Zuma takes aim at UN over Libya airstrikes

2012-01-12 22:39

New York - President Jacob Zuma on Thursday slammed the UN Security Council for allowing the Nato military strikes in Libya that played a key role in the downfall of Muammar Gaddafi.

Zuma complained to the Security Council that an African Union peace plan for Libya was "completely ignored" and said Libya's problems had now "spilled over" to other countries in north Africa because of the council's action.

The president lectured the 15-member council as he chaired a special debate on relations between the United Nations and the African Union.

South Africa abstained in the council's resolution 1973 passed on March 17 last year, which authorised military action to protect civilians and enforce a no-fly zone.

Nato's airstrikes have since divided the council, however. Russia, China, South Africa and India insist that the military alliance breached the resolution.

Zuma said the council had to avoid a repeat of the Libya episode when the AU had its own political initiative, which the president said was "completely ignored in favour of bombing Libya by Nato forces."

"The consequences of the actions that were carried out in Libya in the name of the United Nations Security Council have spilled over into other countries in the region," Zuma told the meeting, which was attended by ministers from Africa and council members.

NATO insists its military action in Libya was within the UN resolutions and UN ambassadors from its members say the Security Council was fully aware of the kind of action to be carried out.

But Zuma said African Union views "must be listened to if we are to strengthen our relationship and prevent conflict".

He also said there must be no return to the Cold War, when Africa was a "playground" for the rival sides battling for influence.

  • Adam - 2012-01-12 22:58

    If Gaddafi laid down arms and surrendered after the first bombing we would not have this problem. However, he did not care who got killed, as long as it was not him. He did not put much value on human life.....simply put, you reap what you sow.

      GWS - 2012-01-13 09:08

      Zooma should tell the Security Council what his views are on avoiding AIDS. That should give the other countrys a clear idea what calibre of individual they're dealing if they didn't already know. This is so embarrassing.

      Dirk - 2012-01-13 09:29

      My previous post was removed by the pro- sensorhip and ANC agency- N 24. It said: Zuma is missing his old buddy. He should be told that the AU is regarded as just another African failure.

      Mike - 2012-01-13 09:32

      Thee UN must be shivering in their boots now! They are going to call for an Emergency stage 5 meeting to figure out how to rectify THIS big problem! They are all going to get sanctioned by SA and starve for the rest of their lives!

      Spyker - 2012-01-13 09:49

      The real reason for his complaint is that the shower of moola had suddenly been turned off. Gaddafi was apparently worth over $200 billion, with assets in bank accounts, real estate and corporate investments around the world. 3 x as rich as Carlos Slim (previously thought to be the richest person on earth - in a dueal with Bill Gates) and 10 x richer than King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia. Between Gaddafi (ie he personally bankrolled the ANC), the Chinese and stealing from taxpayers (viz from a certain minority with the highest economic output per capita on the continent), the ANC had the funding to rule till Jesus comes, with 'boerewors' deep fried in Johnny Walker Blue Label to ease the hardships of Apartheid oppression. The ANC's 'master' (no pun intended) plan WAS to continue to buy a majority that would effectively make SA a one-party-state - iow a MAJORITY-RULE-REGIME - and as such be in a position to steamroller through legislation that would annex SA's economic wealth - eg minerals, business opportunities (they naturally had NOTHING to do with, in identifying, creating and/or sustaining), etc. The Chinese are seemingly less keen, to simply throw cash around like it is a 'raining rice', rather they want something back - the ANC does not grasp this concept (ie get money, give something for it.. nooooo, there is no such thing in my people's culture). The ANC has robbed the fiscus so blind that it is dancing on the edge of the cliff. So - go figure...

