Zuma says no to death penalty

2012-03-15 22:14

Cape Town - President Jacob Zuma has killed any notion of the death penalty being re-introduced.

Zuma was asked during question time in the National Assembly on Thursday whether he would consider establishing a judicial commission to probe whether giving the high courts the freedom, after due legal process, to impose the death penalty for murder.

A clearly surprised Zuma responded: "Did I hear the honourable member [say] the freedom to sentence people to death? Is that what he's saying? I don't think I'll take a decision and establish a judicial commission of inquiry on that issue. I will not.

"This is a decision that was taken by the Constitutional Court. And it is left like that, I won't do it. Absolutely, very clear," he said.

  • Jaffea Joe - 2012-03-15 22:21

    Well done Msholozi...

      Ian - 2012-03-15 23:14

      He will lose half of his friends.....

      John - 2012-03-15 23:14

      Msholozi will not jump the gun before Manugang 2012 Has nothing to do with "WELL DONE"

      Sam - 2012-03-15 23:42

      Precisely, Jaffea Joe.

      Sean - 2012-03-16 00:23

      Otherwise more than half the ANC would be executed !!

      Consolata Connie Lodya - 2012-03-16 06:01

      I dont think that I will need jz or the courts permission to proceed with the death penalty for anyone who kills or rapes someone close to me, it would be nice to get it though.

      Walter - 2012-03-16 06:17

      Yeh, yeh, BUT he doesn't mind legislating against access to information which is also unconstitutional in it's present format!

      RA - 2012-03-16 06:18

      coz he knows all his buddies will go 6ft under

      Burtfred - 2012-03-16 06:26

      Besides what the fool Zuma thinks about the matter, we should not have the death penalty in SA. The intention and purpose of legal punishment is threefold: To rehabilitate the perpetrator, to satisfy society's need for retribution and to dissuade others from commiting the same offence. The death penalty achieves all three of these objectives. The purpose of a state justice system is to interpret the laws that were made by politicians and to dispense justice in a fair and open way, without fear or favour. In a South African context, this begs some pondering. Are all our laws fair and just? Is our justice system proficient in the dispensing of justice? Whilst I agree that certain types of proven criminals should be subject to a punishment as decisive and final as the death penalty, I don't believe that South Africa's justice system as it presently stands deserves to have such a powerful tool at it's disposal. It will, without doubt, be abused by the all-powerful ruling party to silence their critics, just as it was by the previous regime. In this regard, we have already witnessed the thin edge of the wedge in the way that the blue light brigades behave towards the public. Political considerations aside, our law courts are in such terminal disarray, there will in all likelihood sometimes be executions of the wrong prisoner. No, South Africa should not have the death penalty on our statute books. Our current government just don't deserve to have it as an option.

      Mike - 2012-03-16 07:04

      half the anc would be gone - wow - what a pleasure

      Anthony - 2012-03-16 07:27

      @Ian, himself but that will be a good thing hahaha...

      Andre - 2012-03-16 07:31

      And abortions, or do they not count?

      Smell - 2012-03-16 08:07

      Burtfred, how does the death penalty "rehabilitate" the perpetrator? Other than that, I agree with your sentiments. A life sentence in an SA jail, overcrowded with violent psychopaths, is probably worse than a death sentence. Our problem is more an issue of poor policing standards, revolving door justice and a bail system that seem to allow crazy decision making by some judges. Underpinning it all is poverty and a governing culture that does not seem to be too disturbed by crime.

      Youefoh - 2012-03-16 08:11

      YA Zuma does not want to kill his BROTHERS, you think aids kills well if the death penalty was reinstated that would be the biggest killer in SA. Zuma, you are a chop.

      Bomb - 2012-03-16 08:31

      Is that Zulu for "showerhead"?

      Burtfred - 2012-03-16 10:03

      @ Smell On the basis that the purpose of rehabilitation is to teach the perpetrator to not commit any more offences. If you execute a criminal, he will definitely not murder again. Rehabilitation achieved.

      Johannvw13 - 2012-03-16 10:52

      People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people

      Smell - 2012-03-21 04:05

      Burtfred, extermination is not a form of rehabilitation.

