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Zuma denies lack of leadership

2012-11-15 16:01

Cape Town - The claim that there is no leadership in South Africa "is totally out of order", President Jacob Zuma said on Thursday.

Replying to questions in the National Assembly, he said the leadership in the country could be divided into many categories - in political parties, in government, and society.

Zuma was responding to Congress of the People leader Mosiuoa Lekota, who said South Africa needed leadership urgently, and leadership for society had to come from government.

"Right now, the country is in turmoil; the levels of unrest and civil disobedience are climbing every day."

Workers' lives were being lost every day. There were conflicting messages coming from ministers.

Some were encouraging workers to do "things that are lawless and so on", and in the process more jobs were being lost instead of built, he said.

"Our situation is going to be become completely untenable. Extraordinary conditions and circumstances require extraordinary efforts on the part of leadership," Lekota said.

"And I want to ask the question, Mr President, why are you so quiet? Why do we not see decisive leadership on your part?"

Selective

Zuma replied that leadership should not be "selective".

"One of the interesting things is a definition of the leadership of this country.

"Now, I don't know what do we have here in this Parliament. Whether these are not leaders of their own parties.

"And the pertinent question, what do they do in this house to give leadership to this country as representatives of the people, the public. Now why then should the question be selective? Is this not a leadership? Are you not a leader?" he asked.

"This call, that there is no leadership in this country, is totally out of order. There's a leadership in this country which you could divide in many categories. In political parties... there's a leadership in government, there's a leadership in society.

"That is why when Marikana happened the leadership immediately moved in, the church, the traditional leaders, the government," he said.

Zuma also denied that Cabinet ministers were sending out different messages.

"I have not heard my ministers conflicting on these issues. They've been going to address the issues, as they pertain to their very specific portfolios, ever since we've had the strikes. They've been there."

Comments
  • sarecen.smith - 2012-11-15 16:03

    well what else would he say..

      rsole.sole - 2012-11-15 16:11

      If this is how he leads when he is actually trying to lead, then we are in huge trouble if he gives up trying.

      rbphiri - 2012-11-15 16:20

      Zuma claims that he built his Nklanda home with his own money! WTF!!! Isn't this the same butthole who asked schabir butthole shaik to lend him R1m to pay for his kids' tution fees and other expenses.

      shirley.steenkamp - 2012-11-15 16:22

      If he keeps telling himself that he will eventually believe it. I he took a firm stand on strikers instead of mamby pambing them and actually nade an effort stamp out corrruption,he might of had a chance!

      juan.prinsloo.750 - 2012-11-15 16:23

      I think what Terror Lekota meant to say was that our president lacks leadership, not to mention integrity. That's why nobody but Zuma's inner circle still wants him there.

      fussed.anderson - 2012-11-15 16:24

      Well give up leading and watch things run a lot better

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-11-15 16:26

      Lol the day he ever says something remotely close to being accountable, will be the day aliens arrive and free us from his stupidity.

      kala.bafazi - 2012-11-15 16:26

      He may be the president, but he is no leader.

      Kawasaki1985 - 2012-11-15 16:43

      Be careful everyone (or just white people) Blade is reading your comments - or somebody is reading them to him. Bunch of racist, thieving, mindless, flea infested .... Whaaaa !! Whhaaa !! Haaaa ! Haaa !

      darren.raath.5 - 2012-11-15 16:50

      ja i say we get some other uslless butthole to run the country!

      jannie.beirowski - 2012-11-15 16:58

      @Rphiri. I was informed by some report that the property the house was built on actually belongs to a trust? Who are the beneficiaries of this trust? If it does not belong to the government, nor to JZ, who gave the go-ahead for the building? Surely then the Works department could not have carried on without authorization of the trustees? If JZ is the owner of the trust then he must have known of, and permitted the building?

      kim.buren - 2012-11-15 16:58

      Put Zuma and Malema in the same cell. They then can discuss leadership together. But us South Africans know very well who is destroying this country

      steve.gibson.146612 - 2012-11-15 17:02

      A good leader knows what is happening around him. It is obvious he does not Know........or care!

      dave.elmore.5 - 2012-11-15 20:44

      @Jannie....can't remember the exact name, but basically the land belongs to the King Zulu of nowhere land, and Zomer is in fact only renting the land, because it forms part of the tribal trust land in KZN

      brad.ken.18 - 2012-11-16 05:23

      The world is laughing at us! He is a JOKE! http://www.timeslive.co.za/thetimes/2012/11/15/anc-rallies-for-zuma

      heathway.master - 2012-11-16 09:50

      Totally expected statement from this man. With Mangaung just around the corner, his mouth must be salivating with the thought of raping the countries coffers for his own gain, for a delightful further 5 years.

