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Zuma to win Mangaung

2012-12-02 14:39

Bloemfontein - President Jacob Zuma will win a second term as ANC president.

The nominations season, which reached a zenith on Saturday, shows that he has already secured more than the required votes for victory at the party’s conference in ­Mangaung later this month.

Zuma thus far has the support of 2 259 ANC delegates, slightly more than the 2 251 he needs to ­secure a second term.

Deputy President Kgalema Motlanthe has thus far received 482 nominations for the position as president, while the nomination conferences in three provinces fell apart.

These provinces constitute 986 delegates, so can’t materially alter the outcome.

Zuma’s preliminary figures ­exclude nominations from the ANC Women’s League and Veterans’ League.

Endorsement

Both leagues endorsed him, but we have excluded their delegates in our tallies as their final votes were not yet compiled.

Leagues send 45 delegates each to Mangaung while provincial ­executive leaders have 180 votes.

Motlanthe has his back to the wall. He has received 156 nominations for deputy president, while Cyril Ramaphosa garnered 1 851 nominations, even though he is a latecomer to the campaign.

In Gauteng, where Motlanthe was nominated for president, ­campaigners have resigned themselves to defeat.

“We know Kgalema is going to lose, but he is going to run just to make a point,” said a key Motlanthe ­lobbyist in Gauteng.

Zuma’s early victory is bittersweet. Three provincial nominations meetings collapsed amid violence and chaos, complaints were laid about voting at meetings and an assassination attempt was made on a provincial secretary.

Still outstanding

Nominations from Limpopo, North West and the Western Cape were still outstanding by Saturday, the ANC’s deadline for nominations for its elective congress in Mangaung in two weeks’ time.

Violence marred nominations in Limpopo, where police had to disperse warring factions by using tear gas, at gunpoint, on Friday.

In the North West (increasingly the ANC’s Wild West), unknown gunmen on Friday morning opened fire on provincial secretary Kabelo Mataboge in front of his home in Mahikeng.

In the Eastern Cape, Motlanthe’s last outpost for a Mangaung victory, the results came out overwhelmingly in favour of Zuma.

Motlanthe’s lobbyists are planning to contest the outcome in Mpumalanga and the Eastern Cape following allegations that not all the delegates going to ­Mangaung are entitled to vote.

A special national executive committee meeting is scheduled for tomorrow to hear complaints from provincial nominations ­conferences.

“This outcome is a big problem,” said a Motlanthe lobbyist.

Undermine the conference

The discrepancies in figures in some provincial nominations meetings showed there were delegates who weren’t nominated by their branches.
 
Another Motlanthe lobbyist, also an MP, said: “That will undermine the conference. Our constitution says 90% must be branch delegates. It brings the whole Zuma support into ­question. Where did they get those extra numbers?”

Zuma’s supporters in the Eastern Cape said his victory was due to Motlanthe’s reluctance to campaign, meaning the lobby did not have a face.

In an era of personality politics, the idea of change was not enough to muster support.

A government official, who is a key lobbyist for Motlanthe, said he thought Zuma supporters had put up Ramaphosa’s name to force Motlanthe to declare that he will stand as deputy president.

“Now it appears as if Cyril is ­serious about standing.”

Race for deputy

If all accept nomination, the race for deputy president will be crowded.

Motlanthe will be in a contest with businessman Cyril Ramaphosa, chairperson Baleka Mbete, Human Settlements Minister Tokyo Sexwale and ANC treasurer-general Mathews Phosa.

Of these, Ramaphosa, with 1 941 votes, is in the lead while Sexwale is in second place with 411. Next in line is Mbete with 235 votes. Motlanthe trails with 194 votes. Phosa got a paltry 83 votes.

He said he was still “agonising” over whether to accept nomination or not. “It might sound like ducking and diving ... (but it’s not).”

He cast an image of himself as a servant leader, not a brazen campaigner. He foreshadowed defeat.

Leadership

“I believe I will always do my humble work at whatever level. I do not have to be in a position of leadership. I am not a professional politician.”

