Zuma 'misled' Mbeki

2012-03-11 12:10

Johannesburg - President Jacob Zuma assured his predecessor, Thabo Mbeki, that he would see out the remainder of his term in office, but hours later, Mbeki was recalled by the ANC.

This is one of the most dramatic revelations penned in a new book by former presidency director-general Frank Chikane titled Eight Days in September: The Removal of Thabo Mbeki.

Zuma’s meeting with Mbeki came in the wake of public threats by ANC Youth League leader Julius Malema in September 2008 that Mbeki would be sacked by the party’s national executive committee (NEC) when it met that weekend.

Malema’s calls were fuelled by a finding of the Pietermaritzburg High Court that Zuma’s corruption prosecution was politically motivated. The ruling was later overturned.

“There is a debate about whether or not Zuma meant what he said both in public and in private about the removal of Mbeki,” Chikane writes.

Increased profile

The book has been published at a time when Mbeki’s public profile has risen by him assuming an active public role and as the ANC prepares for an elective conference in nine months.

Mbeki, who has hardly participated in domestic politics since his sacking in 2008, attended the ANC’s 100th birthday bash in Mangaung in January and has been increasingly outspoken on continental issues.

There has been speculation about whether or not he would use his clout to influence leadership succession in December.

In his book, Chikane reveals:

- How the private relationship between Mbeki and Zuma turned sour following the National Prosecuting Authority’s decision to prosecute Zuma’s financial adviser, Schabir Shaik;

- That he approached both Mbeki and Zuma to express his concern about how Shaik’s prosecution would affect the functioning of the presidency;


- How he and then ANC secretary-general Kgalema Motlanthe tried to rope in former president Nelson Mandela to reconcile Zuma and Mbeki, but how the plan was foiled by the 2006 hoax email saga that implicated Chikane - and which Motlanthe believed;

- Why Mbeki avoided attending ANC meetings following his defeat by Zuma in Polokwane;

- That Zuma had voluntarily stepped down as ANC deputy president in 2005 at an ANC NEC meeting following Shaik’s conviction on fraud and corruption charges;

- Why Mbeki decided to comply with the ANC’s decision to recall him without putting up any resistance;

- Mbeki’s unpublished farewell letter to his Cabinet and the emotional parting with his Cabinet colleagues;

Helped Mbeki

- How Motlanthe intervened and provided airforce assistance to a stranded Mbeki when the axed former president needed to move out of his official residence;

- How the relationship between Parliament and the presidency soured following Mbeki’s recall; and

- How Motlanthe was hamstrung in his final days as president, and could not act without consulting Zuma.

ANC secretary-general Gwede Mantashe refused to comment on Chikane’s claims, saying there would be “chaos” if the ruling party responded to every member who wrote about it.

Chikane is writing a second book on Mbeki’s policies.

  • Simnikiwe - 2012-03-11 12:28

    Not surprised, thats how the world works. Keep your friends close, but your enemies even closer.

  • Morne - 2012-03-11 12:36

    This is going to be an intersting book to read.

      Balan - 2012-03-11 17:39

      who is going to benefit from the sales of this book

  • maseratifittipaldi - 2012-03-11 12:38

    This is but one of the reasons that political parties should be banned. Too much time, energy and money wasted on silly little "power" games while the people of S.A. suffer. How many billions did the ANC not waste on ego, greed and megalomania since the 90's ?

      Anthony - 2012-03-11 13:03

      the DA--they are not all corrupt

      Hrh - 2012-03-11 14:30

      I agree with you Balstrome.

      maseratifittipaldi - 2012-03-11 14:46

      Balstrome : It is a sad day when our creativity is dampened by dogma. Your comment reflects your own ignorance.

      roi.boss1 - 2012-03-15 08:15

      maserati i bet you still have a nostalgic feel about the bad old days. typical apartheid mentality

  • Larry - 2012-03-11 12:56

    Liars being taken in by Liars. How ironical.

  • Lumko Ntshinka - 2012-03-11 12:57

    Sounds like an interesting book, a must get thats 4 sho, good for you Chikane, make a killing out of their petty squables, now somebody please make a good movie out of this.

      Balan - 2012-03-11 17:43

      Yeah the movie will be a replica of District Nine

  • Trevor - 2012-03-11 13:05

    Only problem is, it won't hurt the ANC because the majority whom they keep poor,uneducated and in need, are the one's who vote and who will NEVER see this book let alone be able to read it...they are thus very easy to manipulate...just bring the race card or ancestors like Zuma ALWAYS does...and they don't expect the ANC leadership to more than mildly irritated at this but not worried in the least.

