Zuma urged to take stand on nationalisation

2011-08-04 06:58

Cape Town - It is time for President Jacob Zuma to openly reject the debate on mine nationalisation, the Democratic Alliance said on Wednesday.

So far, three Cabinet ministers had gone on record against such a debate, but there was no clarity on what Zuma or the rest of his Cabinet believed, DA spokesperson Tim Harris said.

"Or, indeed, what the government's official position is," he said in a statement.

It was no longer good enough for government leaders to pass the ball to the ANC's so-called task-team investigating mine nationalisation.

Productive investment was driven by perceptions, and current perceptions were that the government of the day was debating whether to nationalise private mining assets.

"The DA is relieved that, one by one, Cabinet ministers are joining the opposition to a debate around nationalisation.

"But investors will need to hear an unambiguous statement from President Zuma before they are prepared to discount this 'debate' as simply the ramblings of the largely irrelevant ANC Youth League," Harris said.

In this case, Zuma was being led by his ministers.

Reckless debate

On Monday, Public Enterprises Minister Malusi Gigaba pointed out "the harm this reckless debate is doing to the good image and investments of the country".

On Tuesday, Mineral Resources Minister Susan Shabangu weighed in, saying "don't think as South Africa, we want to repeat failed states".

Trade and Industry Minister Rob Davies had reportedly called nationalisation "unconstitutional" in an address to the Swiss-South Africa Chamber of Commerce.

Shabangu rightly indicated that she perceived the nationalisation of mines to be the wrong solution to the current poverty and unemployment crisis.

"The DA strongly agrees with the minister. She pointed out that the emphasis of this debate has wrongly been placed on mine nationalisation and that it should rather be a discussion about job creation and poverty eradication," he said.

But even to openly debate the nationalisation of private assets would worsen the situation by driving away foreign investment.

There were workable alternative solutions that would help to accelerate economic growth and job creation in South Africa.

These included creating incentives for increased employment through a youth wage subsidy, making it easier to register a business, and better assisting small-scale enterprise.

"Under the president's leadership, the New Growth Path has been announced with the aim of creating five million new jobs, yet we are simultaneously entertaining a debate on the nationalisation of mines that has the potential to destroy countless jobs.

"The President now needs to state where he stands on nationalisation or risk his presidency being defined by an inability to create jobs and a decline in foreign direct investment," Harris said.

  • Aish - 2011-08-04 07:05


      Aish - 2011-08-04 07:07

      Come Zuma, just tell us all what that Dalema has on you, get it over with, and let us know so the rest of us straight thinking people can get on with our Country!!!

      Tc - 2011-08-04 07:37

      Absolutely! The gutsless demostration by the ANC is hurting the economy and destroying those jobs that the ANC promises to the poor! The only direction currently representingthe ANC are the senseless utterances by Malema (sic). I suppose the poor in SA have only themselves to blame for this situation.

      Exoteric - 2011-08-04 07:49

      Zuma will say nothing thats anti ANCYL right now, he's looking for re-election, with so many wives and 20 kids trust me he's not gonna stand up and say anything to endanger his salary and 'trust fund'

      Mr_Mind - 2011-08-04 08:05

      Yes Jacob! Get your head out of your ass!

      Herdsman - 2011-08-04 08:13

      ...the DA must be joking ! Zuma will not make a stand on anything that could jeopardize his second term reelection.

      Rajty - 2011-08-04 08:15

      But he has publically rebuked the nationalisation aspects as not being part of the ANC's polcies. he has done this. Malema will say whay he wants- surely it is his democratic right to do so- or should he be censored?

      Carbon - 2011-08-04 08:18

      Finally, someone is saying what the country have been thinking all along.

      Rapier - 2011-08-04 08:28

      The current calibre of TRUE leadership in SA, especially that coming form the ANC is now, very quickly, leading to us becoming the "has beens" of Africa, when we started off with so much going for us 17 years ago. To my knowledge, Zuma has not made ANY decisions since taking office as President which will benefit our nation. Just in the last 2 weeks: 1. He made a poor call on the new Judge President, has been dithering on another choice, 2. Has not taken action on the Police Commisioner Cele and Public Works Minister Gwen Mahlangu-Nkabinde 3. Has not taken meaningful action on the jobs front, having on three previous occasions promised 150 000 jobs in a year, and then 5 MILLION jobs in the next breath. 4. NO action on the education front, and now our education system is even worse than what it was under the OBE introduced by the late Kadar Asmal - at least he HAD a policy - however flawed it was. 5. Failing to deal with the strife between ANC, COSATU and the Communist party. The list goes on - and it should be a matter of extreme concern, when he puts more IMMEDIATE action into suing a newspaper columnist (Zapiro) for a political cartoon, a by-passer showing two fingers at his blue light brigade, and a drunk man spilling a drink in his direction. We won't even talk about the apparently unhealthy connection with the Gupta "regime" and his immediate family. PATHETIC!