Could victory be snatched from Zuma once the conference gets under way?

Die-hard Motlanthe lobbyists claim he will get more support than he currently has.

They said the voting pool at Mangaung was bigger and it was easier to hide dissenting votes.

In smaller conferences, it is easier to identify those who voted differently, while in larger ones like Mangaung, it is more difficult to identify who voted against the will of the leaders.

Some also claim that, although delegates are mandated by their branches to vote for a certain candidate, they can still be swayed by lobbying ahead of Mangaung and during the congress.
 

Comments
  • wayne.groenewald.5 - 2012-12-02 14:42

    Zuma is the best they've got HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

      jacob.zooma.9 - 2012-12-02 14:48

      Time for another upgrade! F%^& YEAH! Drinks on me guys.

      debduplessis - 2012-12-02 14:53

      Seems so, ANC is incredibly desperate - no wonder they been working on dumbing down the nation!!... ANC is destroyed and now we all look forward to the Winds of Change Part 2 - Here's to a glorious elections and one big nation party when they get the BOOT!

      johan.jacobs.5680 - 2012-12-02 15:05

      How desperate.

      squeegee.pilot - 2012-12-02 15:07

      Not funny Wayne - scary. If we lived elsewhere I'd be laughing with you...

      PrettyUsefulArt - 2012-12-02 15:09

      Drat. Double drat. SA will be bankrupt by the time he's finished.

      warren.vanwyk.3 - 2012-12-02 15:18

      Eish, this graaaavy train is to nice to climb off. Except if I get to board the graaaavy plane.

      charlesdumbwin.dumbwin - 2012-12-02 15:26

      Zuma needs another term in office because his mansion estate (Zumaville) it's finished yet. The taxpayers will have to keep paying for his luxury estate otherwise he'd have to pay for it himself.

      kortbroek.duplessis - 2012-12-02 15:30

      Perhaps a Zuma victory could be a blessing in disguise, and lead to the ANC losing it's dominant position in politics. A growing number of black South Africans are becomming disenchanted with the ANC under Zuma's "leadership". If the DA play their cards right, they could gain a lot of support for the national elections. A 20% loss of votes and a 20% gain for the DA could mean a hung parliament

      PrettyUsefulArt - 2012-12-02 15:33

      A worthwhile read on MyNews24 today - evidence that there is indeed hope for a better future. http://www.news24.com/MyNews24/Singing-an-ANC-song-is-so-yesterday-20121202

      sani.ghana.3 - 2012-12-02 15:56

      I will never give my vote to these criminals

      Don.Tandy - 2012-12-02 17:01

      Showerhead president for another 5 years - that has to be the scariest concept imagineable. Anarchy Nepotism Corruption - business as usual on the gravy train.

      neilza - 2012-12-02 17:46

      The rest make Zuma look like a hero lol

      heathway.master - 2012-12-02 23:30

      There just has to be a way that Zuma is criminally prosecuted for using money that is not his. The DA must look into this, and the Hawks and Asset Forfeiture unit must hand over every little bit of Zuma's property to the state, as it was all gained through criminal means, corruption, and outright fraud. The man must be put behind bars, as soon as possible. If he had not managed to get his rape charge and bribery corruption and illegal gains from the arms deal, as well as his totally corrupt and criminal and illegal dealings with Shabir Sheik squashed, he already would have been in jail 5 years ago. What wonderful material for the high office of President of South Africa. Be quite amusing how Zuma & Malema will get on together in prison.

      greg.quinn.353 - 2012-12-03 08:11

      I don't mind this.. actually I'm happy this is happening. This will only lead to the implosion of the ANC. Cmon Zoomer, 4 more years pain for your rudderless party, then the DA can mop up and start running the country.

      jack.attack.96558061 - 2012-12-04 16:41

      If the poor are going to be dumb, they going to have to be tough. Cast your ANC vote and return to your shack.