  • yar.wellnofine - 2012-11-15 16:03

    Who gave him permission to say that?

      lee.j.roebuck - 2012-11-15 16:17

      did he actually say something?? Government (ANC)used these tactics of violence and intimidation in the past didn't someone kill a whole lot of people then. point to be made is that when it was done then it was "racist", now it is "ehhh we investigate the cause" Anyone see leadership anywhere??

      ronald.stilianou - 2012-11-15 16:55

      I just watched the whole thing on tv, and he could not answer the questions, he gave answers that created more questions. It would also help our country if the speaker knew what it meant to be impartial .

  • irene.buthelezi.1 - 2012-11-15 16:06

    Zoooomer is a joke, but let's not just isolate him. The entire cANCer is a joke and the sooner they're out of power the better off the entire country will be.

      steve.luckie - 2012-11-15 16:17

      Agreed, he's making a mockery out of the Presidency. an embarrassment to the nation.the man is visionless...he only serves the ANC not the entire South African.

      rbphiri - 2012-11-15 16:29

      Trust me the only treatment for this cANCer is to eradicate the disease at the core of its nucleus - voters. Voters hold the key that unlocks a doorway to a cure...without this...I'm afraid will keep suffering from this disease.

      kuno.tschumi.5 - 2012-11-15 16:42

      @lucky7 - i think he doesnt even serve the whole ANC he serves himself... than himself again followed by some of his buddies... what a damn disgrace

  • mike.down.5492 - 2012-11-15 16:07

    The reason this country is in turmoil is due to your lack of leadership and the fact that you are the face of corruption, now suck it up and take it like a man.

      gary.scott.9828456 - 2012-11-15 17:06

      Couldn't agree more

      PrettyUsefulArt - 2012-11-15 22:15

      The only leadership he has shown is in corruption - how to be corrupt and get away with it.

  • annelise.venter.77 - 2012-11-15 16:07

    No Sir, you are out of order. It is time that you do SOMETHING! There is a huge power void where Malema en Co. roam freely and f.ck up our country!

  • mitch.dhooghe - 2012-11-15 16:07

    Getting married every year of your presidency, building R250 million homes, singing and dancing every chance you get is not leadership! Try looking at the state of " your country" how the f#%k can you say there is no leadership issue!

      Xavier7034 - 2012-11-15 16:34

      Resign?

      oistar.tutu.9 - 2012-11-15 16:38

      Nduduzo. nduh-nduh

      mitch.dhooghe - 2012-11-15 16:52

      @nduduzo.zulu, yeah I must be from Jupiter if I find something wrong with a president who wastes taxpayers money to build quarter of billion rand home for himself while the majority of this country still live in squatter settlements! Catch a wake up, you are to blind to see it! How the hell can you try and justify the amount of money this "better man"spends unnecessarily. I feel sorry for you if you can accept this! Good luck......regards, Mitch ( from Jupiter)

      Billy - 2012-11-16 11:37

      nduduzo, you are thinking with your heart and not with your head, think with your head dude... leave loyalty and emotion out of it. if you want true loyalty get a dog.

  • charlesdumbwin.dumbwin - 2012-11-15 16:07

    Leaders confirm lack of Zuma

  • frederik.vanas - 2012-11-15 16:08

    of course not herd boy......you are doing a splendid job!!! greatest leader of corruption ever!!!

      Xavier7034 - 2012-11-15 16:36

      ?

      imam.madi.129 - 2012-11-15 16:55

      nduduzo just take time to think for a moment and then write. Just reading what u write, u don't make sense at all but u are probably a tribalist who defends the undefendable just for tribal pride. For the record, zulus are wonderful people and they gave us people like Luthuli. Now what u are emotionally defending is disgraceful.

      Kawasaki1985 - 2012-11-15 16:56

      @zulu.73 - What ???

      wim.kotze.9 - 2012-11-15 17:32

      @du-du Zulu: You mean like your ANC presidents Oliver Sambo at Quattro and Mandela at Shell House?