      Muneer23 - 2012-01-13 10:01

      Lmao @ Mike

      Raeesa - 2012-01-13 14:15

      Funny how back in the days of apartheid Gaddafi funded the ANC and its liberation movement...and now Spyker May has regarded that as him as having personally bankrolled the ANC. while SA and the other BRICS nations have questionable domestic policy, their stance on foreign policy is admirable.war and destruction is NEVER the solution

      Sinjoku - 2012-01-13 14:53

      I Dont know maybe I got lucky....BUT I found plenty videos after Gadaffi was captured, And uhmmm well all those Lybians looked pretty happy about the end of Gadaffi.... LOL Maybe the Evil west paid them to dance and be merry....I think not. He was an Evil man. Who is Zuma to question how the end of his evil came about. He could not and rest of africa could not stop Mugabe. Sad thing is some ppl on this site still support the likes of Gaddafi / Mugabe / Iran's President ( I cant spell his Lastname) because they are opposed to the West. Seriously wtf. Mandela once said: "Freedom can never be taken for granted. Each generation must safeguard it and extend it. Your parents and elders sacrificed much so that you should have freedom without suffering what they did. Use this precious right to ensure that the darkness of the past never returns.” So my 2nd point is that Zuma and company should rather concentrate on the future for Lybia rather than it's past.

      Sedick - 2012-01-13 21:00

      @NEWS 24 GESTAPO. You have now twice applied Apartheid era censorship on my comments. Neither of them was vulgar, or obscene or would have qualified for a PG rating! Please provide a guidance so that we know what we can say or intimate. I am going to take a shower now, so I would appreciate a response by the time I get back.....

      Dirk - 2012-01-14 08:49

      The censor has been so active here, the comments remind me of a fishing net- quite absurd. As much as I disagree with many, I can categorically say that I have not reported one. I have even tolerated Barry and Crazyella- and that takes some doing.

  • Peter - 2012-01-12 22:59

    I suppose he is trying to reduce South Africa's influence in the world. As rotating chairman, he is supposed to be neutral.

      Barry - 2012-01-13 07:26

      @ThailandJohn. Disgusting comment

      Peace - 2012-01-13 07:37

      @thailandjohn thats a good one mate.Lol

      Barry - 2012-01-13 10:10

      @ThailandJohn. Thanks for the insult. What a low life.

  • Max - 2012-01-12 23:21

    The only thing I see spilling over is the millions of Zimmers over our border as a result of the AU's inability to deal with any issue for that matter.

  • Maximus Odinidus - 2012-01-12 23:32

    You guys are all missing the point, Mr. Zuma Is drawing a line in the sand on behalf of the south african government and three other B R I C members against western power meddling in Africa and threatening them with war. Hence the hinting at the cold war. I say MR zuma because the government just like Gaddaffi and the west for that matter have decided that this situation is something they are willing to go to war for without much consideration of how the everyday citizen feels.

      ludlowdj - 2012-01-13 12:54

      but a good violent war is what is needed, the big mouths normally shut up when word turns to action, although I suppose we need to remember that the African nation as a whole has done little else but wage war since the beginning of time.

  • Maximus Odinidus - 2012-01-12 23:34

    This is after all in line with the African agenda where alienation of western powers is the goal. All I can say is should there be a war they can forget about drafting me, I will not go to war for someone else's big mouth.

  • Heinrich - 2012-01-12 23:43

    Yes ! There I was, enjoying my whiskey with brother leader, checking on TV how the tanks were mowing down those Libyans when... BOOM!! you guys scared the living bluelights out of me. And look...the whiskey was spilt all over my new suit.

      dlawre30 - 2012-01-13 08:13

      LOL Excellent

  • Craig - 2012-01-13 00:08

    I hate the fact that we pay so many millions in tax Rand so that JZ and his cronnies can fly fancy jets and stay in luxuary hotels in the US. Then he opens mouth and says idiotic things on the world stage that make me cringe and ashamed to admit he is my President. Please can someone not ground him and Mbeke for the next 12 months.

      Michael - 2012-01-13 05:39

      google "journalist accounts of slaughter in libya"

  • Nicholas - 2012-01-13 01:52

    It's almost as if the ruling party goes out of its way to damage its credibility. "I don't think we've done enough to screw up international relations this week, how about we attack the UN on Ghaddafi again? Let's slip in a statement somewhere between the one about legislating the weather and how the centenary was a resounding success."