  • ramabele.tisetso - 2012-12-02 14:43

    God help us all.

      jacob.zooma.9 - 2012-12-02 14:52

      Relax, the next 5 years will be better

      ramabele.tisetso - 2012-12-02 15:03

      Airforce struggling to strain staff due financial constraints, clinics running out medication, school understaffed,no books for leaner. President building multimillion house doesn't need, clinic that is inaccessible to the public...How can it be better in five years.

      rory.n.price - 2012-12-02 15:51

      Agree there my friend, next he will turn the Zunion Buildings into a hostel for his kids

      martin.pearce.3762 - 2012-12-02 16:18

      If this guy is so popular, why does he need a 'bunker' at his 'homestead'?

  • jabumokoena.c.7 - 2012-12-02 14:45

    . In the land of the blind, one eyed man is a king. SA's king is blind. We are F#*@ked.

  • Matewis69 - 2012-12-02 14:46

    They will complain about how bad Zuma is for years and just before the elections he makes a few empty promices, hands out free t shirts and they vote for him again! Two weeks after the election and it's back to square one!

  • debduplessis - 2012-12-02 14:47

    If that happens & Zuma unbelievably gets 2nd term from votes of all benefiting from corruption THEN we shall STOP paying taxes all together before Zuma rapes everyone financially & we as a nation starve to death. Its survival of the fittest and we the people of RSA will prosper & keep out democracy alive - Zuma has proven not to be trustworthy on that score, we shall NOT go down along with the CORRUPT ANC - Zumas better start growing veggies otherwise they all are going to starve!!

      mabhekana.nzuza - 2012-12-02 14:57

      We will pay tax as much as we can.

      debduplessis - 2012-12-02 14:59

      then mabhekana you better start growing veggies too! How much you getting from corruption every month?

      barbara.agnew.980 - 2012-12-02 15:02

      Thank you my sentiments in a nutshell..we as major contributors to the fiscus are mere spectators lets call for a tax boycott!!

      mzwa.mthombeni - 2012-12-02 15:20

      We shall pay tax,even earlier than required.

  • Danie Gerber - 2012-12-02 14:49

    There goes the neighborhood. Cant believe people is really that dumb and naive to vote for that corrupt idiot again.

      debduplessis - 2012-12-02 14:57

      Its scary the lengths the ANC goes to keep everyone below a Grade 5 mentality... cant afford to show up JZ now can they!

  • sabelo.mcondobi.7 - 2012-12-02 14:54

    ANC members are not surprized by the outcome of this survey. Zuma will lead us for the last time as a culture and tradition of this giant organisation

      wehan.victor - 2012-12-02 15:46

      Is corruption part of the tradition you speak of?

      dee.bone.39 - 2012-12-16 09:18

      Ya Sabelo. and to hell with the country.

  • maureen.churchill.9 - 2012-12-02 14:55

    Good luck to you all, its what you wanted, now deal with it.

  • mabhekana.nzuza - 2012-12-02 15:00

    Please Zuma, increase the tax rate after Mangaung. PLEASE!!

      Zahir - 2012-12-02 17:36

      jz will begin nkandla phase 2 and will make sun city look like a city lodge in comparison

      gary.maggz - 2012-12-03 08:33

      Everyone who works should pay tax.This country can't continue to be supported by a small percentage of the work force.Same goes for rates etc.People continue to protest over lack of service delivery but they don't pay their municipalities anything....eish,nothing is for free.

      johan.lombaard.3 - 2012-12-04 11:29

      I bet you ,you pay nothing that why your mouth is so big.Fool!!! Just looking for reaction????

      robyne.peel.9 - 2012-12-04 13:55

      please can someone claim this mabhekana.nzuzu fella, I think you need a straight jacket

      dee.bone.39 - 2012-12-16 09:20

      And destroy our country once and for all

  • makarapakaplan - 2012-12-02 15:05

    Where's Malema when you need him!

  • ksieda - 2012-12-02 15:06

    comrade jz is our leader. thats the culture of the anc

      nicholus.nakanyane - 2012-12-02 16:37

      Ksieda..i think it wont hurt if u wokeup and smelled the coffee..blind obedience is for the captives..

      charl.malan.12 - 2012-12-02 19:21

      Culture of corruption!

