Zuma warns ANC dissidents

2012-12-20 22:00

Bloemfontein - ANC President Jacob Zuma vowed on Thursday to root out factionalism and to "deal" with dissidents and members challenging the ruling party in court.

"Through political education and cadre development as well as decisive action against ill-discipline, we will be able to root out all the tendencies that we have identified over the years," he said in his closing address to the ANC's 53rd national elective conference in Mangaung in the Free State.

"These include factionalism, the sowing of disunity and confusion within the movement, the use of money to buy members, positions or influence in the organisation, the hurling of insults or even worse, the attacks on members of the ANC."

Zuma announced that Deputy President Kgalema Motlanthe, who failed in his bid to challenge the presidency at the conference, would head up a political education programme for the party.

"We must move away from saying how important political education is, to actually implementing the decisions.

"We will be able to deal with the comrades who disrupt ANC meetings and those who want the ANC to be now run on technicalities and through the courts."

He said he discussed the political education programme with the newly elected deputy president, Cyril Ramaphosa, and Motlanthe, the former deputy president of the party.

"We are pleased to announce that former [ANC] deputy president Motlanthe will lead this crucial ANC political education programme. We thank the former deputy president," said Zuma, to applause from delegates.

He said the ANC would be building "cadres who respect actions taken by the movement to enforce discipline against others, who know the implications of working with members who have been expelled from the organisation, assisting them to undermine the organisation.

"There must be consequences for such ANC members," said Zuma.

Working towards unity

Zuma referred back to the Polokwane conference when the ANC assumed that all members were in agreement with the outcome and that the party members would work for unity.

He said the process of collectively understanding the democratic principles and internal democracy that prevailed within the movement was not monitored.

“We must not repeat that mistake.”

Zuma said unity within the ANC would not happen automatically and its members would have to work hard for it.

Zuma reminded delegates ANC members had a right to be nominated for any position in the movement and to accept or decline nominations.

“Therefore, no member or leader of the ANC should be ostracised for exercising their democratic rights as members,” said Zuma.

The new year

Turning to the Leagues of the ANC, Zuma said they should implement the work and resolutions of the Mangaung conference, the final version of which was yet to be released.

"There are other very important outstanding organisational issues for us to look at in the new year.

"For example the conference has in its wisdom, taken a decision that the incoming NEC must discuss the matter of the ANC Youth League. We appreciate that decision and the spirit in which it was taken."

He congratulated the newly elected leadership of the ANC and thanked the outgoing leaders.

He also wished former president Nelson Mandela well, saying he was in good care as he spent a 13th day in hospital.

Zuma broke into song as he ended his closing address.

"It's a long walk, Mandela said to his followers. We will meet on freedom day," he sang.

Delegates in the marquee joined in as they waved ANC flags and blew whistles and danced.

They cheered as Zuma repeated the song, which he also sang when he opened the conference on Sunday.

  • makarapakaplan - 2012-12-20 22:12

    Sorry Juju, there is only space for Zuma!

      squeegee.pilot - 2012-12-20 22:15

      Two huge ANC problems: Tendencies and Tender-cies

      rowan.clark.10 - 2012-12-20 23:15

      A revolution is only 360 degrees and then you are back at the same point.Take note we are not moving forward so what is the problem? driving skills ,too many revolutionaries and not enough workers, at some point we all will be equal again and then the next one will start again.again again again .

      themba.thwala.775 - 2012-12-21 05:51

      You are doing a very good job destroying the ANC Showerhead.

      hugh.robinson.56 - 2012-12-21 06:48

      Am I the only one who understand what he says? He wants people that will not question nor complain. He wants Noddy's that will agree with everything and follow an instruction without blinking. Disagree and you will be disciplined. But then please feel free to use all the democracy within the ANC to voice your opinion. What a laugh.

      mariuskowie - 2012-12-21 07:22

      The Nazis also used "Political Re-Education"

      Ubabamkhulu - 2012-12-21 07:30

      From Bondage to Struggle From Struggle to Freedom From Freedom to Power From Power to Abuse From Abuse to Corruption From Corruption back to Bondage Believe it or not, the white man has gone the full circle (if you know the history) Now the Black man has made the full circle – history in writing When is our suffering in this beautiful land going to end?

      charlesbronson.bronson - 2012-12-21 07:46

      News24 is also removing my comments just by saying JZ is the most corrupted useless tax thief this country ever had and using the verb Bafoon!

      colin.dovey - 2012-12-21 08:18

      What sort of standard does he set when Agriculture Minister Tina Joemat-Pettersson is one his new NEC? She has not got a clue on how to do the job, and then Winnie Madikizela-Mandela who never goes to Parliament anyway, especially with some "ghosts of a past" soccer team emerging...sad

      jacovniek - 2012-12-21 08:41

      @ssmonareng: you know, that's how democracy dies... with cheering and the clapping of hands.

      godesha - 2012-12-21 10:08

      @ssmonareng. Wow, it souds like you had a really good time, listening to JZ's speech, clapping hands, singing and dancing. Good for you!! I wonder of the rest of the citizens are having such a good time at the moment.

      adrien.mcguire - 2012-12-21 10:19

      This basically means that if you don't agree with corruption, malpractice, ineptitude, poor leadership, wastage of money, absolute power, extra marital affairs, cadre deployment, insider trading, blue light convoys, no accountability, etc etc..... then there is no place for you in the ANC !