  • kuno.tschumi.5 - 2012-11-15 16:09

    JZ wouldnt know how to spell leadership even if he had it written out in front of him. the only thing he and his cronies in the cANCer can talk about is how to enrich themselves, how to milk the tax payers even more and if it is ok or not to eat cake in front of other people. No idea what a leader is, what a leader should do and what is required to be at the helm of a country.

      wim.kotze.9 - 2012-11-15 17:41

      @Zulu, Verwoerd gave you bantu education, but it was too difficult for your kind, so the ANC regime had to dumb it down so that you could also pass 1st grade.

      parys.fotograaf - 2012-11-15 19:53

      nduduzo, nowhere do black and white live in real peace. They at best just get by or are forced to appear to do so by legislation, but secretly would love to be away from each other. Even here in Holland it took me only 3 days to see this truth.

  • jbooyse - 2012-11-15 16:09

    There is NO leadership in this country. There are a lot of "chiefs" sitting around doing nothing and getting paid for it... Own up mr President ! Sort this "democracy" of us out !

  • marlon.pillay.549 - 2012-11-15 16:10

    Utter Crap

  • Desilusionada - 2012-11-15 16:10

    "That is why when Marikana happened the leadership immediately moved in, the church, the traditional leaders, the government," he said." Yes. Wait for it to happen, then move in. Then make a circus. "I have not heard my ministers conflicting on these issues. They've been going to address the issues, as they pertain to their very specific portfolios, ever since we've had the strikes. They've been there." He's right. He did not hear. Would that TJP really be so stupid to tell him she is inciting strikers? They've flown. They've been there. They saw. They talked. They blamed. They went back. They will do v0k-ol....

      om.nom.nom.01 - 2012-11-15 16:36

      They probably arrived there (in the lap of luxury) in OUR Gulfstream jets. Bought & paid for by us, the taxpayer, maintained & serviced by us, the taxpayer, whose faces they laugh into on a daily basis.

      gary.scott.9828456 - 2012-11-15 17:21

      A complete loss for words. I don't think he likes question time in Parliment. The picture says it all. Probably the real reason why he has sleepless nights in his palace

  • oistar.tutu.9 - 2012-11-15 16:11

    lie, lie, deny, deny.

  • Hemlock - 2012-11-15 16:11

    Hysterically funny. I assume he thinks be is doing a good job.....BY BLEEDING SA DRY!!!!! Useless specimen!

  • BigChiefPlumbPudding - 2012-11-15 16:11

    Interesting choice of words. This means we are not allowed to say there is a lack of leadership. He doesn't deny the lack of leadership, just says that to say so is out of order. Pure dictator. Well, you are out of order, and have been since you were born.

      gary.scott.9828456 - 2012-11-15 17:24

      Actually he seems to be blaming all the other leadership he mentioned. It is only out of order when lack of leadership refers to himself

  • michael.a.devilliers - 2012-11-15 16:12

    Never heard of a claim being "out of order"? Is the claim broken or not working today, or is there new meaning to this phrase that I was not aware of. Seems his speech writer is "out of order".

      steve.gibson.146612 - 2012-11-15 17:11

      I think his mind "is out of order"

  • nicholas.marais.3 - 2012-11-15 16:12

    Of coarse Zuma doesn't need to worry about the state of the nation... he's got ministers for that. /sarcasm

  • craig.thom.376 - 2012-11-15 16:13

    Spineless,he will never step up to the plate,as soon as you start to talk about leadership he starts pointing fingers-weak

      croix.mactee - 2012-11-15 17:12

      @ndu. zulu - of course he's a magician, how else do you explain R250m vanishing from the fiscus?

      sewsexy - 2012-11-15 18:01

      @croix.mactee - hahahaha - love your response !! :)

  • gail.allanlutz - 2012-11-15 16:14

    pathetic - truly pathetic. Sad thing is they all believe it is someone elses job! oh dear...

      om.nom.nom.01 - 2012-11-15 16:39

      Or someone else's fault.

      croix.mactee - 2012-11-15 16:49

      Zuma is a GREAT leader, only he's leading the country in the wrong direction. Very efficiently taking us DOWN!