  • Andries - 2012-01-13 02:55

    Never mind that the ‘African Roadmap to Peace’ was concocted very late in the revolution, at a point when Gaddafi was already in heavy retreat and the fall of his regime all but assured. A classic case of trying to close the gate after the horse has bolted. And might I add, a very typical reaction by the African Union, trying to prop up despots who are as corrupt as most of the other member states’ leaders. Zuma seems to be under the impression that he still has the moral high ground that Mandela occupied. S.A. -and Africa as a whole- has been delegated to the ‘also ran’ category of world politics for at least a decade now. I feel it’s probably a better idea for Zuma to stop trying to play ‘statesman’ , fly back to S.A. and at least try to address S.A.’s myriad problems. That is his real job, surely.

      henk63 - 2012-01-14 07:07

      It is too boring to stay at home. In other countries, he thinks he is treated with respect and is too stupid to read between the lines. The only area where he is doing a stirling job is the lowering SA's status worldwide.

  • Susanna - 2012-01-13 04:30

    Without Gaddafi in the picture, I fear smaller warlords' support or Taliban support may grow. This is the one thing dictators should be commended for, they keep these type of organizations to a minimum in their regimes. If Libya didn't have the resources it's got, the UN would not have known how to spell Gaddafi's name.

      Raeesa - 2012-01-13 14:21

      People like Ben Ali and Mubarak were secular...and now that they are overthrown the islamists are coming into power...I am a muslim myself, but having an islamist ruler is never a good thing...because every good muslim knows that this world belongs to I kind of agree with you.not that there is much that any leader can do to put the terrorists at bay.

  • George - 2012-01-13 05:03

    What an embarrasement, im ashamed.

  • Michael - 2012-01-13 05:34

    I would remind everyone who's commenting against Zuma that their source of information comes entirely from American-owned media, which funds a huge portion of the Whit House budget. I never thought I'd say this, but for once in his embarrassin life, Zuma is on the correct side of things. The people on the ground in Libya, as well as a pack of international journalists who were ON THE GROUND, will tell you a different story; one of intentional mass slaughter. UN soldiers stand by and watch, laughing, at the Libya rebels as they RAPE and MURDER WOMEN AND CHILDREN/ They massacre entire villages. Do some research before u comment on things you clearly know nothing of, and watch clips of journalists making statements to independent online channels, weeping as they give accounts of the senseless evil bloodshed committed by the UN and the Libya "rebels". America wanted their oil, they got it. Thanks Zuma, for once.

      cliff.slabbert - 2012-01-13 05:52

      Gaddafi's 40 odd year reign of terror did none of this to his people of course!

      Beetroot - 2012-01-13 07:03

      So whats your point Micheal?

      Barry - 2012-01-13 07:40

      @Beetroot. He point is that Zuma is spot on on this issue.

      Gary - 2012-01-13 09:39

      It funny how people like Michael and Barry and the ANC will sit quite happily not saying a word when despots are commit years of atrocites, but let the West be preceived to do one thing wrong and they are up in arms. Well I have news for you... the people responsible for any Rape and Murder of innocent people are the ANC and their ilk, yes that is you Michael and Barry... who supported these tyrants for so many years and let it get to the stage that the UN had to step in.

      Barry - 2012-01-13 10:16

      @Gary. My word what I load of rubbish you speak. The government is actually raping people? Come on man. Get a grip. Maybe you going to too many AWB meetings

      Raeesa - 2012-01-13 14:25

      People who dont have a firm grasp on politics will always be one sided.Its human nature to love to have an utterly nonobjective opinion. So leave them and their opinions in peace. Just rest easy knowing that people like Gary are not in International or Public Relations or dont have political columns in prominent news other words, nobody really cares.

  • cliff.slabbert - 2012-01-13 05:47

    The UN are laughing at this clown again. They must invite Zuma for a bit light comic relief.

      Sedick - 2012-01-13 09:08

      Just add a shower to complete the comedy...