  • lawrence.sathekge - 2012-12-02 15:06

    I feel screwed by the ANC's processes to nominate the ANC president and hence the South African president. The ANC should let the ppl on the ground to even decide who their ANC president should be. I mean W.T.F?, the so called delegates they're just mere idiots trying to secure their positions so they continue being in Power. Even a Grade 5 can tell Casanova a.k.a J.Z is not a President material period, Where are leaders like Robert Sebukwe, Oliver Thambo, Nelson Mandela, Thabo Mbeki?, Now this Double-Headed-No-Brain from Nkandla is being forced down our throats...Why Kgalema Motlanthe like acting nice?, Some men don't have the B***lls...I mean don't save yourself, Your position exist so you can serve, nothing else...

  • Benjamin - 2012-12-02 15:06

    This proves to any intelligent person that the anc supports stupidity and corruption. This is the best thing that could have happened for the DA.

  • ljmostert - 2012-12-02 15:07

    Please Save our beloved country from another Zuma-term!!!!!

  • sthembiso.jali.50 - 2012-12-02 15:12

    He will be recalled before the end of his second term.

      luviwe.jay - 2012-12-02 15:58

      Only if he does not fullfill his side of the bargain.

  • vusi.njiyela - 2012-12-02 15:15

    Siyabonga tatu Zuma

  • lisa.evansdominick - 2012-12-02 15:16

    Why do the ANC want to keep him inpower, he condones and encourages all the thieving and stealing of tax payers money, they are a lazy bunch of fatcats stealing the tax payers blind!!! zuma being the biggest thief!!! \

  • lawrence.sathekge - 2012-12-02 15:21

    I feel screwed by the ANC's processes to nominate the ANC president and hence the South African president. The ANC should let the ppl on the ground to even decide who their ANC president should be. I mean W.T.F?, the so called delegates they're just mere idiots trying to secure their positions so they continue being in Power. Even a Grade 5 can tell Casanova a.k.a J.Z is not a President material period, Where are leaders like Robert Sebukwe, Oliver Thambo, Nelson Mandela, Thabo Mbeki?, Now this Double-Headed-No-Brain from Nkandla is being forced down our throats...Why Kgalema Motlanthe like acting nice?, Some men don't have the B***lls...I mean don't save yourself, Your position exist so you can serve, nothing else...

      nonofo.marokemosimege - 2012-12-02 15:45

      Are members of the Anc not the mass?are we not on the ground?this is democratic country we elect presidents to govern from their political parties.Anc members,folowers and suporters like will vote Anc.under Zuma or who evere is the president.

      lawrence.sathekge - 2012-12-02 16:55

      @Nonofo, I'll humbly ask you to apply your mind a bit, have you ever been asked to go vote for an ANC President before you can vote for the country's president. Why do those delegates then ask for our vote during the country's Presidential elections. I believe America is a good example in what I'm trying to say to you. Dude, one day you gonna remember this, Watch the space, ppl/masses are getting fed-up on the ground, And to ppl who are concerned about power like the current ANC leadership they won't see it coming, but should an alternative be provided for the Blacks, ANC will loose. ANC is sitting on it's lorrels because they know the masses are only scared of what the past government has done to them. My my words dude...

      Don.Tandy - 2012-12-02 16:58

      SA democratic - hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaha

  • Shane Prins - 2012-12-02 15:23

    the general electorate can stop the fraudster from becoming prez of the country if the anc does not win the majority vote in 2014. the alternative is a road to ruin.

  • trevor.dean.10 - 2012-12-02 15:24

    This will reinforce the divisions in the ANC, and I don't think Zuma has the leadership skills to pull them together. It will hurt the ANC in the 2014 elections.

  • Hasani P - 2012-12-02 15:27

    Wow, even Mugabe wins despite starvation in his country . That's how democracy works in Africa

  • khanyisani.ndlovu - 2012-12-02 15:34

    This shower head looser is gonna win again.

