Are you happy with the state of the nation as it stands? Well, some of us don't want to see our country go down the drain. Honestly, it is about finding solutions and to better our country. If she was president maybe our country would have been in a better state. It is as you say SIMPLE.

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-10-16 08:55

      No, i think you are simple. Please seek psychiatric treatment.

      zetzingane - 2012-10-16 17:00

      why is spelling so important when people can not debate here on news 24

  • vivian.harris.73 - 2012-10-15 23:11

    That's because he can't debate. All he does is read speeches prepared for him. His brain don't have the capacity for a debate.

      sa.burning - 2012-10-16 01:29

      @scelo.zulu.12 @sphelele.genqese @mlungisi.mwelase.9 You guys must just sit back and enjoy the ride. The ride into poverty. Your president and his party has done jack ass for this country, except filling their pockets. Everyday we read about another "leader" who is accused of fraud. We have a beautiful country with beautiful people, yet you want us to go down like Zim?

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-10-16 08:56

      Hahahaha scelo thinks he is clever with that comment. Shame man - 2012-10-16 12:12

      scelo, mlungisi... you ok with this???

  • pieter.rademan.9 - 2012-10-15 23:14

    They should make the presidency into a series like survivor and every week the population can vote a politician off. Ill pay R700 a month for DSTv to watch that.

      magda.harmse - 2012-10-16 08:41

      I second that!

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-10-16 08:59

      ZATV did something like that. It was the funniest sh*t i've seen in a long time

  • ernest.lwandle - 2012-10-15 23:14

    oh oh look at that face and tell me please what do you see behinde those criminal glasses

      geronimo.feather - 2012-10-15 23:31

      certainly not intelligence.

      arthur.hugh - 2012-10-15 23:51

      E.T. Phone Hoooome.

  • IcemanGP - 2012-10-15 23:15

    Seems we have a yellow bellied coward as a so called president.

  • Mr.Bacelo - 2012-10-15 23:15

    Zuma must also start to attack Zille in public just like Malema. Zuma is too quiet and it is irritating now.

      arthur.hugh - 2012-10-15 23:52

      Wow! Aren't you just the pinnacle of Black Empowerment, your intelligence, foresight and forthrightness is astounding! Aren't you just a happy little sparkle of fresh delight. So unique, and precious, your point of view. Most impressive. Clap. Clap.

      sphelele.genqese - 2012-10-16 00:10

      Zuma does not do cheap politics bra ....when he hits u ,u never get up ask th likes of malema ,mbheki,etc they know him very well

      herman.burger.5 - 2012-10-16 00:36

      Are you the guy who shares the brain cell with Malema? What Zuma needs to do is to stop wasting tax payers money on himself and to start doing the job he was elected to do. That is if he can.

      sa.burning - 2012-10-16 01:44

      The whole Zuma circus is irritating Mr.Bacelo. Get real man...or you still have your eye on that fridge you were promised in 1994?

      cindy.dunn.9 - 2012-10-16 07:58

      Mr bacteria..... Duh he is to quiet and when asked to debate and open his mouth he runs away with his spear between his legs. Eish

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-10-16 09:01

      Ja, what an awesome mentality you have there. Attack attack attack. FFS you are stupid - 2012-10-16 12:17

      hey mr... check it out bro whimpering coward this "el presidente"

  • kmaesela - 2012-10-15 23:16

    If it was Hellen Zille who turned out the request, they would say she is a RACIST

      zolani.lubelwana - 2012-10-15 23:27

      So? You are allowed to say Zuma is racist!! Can't you say that? There I said it for you, I'm sure now you can sleep at night.

      sphelele.genqese - 2012-10-16 00:07

      Y would zuma want to debate with her? I don't see any reason Y she's irrelevant to us...

      mlungisi.mwelase.9 - 2012-10-16 00:28

      Garden boy

      sa.burning - 2012-10-16 01:47

      when will guys stop bringing racism into everything? Grow up please. Racism got nothing to do with the fact that the ANC can't rule this country!!

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-10-16 09:02

      Clearly you guys don't know what democracy is. Without debate and opposition, it is not longer democracy, it is communism.

  • goodguy.buthelezi - 2012-10-15 23:19

    If people want Obama-Romney like debates then i suggest you go to America. If you are not happy with how we do things.. GO! All you do is sit behind your PC and moan about everything that this gvt is doing! If you dont want to be led then I SUGGEST YOU GO!!! We ar not having any debates end of story:(

      khumbudzo.budeli - 2012-10-15 23:24

      I will take it u jst wanted t comment bt ddnt realy knw wat axactly you wer gonna say.

      IcemanGP - 2012-10-15 23:31

      Baaa, guess you are a sheep then. Waiting for the government to tell you when to wipe your ass.

      carl.debeer.33 - 2012-10-15 23:43

      Led to what? You are sitting behind your pc and doing exactly the same thing. Bury your head in the sand like an ostrich and make as if everything is okay.

      mlungisi.mwelase.9 - 2012-10-16 00:15

      You don't know what Sisulu, Luthuli , Slovo, Tambo would be thinking, don't make your shalow opinion theirs, I guese whem Mandela is also nomore we will hear Mandela this or that, zuma knew them better than you do, let them rest in peace moron, i sugest be a gardenboy and take Madam zille way.

      Robin - 2012-10-16 06:52

      Zuma is a small boy...

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-10-16 09:04

      Yeah, seems the ANC way is to lie and intimidate. They are above honourable things such as debate.

      ruel.khoza.7 - 2012-10-16 14:21

      I am with you goodguy, all the minority of this country do is complain. They are not helping to build a better South Africa. We are all South Africans and we have a future to build for our kids. What did the government of Botha do that is so guys are comparing South Africa to what? Your apartheid government didnt do jerk for the poor in this country. Helen can have a debate with Lindiwe after she has made her tea.

      mnathisto - 2012-10-16 15:05

      khumbudzo.budeli....u r such a dumb ass...u mst be a venda hey....m sure u r agly, dnt take it personal buddy

  • khumbudzo.budeli - 2012-10-15 23:21

    He is afraid of proving the scientist findings wrong \the bigger the cranium of an animal the interligent it is\ hahaha mr zuma is such a chicken.

  • khumbudzo.budeli - 2012-10-15 23:21

    He is afraid of proving the scientist findings wrong \the bigger the cranium of an animal the interligent it is\ hahaha mr zuma is such a chicken.

      ruel.khoza.7 - 2012-10-16 14:30

      If I am not mistaken Khumbudzo you are Zimbabwean...your president Robert is one of the most educated president in the world. Whats happening in Zimbabwe, why aren't you there working in your country. I don't think you know enough about South African history apart from what you read on the papers. You are fed information and you so believe in it...Zuma is the state president and not some mickey mouse leader which leads one province. He is human and doesn't have all the answers, that's were ordinary South Africans come in and tell the organisation what they want. We are never voting a white man in government again,dream on...

  • geoffrey.walters.1 - 2012-10-15 23:21

    He has never had an answer to our problems and never will he would rather spend billions on building his home town so that he may live above the rest ,when he gets thrown out of GOVERNMENT .........