      Anonymus - 2011-08-04 08:38

      Zoooooma lets see if you can stand up for once and address the nation!!

      Dominic - 2011-08-04 08:45

      Nationalisation and appropriation without compensation simply takes wealth from people who understand how to create, maintain and grow it, and removes all incentive for them to remain or continue. It's a tried and tested way to remove competent citizens. Of course the more racially prejudiced ANC/YL supporters think it's a clever way to drive the whites out of the country but, competent citizens come in all colours and that's how they will go too. All that will remain will be a nation of corrupt incompetents (with their role-models - Zuma and Malema), not only in government but also in a shrinking industry. Democracy is only as good as the attitude of the majority. Apartheid can be blamed for that, current white-on-black racist comments too. If only we could privatise government.

      MandlaSithole - 2011-08-04 09:05

      Zuma is still trying to buy the media and not being involved in matters that directly affect the state. What a chop...

      Sheda Hab - 2011-08-04 09:08

      Even Viagra could not give our lame President a stand against anything. If he did not have his blue light gang around him he would go into full hiding. JUju is his spokesman - he even declared war against Botswana for Zuma.

      saliem - 2011-08-04 10:05

      Zoomer has his eyes firmly fixed on gaining another term in office. He lacks the capacity to focus on anything other than this. He will go down in history as the WORST President in the history of our country. This is likely to illicit a great deal of angst but even the apartheid leaders were not as bad as him... at least they had an opinion to air!

      Unskinny Bob - 2011-08-04 10:12

      Does shower face ever comment on anything he can't spell?

      Nunya - 2011-08-04 10:33

      He is to $hit scared of Malema...spineless one...

      Creeky - 2011-08-04 10:33

      Remember people... in order to "TAKE A STAND"... one needs a BACK-BONE, which Zuma LACKS!!!! Another Stupid Spineless Cadre!

      amdisgusted - 2011-08-04 11:13

      @aish - not only 'robbing fat hood', but you are also forgetting Shaik, Roux Shabangu and now the Guptas and their cohorts!

      DEVILS SON - 2011-08-04 11:54

      @ mr mind he would pull it out of his ass but his shower head is caught up on his small intestine

      Thandiwe83 - 2011-08-04 11:56

      Hear hear. What is your position Zuma?

      Schalk - 2011-08-04 12:01

      Very well said, Rapier... The damage that JZ is steadily doing to this country by means of poor and/or much delayed decision making truly is immense. The job of a president is to make decisions that will benefit his country. The decisions JZ makes serve only to benefit himself and the decisions that will benefit the country (i.e. muzzling Malema) are simply not being made. Words fail to express my disappointment... All I can do is echo your emphatic closure: PATHETIC!

      Komasa - 2011-08-04 12:03

      @Aish in December 2012 at the ANC national congress malema needs majority of the vote to push through nationalisation, currently he has under 3%. Before that he must first face his demons and the first one is on tuesday when he must answer to his desire to overthrow the Botswana government.

      TheWasp - 2011-08-04 12:11

      The REASON why he hasn't commented yet is cause nobody has written the script for him to read yet..... We know Showerhead can't think for himself, aslo he has much more important things to do put a white oke in jail for spilling a drink on him....The country's economy will then be looked a later stage... What dirt has Malema got on you Mr Pres? Why havent you hoofed him into touch long ago.....suspicious.....

      p123 - 2011-08-04 12:29

      The smiling dancing president simply doesn't have a clue!!!

      p123 - 2011-08-04 13:41

      Rapier - there is a reason for this, all he is interested in is securing a 2nd term (and more access to patronage). He needs Malema and Cele to back him, so he can not take action against them. It is so sad that he puts his interests above 50 million people. All he can do is sing, dance and produce children, sad indeed!!!

      Frox - 2011-08-04 13:59

      Wow...Zuma looks like he is just sitting out his term on his secure but increasingly less significant position. Wake up little Zuma, wake up!

      Politicallycorrect - 2011-08-04 16:01

      Zuma aint got the balls to do anything. He's bowing down to the infana!