  • nonofo.marokemosimege - 2012-12-02 15:34

    This is just a formality interms of leadership elections at mangaung for Nec com Zuma will rule Anc next five years together with cyril.members of Anc need msholozi not kgalema.we re going there for policies not to elect.

  • herman.burger.5 - 2012-12-02 15:35

    This is nothing compared to zooma's third term. In the next 5 years the anc will institutionalize corruption through a truly african style one party democracy by raping the constitution and the legal justice system.This will enable an indefinite "till death do us part" third term for our very own idi amin bob mugabe zooma. Heil zooma!

  • Vince Lethu Ka Nkonyeni - 2012-12-02 15:36

    @nettie potgieter i fully agree with you comes 2014 Anc will share power bcoz they will never win like how they used to, the other thing why is zuma support questionable all the time? i wonder if he really deserve the 2nd term from me he clearly doesnt he's nothing mos!!!!

      nicholus.nakanyane - 2012-12-02 16:27

      cANCer will loose by 2014..in pool we call it ''White Wash'' esp with the disaster shower back in action..soon SA will find the new cure for cANCer..

  • JohnnoBfree - 2012-12-02 15:36

    Zoomer is the best the cANCer has to offer. Mwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

      nicholus.nakanyane - 2012-12-02 16:10

      ''Shower Army 2 Reloaded'' @ Cinemas near you..''More Marriages on the way''Mo lies on the way..More Constitution ammendments on the way''Mzantsi will soon have rebels..

      JohnnoBfree - 2012-12-02 16:46

      Nicolus, I just hope JZ isn't the director. Could be another flop. Hahahahaha

  • tebogosuemeyong - 2012-12-02 15:48

    If the ANC fail to change their leadership in Mangaung, then they must know they will have a lucky escape come 2014. Zuma failed to prove his critics wrong, he also failed to do what most were scared of during the Mbeki era, and he continues to fail to pull the country behind him when it needs him most. I just wish and hope those delegates in Mangaung put our country first wen voting begins

      wehan.victor - 2012-12-02 15:55

      The "delegates" have only their own interests at heart. It is terrible what the ANC as an organization has become. From freedom fighters to corrupt thieves in 18 years.

      georgebrightons - 2012-12-02 16:00

      ANC will win until doomsday!

      nicholus.nakanyane - 2012-12-02 16:24

      Doomsday is 2014..

      bob.mcmillen.564 - 2012-12-04 09:28

      GEORGE NOT SO BRIGHTONS, doomsday is just around the corner, many people have realised what a corrupt bunch YOUR ANC are, DA are the future get used to it, don't think South Africans are all stupid enough to put up with this farce you call a government.

  • justin.zwane - 2012-12-02 15:49

    i wish zuma does not win in magaung..... its time for change someone with mind, frseh ideas, should lead this country.

      nicholus.nakanyane - 2012-12-02 16:04

      Aint Happening Justin..Only The Smart will vote for the Smart..and i'm sure u'l agree,we'r outnumberd..lol..outgamed..lol..We loose..this time..

  • annelise.vanderschyff - 2012-12-02 15:49

    Very sad day for our belovered country!!!!

      nicholus.nakanyane - 2012-12-02 15:59

      No.no.no Annelise..its a great thing that Zuma wins..this means 1 thing..The Death of The ANC..and maybe after that South Africa will be Truilly Free off Abusers..Let them vote for disaster one last time..come 2014 if not civil war,South Africa will be having 1 political party for all Races..No More BEE.People will still die but we'l be free..