      Craig - 2012-01-13 14:07

      Next SA comedian on the J Leno show???

  • raymond.kok3 - 2012-01-13 06:20

    its done and dusted please tackle something that we hope you will at least be somewhat successful for now you only blowing smoke. lets start with building schools to educate our future leaders so that we dont end up with the same sorrid situation as we sit in now totally useless leaders

      roger.pacey - 2012-01-13 16:41

      That's the point; the Libyan airstrikes are a done deal. Like them or not, they are history; no point in dwelling on them at length. By all means, use the sense of being let down over the matter as an indicator of SA's stance in future, more cautious about sanctioning military action. To act as a dog in the manger, especially when governments with poor human rights records are involved, will do SA's standing no good. If SA wants to be a permanent member of the security council, it will have to balance its independent view with the need to act for the common good.

  • Teboho N Shelile - 2012-01-13 06:56

    Go Zuma! Go Zuma! Go them you have balls! i just hope this is not just a random speech by you mr President but an execution of Afrikanism agenda that Colonel G aspired to pursue for our land......Viva Afrika!

      Graziella - 2012-01-13 07:43

      Well said Teboho!

      Dirk - 2012-01-13 08:44

      B---s, but no brains- the ideal requirement for an African leader.It explains why Africa is a failed continent, a beggars paradise.

      Barry - 2012-01-13 10:21

      @Dirk..Shocking words from you. You definitely need to go live a more "pro western country" than South Africa.

      Dirk - 2012-01-13 11:15

      Where does SA receive all its aid from, you nincan poop? The more I see your utterences,the more I suspect that you are an impositor- even a yellow bellied opportunist can be that ill informed.

      Barry - 2012-01-13 12:18

      @Dirk..Yet another useless insulting comment from you

      Raeesa - 2012-01-13 14:31

      @Dirk South Africa has free trade agreements with India and China, who by 2015 will push the USA, Germany and Great Britain off the list of Top 6 biggest economies in the world. Our problems as a nation are as a result of corruption at a local and provincial level. Why dont u run for president and tell me how you will keep 4277 ward constituents in line.

      Dirk - 2012-01-13 16:36

      Raeesa- I can already see the consequences of that trade. The third world, is the dumping ground for cheap and inferior Chinese rubbish. And you better hope, that by 2015, China is still up and running. I have more than just a feeling that its bubble is about to burst- and it will come over night and unexpectedly. Remember, its still a closed economy with many "little secrets"

      Tim - 2012-01-13 16:52

      @Raeesa...The US Economy is still 10 times larger in real terms than that of China. China is going through great social change, with the rise of the 'middle classes', people in China are now begining to expect better pay. Low payed labour & manufacturing is core to China's economic growth and therefore I do not see any realistic argument that China will be dominant by 2015. Back to the point: NATO supported the peoples of Libya; Col. G was using MILITARY FORCE against CIVILIANS (an international crime as defined by the UN). NATO's military intervention was in aid and not aggression. NATO once again proved that it is prepared to act where the UN is only prepared to talk.

      Barry - 2012-01-13 21:34

      @Dirk. China is going to be the supreme economic power in world. It does not mater whether you are me like it or not. The question is how to deal with it. The USA as decided it is best to steal as much oil reserves in the world that it can. If you were running South Africa what would you do ?

      Barry - 2012-01-13 21:36

      @Tim ..10 times larger ? Seems you have been away from this earth a while. China are probably bigger economically than the USA already.

      Dirk - 2012-01-14 05:53

      Chinese realities- USA GDP $14,6 Trillion, China $4.? tril (equal to Japan) EEC $16.? Korea $800 billion SA $285billion. You will note a few things- The Chinese phenomonon is often exaggerated.They rely on 65% of their GDP on the US consumer.It is still a closed economy and manipulated (exchange rate).Unlike the USA which could close its borders( they could in an emergency,but not desireable) , China depends absolutely on foreign trade (export driven) to sustain growth- domestic market not yet developed.Chinas demand for raw materials also hold dangers. These are estimated figures, but not far off, but it does show that we need to be careful. Perceptions are often far from reality- this is why they say that when the US sneezes, the rest of the world has the flu. God must help us that they dont get the flu. You will also note that SA was not asked to become a member of BRIC, for economic reasons, but for geo/political reasons. There are companies in the US and many other countries in the world with bigger budgets than SA.Those anti-US activists, should postphone their misplaced celebrations of the demise of the US- it will not happen in your lifetime.