  • omrisho.za - 2012-11-15 16:15

    oh "........" (insert expletive of choice)

  • Cherri - 2012-11-15 16:15

    This douche says a lot without actually saying anything. He's like a ventriloquist's doll.

      omrisho.za - 2012-11-15 16:18

      i would have jeff dunham's peanut before this muppetpuppet

  • stevie0064 - 2012-11-15 16:16

    No, he's quite correct. There is leadership in SA. It's just that this leadership has proven itself to be soft in the brain.

  • nikelom - 2012-11-15 16:16

    Actually JZ we don't care for your theatrics and phony display of "anger"! We are the angry ones! All we care for is answers how we ended up parting with 0.25bn rand to finance your house? And for that : YOU OWE US NO FAVOUR!

      charlesdumbwin.dumbwin - 2012-11-15 16:17

      I agree, the ANC has taken our beautiful country down the toilet!

  • marlene.watson - 2012-11-15 16:16

    "That is why when Marikana happened the leadership immediately moved in". Well Mr Zuma.....where is the leadership now with the farm unrest and why did the so called "leadership" only move in when Marikana happenED and not before? Leader se voet!

      gary.scott.9828456 - 2012-11-15 17:31

      I seem to recall that it was only a week later when he moved in. And he has already ignored the farm unrest.

  • Strikeback - 2012-11-15 16:17

    Strikeback has noted that leading economists share the opinion of Mr Lekota on leadership in South Africa. Under leadership you will find it's fruit. Show us the discipline. Show us the economic growth. Show us the service delivery. Show us quality education. Show us your action to root out corruption. Nothing? - No leadership!!! www.strikeback.co.za

  • jay.reede - 2012-11-15 16:17

    Did he actually respond to the question ? Another extremly poor performance of Showerhead.

      gary.scott.9828456 - 2012-11-15 17:36

      No Jay, he doesn't know how to answer question. No script. They should give him an earphone so that Mac Mac can whisper all the answers. Mind you that wouldn't work either, they still wouldn't answer the question

  • david.wolpert.39 - 2012-11-15 16:17

    How would he know?

  • will.glibbery - 2012-11-15 16:18

    I am happy to defend my right to call him anything I want, but since I cannot use fruity language here, I think calling him an incompetent indifferent despot buffoon is about all I can muster.

  • compos.mentis.58 - 2012-11-15 16:18

    Suppose you were an idiot, and suppose you were a member of Congress; but I repeat myself. Mark Twain

  • ryan.a.smith.3958 - 2012-11-15 16:18

    Zuma trying his best dodge again ... Ok Zuma, what we mean is there is no leadership from our president .. YOU ! and very little leadership and competence from the rest of your comrades in ANC government

      ryan.a.smith.3958 - 2012-11-15 16:19

      clear enough for you Zuma ??!!! try dodge that

  • muke.matshaba - 2012-11-15 16:20

    Ur ministers wont conflict on this issues mr president,the reasons been fear of victimisation n been accused of anti-zuma.Honestly speaking since uv been into power crime,unemployment,influx control and violent protesting are on the highest increse its better to step down peacefully for the sake of south africa and the entire continent.

      om.nom.nom.01 - 2012-11-15 16:47

      Don't forget their houses are also getting a multi million rand upgrade courtesy of Zooomer. (Paid for by you & me, the taxpayer).

  • warren.rodel - 2012-11-15 16:21

    I deny his competence, AND.....

  • jacob.zoomer.9 - 2012-11-15 16:23

    "This is my will and I have spoken! I will run this country into the ground then retire to my compound and relax while you lot die in the streets." or that is what I shouldve said. But seriously, what is he smoking? How can he sit there with a straight (fat) face and proclaim that there is leadership in the country, a country which is burning and dying little by little everyday. He's a complete twat. If someone starts a political party with a donkey's ass as the leader, and we're forced to vote purely on personality, I vote for the ass.

      Erna - 2012-11-15 16:40

      Never mind him keeping a straight face imagine the poor people having to listen to him!

      jenny.webbe - 2012-11-16 19:58

      He still doesn't have a viewpoint or vision for SA. All he seems to actually do is plan how to spend money, get married, procreate and invent ways to prevent opposition parties from enquiring too closely into how our tax money is being wasted by him and his cronies. He is also quite good at planning how to muzzle the press and the judiciary so that any reports on corruption and misuse of state funds will soon have no voice at all. Way to go Zuma - you have done a great job in imploding all SA has achieved; the only good thing that has happened is that despite your attempt to create division between races, we are all begining to see that YOU and your cronies are the enemy - not racism. In fact you are uniting us all, even though you and your party try hard to keep the old myths about racist SA alive. Do yourself and us all a favour and resign - its the right thing to do!