      Sinudeity - 2012-03-11 13:22

      Mtshezi - So start a black opposition party then. Or, do you want to keep selling your soul for corrupt top dawgs?

      johan.vanhoff - 2012-03-11 13:30


      Timothy - 2012-03-11 14:47

      I am black and unlike Mtshezi is prepared to give a chance to someone who will deliever. The reason I am prepared to do so is because the ANC is just a name. None of the corrupt current leaders fought for this Freedom. However truth be told "White people are not showing remorse". People are still experiencing the worst kind of racism in their workplace where a white man controls. Why should we believe that we are a country that moved forward and racism is in the past and we can now vote for a white man?

      Liz - 2012-03-11 15:48

      @Adam its exactly your kind of remark that keeps so many of these divisions going. You are actually suggesting that the DA is an elitist party where you must get your grammar and spelling right. Clearly poverty stricken masses will not find a political home there!

      Balan - 2012-03-11 17:48

      @Mtshezi Yonk, you are an IDIOT and you are a BIG MORON

      Johan - 2012-03-15 10:01

      @tim123...whatever...every time a white person tells you to do or not to do something its racism. You believe that a white person should have no say anymore. You are as big a racist as Mtshezi at the top here. As for the show no remorse...You beat a dog with a stick once or twice he will obey you, but carry on just because you enjoy it or because you can and he will eventually turn on you....Get over yourself

  • blaqmonk - 2012-03-11 13:07

    Should be an interesting read, can't wait to get a copy

  • Lavida Koekemoer - 2012-03-11 13:10

    I think Zuma is a traitor

  • Lavida Koekemoer - 2012-03-11 13:10

    I think Zuma is a traitor

      Tony - 2012-03-11 14:19

      I think he is a pice of sh**.

      Vegi - 2012-03-11 14:42

      He is untrustworthy, a notorious backstabber and a behind the scenes operator.

      Francois - 2012-03-11 16:33

      Veqi, your answers on yesterday's questions are still outstanding. Here is a new one: Who would you like to be president of the country and if you do not like Zuma, what are you doing to see to it that he does not get a second term?

  • Stephen John Coetzee - 2012-03-11 13:14

    Before you they kiss your baby,behind your back they steal its dummy....that is what politicians do...they stab each other in the back at any oppertunity

      dineo.mathebula - 2012-03-11 15:38 I lyk da way u say "opportunity"...said it lyk Mr Pres m in stitches.

  • Mtshezi Yonk'insipho Iyawasha Mkhize - 2012-03-11 13:17

    We are educated, Black n will see the book (from this opportunist) n will still vote the ANC!!! No way we putting a white man in the Union Buildings not in South Africa not ever again!!! Deal with it.....

      Adam - 2012-03-11 15:30

      Go outside and get a tan, it is a lovely day.

      Thomas Tunder - 2012-03-11 16:41

      You boast about your education but you make decisions for you children through hatred. If your vote is cast based on colour you advertise something quite different to education. Maybe try look for character and substance, it can be found in all \colours\.

      Balan - 2012-03-11 17:52

      Mtshezi Yonk, you are a Racist Idiot

      hein.huyser - 2012-03-12 06:42

      Africa will always be its own worst enemy. Who cares what colour person leads parlaiment? If he/she is incompetent he/she doesn't deserve that seat. When will you chops stop your race hate? Sies for you

      Paul - 2012-03-15 08:37

      Mtshezi Yonk: Dont be so stoopid! Your racist beliefs are used by the ANC to keep them in power so at the end of the day you're just being used by propgandistic values carefully cultivated by the Chiefs in Charge, and they're not for your own good. Very few South Africans want anything but a good government that works for all the people. You're not one of them.

  • Sinudeity - 2012-03-11 13:21

    Zuma is a snake. What did Mbeki expect?

  • Brian M Sithole - 2012-03-11 14:07

    And what does this revelation have to do with the price of eggs? People would do any and everything to jump onto the bandwagon of mediocrity.

  • Matanje - 2012-03-11 14:15

    So what? Does Thabo Mbeki or any of his supporters seriously think South Africa misses a fiasco that would have dearly loved to be an event? At leastJacob Zuma can entertain us with Zulu dances complete with choreographic gyrations around the machine-gun of his signature-tune UMSHINIWAMI! The only entertainment we can expect from Thabo Mbeki right now (and also if he tries hard enough to thaw out of that dour meerkat deportment), is to try and serve in Mangaung his cold dish, if he has any, in terms of revenge on a Zuma that trounced him in Polokwane. But nobody wants Mbeki or any of his ilk back into South African politics, for even the shortcomings in Zuma's current government are in fact of the Mbeki-Mandela making. Poor Mr Zuma is carrying the can precisely because he is trying to be a nationalist where, under Mbeki, naked tribalism pro-Eastern Cape was practised: THE EXACT REASON WHY WE ARE SICK OF ZUMA NOW BECAUSE OF HIS DISMAL FAILURE TO ROLL BACK THE TRIBALISM ERECTED UNDER THE NOSE (AND TO THE AROMATIC PLEASURE) OF THABO MVUYELWA MBEKI, it would seem. This is the reality at least in the case of one Zini-Bobelo whose corruption was effectively condoned by Thabo Mbeki and the whistle-blower Phiri, a non-Xhosa, subjected to persecution through the courts for the eleventh year running in 2012! ALL ALONG TRIBAL LINES OF PEOPLE WHO TALK THE ISIXHOSA LANGUAGE LIKE THABO MBEKI.