      Barry - 2012-01-14 08:32

      @Dirk..I see you don't answer my question. You have no solutions as an alternative to what our government is doing currently. The current approach is quite good, agreed ?

      Dirk - 2012-01-14 08:44

      Having said that, I can now fully understand why your "comments" are so completely off the mark. The figures provided above, has just gone past you- nothing has sunk in.

      Pdevillet - 2012-01-14 10:29

      the "african dream "has become a chineese reality and a local nightmare

      Heinrich - 2012-01-14 10:50

      Go Zuma! Go Zuma! Go Zuma... We agree on this Teboho. Now we must consider the destination.

  • Tshivhombela Fhatuwani - 2012-01-13 07:06

    Was he reading aloud? This man is obsessed with history. Gadaffi tasted his own medicine. You cannot enforce your will to people for more than 20 yrs and Gadaffi was very fortunate to have seen 40 yrs of his autocracy. Is Zuma afraid of SADC spring yet? I wander he has started to build a bunker.

  • Tc - 2012-01-13 07:06

    Zuma is upset that Gadaffi, the ANC-finacier and personal 'finish-and-klaar' mate of Zuma is destroyed!

  • frank.hartry - 2012-01-13 07:23

    I supppose that the NATO countries will sat that if the AU and its predeccessor the OAU as well as the ANC, had not supported the tyrant Gaddafi, for 42 years, the bombing nmay not have happened. Gaddafi was was even supported by Africa after the Lockerbie bombing of 1989 in which Gaddafi was definitely involved. The Libyan people themselves called for help from NATO after Zuma's mentor Gaddafi refused to give up power.

  • Graziella - 2012-01-13 07:41

    Well said Mr President. Lets not forget the western press with their wild and insane allegations about black mercenaries hired by Gadaffi going on a rape and killing spree all over Libya. NATO and International Court of Justice are nothing but agencies for western imperialism, which has no barrier now after the destruction of the Soviet Union, an entity that works solely for western imperial adventure.

      Barry - 2012-01-13 07:53

      Lets also not forget Libya is an oil producing country. For Nato, Gadaffi may not have been the priority.

      Riaan - 2012-01-13 09:06

      The only insane allegation is that there is intelligent life in you.

      Juan - 2012-01-13 10:00

      Your anti-west stories are really becoming boring now. Dit is nou al hol rug gery. Perhaps you should choose a less imperialistic orientated forum to air your comments, judged by the amount of thumbs down your comments always get. Why not chuck away your computer while you are at it? You know it's instruments built by the evil imperialists to futher their agendas.

      Barry - 2012-01-13 10:28

      @Frank. I not a communist, I am not religious at all. I am a human being. Have I been to the region yes. Israel, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia. Until recently I was going to Syria until, well we know there is an odd thing or to going on there that would make things difficult for any foreigner. I used to be very pro west/USA. Now no more. Especially what the west condones in Israel whilst a lot of Israelis would want things to be different there. This NATO attach on Liyba a travesty to a population that were enjoying a much higher quality of life than most in Africa. Now it is another mess. Hope this clarifies things for you. Would be interesting to hear why you are so pro west.