  • Anneck - 2012-03-15 22:22

    Spoken like a true clueless idiot.

  • Jonathon - 2012-03-15 22:22

    He's probably scared his crimes will have him walking down the green mile one day.....

      Kolobe - 2012-03-16 05:55

      introduce it and start with those that got our families missing before 94

      Silvana - 2012-03-16 06:07

      @Kolobe I thought that was dealt with at the TRC. Remember Winnie would be one of them. The people in Parys haven't forgiven her for Stompie Sipei.

      methedex - 2012-03-16 07:30

      Most of the people that got your families "missing" are already probably dead because it's been so long!! Why not start with the thugs that threaten your families now! Like the ANC and ANCYL?

      Felix - 2012-03-16 08:04

      Although you love trollin Kolobe, I would even be happy with that. We could do away with the militants from both sides (it would be sad watching Madiba fry after all the goo he has done :(... ) then we could quickly get stuck in to the murderers and rapists, we would have so much spare tax money left over from their free luxury hotels we could probably get Eskom working again.

      Felix - 2012-03-16 08:06

      *good -fricking phuza thursday.

      Peter - 2012-03-16 08:15

      Robert McBride, get to the front of the que you S.O.B.

      methedex - 2012-03-16 09:18

      Loved your comment felix!!

  • Gloria - 2012-03-15 22:24

    Why am I not surprised????

  • Tanie - 2012-03-15 22:30

    He's got a point there. Adding to that our judiciary is not mature enough to get things right. I bet news24 will lose business because everyone commenting here qualifies a death sentence. So well-done Mr President.

      Demetrius.Syriopoulos - 2012-03-16 08:28

      ag, nee Omm Kriek, daar rook jy daii goeie goed al weer. who exactly in here has committed any murders? pray tell if you know then i can go ahead and agree with you. i brilinat example is Humphries, we killed 20 kids and he sits in jail to live out his days. now, will his death bring back the kids, NO it will not, but i am damn sure it will make the families happy to know that they are not feeding him in jail with their tax money.

  • Eric Mdudus Shaku - 2012-03-15 22:34

    No one on this earth has a right to judge to death its only God,death penalty its another crime,and you people who believe in death penality,will you execute those sentence to death?

      Alfred - 2012-03-15 23:05

      Yeh, God and the criminals delivering 50 death sentences every day to innocent people.

      Kevin - 2012-03-16 04:29

      Then why do criminals get the right to kill the innocent and are protected by the law pushed by greedy lawyers who know a dead criminal will not give repeat business

      zaatheist - 2012-03-16 05:43

      Which god? There are literally thousands of them.

      Silvana - 2012-03-16 06:19

      @zaatheist You are such a bore. It's always the same attention seeking tune with you

      Gerhard - 2012-03-16 07:36

      Oh F*ck yes!!!! I will press that button to rid our society of murderous and rapist scum with the greatest of satisfactions. You say only god decide who lives and who does not? Where is he when a young child is raped and murdered? Where?

      Michael - 2012-03-16 08:31

      Dear Eric, you are absolutely right, no-one has the right to judge however, it's merely the meeting between said scum and God that most of us would be happy to arrange.

      Demetrius.Syriopoulos - 2012-03-16 08:45

      Eric, let me for just a second humour you and agree with you. let us also for a second forget the adults that get raped and murdered. so, where is this god of yours that can decide upon death? where is he, or maybe you would like to be politicaly correct and say that god is a she. point is where is this god that alegedly loves all his creatures when a child is raped or murdered. does he love this child less, does he not care, or is just a matter of casualties of "war"? or maybe this god of yours does not care because the child that was born out of this so called marriage by two people that may or may not be commited to each other or may have had a accident. and now what about the 50Kg woman that gets raped by a 12Kg man because she cannot fight him off. does this god of yours not care about her too. is that why he made her small build so that she can be raped? what about all those people that get killed / murdered in their homes by intruders some while sleeping? yours god does not care about them too i guess. this list could go on and on as we that are not criminals are all petential victums or rape and murder. so, by process of elimination, your god only loves the murderes that the system has to protect. you are welcome to keep this god of yours and go and live with him, i will keep mine, at least my one gave me a brain that he was not scared to allow me to use it.