      Adam - 2012-03-11 15:36

      Matanje seems you are a bit of a racist. You see it is not only black and white, but now Xhosa and Zulu. BTW a well copied comment.

      mashienyanepatricia - 2012-03-11 15:48

      we don't want zuma 2 entertain us with zulu dances,we want service delivery..that's it

      Francois - 2012-03-11 17:03

      Muziwandile Tatsujin Kaosu Twala, it is a public forum and disregarding how stupid you may think Matanje's comment is, there is no need to swear at him. Anyhow in that way, you loose your argument anyhow. As for the question: Who want to be entertained by a President? Everybody that goes overboard the moment Zuma calls for his machine gun - the problem is that he is an entertainer and not a leader and that is one of the biggest problems of the country!

  • Roy - 2012-03-11 14:18

    Shows you how untrustworthy anyone in the ANC is. Everyone is a liar and a cheat and they are all there to line their pockets and to Hell with South Africa.

  • Tony - 2012-03-11 14:19

    Will the book be in the "fact" or "fiction" section.... Just asking .. after all we all know that Showerkop is somewhat of a raconteur.. Storyteller... Aw just a plain old liar.... I think some would agree, hey Shabir, Julius, Thabo, to name but a few?

  • Holly - 2012-03-11 14:29

    What else did Mbeki expect from a lying, corrupt, philandering President.

  • Vegi - 2012-03-11 14:50

    Zuma has never heard of the word "honour".

      Sinudeity - 2012-03-11 14:56

      And somehow he became president of the ANC. What does that say about ur party dude?

  • Douglas Ramathuba - 2012-03-11 15:06

    zuma mislead mbeki

  • curtiswelliem - 2012-03-11 15:19

    This book is funded by the corrupt DA

      Sinudeity - 2012-03-11 15:22

      You must be an ANC supporter. Even worse, a Zuma supporter.

      Irene - 2012-03-11 15:23

      And this matters because? Who cares where the funding came from, at least the snake is revealed. Try thinking for a change.

      Mark - 2012-03-11 19:59

      I take it you now, after having the ANC in power for nearly 20 years, understand what corruption is? Great to see you've learned something, next we'll attempt logic but this may take a while in your case......

      Kim - 2012-03-15 08:31

      @curtiswelliem: If you declare the DA corrupt with minimal evidence; then by contrast you must have seriously grave concerns over the ANC’s level of corruption given the rising level of factual evidence of corruption at every turn and almost every government project undertaken.

  • velilejonathan.williams - 2012-03-11 16:09

    Frank Chikane!

  • Johann Enslin - 2012-03-11 16:49

    Creating credibility and generating momentum to gain a position of influence for a Mbeki rebirth? Both camps equally destructive.

  • Tebogo Ngulube - 2012-03-11 17:02

    I know some of the whites will think of a falling of ANC sorry country men it is still to early. our media confuse us don't shout at me for a thing you know please.

      Tony - 2012-03-11 20:26


      Zukile - 2012-03-13 12:01

      Isnt that obvious Ngulube or are you resembling your second name?? Wake up is realy going down; lack of leadership and vision; and where there is no vision people perish, so is the organisation....down down down and slowly down to the drain like PAC

  • Bruce Arnett - 2012-03-11 17:30

    I wonder what Madiba thinks about what has become of the ANC? I can't help thinking that he must harbour a painful sadness at what the organisation has degenerated into from the noble movement it was in the past.

  • Mark - 2012-03-11 19:56

    Mbeki wasn't the only one misled. Zuma came to power through Malema and the ANCYL, and those who wanted their chance at the feeding trough. Zuma was heading for jail, probably a whole host of them as well and thus Mbeki had to go. This is not news.