      Ayoba - 2011-08-04 18:23

      I will speak on behalf of JZ. Yes, I do support nationalisation. The sooner we implement it, the better for our country. It is time the mineral resources of the country benefit the masses in our country. I will be announcing the plan of action soon. Thank you all for showing interest on this subject and looking forward to our working together as South Africans to achieve this great milestone in our country. This also for our future generations. I thank U.

      Democrat2011 - 2011-08-04 19:09

      People are really dumb. Zuma told everyone that the Nationalisation of mines was not ANC policy. What more do you want? The only thing the ANCYL has done is to try and make it ANC policy. This is democracy at work. Try and influence the voters to reject the policy. It doesn't matter what Zuma or Zille or the imbecile Moeletsi say. You must influence the people who who will vote on the accepetance of the policy or the people who will vote for the party to rule SA. It is derelection of duty on your part that whenever there is an issue under discussion then Zuma must pronounce. He cannot, no matter how brave he can be. Even if he can state his opinion, it will be worthless in the bigger picture. So grow up and take responsibility!

      TheUgly - 2011-08-05 08:29

      This Malema is the most unproductive being. He is scaring away businessmen who would like to invests in our world class banks and mines, Costing the country billions, while he makes millions. Only in South-Africa. Where DJ's and Ministers are the same thing. When was the last time you saw Obama whip out a couple of glowsticks.

      JMan - 2011-08-05 09:15

      Well, in Zuma's defense, he can't possibly comment publicly on a concept this important that he has obviously no clue about...again.

      michaelx - 2011-08-05 10:28


      cuz - 2011-08-06 00:17

      When Malema travelled to Zimbabwe to personally learn from Mugabe how land evasions of white farms should be done, he started calling for the confiscating of white owned farms without compensation, whilst not a peep from the ANC. The same thing happened when he started calling for the nationalization of the mines. He traveled to Venezuela to learn this trick from Hugo Chavez. The whole time people waited in vain for the ANC to discipline him. Now it has emerged that the ANC in North West as well as the ANC in Limpopo officially back the ANC Youth League to nationalize mines and other sectors of the economy. In the mean time, 8000 members of the ANC Youth League and the Young Communist League will be trained at Saldanha and Bloemfontein (De Brug) military bases. The ANC denies that they will be receiving military training, instead they will be receiving training in “Life Skills”, “Artisanship”, “Patriotism” and “Discipline”… This military training for the ANC youth has been planned from the very top of the ANC and has the backing of the Minister Of Defense, Lindiwe Sisulu. These are the Mugabe Green Bombers all over again. It is illegal to have private armies in South Africa and illegal for any political party to military train its members with taxpayer’s money. As this is not enough, The ANC has allocated more funds to train the National Rural Youth Service Corps (NARYSEC).

      whereu - 2011-08-06 06:26

      Ayoba, I would agree with your wish to nationalise the mines if this step were really of benefit to the people of the country. Mining is a high risk capital intensive enterprise and success is far from certain. I feel that there are far better options to ensure that the wealth of natural resources is shared. Things like royalties and taxes come to mind. The BEE structure could also be re-examined to ensure that all have an opportunity to invest. In order to realise the wealth that is locked up in the ground, we need to encourage private investment. Even the wealthiest countries understand this, and it's no different for us. In summary, straight out nationalisation doesn't work. The model used in Botswana may be worth looking at. They appear to have struck a good balance between encouraging the required private investment and ensuring that their people benefit.

  • Steven Gains - 2011-08-04 07:08

    He doesn't have the balls to speak up, and he doesn't have the capacity to think. Why as him something that is way above his intellectual reasoning capability?

      Hux - 2011-08-04 07:24

      his balls are otherwise occupied.

      Hux - 2011-08-04 07:58

      @sganja. Zuma is an insult.

      Born To Fish - 2011-08-04 08:01

      Sganja, It is hard to debate facts....

      WCD - 2011-08-04 08:29

      sganja = another brain donor

      Anonymus - 2011-08-04 08:41

      @sganja - get off your black masters computer and get back to weeding his garden you fool.

      SageScion - 2011-08-04 08:58

      LMAO @ Anonymus LOL

  • paulf - 2011-08-04 07:11

    Where in the world has nationalisation ever been successful??? I am afraid to say but the ANC want to take us back 40+ years. There is no quick fix to SA's current situation and quick fixes never succeed. They must look at the long term which they obviously cannot as they have absolutely no vision.

      paulf - 2011-08-04 07:16

      To add to my comment. Zuma is the worst President SA ever had. He keeps himself mull all the time and answers Nothing!!! He is incompetent and does not deserve to be called President.