      K0BUSL - 2012-03-16 09:20

      Hi Eric, By committing a crime, the perpetrator has elected to live outside of our society and the rules that we as a society have in place to regulate our it and therefore should pay a debt to society before being allowed to rejoin us. A criminal if convicted should lose all Rights and Priviledges the citizens of this country have earned by being Law Abiding. Offenders found guilty of Murder, Rape, Child abuse or Molestation should face the ultimate penalty by forfeiting their LIFE RIGHT. Our legal system makes provision that the punishment should suit the crime, providing our judiciary with Maximum Punishment for different types of crimes and circumstances to prevent overzealousness from judges being influenced by public outcry. For certain crimes (such as Murder, Rape, Child Abuse and the Destruction of peoples lives) I do believe that the Death Penalty should be used although I feel that an automatic appeal system would have to be in place. I personally would rather face the guilt of one Innocent human executed than 10 Guilty Men being set Free. And yes, if the death penalty was introduced I would be prepared to Execute a Criminal who judged under Man's Laws has been found guilty of such hideous crimes that no other sentence could be effective.

  • maseratifittipaldi - 2012-03-15 22:35

    "Zuma says no to death penalty" It does not have to go that way. He can just resign and pay back all the money he wasted. Arrogant too. No manners. Should have said "No, thank you".

  • Senzo Mathebula - 2012-03-15 22:40

    An eye for an eye only makes the whole world blind

      Alfred - 2012-03-15 23:06

      True, but statistics will show that criminals who are executed have a 0% chance of re-offending.

      Senzo Mathebula - 2012-03-15 23:12

      @ Alfred lol... Wait until u r false accused. How cum now one screens hang them when the mules r caught in Asia

      Senzo Mathebula - 2012-03-15 23:14

      I'm drinking okay.. Hope u can get it

      Alfred - 2012-03-15 23:52

      No worries Senzo, I get your point ;)

      Demetrius.Syriopoulos - 2012-03-16 08:50

      i am not avocating Sharia Law, i i do not agree with it in full, however Senzo, how come they have so few people amongst the millions in countries where is is practiced that do not walk around with just one hand? you are aware they chop off hands of theives i hope.

  • Kidwell Prime Mokadi - 2012-03-15 23:06

    I believe South Africa is a democratic country.I agree with my Honourable president.It's not humans who should revenge dead with dead.Death penalty makes the society murders.we must be nation of values and moral beliefs.

      martha.stclair - 2012-03-16 07:29

      Nicely said

      K0BUSL - 2012-03-16 09:22

      Hi Kidwell, I agree in principle, but then our Honourable President and his fellow Leaders should set the example and not make a mockery of our LAWS

  • Econwald - 2012-03-15 23:11

    He's probably scared his crimes will have him walking down the green mile one day.....

      Sam - 2012-03-15 23:45

      Don't be so damn stupid. Or if you can't help it, have the wisdom to shut up.

      Sean - 2012-03-16 00:25

      @Econwald - Yip , including most of his comrades!

  • Caroline - 2012-03-15 23:18

    Funny how some people all of a sudden come out in defence of the death penalty.

      Sam - 2012-03-15 23:46

      Haven't you noticed that 'some people' have been against it all along?

  • Eric Mdudus Shaku - 2012-03-15 23:20

    Dont you know that if you revenge by death ,you are purifyng all the sins of killer to enter straight to heaven like sinless person and his or her sins will be paid by executer and sentencie

      Trackless - 2012-03-15 23:35

      Bwa,ha,ha, ha, ha ,ha ,ha, ha.....from what planet are you coming from?? Hey chap, you are in SA...the only way for you to be set free by God, is to ask for forgiveness and show remorse....and not to do it again...not to get locked up just to be set free and commit another 3 murders!! Our Lord Jesus will decide what will happen to you, not you or anybody has that power and as far as I understand it is a crime and injustice and also in the eye of the Lord!!! Read your 10 commandments and understand them.

      zaatheist - 2012-03-16 05:47

      What bollocks/ SO you know all about this heaven filled with executed Americans became born again on death row. And you want to join them in heaven. PAH! Let us for a moment assume there is such a place as heaven. Nobody knows what it is like but we do know who is going to be there. Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, George Bush, Benny Hinn, hundreds of popes and Jeffrey Dahmer (who saved himself before his execution). Would you want to spend eternity with that bunch? No sirree! Not me. So lets see if the companions who we will meet in hell are likely to be more congenial. George Carlin, Christopher Hitchens, Albert Einstein, Mahatma Gandhi, Winston Churchill, Nelson Mandela, you name it all the interesting people are in hell. And where do the bad girls go, heh?