      Graziella - 2012-01-13 10:38

      By all means ignore me, your posts have hitherto been petty insults and childish name calling. I can only assume that posts as stupid as yours and Frank's get so many recommends because you corralled together family members. It is either great minds thinking alike or fools without the wit to differ, I obviously prefer the latter :-)

      Dirk - 2012-01-13 11:23

      Frank- Such words of wisdom and I would imagine that at least 98% of the bloggers, fully concur with your comment. They both remind me of blue flies- irritable and make about as much sense. They are probably married, and both work for some dysfunctional govt. department.

      ludlowdj - 2012-01-13 13:16

      GAZIELLA, I have read your daily comments for a while now and have had to agree with a lot of what you have had to say, however today you give me cause to comment, if for no other reason than the total lack of understanding you expose. The "Western Imperial" is in reality a dying culture. As for not having a barrier you are also either misinformed or deluding yourself. People are starting to move away from their slave sheeple status and are "awakening" to the truth about the lies being told by every government in the world. The new barrier to the US is well established and consists of China, North Korea, Iran, Russia, and the rest of the BRIC nations. Contrary to popular belief the US would stand little chance in an open war with China the ultimate deciding factor not being who wins or loses but who has anything left to pick up when its over. As BARRY says (and I must say most of your other comments lack understanding and are for all intents and purposes bullsh*t) the UN action was about control of oil and nothing else. The US has actively tried to take control of as many oil wells as possible and is currently trying to ensure that it has a military presence on every continent, posturing and manipulation that will backfire on them. Their timetable indicates that the next major actions by the US will coincide with our trimesters, making April August and December the months with the probability of the most action. and their newly enacted laws belying their democratic status

      Eduard - 2012-01-13 18:46

      @ Graziella I have to say, you might be a bit too sensitive to someone that has been in power for more than 30years (Gadaffi). Ask yourself, why does he not want to seed power? Absolute power corrupt absolutely. The way I look at it, black or white, pink killing someone is murder, no matter what color the skin. Gadaffi had to go, putty it went like this (agree) but at least the world can move on, hopefully Africa too

  • Kuno - 2012-01-13 07:42

    just wonder when JZ starts taking aim at corruption, crime, unemployment etc in his own country... our country. He is always good at lashing out at others. Time to clean your own house Mr JZ.

  • satanslord - 2012-01-13 07:45

    I’m impressed, I’ve never seen such a small mind inside such a big head before.

  • Hotkop - 2012-01-13 07:50

    This coming from the idiot who can't even look after his country! GET REAL CONJOINED SKULL!!

  • Ballito - 2012-01-13 08:01

    i say it again if you are unhappy leave the country.stop moaning like babies.rather look for solutions then coming here hiding behind your names and blowing hot smells terrible

      Maximus Odinidus - 2012-01-13 08:56

      You should be one to talk. Why don't you come up with ideas instead of trying to kick everyone out of SA for disagreeing with An idiot at the helm of our country with a standard two education and only educated in the way of communism. Get a life dude, get an education, get real!!!!

  • Silver - 2012-01-13 08:09

    I loved the part where that woman from the US politely and in a very politically correct way told Zuma that the AU is useless. It was funny as hell. Then again not so sure that coming from the UN that is actually an insult. Then again looking at the way Zuma reads... Then again judging the AU’s actions concerning the rest of Africa, its wars and current turmoil.... Actions (or in this case non actions) speak louder than words.

  • Beetroot - 2012-01-13 08:11

    I just really hope Obama and JZ can have a one on one. Then Obama can realise just how dof the president of the ANC is.

      Moss - 2012-01-13 12:09

      Of SA sir

      Raeesa - 2012-01-13 14:39

      Quite the contrary beetroot...i think our president has twice the IQ that Obama has...and twice the backbone.Obama is no hero

  • Kirwin Beukes - 2012-01-13 08:15

    I really dont no why we south africans like to complain when we have so much to be thankfull for.Change start with one self.

      jody.beggs - 2012-01-13 14:23

      @Kirwin Beukes , what do honest TAX payers have to be thankful for ? This is from the annual budget of 2008/2009. Education is the biggest item in the budget and it makes up 17% Social welfare at 15% Health takes up 11% Housing 7% Those expenses make up 50% of the total expenditure of the TAX money and none of it is to better the people actually paying most of the TAX. The education system is a joke and each year more people have kids just to get the social grants. The people on the cANCer grants will only vote ANC because they think the ANC is helping them , but they aren't there just spending our money. Plus there's a 8% just repaying interest on loans. A R 500 million down payment would have helped the country's future but instead it was wasted on a party. Are you still thankful or aren't you a TAX payer yet ? Damn the man.