      Charlie - 2011-08-04 08:47

      I think South Africa is in big trouble if zuma gets another term, more years of non-decision, extreme corruption in government with no consequence, ancYL inciting racial hatred daily, all this incompetence is taking us backwards! But where is our next leader going to come from, we need morals, integrity, honesty and strong leadership to get us out of this chaotic mess the current anc has created! Is Moeletsi Mbeki an option? Would South Africans support him?

      DEVILS SON - 2011-08-04 11:57

      yeah paul, the gentleman who keeps my garden tip top gets called sir by me, zoomer will just get a jacob, my gardener out ranks that pinched off turd

      p123 - 2011-08-04 13:45

      Charlie, brain dead people like Malema will so that Moeletsi is an agent of the racist imperialists etc etc. That is their standard response to any black person who speaks sense!!!

  • guytom - 2011-08-04 07:14

    There is no quick way to sort SA out . Work hard and we will get there . Stop treating everything as a get rich quick scheme. Wake up and smell the coffee !!!!

      Creeky - 2011-08-04 11:44

      Only way to repair SA is to pump BILLIONS into the EDUCATION SYSTEM.... NOT TO BE STOLEN, but to ACTUALLY SPEND MONEY ON UPLIFTING THE SYSTEM...Give those kids WHAT THEY NEED!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Not so difficult now is it?

  • Cool Sunk - 2011-08-04 07:14

    Well, I am certain JZ will take about two weeks to reply. First his speechwriter will have to draft the response. Then he will need to sit with the Oxford Dictionary to learn to pronounce those words and when he gets frustrated while learning these words he will shower...So all in all expect a response after two weeks...

      paulf - 2011-08-04 07:19

      Two weeks is too short bud, two years sounds more appropriate. LOL

      Creeky - 2011-08-04 11:45

      Speech Writer is on SUSPENSION.... WITH FULL PAY....hense nothing from Zuma... To STUPID to write his OWN SPEECH!

      Antonio Ashley Morientes - 2011-08-04 11:49

      Two weeks, that's a tremendous improvement. I was looking at about another two and a half month.

  • 1gascan - 2011-08-04 07:17

    Expect a long loooooong silence with occasional static...

  • Ceejay - 2011-08-04 07:17

    Sigh....a president with sh1tforbrains

      GTA_Lad - 2011-08-04 07:53

      Thats putting it nicely

  • umlaut - 2011-08-04 07:19

    Yes and he must explain the Swazi 'loan'(HAND OUT)-the reason that we shall sit with the Swazi unemployed is not good enough---that is why you have border control. For the next few years they will use that money and when it is finished they ASK AGAIN???---------- IF ZUMA IS SO RECKLESS WITH SA MONEY HE WILL SUPPORT THE RECKLESS NATIONALIZATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      Shrek - 2011-08-04 07:24

      You think that money is going to last a few years???

      Rob Gunning - 2011-08-04 08:24

      Your opinion is spot on. This is exactly the same conclusion I came to. I think the only reason the money is going there is to prevent a complete economic collapse in Swaziland and to stop another influx of illegals from crossing the border putting more strain on our overtaxed systems.

      Creeky - 2011-08-04 10:38

      The "LOAN" to Swaziland is DOWREY/ LABOLA for his latest POMP!!!! He promised the King of Swaziland, if he takes his sista.... he will pay a dowrey/ labola!!!!!!

  • Peanut - 2011-08-04 07:26

    Come Zuma, show us you do have some balls to silence the ANCYL.

      Shadoz - 2011-08-04 08:49

      Zuma shall forever be called the the coward president.

      feykuz - 2011-08-05 09:55

      Funny you really think that the ANCYL can be silenced by anyone? They've been at this for years and its foolosh to think they're about to stop now.

  • daaidoos - 2011-08-04 07:33

    The thing is that Zuma is a spineless creature who does nothing more than trying to appease prominent ANC politicians. That's why he can't put his foot down and take a stand on anything. SA is currently rated no 172 in terms of being a direct foreign investment destination. This means that globally there's 171 countries that's considered more favorable to international job creating investors than SA. Our government must take urgent steps to change this if they are serious about job creation. Nationalization rhetoric drives investors away. Everyone knows that.

      daaidoos - 2011-08-04 07:35

      That's actually 127th not 172, but still bad

      1gascan - 2011-08-04 08:28

      With ~ 190 countries in the world, your figure puts us towards the bottom of the chain. Well, what can one expect...?