  • Tumelo - 2012-03-11 20:27

    Remind me again, who is Mbeki? The man at the height of: 1.Possible electricity black out crisis said "what crisis..there's no crisis. 2. Aids epidemic said "What aids, Manto tell them Garlic and beetroot can cure that thing, so there's no crisis. 3. On Mugabe persecuting his people said" what crisis.. there's no crisis in Zimbabwe" Now you tell me to vote his return..? That'll be like voting for Gozille to be become this country's President. I would rather stick with the man of the moment. Now children repeat after me ..President Jacob Zuma.

      Zukile - 2012-03-13 11:55

      weed smocker....flies are camping in your mouth, wakeup!!

  • Raul - 2012-03-11 20:32

    Any New news?Who else did he misled? Shabir? The SARS? The NPA? The courts? And who did Mbeki misled? Misleading the misled or misleadingly mislaeding the misled. What about MISMANAGE,MISDEED,MISDEAL,MISCONDUCT,MISCHIEVOUS,MISCHIEF MISJUDGE,MISREPRESENT,MISINFORM OR MISFIT. That's why things MISFIRED and there is a MISCARRIAGE OF JUSTICE. Are we becoming or are we already a BANANA REPLUBIC?

      Zukile - 2012-03-13 11:56

      Close there Raul close there buddy!!

  • Johane Muhoni - 2012-03-11 21:11

    is this another preamble to the Mbeki comeback? Just wondering...

      Francois - 2012-03-11 23:46

      Mbeki can do us all a favour and give all the details about the arms deal, oilgate and the Zim 2002 election and support for Bob to us. Then he can explain to us what is more important: The right to self determination or human rights and explain how, disregarding all the evidence, he could see self determination in Lybia and Zim as being more important than human rights, disregarding the fact that in Lybia, the people did not have the right to self determination and in Zim when the self determined that they did not want Bob, that he himself saw to it that Bob gets another 10 years and still counting (the years and the dead bodies). Then he can, with Julius Malema, establish a whole new political party, the Party for the young poor and jobless - as it was he that saw to it that today's young got the worst education possible and then we will also know who represents the poor. I think a lot of people would like to see a comeback like that. Pity Mbeki thinks he is holy and made no mistakes. For the political power that he had post 99 election, he must go down as, except for Zuma and Botha, as the most stupid and worst head of state since the formation of the Union of SA.

      Zukile - 2012-03-13 12:02

      To whose benefit Francois??

  • Mark - 2012-03-12 05:03

    Like FW misleading PW... South Africans politicians have no sense of loyalty, whatever the color.

      Zukile - 2012-03-13 12:03

      LOL I give up; I wasnt aware

      Paul - 2012-03-15 08:42

      But in all honesty here. PW had to go huh? The man had lost it completely!

  • kenneth.lubisi - 2012-03-14 11:59

    this is one typical political behaviour, never ask a favour from a politician coz he will want to control you.

  • kenneth.lubisi - 2012-03-14 12:02

    this is a typical example of political behaviour, never ask a favour from a politician because he'll want to control you

  • Itumeleng Thuglife Tshatiwa - 2012-03-15 06:11

    I have to get a copy of this book

  • guy.goes1 - 2012-03-15 08:31

    whow Zuma misled Mbeki, mbeki misled the nation , the anc continues to mislead all of us. Democracy will only be indulged with as long as the ANC is in charge, watch this space if the comrades loose their strangle hold ,they will never accept majority rule if it turns against them.

  • Paul - 2012-03-15 08:31

    So this 'media reporting' makes one feel the need to buy this book eh? Clever marketing ploy to get the book sold.

  • Paul - 2012-03-15 08:41

    Frank Chicane too, was not without his own controversy at the time. Does this mean Mbeki is making a re-run for power? Zuma out and Mbeki in again soon? If so, those dimwits @ the ANC's NEC are just power hungry, money hungry buffoons who will swing any way towards the flavour of the day.

  • Rudi - 2012-03-15 09:09

    New soap on SABC 3 Primetime - ANC politics- Or maybe it can even be a reality show. Lots of villians, thieves, backstabbers,smooth talkers, liars ect.

  • monde.mbingeleli - 2012-03-15 10:20

    Uyibethe esikhonkwaneni Never Again!!!! they must just deal with it!!!

  • mdy.chauke - 2012-03-16 13:35

    let the Polokwane saga continues up until Mangaung on Dec 2012 afterwards the ANC can leak it's wounds & talk of reconcilliating it's factions cause the Mbeki Zuma debacle has cause a lot of harm to the party.

  • luvuyo.mtwa1 - 2012-03-27 20:03

    The book will do a good read.However,I am just worried to note that Malema had a big influence to the recall.Is it maybe why he is now been suspended before he does another damage by influencing another decision.

  • mzondistanley - 2012-06-21 16:37

    Mbeki is a victim of his own making after Public Humiliation of Zuma in Public and Zulu is a Proud not only Tribe but Nation!!!!

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