      Tony - 2012-03-16 05:53

      Oh Eric, coming from. Xenophobic racist ........... R sol!

      Teboho Mphaloane - 2012-03-16 07:13

      My friend, we generally discourage people who have to take their meds from participating in forums. Comprende?

      Demetrius.Syriopoulos - 2012-03-16 08:55

      Teboho, whom are you refering to?

  • Trackless - 2012-03-15 23:22

    This decision is not about race, colour or is a tool that was instituted by God. You will be punished. We all know punishment fits the crime? this moment for murder you get arrested, go to jail 2-6 months and then you are free....for stealing billions of money you get advertised and keep your job...for not paying taxi fees you are run over by a car and get kicked in the face....for killing a farmer (and admitting to the crime) you get a clued up layer that will set you free...for stealing and abusing taxpayers money, you get to see the world and live in style...for driving like a idiot and chasing a train, ignoring road traffic signs and then kill 10 children, you get a treated like the victim and a lot of sympathy..W well, well well who once said crime does not pay?? Catch a wake up SA!!!! Catch a wake up and see what is happening!!!

      Andries Lubbe - 2012-03-16 01:05

      This is true. But it starts at the top, if the president can't make decisions to better the country, get rid of him!

  • Frans - 2012-03-15 23:25

    @Eric Mdudus Shaku,i'd love to know where you get those facts from?

      Eric Mdudus Shaku - 2012-03-15 23:27

      Bible Mr FRANS bt i cnt tell which page

      zaatheist - 2012-03-16 05:48

      @Eric Professional (I make my money peddling god) Xian, are you? What type of Christian are you? A Hansie Cronje, Joost van der Westhuizen, Ray McCauley, prosperity gospel (check my designer shades), Christian;? A Benny Hinn fraud faith healer (no amputees allowed), Christian? A Pope, hates gays, condoms, abortion, birth control and reports of clergy child abuse, Christian? A Joseph Smith, I found the gold tablets and Jesus visited America, Christian? A Glossolalia, cmtru wiggwagg snogerumpus slobberdam molosovic, tongue slobbering, rolling on the floor, Christian? A Jim Jones, have some Kool-Aid, Christian? A David Koresh, what a lovely little daughter you have, Christian? A Sun Myung Moon, the moonie messiah, Christian? A Seventh Day Adventist, Kellogg's Corn Flakes on Satuday, Chrsitian. A Jehovah's Witlness, sorry no blood transfusions and you are not one of the lucky 144000, Christian? A sex obsessed member of The Family type Christian? A Christian Scientist, we don't do doctors but pray even if kiddies die, Christian? A gun toting, rapture ready. American Jesus, the world is going to end this year, again, Christian? An Aryan National, neo nazi, we hate jews and people with dark skins and Jesus was a white man, Christian? An anti-science, anti-knowledge, the world is only 6000 years old, Christian? None of the above but a true ™, whatever that means, Christian? Understand my confustion? It helps to know where you are coming from

      Silvana - 2012-03-16 06:31

      @zaatheist you left someone out from your list. Godgrey Jeerer aka zaatheist. Idiot?

      planetdonovan - 2012-03-16 07:31

      lamest. comeback. ever.

      J-Man - 2012-03-16 07:50

      @ Eric.. Frans asked about "facts"......

      Bomb - 2012-03-16 08:08

      zaatheist....for an atheist you know a lot about religion. Time to come out of the closet, we forgive you.

      zaatheist - 2012-03-16 10:58

      @Silvana Now don;t run away. Do you know what a strawman is? Look it up. Now plase add to my list I would like you views.

      zaatheist - 2012-03-16 10:59

      @Bomb Been there and wasted to much time doing that. Of course if you have evidence for any gods then I am certainly interested.