      WCD - 2011-08-04 08:52

      daaidoos - creating jobs, recovering the economy will never happen in this country because the masses do not want to work, they demand and in order to recover the economy, someones has to be accountable for the state of affairs, which will NEVER happen - its a CATCH 22

      Elaine - 2011-08-04 09:31

      He has been promoted beyond his level of (in)competence. He thought he was just to be a ceremonial President such as SA had in the past... must have been a shock when he realised he had to do a bit of work for the fortune he gets paid lol.

      Antonio Ashley Morientes - 2011-08-04 11:40

      Yes everyone knows that except the ANC. As evidenced by the poeple they put in parliament, there's quite a lot of issues to debate towards the country's economic growth and so forth, instead, due to lack of know how poeple bring about stupid debates on name changes of roads, hospitals, churches, ect,etc. What surprises me most is they'll talk about preserving history - Now the question is Whos history? I'm a black South African and I'm proud to be one but please I would also love to tell my child one day who Jan Smat, Van Reebeck and many more were. Our children will read about them in history books and only to find that we've have changed all the names. Very stupid. History is history whether black or white. Build more roads, clinicks etc,etc and give them new names, by doing so you;ll create jobs in the long run.

  • sowhat - 2011-08-04 07:33

    He never have a stand in his entire life why you expect something from him now.The guy is a brainless idiot.

      terry - 2011-08-04 08:12

      Yeah - he has a stand .... every time he sees an attractive young girl - which is why he has 30 something children by about 10 different women!

  • Ndlovu - 2011-08-04 07:38

    oh... he fears hes future.. the political future.. and, maight be, more!!!

  • Ryan Tunney - 2011-08-04 07:38

    Nationalisation does not work because effectively that means that you're entrusting a political party with the wealth of a country. This makes it very difficult to let go of power when the vote goes against the party of the day under those circumstances. A corrupt party like the ANC would not relinquish power if they were to be voted out because it would also mean they're handing over "their wealth" to another party.

  • iDubula - 2011-08-04 07:41

    For Zuma to take a stand on any issue is totally against his character (or rather lack thereof). He is yellow through and through - a typical Ja-Broer...

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  • Ockert - 2011-08-04 07:45

    There will be silence, which means that he and his gravy train cronies actually agree with nationalisation.

  • Charlton10 - 2011-08-04 07:47

    The most useless president saouth Africa ever had. No respect for him. I almost puke when I see him on TV.

      BokomoWeetbi - 2011-08-04 08:01

      Agreed Charlton 100% - He is useless, while his family and friends are getting rich

      Ryan Tunney - 2011-08-04 09:28

      "Scum" is the word you're looking for.

      gazzaz - 2011-08-05 13:02

      Agreed he is USELESS, EXCEPT is flipping good at that!!!

  • Brownskin - 2011-08-04 07:50

    Over the last two week, I have seen the US President on TV addressing his nation on things that worry the nation: economy and jobs. Now and then he speak to his people, leading them. I’m not saying what he promise will happen but you see a leader taking charge of his administration. But with our own President, Mr Zuma you hear nothing, you something wonder who is the president in this country, Malema or JZ? Policeman have been killed on duty, and you hear nothing from him. Nationalisaion, you hear nothing, only when he say its not the ANC policy. I want you thought as a president not the ANC. Why can’t he copy or learn from Barack?

      Johnny - 2011-08-04 09:26

      beside your spelling, i think your statement is quite clear, JZ has no spine

      Sean - 2011-08-04 09:37

      Brownskin - 100%. (No) ActionMan Zuma is useless. One only sees him attending Royal weddings, dancing like an idiot for his fans and hobnobbing with terrorist leaders like Gadaffi. He should focus on his job...

  • Zenzele - 2011-08-04 07:55

    People are concerned about their day to day where thier next bread will come from, employment creation,housing, etc. The topic of nationalisation is ill-timed. Its only pushed by those with a direct financial gain, they must stop copying policies of other failed African states.

      BokomoWeetbi - 2011-08-04 08:00

      Amen Zenzele - but you expect too much of a president that hussled his way in that post, one that arranged to oust an 'iconic' freedom fighter our President (the one who brought us the world cup and foreign investment) 'Thabo Mbeki'and one that stands against the principles of the father of the Nation "Nelson Mandela" - All his children are benefitting from his presidency and all his close allies. For Thabo and Mandela, we didn't mind but this bugger is a spineless, good for nothing swine!!

      Johnny - 2011-08-04 09:24

      well said Zenzele

  • Born To Fish - 2011-08-04 07:59

    YEah right!!! Deam on DA, Dream on! Zuma has no spine!

      Komasa - 2011-08-04 13:04

      'Deam' is a biological strain of dope.