  • Agedah Alex - 2012-12-02 15:54

    Its a shame that South Africa will be like the rest black africa. Does it mean that black people can't run an organise society? Even the countries that i've being well organised by whites. Eg. Zimbabwe,Zambia,Kenya,Angola,Mozambique,Namibia,South Africa

      Agedah Alex - 2012-12-02 16:02

      @Jamba,dats d typical african mentality,thats why they consider us lesser humans

      Agedah Alex - 2012-12-02 16:45

      @ Linz, they did thesame to the Arabs,Asians,but look at china,japan,bahrain,kuwait,thailand etc. Ur destiny is in ur hands,the blame game is to familiar to rest with

      sammyserame.galeboe - 2012-12-02 19:49

      Agedah,u sound like a little bitter bt with a comment,wat u saying is dat SA is goin to be like rest of poor black Africa,can u plz tell me y?or is it bcoz its run by the Black President or am I gettin de drift wrong here man,tell me then who's the best person 4u to run SA to riches if u so worried,a white person???my man I think u gona have to packup en leave for Australia or Europe bcoz as u predicted SA is goin down,to the mines of Gold,platinum en all other minerals en dig up en be rich!

      Joe - 2012-12-04 14:22

      Imbecile

  • nathan.dube.9 - 2012-12-02 15:55

    If the ANC people have spoken, what can Motlanthe do? It seems he is not popular among ANC members. Who knows, may be this time Zuma will be able to do what other ANC members love in Motlanthe, after all he is the most entertaining President the ANC has ever had. After all, he has a very wonderful Biblical name, so lets see what God has in store for Mzansi.

  • segomotso - 2012-12-02 15:57

    Second term is in the bag.

  • acm.munro - 2012-12-02 16:07

    Maybe this is good news for the anti-Zuma camp ... if Motlanthe is not elected next month, no doubt the new party supporting him, already registered, but not launched ....will be launched, and at last we will see a real split in the ANC, and maybe there might be others within the 3-part-alliance who will show their true colours.

  • georgebrightons - 2012-12-02 16:08

    New party on the cards! UDM,COPE and the new party..

  • Jaco JP Venter - 2012-12-02 16:08

    South Africa is the best country in the world because Ciryl Ramaposa is going to lead the country not Zuuumer he is going to be there to do the ceremonies and to open the clinics and cut the ropes;i will settle with this thanks ANC Ramaposa got my respect not Zumer.

  • Prince Kgwale - 2012-12-02 16:10

    I wish Zuma can win at Mangaung because it's a great opportunity for ANC to fail and open wide gap for DA for DA to win National elections either in 2014 or 2019. Viva Zuma viva Mangaung. I like ANC branches job well done for DA!

      nicholus.nakanyane - 2012-12-02 16:17

      cANCer will def loose by 2014 should the Shower Master win..but then it wont go down without a fight..rule by the swords and die by the sword..people will loose their lives just like when it came to power..thats all they know..killings..

      nettie.potgieter.5 - 2012-12-02 16:24

      Give me hope Johanna(Prince), give me hope......

  • snylo - 2012-12-02 16:10

    2259 corrupt, thieving 'delegates' are certainly quite happy to stay exactly where they are!

  • Rob Allen - 2012-12-02 16:11

    good news for the DA

  • mfanafuthi.mhlungu - 2012-12-02 16:12

    ANC

  • louis.hager.12 - 2012-12-02 16:13

    How to groom the lamest duck of all time.

  • timothy.crowley.96 - 2012-12-02 16:14

    I am not surprised, who would be stupid enough to vote against the one who employs you, vote for another and you will find yourself out of a job!

  • mvundlela.levy - 2012-12-02 16:15

    SOUTH AFRICANS are not stupid as anc think,come 2014 u will be shocked as many people now are flocking 2 DA,new party wl split frm ANC like as it happen when cope was formed,even now we are aware that new party is on standby waiting te out come of MANGAUNG.

  • Jos - 2012-12-02 16:16

    This is good news indeed. With Zuma in we are at least assured that Malema stays out. Al the others would bring Malema back. And after Zuma, we will have Ramaphosa as president. Five more years of Zuma is a small price to pay for this.

  • martin.pearce.3762 - 2012-12-02 16:16

    Why the heck go to Mangaung if the vote has already been decided, this is typical of ANC democracy in action. regions are told who to vote for, where's the democracy in that? Democracy is voting from the heart, in secret, otherwise we might as well all be communists and vate where everyone is equal but the Zuma's of this world are MORE EQUAL than others. Thus endeth the lesson.