  • Andries Lubbe - 2012-03-16 00:11

    It says in the old testament of the bible that if you commit murder, you should be murdered! There is nothing for criminals to fear in our country, that is why the crime rate is so high. Perhaps if our cabinet all went on a bible course and read a bit, they might understand why our constitution was based on Christian values. These leaders of ours have actually no idea what they are teaching. Look it up!

      Malcolm - 2012-03-16 00:20

      Do you do/support all the other things that it says in the old testament? Have you even read it? I doubt it...

      Andries Lubbe - 2012-03-16 00:48

      That is a hard one to answer Malcome. I won't make out to know the Bible entirely, but this was something I read a couple of nights ago. I know some people will argue that we should be following the new testament, but what about the old testament then? Do one just discard it? I just think not having a death penalty is the entire reason for crime escalating in the country. I immigrated because of it, it breaks my heart to see and hear what is going on in SA. I have been a victim of crime more than once, the police are corrupt, government officials are corrupt.. Where does one draw the line? Jail is like a bloody hotel for these uneducated fools. There is nothing to fear for them. At least if all polititians knew the bible, they might actualy understand the constitution. The ten commandends are very clear and that is something the law is written around. Surely the president can't just say no without actually doing some research on the subject. They rule the country like their own play pen, not to benefit the people!

      Refilwe IronMan Rakoma - 2012-03-16 02:44

      i remember Jesus on the proposed stoning of Marry Magdalene said who ever has not sinned may cast the first stone.\r\nLook the death penalty is a very sore subject for most south africans that suffered from this in the past, it was used as a mechanism to lawfully eliminate any man or woman who opposed the regime. I am not being backward, I am 29 now and my uncle suffered the same fate, the charge was terrorism, lets not go there guys, our people are uneducated, poor and at times require better services but advocating death, we are better than that, we are not murderers, they may be but not us, not the rainbow nation, lets not give in to this crap from julius malema and the crap from the raccist rich old guard, they are outliers and the real SA is a multicultural, beautiful, diverse, progressive, creative, united rainbow nation from gareth cliff to trevor noah, from jack parrow to HHP, from fikile mbalula to helen zille, we are full of character, lets know each other, lets learn about each other, learn why black zulu woman have to scream 'YEBO' during a spinning ruitine, learn why when a xhosa woman offers you food you are not ollowed to refuse, learn about the 'Schoeman's' family crest, cum on, there is so much knowlegde, heritage and beauty in this country of ours, lets embrace it more. Remember that feeling when the boks won the world cup in france! The gentlemen who does my garden calls himself 'BAKKIES' till this day, remember the feeling you had when the this country the centre of the world in 2010, we are so much more than squablers.

      Malcolm - 2012-03-16 07:22

      Please google for and read "why can't I own a Canadian" for a humerus yet true display of why using "what the old testament says" is a horrible way to try make a point. The Old Testament is filled to the brim with all sorts of horrible stuff that simply wouldn't be acceptable in a modern society, why can't I own a Canadian only Chery picks one or two of these things. Either you (1) Agree with EVERYTHING the old testament says and think it above flaw - in which case you truly are a horrible person or (2) Disagree with parts of it, in which case the entire thing is questionable and therefore you should not be using it to make decisions/arguments (especially about really important subjects like this) - Picking only parts of it when it suits you is either naive or dishonest. I feel for you as a victim of crime as well as all other victims of crime I really do, and you have a right to argue/ask for the death penalty if you want; I just take exception to anyone using the bible to argue so, especially the old testament. Personally I disagree and don't think it will help - but will on the other hand be a powerful tool to wield against political rivals - so think people should be more careful what they ask for.

  • inwardk - 2012-03-16 00:51

    democracy a la ANC

  • Andries Lubbe - 2012-03-16 01:00

    Why does it seem that when people write constructive critisism, others say it is racist and you must be white? I guess if you are black or pink you cant be racist :-)

  • Brad.Kopping - 2012-03-16 01:11

    -_- if you get rid of the they not pose a threat anymore?? IF YOU KILL THE CRIMINALS OF COURSE THE CRIME RATE WILL GO DOWN!!