  • tailormade - 2011-08-04 08:03

    I dare our "elected" president to call for a national, televised debate on this issue.... O ja, I forgot: he doesn't do debates

      Born To Fish - 2011-08-04 08:06

      When do you suppose must he make time for debates with 20 woman to keep happy?

      tailormade - 2011-08-04 09:05

      BornToFish, 3 words: chronic fatique syndrome. It's well known to completely debilitate concentrate, focus and attention span. Slurred speech might even appear in such depression states. So ja, you are right: the ability to debate would be impossible

      Lab-Rat - 2011-08-04 10:02

      You can't really expect a person with a standard 4 education to be able to debate on any intellectual level. He would rather turn them all down than show the rest of the country just how uneducated he really is.

  • jen - 2011-08-04 08:06

    It is time Jacob Zuma spend more time to solve South Africa's growing problems. Leave international politics and problems for the bigwigs. There is no way that he can sort out Libya, Sirya. Make intelligent statements about relevant issues here in SA, put your foot down, get your head out of the sand and get rid of all your useless lapdogs in the presidency's office.

      Marcell - 2011-08-04 08:32

      zuma and intelligence is a oxymoron.

  • JJSCPT - 2011-08-04 08:08

    They are all part of this. Helping themselves to get rich and dont worry about the poor. As long as they are getting something out of the deal, they dont worry and dont say anything.

  • Kareltjie Boshoff - 2011-08-04 08:08

    The spineless one cannot stand; he is being held up with a plank, some cable ties and viagra! And no one has written his script yet!

      Kareltjie Boshoff - 2011-08-04 08:11

      Computer says no.

  • Bravo - 2011-08-04 08:09

    It will never happen - he hasnt done anything about the ANCYL up to now, and he never will. He is too scared of them as they can kick him out of office as easliy as they put him into power. They are the power behind the throne.

  • Dav - 2011-08-04 08:15

    @Bheki Grow up you dumb fu%k

  • theratlady - 2011-08-04 08:15

    Zuma is the ANCYL 's puppet..everytime he wants to make a stand they remind him of who made it possible for him to become president and now he is to afraid to go up against them. After all he has many mouths to feed in his family.

  • Bok Fan - 2011-08-04 08:18

    I dont think the DA or anyone else is expecting an answer from the sex addict in nkandla. This episode only serves to show me how contemptuous the anc is of its mandates an commitments to the masses. It has several mouths and it speaks from all simultaneously. To remind everyone its mandate is 1 A better life for all 2.Develop systems and services to enable this to occur 3. Ensure safety, security, education and basic healthcare 4. Uphold every citizens right to life and dignity 5. Increase the commitment to nation building through respect for our our constitution. This miserable cabal of thieves,fools, haters and corruptees has FAILED on every count. Those who held the country to ransom by saying they would die and kill for Zuma are now the ones killing him. That done, they must all pay for their crimes.Like Mubarak

      Lab-Rat - 2011-08-04 10:05

      ...and let's not forget equal rights and opportunties for all south africans, which they've shown their middle finger to.

  • Orosman - 2011-08-04 08:18

    What is wrong with Nationalisation. Why should our minerla resources be owned by British, Americans etc. Their mineral resources are not owned by other countries.Look at ABSA bank, 60% owned By British Barclays bank and ABSA is cutting down on staff. If one has a look on the Internet one can see how many countries has claimed back their resources so that the people of those countries can benefit.Our people in South Africa, Black and white is not getting the benefits. Lets look at the latest going down. Waalmart takeover of Masmaart. You really think we will score here. Lets look at how the Americans screwed over Telkom. 65,000 jobs down to around 20,000 and they took billions out of our country. Now they will come and lend that same money back to us, keep us in poverty and take more billions out in the future.Nationalise and get finish with it as our peoplewill benefit.

      jen - 2011-08-04 08:41

      Orosman, why is Mugabe so rich and the people in his country so poor. The government took everything. Look at all the other African countries that took everything back, the people are dirt poor. None of the money trickles down to the poor. The Indians and Chinese are increasingly responsible for the Arican economy. Nigeria, wiht all its oil resources does not even have their own refinaries. China is now responsible for most of the mining of minerals in Africa. How many foreigners from those nationalised countries come to SA for work?

      Totman - 2011-08-04 09:58

      @Orosman. I would also like it if all South African stuff belong to South Africans, but just a reminder on ABSA.[A bank I do not like at all.] The Barclay's group bought there shares with monies that they brought in. At that time our economy was not so good and interest raises was unavoidable. We would have had to pay more for a lot of things, but the transaction directly influence our pockets. The individual scored. Get your point, but using incorrect facts crippling your argument. Last thing. The job losses is a direct action due to lost of profits and technology that they "so kindly" make cheaper for you to use. This counts for all banks.