  • ray.molekoa.5 - 2012-11-15 16:24

    I think this is the most stupid president Africa has ever produced . But according to my observation , people with low IQ and level of intelligence like those of the opposite sex . To them it I'd quite and achievement when they score . So his behavior and wife collecting tendency says it all .

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-11-15 16:39

      Haha brilliant comment!

  • WHMuller - 2012-11-15 16:24

    The only thing this president can do VERY well is deny...

      Cherri - 2012-11-15 16:26

      and steal....

      BigChiefPlumbPudding - 2012-11-15 16:31

      And be unavailable for anything

  • wesley.bischoff - 2012-11-15 16:25

    Denial, excuses, blame-game... 'tis but tactics of the ANC morons

  • compos.mentis.58 - 2012-11-15 16:25

    “Above all, don't lie to yourself. The man who lies to himself and listens to his own lie comes to a point that he cannot distinguish the truth within him, or around him, and so loses all respect for himself and for others. And having no respect he ceases to love.” ? Fyodor Dostoyevsky, The Brothers Karamazov

  • Daniel Mah - 2012-11-15 16:25

    oh goodness - and he goes in circles instead of answering the question, he gives a lame lecture

  • attie.gerber.1 - 2012-11-15 16:26

    zuma you can fooled me. your ministers like yourself is useless and are not leaders at all. you show me one minister that the public can say hell the minster does a good job. they are all sitting on cload nine reaping the benefits of huge salaries, fancy cars overseas trips etc. take the minister of labor. i have not heard he saying one thing about the strikes in the country. everything is doen by the unions etc, but she can take an overseas trip with all the unrest in the country at the moment. lets not even talk about the education crises

  • talana.malherbe - 2012-11-15 16:27

    Ok Zoomer here is your chance to show us what you are made of. Hand over the tapes. Prove you are worthy to be president. LOL Thought so!

      BigChiefPlumbPudding - 2012-11-15 16:32

      And go to the WC in person. Go and show both workers and farmers that you actually care about them and want to solve their issues. Well of course you won't because you couldn't give a hoot.

  • nikelom - 2012-11-15 16:27

    Am just sick of your opportunistic "forever victimhood" play Jacob. What about us!

  • wesley.vorsatz - 2012-11-15 16:27

    Delusional

  • Rob Allen - 2012-11-15 16:28

    well this just says it all! Useless lot get OUT

  • chris.phago - 2012-11-15 16:28

    Zuma is not a leader\he's a ladder.The only thing he knows is corruption n getting married very year.He still hv a case to answer in the court of law.\r\nSACP nd Zuma r always raping the justice if things r not on their side.\r\nBLade big Mouth Nzimande nd Zuma must leave ANC alone n form their Tripalist Party(TP)

  • tobydt - 2012-11-15 16:29

    "Am I my brothers keeper?"

  • lydonmcg - 2012-11-15 16:29

    I struggled to make sense of that long-winded drivel. What a twat.

  • Erna - 2012-11-15 16:31

    Of course he would deny it but it's not he who is judging!

  • phae.rayden - 2012-11-15 16:32

    Jacob you are an utterly useless president and totally out of order. You are a liar, thief, coward, backstabber, criminal, manipulator, user, greedy, devious, betrayer of a human being. Not sure what's left to point out to you. Its time you realised your faithful are greedy pigs sticking around for the criminal wealth they can attain by your side. You sir are a disgrace, and an embarrassment to people across South Africa. I recently learned the African way is to say, respect is lost not earned, and I love it. You Jacob have lost my respect. Come get me Blade!

      mitch.dhooghe - 2012-11-15 16:34

      well said!

  • tamlyn.botha.1 - 2012-11-15 16:32

    Seriously, a wishy-washy response with no substance! If that's his reply, then why, OH WHY, is he in that position? "Leadership should not be selective???" Sure, only when it suits him! It's great to be a leader when taxpayers are building his castle and subsidising his wives.... yes then it's selective!

  • matsutle.aphane - 2012-11-15 16:34

    there is no leadership in him( jz zuma) but there are capable individual who can lead this organisation and the country exeptionally,the likes of trevor manuel,nkosazane zuma,can discharge the job if given to them,