  • Mo - 2012-03-16 01:30

    Ironic thing is, by saying no to the Death Penalty, He's killing South Africa.

  • HakeemLibala - 2012-03-16 02:17

    Mr Msholozi when U wer campagning U promised people referendum on this issue y now wat happened? U are a lying coniving President may U die a very painful death really wat U are doing to the masses is uncalled for we are not embiciles U know.... Hope U and or your family NXAMALA NINGAZE NIBE ZI VICTIMS ZE CRIME NIBONE HOW HEARTLESS AND CRUEL THESE CRIMINALS CAN B AND DA POST TRAUMATIC STRESS AFTER UVE BEEN A VICTIM OF CRIME KUBENZIMA NOHAMBA PANDLE OR UKUHLALA WEDWA ENDLIN LE YAKO..... GOD SAVE AZANIA

      Wilma Crous - 2012-03-16 07:09

      You tell him. That's the point they promise the moon & the stars while campaining ONLY to ensure votes. How many people still don't have houses, or running water?

  • Thulani Mthombeni-Five Skhibhas Sparks - 2012-03-16 02:34

    Come on now President Zuma wot did u say whilst campaigning???didn't u say this \Matter must be debated\???why the double standards now old man???

      Wilma Crous - 2012-03-16 07:06

      What he says & what he does is two very different things ...

      Michael - 2012-03-16 08:54

      Wilma - not true, he's really quite good at delivering on his fornication theory

  • Ntokozo V Zwane - 2012-03-16 02:34

    Its highly ironic that most of you are all for the death penalty but were quick to go against 'the shoot to kill' order for cops which had criminals in fear, true double standards. I believe that most of you are so blinded by hate and dislike for the ANC that you criticise everything they do even the good.

      Thulani Mthombeni-Five Skhibhas Sparks - 2012-03-16 02:37

      Comparing apples to oranges...

      Kevin - 2012-03-16 04:36

      Because the calibre of our cops meant the innocent would be shot . And we were correct.

      Lesly Herbay - 2012-03-16 05:32

      It might just be because there are so many corrupt cops, Einstein

      Ntokozo V Zwane - 2012-03-16 06:48

      And yet you believe people who get the death penalty will always be the right person? Thats why the death penalty is not used, because there is that possibility that an innocent person is found guilty and sentenced to it.

      Teboho Mphaloane - 2012-03-16 07:01

      Ntokozo, an innocent person can still be sent to life in prison and get abused, raped, or even killed by other inmates. It's not like prison is just a place where one can sit and reflect until he's found innocent - it's hell in there and a pardon can come too late. So, if the government is just afraid of hanging an innocent man, it's still all the same because they would have sent him to dwel with those animals that may kill him in the first place.

      johan.lampen - 2012-03-16 08:15

      Show me the good and they will get praise...

      Bomb - 2012-03-16 08:16

      Unfortunately a murder or crime victim doesn't have the same luxury of choice heh Ntokozo???

  • Stefan Snyman - 2012-03-16 03:39

    you see we live in a country where criminals rule. Look at our goverment. The new south africa was supposed to be about equality. Racism was supposed to be something of the past. But instead we have reverse racism and a country that is following zimbabwe. Of course the death penalty will never happen because then they cant make money or rule. I recall a certain member of parlements wife smuggeling drugs ect. The scorpions was the best thing that happened to south africa but even that was destroyed so that they can plunder our economy and country

  • Nyiko Ngobeni - 2012-03-16 03:41

    Silly and ignorant question. The courts follow judicial precedent and not what the president says. The Concourt has ruled on the matter and until the right to life clause is amended to allow the death penalty the courts can't sentence ppl to death..

      Michael Savage - 2012-03-16 05:29

      100% correct.

      Bomb - 2012-03-16 08:17

      What about a murder victim's right to life?

  • Sarel van Deventer - 2012-03-16 03:49

    if u rape and kill u should be killed, anyone that disagrees with that probably got an tendencie of their own or friends commiting the crimes!!!