      Greybeard - 2011-08-04 11:06

      For some time now the mineral resources have been state owned. Mining companies own only the infrastructure of the mines, and pay huge licence fees for the rights to mine those resources, a large percentage of profits from mining is also paid to tax. Given that mining income has dwindled to only 7% of our GDP (estimated as LESS than the losses attributable to CORRUPTION), how is nationalizing the mines going to improve the situation? It is past time that we clean house. Stop the corruption, overhaul the top-heavy, over paid and totally inefficient civil service, and DO SOME WORK! Regarding Agriculture and the re-distribution of land:- The responsible department recently admitted in parliament that there were over 600 posts UNFILLED, a significant number of the top management are on suspension with FULL PAY pending corruption and fraud investigations, and that MOST of the field agents charged with identifying and negotiating "Willing seller - willing buyer" deals had INFLATED the asking prices for their own benefit. The department is therefore PARALYZED! These are the ?BENEFITS? of cadre deployment.

  • daaivark - 2011-08-04 08:26

    At least 2 problems spring out within the 1st two paragraphs of this piece: Firstly, Zuma wouldn't know how to take a stand on anything, if he tried; secondly, He wouldn't know how to behave openly (It's not in his vocabulary).

  • Monkeywranch - 2011-08-04 08:33

    Bring back the apprenticeship system, this creates the skills that people need as well as jobs.

      Monkeywranch - 2011-08-04 08:43

      Unfortunateely the ANC are like losers and do not have a winning attitude. Why do they go to Venezuela to learn about nationalization? That's like going to America to learn about fiscal prudency.

  • Bemused - 2011-08-04 08:36

    I get the impression that most commentators here think that the ANC is against nationalisation. I think they are wrong. I think that Zuma and his supporters love the idea and as soon as they can, they will put it in motion. And that goes for land grabs as well. He would also like to have 39 farms like Robert has. There is an organisation called "Lead SA". I think they should change to :Leave SA" Cause down the line your property rights are going to be ignored and if and when the banks are nationalized, what is going to happen to our savings and investments? As for the constitution, that too will be altered to suit, I am convinced. Zuma won't even comment on government change calls regarding Botswana by the ANCYL, what makes any think he'll criticize them for anything to do with internal matters. It's sad but it would appear that we are being warned well in advance. I see the foreigners are taking note, why don't we citizens take note as well.?

      biskit - 2011-08-04 08:43

      Its just an opinion you got going there - There are no facts although i do agree with you that alot of ANC comrades do love the idea because they think SA will become paradise on earth but realisticly we know that in Life there's no such thing as a free lunch

  • Mark Haupt - 2011-08-04 08:43

    I doubt that Zuma could take a stand on the time of day, never mind an issue like nationalization. In fact I have doubts as to whether anybody in the ANCYL, and possibly the ANC itself, really has any inclination what nationalization could do to a country where productivity is so low, exports so few and unemployment so high. The mines are our main generator of income and if they were to be managed like Telkom, SAA, Transnet - to name a few - it would be a disaster.

  • Hangmann - 2011-08-04 08:44

    Come now Jacob, don't be scared, no need to apply your mind. Just say "Yes" OR "No". We don't want to hear any if's, but's, maybe's or eish's.

      biskit - 2011-08-04 08:51

      Eishhhh...haha :)

  • Trevor - 2011-08-04 08:45

    Jacob Zuma is just a puppet who has no opinion, he's told what to say and think. "His" policies and knee jerk reactions don't compliment each other which tells anyone with half a brain that he's just doing what he is told. As for taking on Julius Malema, that will never happen because in reality, at the moment Julius IS the President of SA, like Zuma fought off Rape alligations, Julius will fight off his "vast riches" with "3rd force" alligations and play the race card which, he is already doing. Moral is, JZ is just a mouth piece who will do as he is told, that is how the ANC/ANCYL works.

  • Face - 2011-08-04 08:45

    What all you whities do not understand is that "they" will make decisions on the grounds that "they" are in control and do everything in their power to upset you irrespective of the consequences and what harm it might cause the country. That is what happened all over Africa - that is how "they" are.

      BokomoWeetbi - 2011-08-04 08:52

      you generalising buddy. Not all "they's" are the same - the same way that not all 'you' are the same

  • tut - 2011-08-04 08:51

    Zuma cannot even stand up to the ANCYL goons making complete fools of the ANC. How the hell can he make any stand on Nationalization policy. The ANC have dragged South Africa into toilet bowl politics and the foul smell eminating is now reaching the rest of the world who have serious concerns whether they want to invest here or not with the Country managed by a bunch of turds!