      Ohminus.SpaceThys - 2012-12-21 10:25

      ssmonareng, you half-wit!!!

      lucy.bush.9231 - 2012-12-21 15:56

      BEE se ma se P.....s

      heathway.master - 2012-12-21 17:41

      No more than re-arranging the the deck chairs on the Titanic.

      phuti.hlabane - 2012-12-21 18:02

      Realy I must bow for this dancing fool,his ancestors r too powerful 4 anybody,u can't win against this dancing president,he defeats intellectual men.eish I can't vote for ANC anymore .i'm joining DA really.

      Derek Edwards - 2014-01-08 21:01

      Shame poor Zuma now that Camp Quattro is closed he has nowhere to “deal” with dissidents. Well he will just have to take another couple hundred million R’s from the state coffers and build a torture basement under Nknadla where he can pour boiling water over dissident’s heads!!

  • terence.wessels - 2012-12-20 22:17

    Sounds good to me Zoomer. So if you stop clearing your throuth, adjusting your glasses with your Foff finger, and cut back on the singing and dancing and rascist and often violent songs like umshiniwam, and actually do all of this WITHOUT building yourself another 250 bar house, I might buy it. For now, um, no. Sorry.

      siviwef - 2012-12-20 23:02

      well said

  • don.mug.3 - 2012-12-20 22:22

    Pathetic,Is SA a new dictatorship?

      richard.payn.12 - 2012-12-21 06:32

      Bob Mugab....Sorry, Zuma is now behaving just like every other african leader.

  • bobo.jane.1 - 2012-12-20 22:33

    Sorry Zoomer ..What part of DEMOCRACY do you not understand...? You Mr Prezident are pushing for a civil war..Blood will be on your hands.Listen to the poor...We are gatvol !

      sandile.mbatha.528 - 2012-12-21 01:11

      3087 ANC delegates out of 4045 voted for him... What is your description of DEMOCRACY?

      rob.bayliss.94 - 2012-12-21 02:04

      sandile: A core value of democracy is that it does not tyranise minorities. Rather it allows dissenters to exist in such a manner that sustainable strengths are built out of diversity. Forcing people to follow central directives may create a sham unity, but it also breeds discontent. Therefore when majorities force unity on minoroties it is not democracy, but rather an enforced unitary state.

      Thebigguyjim - 2012-12-21 06:23

      @sandile 3087 corrupt ANC delegates whose job depends on JZ patronage voted for policies on behalf of 50,000,000 South Africans, is this what your understanding of democracy is. Shame.

      richard.payn.12 - 2012-12-21 06:34

      Sandile....... .01% of the voting public (can you work that out?) voted for this fool.

      gray.braatvedt - 2012-12-21 07:04

      @Sandile: The ANC by their own admission has less than 1.5 million members. That's less than 3% of the population. Of that, only 76% of the delegates voted for Zuma in a controversial conference (the exclusion of the Free State delegates for instance). So if we give the delegates the benefit of the doubt that they are bringing the mandate of their aaa to the conference, then at BEST, only 2.25% of the population voted in our president. Democracy? NOT!!!!!!!

      colin.dovey - 2012-12-21 08:11

      @sandile - in this case two words somehow spring to mind when defining the ANC's version of "Democracy" - demonic and crazy...oh and another one 'mockery'

      wo0two0t - 2012-12-21 15:36

      sandile - so it’s up to those delegates on how SAs future will be? Most of those delegates are the scum of this country yet we rely on them how crazy it that. Nice democracy. ANC version of democracy is to use all the hard working people’s money to buy votes and fill their pockets.

      Kenny Grass - 2013-04-14 20:00

      sandile.mbatha.528,How many of the 3087 voters got passed junior school?

  • mike.down.5492 - 2012-12-20 22:36

    "those who want the ANC to be now run on technicalities and through the courts." Very worrying statement showing a total fundamental lack of understanding and respect for a constitutional democracy.

      nic.nomicos.3 - 2012-12-20 23:25

      Also noticed it...very worrying...

  • nico.vandermerwe.54 - 2012-12-20 22:37

    Well, Zuma has the conch, a-la Lord of the Flies...

      tobydt - 2012-12-20 23:23

      Guess that makes malema, piggy.

  • cujimmy.okpall - 2012-12-20 22:38

    The Zulu nation grows and not just in Zumaville. Another wedding to come?

  • marc.schnehage - 2012-12-20 22:39

    Deal with dissadents is how its doen in dictatorships and 1-party states!

      piet.fourie.77 - 2012-12-20 23:08

      Done deal

  • tlou.andries.58 - 2012-12-20 22:42

    Start by removing urslf nd leave the office.