  • Mtizozo - 2012-01-13 08:20

    Well done to ANC Leadership and thums up to SA Govement,,

      Beetroot - 2012-01-13 08:30

      Yes, in the Special Olympics everyone gets a medal.

      Dirk - 2012-01-13 08:48

      Just arrived from outer space, have you?.You should have a different opinion in the next day or two, providing you have sense, of course.

  • Alva - 2012-01-13 08:31

    The best thing that ever happened to Libya was the end of Gaddafi. If he was not taken out by force, he would have lingered on like Mugabe. If the AU want to be taken seriously on the international stage, take decisive action against African despots and corrupt African states!

  • Hotkop - 2012-01-13 08:42

    Well, this is the way he will see thing. Zuma is a communist after all.

  • NrGx - 2012-01-13 08:46

    I think Zuma is of the opinion that the "head of state" has the right to kill and cull their own citizens, but if the "West" does it....OH NO, HELL NO! Zuma better watch out, the ANC are fast becoming a dictatorship and I believe when the time comes and the UN decide to intervene, these remarks WILL BE remembered and no amount of Im sorry with stop them. He is a freaking idiot, why should the UN take the AU's opinion, because they did so well in Zimbabwe, because they have openly and publicly supported previous and current dictators? Mr Zuma, you and your ANC have now been put in the catagory as these monsters, you are just too uneducated to see it. You and the ANC's ego will be you downfall!

      Heinrich - 2012-01-14 10:44

      NrGx : Way back, I identified an indicator. Larger than life pictures of "Leaders". Remember Sadam? Huge billboards of his image all over the show. Gadhaffi the same. This is a trend where people need to be subjugated by populism, propaganda and fear. What did we see on the cooling towers during the ANC celebration at Mangaung?

  • wynandjsmit - 2012-01-13 08:53

    Ag Zuma,hou jou bek en sit!!!

  • Tshivhombela Fhatuwani - 2012-01-13 09:00

    Point of correction, SA never withdrew they voted in favour of the resolution. I remember Zuma was not warmly welcomed by Gadaffi and his aides in Tripoli over his actions. He later criticised UNSC in fear of Gadaffi in case he might not lose power. This man can always change his colours like a chameleon. How do you criticise the actions propelled by what you voted for, Zuma? You voted for this resolution not understanding it's contents and now you lament the actions of Nato. Gadaffi had ample time to relinquish power but he was already a fully blown dictator to step down or reform. AU has never been a solution to ordinary Africans problems but it only succeeded in keeping dictators in power. Those who know their history may trace OAU from 1963 to date as AU and measure its failures against it's successes. There is still to improve for UN but as for AU, they have to disband a talk shopand start afresh.

      Gerald - 2012-01-13 10:43

      You are correct to say SA voted in favour of resolution 1973, but SA understood the contents of the resolution, which beyond sanctions against pro gadaffi assets imposed a no fly zone over Libya and authorised all necessary means to protect civilians and civilian populated arears short of military occupation. The resolution meant well but was obviously vague. Zuma supported this resolution not knowing it was a preamble to regime change. The bombings that followed were a disgrace to humanity...the rebels themselves slaughtered many innocents. You cannot justify what NATO did on the basis that gadaffi himself was evil and killed people, the end does not justify the means...

  • Carl - 2012-01-13 09:14

    He is showing why Africa will never get a permanent seat...

  • Wimpie.Haefele - 2012-01-13 10:00

    Just like the AU is doing a outstanding job in ZIMBABWE

      Heinrich - 2012-01-14 10:53

      Yes. Decay is almost complete but positive results are still outstanding.