  • DRYGOII - 2011-08-04 09:01

    People have the goverment what they deserved! This is the goverment what majority elected! Minority has to obey or leave! I've chosen to leave!No ways to win this battle in Africa-understand it ,fellows europeans,!!!

  • Sheda Hab - 2011-08-04 09:08

    Even Viagra could not give our lame President a stand against anything. If he did not have his blue light gang around him he would go into full hiding. JuJu is his spokesman - he even declared war against Botswana for Zuma.

  • Abel - 2011-08-04 09:15

    I think i support the stand by the president to clarify what the government stand on the issue of natonalization of mines.

  • Johnny - 2011-08-04 09:21

    Yeah Zuma, grow some ironies and shut mini me up once and for all. who is president of SA you or Juli-arse. do something now or are you a chicken.

  • birdman - 2011-08-04 09:22

    Do you think that Zuma and his government actually take heed of the comments on this and other forums? I think not. As people who take the trouble to voice opinion on these forums can on the whole see what is happening as clear as day, but the goverment couldn't care less! They are in it for themselves personally. They want to reach the same personal wealth status as Mugabe - the wealthiest polititian in history. So why would they even give a damn? As long as they have the rabble in their pockets with promises of "anything that they want to hear", they will remain in power. At the next eletion, I will buy shares in KFC.

  • Bemused - 2011-08-04 09:22

    Don't know what happened to my earlier comment but here it is again. I believe that Zuma actually will implement nationalisation of mines and banks in the near future. He believes in the idea and that is why you don't hear him saying anything against it. I also think that the land grabs will happen in time so that, like Robert, he too can have 39 farms. The foreign investors are taking notice of the warning signs, why is it so difficult for us citizens to take the same amount of notice?. There is an organisation called "Lead SA", I think they should change their title to "Leave SA" as the writing is on the wall. When the Banks are nationalized, what is going to happen to our savings and investments? And as for the constitution, that will be altered to suit as required by the ANC and the ANCYL agenda's. Please note, Zuma won't even criticise when calls are made for government change in Botswana. Why would anyone expect anything to happen regarding internal matters? so, as far as foreign direct investment goes, we can give that a miss, I think. So far we are 70% down on the previous year which is a sure indication of the future. Sad but there we are.

  • Kunta-Kinte - 2011-08-04 09:22

    Nationalisation of mines would only be positive with a stable, non-corrupt, trustworthy political structure in place. In principle, it's the right thing to do. South Africa must evolve and mature politically before such steps are taken, otherwise the consequences could be disastrous. At the moment, the gov't should look for a larger share of revenue and a fairer wage for employees. The mineral wealth in African and South African soil should be at the disposal of the African and South African people, not the global corporate bloodsuckers.

      Scorpion - 2011-08-04 11:35

      "The mineral wealth in African and South African soil should be at the disposal of the African and South African people, not the global corporate bloodsuckers" Corporate bloodsuckers? then what would you call the current ANC government? If nationalisation goes ahead the only benefactors will be the ANC troop.You will see non of it dude. Instead you will be holding out your cupped hands hoping those "corporate bloodsuckers" feed you

      Kunta-Kinte - 2011-08-04 13:10

      Government blood suckers who are beholden to their intl capitalist masters.

      ANCockup - 2011-08-04 13:15

      Kunty shouldnt you be mowing the baas's lawn?

  • iDubula - 2011-08-04 09:27

    A bad leader is not necessarily someone who makes bad decisions. It is someone who makes NO decisions - sound familiar???

  • Johnny - 2011-08-04 09:29

    they had the brains of SA economy in a debate, Nationalisation will cause huge job losses and economic withdrawal from international investors, are they to stupid to see this

  • Babba x - 2011-08-04 09:31

    Zuma doesn't have the backbone to express his view. Even if he did say something, I wouldn't trust his word

  • - 2011-08-04 09:36

    Stand up and be a man, you can do it as this country needs a leader

      Jake - 2011-08-04 13:28

      Do you hear the crickets in zuma's corner, that is all you are going to get.

  • AndV - 2011-08-04 09:38

    JZ is too weak and will avoid the issue as always. He can not comprehend the complexities of the debate and is in any event looking around for another wife and can not be reached.....

  • thobsa malope - 2011-08-04 09:41

    Urging Zuma to show leadership by taking a stand is a waste of breath.