  • Kevin - 2012-03-16 04:26

    Worried about the family and voters

  • eugene.vanes - 2012-03-16 05:11

    Well his family then killed for nothing the ......bmf

  • Spoed - 2012-03-16 05:41

    my uncle & mother was both murdered, the perps are sitting back in jail (probably out by now) on my tax rands -- the aftermath of their deaths are privelinet in our lifes to this day. how dare you take a life and are then not willing to die for it -- crime is not war - murder is murder- maybe when jz's mother get stabbed to death he will reconsider -- my mother had no time to say goodbye to her husband & children -- any murderer would have that opportunity if sentenced to death & to get himself sorted with his maker. ---referendum by the people - we are not the one's with bodyguards are we?

      Demetrius.Syriopoulos - 2012-03-16 09:05

      Spoed, sorry for your loss, but allow me to disagree with you. war is also premeditated murder and a very well executed one at that. it is also driven by money and greed

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  • corneliusjansen2 - 2012-03-16 05:55

    Its easy to say no when you have security guards and bidy guards following you around in your bullet prrofed merecesbenz......I say we should force government to bring back the death penalty...who is in charge, the people or one politician....IN FACT WE DEMAND THE DEATH PENALTY TO BE BROUGHT BACK!

  • Trevor - 2012-03-16 05:57

    Yep, this is an age old racist policy of the ANC, they cannot introduce the death penality due to the fact that more that 80% of prisoners/criminals in SA are black..ok, so the Population ratio is almost the the same but the problem is, they can't afford to kill off that majority of their voters and that is a fact, imagine if they included fraud and corruption, we'd lost almost every ANC THAT would be justice!

  • Stuart - 2012-03-16 06:38

    It is a fact that one of the first laws the ANC changed once they were in power was the death penalty. Why? Because it scared the stuffing out of them when they were active terrorists. If you were to visit UAE you would find no theft because if they are caught stealing then they know their hands will be chopped off in the main square. We have nothing to scare the serious perpetrators. Jail is in many ways better than home for many.

  • eon.malherbe - 2012-03-16 06:39

    I believe there should be harsher penalties for murder, but I'm definitely not pro-death penalty. You have the right to life, no matter how close to the bottom of the barrel you are. Anyway - killing someone for murder does not let them suffer enough for the crime they have committed.

  • Teboho Mphaloane - 2012-03-16 06:46

    If it were me I'd also ask: ''President Zuma, are you aware of the high level of violent crime in SA perpetrated by criminals who no longer even fear prison? Criminals who, in fact, would thrive in there by joining gangs and thereby threatening the rehabilitation of our less nefarious offenders?'' I really don't understand these reasons of his. They sound like the type of BS excuses made by people who can do something but wont.

      Neel Rossouw - 2012-03-16 07:12

      Well said

      Wilma Crous - 2012-03-16 07:17

      10/10. And it costs the country millions of rands to keep these murderers in jail.

  • Cheslyn Brink - 2012-03-16 06:52

    Squeezing crime to zero! We need more effective sentencing outcomes. If bringing the death penalty back so be it. Crime increases by the percentage everyday and proven by the crimestats. I personally feel that the death penalty is our only way forward, sentencing murderers, child rapists and remember jail and places of safety does not help to rehabilitate all individuals. Some brag of what new methods the were taught to commit crimes without being caught.

  • Wilma Crous - 2012-03-16 07:01

    Zuma afraid of death penalty because he knows he'll see some of his extended family dingling there!!! (With his 20 wives & all) Death penalty IS the only way to haulting our high murder rate.

      Teboho Mphaloane - 2012-03-16 07:19

      What do you expect from a man who's faced rape charges himself?

      Wilma Crous - 2012-03-16 07:22

      Teboho, Zuma has a chance to redeem himself here. To stand up against crime but I suspect, he anyway just a puppet.

  • Vasa - 2012-03-16 07:09

    I totally support the President on this. We lost a lot of great men and women of the movement because of that noose. Lets we forget!

      Wilma Crous - 2012-03-16 07:12

      Yeah it's better to lose 100's to murder... Just see the light & stop living in the past!!!

  • jonathan.dutoit2 - 2012-03-16 07:10

    Lets see the thumbs up for the death penalty!