  • sirthulani - 2012-12-02 16:21

    Hahahaaaaa!I'v told you,Hisexcellency J Z will win the second term wether you like it or not,and who's gonna vote for him?its YOU ofcourse,LOL

  • zolisa.dlokovu - 2012-12-02 16:21

    Its a reality my fellow South Africans Jacob Zuma will win Mangaung.We have to accept it now. Ramaphosa is likely to be our dep. president after 2014

  • emmanuel.baloyi.75 - 2012-12-02 16:24

    aaaagaaaaah.what is this...DA to powers 2014 to 2019.thanks to u zuma to let whites to rule again...cant u step down

      acm.munro - 2012-12-02 16:57

      Nothing to do with whites/blacks/pinks/purples/browns ruling ... its all about being able to deliver services, and the DA has proved that they can in all the municipalities they control as well as in the Western Cape .. and these days you cannot refer to the DA as 'whites', they really represent all the rainbow colours.

      sammyserame.galeboe - 2012-12-02 19:20

      It has been reported that western cape,cape town to be specific is rated as de most violent place in the world in top 10,so wat about the endless protests we seeing dat side,I mean if DA is dat capable it wud have atleast tried to control(especialy crime rate)it.Never will DA be capable be in a position to Govern,not now infact how about NEVER,we have such a brilliant young black lady in Mazibuko but problem is she complains too much instead of coming with solutions bcoz weneva there's a problem they point fingers instead of collectively resolving it!!!my Gosh DA never!!!!!!

  • Zakhele Mnisi - 2012-12-02 16:25

    if Zuma wins, my vote will go to DA, sorry Tata but hope you'll understand. Guess its time for change guys... Viva Zille Viva!!! ANC has already lost one vote for 2014...

      matimu.milwood - 2012-12-03 13:18

      Wo lorha sweswo, switikomba itwa mporosi

  • richard.botha1 - 2012-12-02 16:28

    People sure have short memories. You DA guys must really wake-up and smell the coffee. The DA hasn't even reached the level of opposition that it had in 1994, when they were the DP, NP and FA. They have to date managed to muster 22% in a local election, which always drops in a National election, where the turnout is bigger. In 1994 they had 22.5% of the total vote. All that the DA has managed to do over the last decade is to win back the coloured vote that they lost in the Western Cape, that the ANC itself marginalised. They have to date not made any significant inroads into the traditional ANC support base at all. In actual fact the ANC has gained 2% since 1994. You DA guys need to realise that the majority of South Africans are not liberal and never will be. The DA are trying to bribe an electorate with something they don't believe in. Start looking for the answers elsewhere. The success of a brand new party like Cope that got 7% almost half of the DA's 16% proves that the people are looking for something other than what the DA are offering. Cope managed to mess it up, but the message is clear. I will give you a clue, the majority of South Africans are conservative, not liberal.

      acm.munro - 2012-12-02 17:00

      Richard, just remember when you quote 1994 figures that the NP sold out the people that voted for them all those years, and walked over and joined the ANC

      charl.malan.12 - 2012-12-02 19:15

      Word from the peanut gallery, thanks!

  • masta.pilusa - 2012-12-02 16:31

    2gether we can do more.this is the words of unity.Unity can change the impossible 2b possible.Power in UNITY...

      sammyserame.galeboe - 2012-12-02 19:03

      Masta.pilusa 100% correct,this is one thing all SA people must get into their heads,United we stand if we were united as de ppl of SA we wudnt be conplaining endlessly without any actions en be fighting evry corrupt member in the society but instead of doin that we wud rather blame en point fingers,why can't we stand together as one,South Africa?forget ANC,DA,COPING,IFP en starting thinkin about wat this country cud b if we can all stand 2geda,but I knw I can shout for as loud as I cud but white ppl will never stand together with us,prove me I beg u 2 prove me wrong on this one as I stand 2 b accused!!