  • hliki - 2012-01-13 10:02

    For the first time since President Zuma came to power I'm agreeing with Him, the people of Libya and other african state need to develop their own solutions to their problems with the aid of the AU and UN but that does not mean military actions. currently Libya has collapsed how much would it cost the government to repair what was bombed by Nato? who should pay for that damage? Who will charge NATO states for genocide for the killing of civilians in Libya?

  • darryl.maze1 - 2012-01-13 10:04

    Yeah right like we had a peace plan for libya. We cant even sort out zimbabwe. Look at what zimbabwe has become and yet zuma is proud of how they have delt with it. The African union is a waste of time and is just a big gathering for dictators and corrupt officials. What the UN did was right, the dictator is dead and the ppl are free. Well done UN.

  • Schalk - 2012-01-13 10:15

    The AU plan did wonders for the Zim crisis *sarcasm*. Plan is to have NO plan. Zuma was willing to die for democracy during the struggle. Now he is trying to protect dictatorship. Any country who uses snipers for crowed control needs help. At what point would the AU have acknowledge the crisis in Libya? Talk about interfering, what did I read about the ANC wanting to assist Mugabe in the next elections?

  • Osman Bux - 2012-01-13 10:24

    He is after all, the guy that took a shower to prevent HIV infection. Hahahaha

  • Ryan - 2012-01-13 12:19

    Zuma is like that annoying child that screams and yells for attention but to whom the adults pay scant attention.

  • ludlowdj - 2012-01-13 12:48

    Zuma is of course full of it, had anyone in the world had the slightest confidence in the AU or Zuma's ability to resolve anything they would have given him the opportunity, however South Africa's government record of brokering deals is non existent Zimbabwe being the showcase example of achieving nothing. African leader seem to side with dictators more readily and will as their record shows in most cases side with the very tyrants the world is trying to oust. contrary to popular belief "True Democracy" still does not exist on the African continent and most probably won't within the lifetimes of any reading this.

  • yumina.cox - 2012-01-13 13:33

    ppl maybe its time one stops making personal comments on this. All Zuma was trying to say here is to prevent the occassion of Libya into re-occuring, i understand most of u hated Gathaffi, but tomorrow it can b a leader u respect thats killed in that manner n other civilians..... so UN must just admit and correct their mistakes as d libyan situation cannot b eundone, its adon edeal... but we just want clarity on the UN that such can neva tolerated in AFRICA again, and that they should respect the AU decisions, n not step on them

  • craigt007 - 2012-01-13 14:52

    Um News 24, shouldn't you check your facts? SA voted yes on UNSC Resolution 1973! "Adopting resolution 1973 (2011) by a vote of 10 in favour to none against, with 5 abstentions (Brazil, China, Germany, India, Russian Federation)" Don't see SA anywhere on that list!

  • Mark - 2012-01-13 15:12

    Wish it would spill over to Zimbabwe.

  • Eduard - 2012-01-13 17:30

    JZ should rather put his energy into the corruption in SA

  • Eduard - 2012-01-13 17:33

    Invite the UN to come and bomb the most corrupt country in 2009-2012...South Africa...after that we can get construction companies to rebuild SA from money given by IMF

  • Sannie - 2012-01-13 18:54

    If you think Africa is not good enough for your f*%K off to Europe, Asia,Australia or America.

  • mike.clery - 2012-01-13 19:29

    Zuma said African Union views "must be listened to if we are to strengthen our relationship and prevent conflict". That will happen on its own WHEN African leaders' self-interest isn't the dominant factor, and they talk and act accordingly.

  • Robi - 2012-01-13 19:56

    America promoting terrorism around the world. They taught us that government is removed from power through the ballot. What happenned in Iraq and Lybia is terrorism at its bare. Killing of Gaddafi and Saddam Hussein send clear message that America is terrorizing the world and unstoppable. To my suprise, even the terrorists of 9/11 were trained by America. America cannot stop terrorism by promoting and leading terrorists.

      Barry - 2012-01-13 21:39

      Thumbs up from me !!

  • Patrick - 2012-01-14 00:30

    wot a joke!!

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