      Wilma Crous - 2012-03-16 07:19

      Absolutely ...

      Vasa - 2012-03-16 07:19

      At Wilma. The only light I am seeing is the one shining on the judiciary bench.So many white judges ready with the noose on a black man's neck.No please no. Makes me cringe!

      Wilma Crous - 2012-03-16 07:27

      Come on it goes both ways. Vasa WHY can't we all stand together JUST on one thing & that is fighting crime??? Those judges aren't ALL bias, (black judges carry far more baggage) but I trust that JUDGES are educated people & look past colour & see the bigger picture. One can't be this narrow minded. Moving forward people!!!!

      Demetrius.Syriopoulos - 2012-03-16 09:11

      Vasa, you idiotic morron. this is about people been murdered, ALL people, not just one race. Vasa, MOVE quickly, the light you are looking at is the train, you are stting on the track.

  • Riaan Werner Van Wyk - 2012-03-16 07:16


  • Mark - 2012-03-16 07:20

    He's desperate for votes, can't afford to lose even one.

  • martha.stclair - 2012-03-16 07:26

    I hate to admit it but I agree with Zuma, but not entirely. The death penalty is an easy way out for these evil people. Make them useful, and hand them over to scientist to do medical experiments on them, much more beneficial for mankind in general!

      Sharon - 2012-03-16 07:44

      Yippie, I fully agree!!!! Save a chimp, use a criminal!!

      Demetrius.Syriopoulos - 2012-03-16 09:12

      there we go, by discussing this we have a prorposal by Martha. i must admitt, it is a good one. sorry Martha i am gong to steal it and use it.

  • GTR2 - 2012-03-16 07:27

    Yeah expected this response because it will save their numbers from getting depleted.

  • Malcolm - 2012-03-16 07:28

    Even a broken clock is right twice a day, in this case I must side with Zuma despite him being a dimwit.

  • Lulama - 2012-03-16 07:30

    There is enough brutality in this country, having a law to kill people is the last thing we need

      Wilma Crous - 2012-03-16 07:34

      Criminals KNOW they can go to jail, be fed, educated. What a life!!! Death Penalty only way to install fear in these murderers. Wait till you have been raped, or your close family murdered. You will change your tune but only then!!

      Lulama - 2012-03-16 07:46

      Wilma, you'd be surprised to hear that both of these have happened to me. The latter has happened twice. That is still not an excuse. I refuse to live in a country that has a law to take a life. All life is precious and I do not want to stoop lower than a criminal. I commend the president for standing against it. How vicious are we as a people to be happy to see people die?

      Vasa - 2012-03-16 09:46

      Totally agree with you boss. We cannot lower ourselves to the same level as the Libyans that butchered Gaddafi. To display a body in a public mortuary is exactly the same animal feel that those who advocating the death penalty are looking for. Eye for an eye only applied to the days of Moses....not not ever!

  • Wilma Crous - 2012-03-16 07:30

    Have you noticed how much weight Zuma has lost?

  • tbomelamsomi - 2012-03-16 07:33

    Let the nation decide

      Wilma Crous - 2012-03-16 07:34

      Best comment for the day!!!!!!

  • kenneth.roselt - 2012-03-16 07:34

    Correct me if i am wrong, but when Zuma was campaigning, did he not talk of re-introducing the death sentence? Was that just to get votes from communities fed-up with violent crime?

      Mojalefa Ramohloa - 2012-03-16 07:44

      Kenneth I'm so glad u remember that, I thought I'm the only one who remembered what he said. I'm so dissapointed in him cause he used that just to get votes

  • Pixie86 - 2012-03-16 07:34

    mxm! Hiding behind your bodyguards that's easy for you to say. Come join us down here where all we have are our useless fences and no bodyguards and you will change your tune! We're prisoners in our own country! We can't walk the streets without the fear of being raped or mugged! Why are criminals more protected than us??

  • Hendrik - 2012-03-16 07:37

    "Until the use of the death penalty was suspended in February 1990, South Africa had one of the highest rates of judicial executions in the world." .........and now we must feed them.

  • roberta.keeling - 2012-03-16 07:41

    He is worried that too many of his cadres will hang for their foul deeds!