      Anthony - 2012-12-21 08:06

      in my opinion cyril is a very very cleaver man ---cant be dumb to be the richest man in sa ---i also think he will make an excelent president ----he is NOT CORRUPT NOR DOES HE HAVE CORUPTION HISTORY---[like zoomer] in my view the big push to get zoomer to jail will start in 2014...if this works we may see cyril as president a lot sooner ......please let this happen

  • john.rees.1656 - 2012-12-20 22:44

    Sounds like brain washing to me,do has I say not do as I do. He's getting like Mugabe everyday..

  • megalos.savvas - 2012-12-20 23:03

    For an uneducated man he uses very big words , do you think he knows what they mean

      nic.nomicos.3 - 2012-12-20 23:22

      Hehehe absolutely...

      zanokuthula.zulu - 2012-12-21 06:09

      Aah shame on you,english is just a langauge not a skill,you can talk till sweating but ubhibhidla nje!

      talana.malherbe - 2012-12-21 07:18

      Yes but to be the president and leading people of a country you should at least understand yourself what you are saying and Zoomer doesn't.

  • tobydt - 2012-12-20 23:22

    If the political education programme is anything like government schools...

  • piet.boerie - 2012-12-20 23:47

    Democracy cadre style, filled with yellow belly yes men all towing the line for a time at the trough. Big mistake guys as many younger and educated voters will trun their back on you. Yep you have to love yes men to lead the party down the wrong path. For me is the greatest concern is the poor. Who will represent them now as the ANC has got rid of a very good deputy who cared with Cyril "The Lonmim Assasin" Ramaphosa been business minded and well he gets rid of anyone posing a risk to his investments. Ask 34 dead miners. No nationalisation of cadre assets, sorry mines, more e-tolls, more ANC assinations of their own and the failure of SACP or Cosatu to actually have a set of balls to stand up to the corruption that is robbing our children of a brighter future.

      piet.boerie - 2012-12-20 23:55

      You see cadre, questioning the party is a good thing but this milatant cadre culture of no accountability leads to dictactorship which in turn leads to failure. Cadre culture does not work in a Democracy, as you kill your comptetition, it breeds comtempt, mediocrity, cronyism, corruption and well it makes Jacob Zuma. So if JZ could steal so much in such a short time imagine how it will bein the next 7 years. So thank-you cadres for your stupidity in handing the DA another 8% at the box, yep well done yes men. The only worry is now dictator Idi Zuma siezing power like thier sucessful hero north of the border. You know cadre the one that bankrupted his country so sucessfully half his people now steal your fellow country mens jobs. Cadre dumb ass yes men

      peter.mokoena.31 - 2012-12-21 05:23

      Realistic blacks will never vote for the yes man, won't vote for JZ slate in power now, won't vote for people who got votes from the township people but never improves the lives of the poor. I belive @piet.boerie has hit the nail on top.

      Thebigguyjim - 2012-12-21 06:37

      @Kagisobooi. The National minimum wages are set by the Dept of labour led buy the ANC labour minister, NOT THE DA IN THE WESTERN CAPE PROVINCIAL GOVERNMENT.

      Thebigguyjim - 2012-12-21 07:53

      @kagisobooi. The Shamocracy we have right now is the result of a DEALS made between the old NATS and the ANC at CODESSA in smoke filled back rooms both protecting their narrow interests. Look around you at the corruption and realize YOU or Me can not vote any politician OUT of power, The Political Party (ANC) Redeploys them to a new lucrative position. The time for real democracy has come. Let us limit the power all politicians give themselves.

      nettie.potgieter.5 - 2012-12-21 08:07

      Kagiso go get the facts strait. The news papers and Kotsato are feeding you fals information about payments. They spread disinformation to create hate against the DA and farmers. Have you ever think about the fact that all the strikes that happend was only at DA towns. Do jou realy belive famers in Limpopo are paying their workers more than in WC. If you do you are libing in Lala land.

      truthor.dare.54 - 2012-12-21 08:46

      To those giving Kagiso a thumbs down on his comments about the minimum wage: Put politics aside. Firstly I don't think the DA has said that they agree with farmworkers being paid R65 a day, however do you really think that someone running a farm should get away with paying people R65 a day? Have you thought how much that is? Next time you shop at your local Woolies and fork out R80 for a ready meal, think about it again. That R65 is peanuts. Someone has to support a family off that? I don't agree with having a minimum wage because it kills competition, but that shouldn't stop people for being made to account for taking advantage of the situation of their workers. Every farm is a business and should be made to publish results like every other business. Then we would see the profit/losses made and understand whether the rates being paid on a particular farm are fair.

      alan.jerrold - 2012-12-21 11:43

      @kagiso - if you think that the ANC are going to get 70% in 2014 because of farm workers' votes, you are smoking your socks. They will be lucky - very lucky - to even get 60% next time around. There are more and more intelligent Black folk seeing the ANC for what it truly is - a kind of closed-circle of cronies who use the public coffers for their own selfish interests, thereby robbing the poor daily. They also deliver rotten or no service, and have destroyed Black education. People like Moeletsi Mbeki, Bishop Tutu, Dr Mamphela Ramphele, Reuel Khoza, Lindiwe Mazibuko, Prof Jonathan Jansen and others are all speaking out more and more about the corrupt, inefficient ANC. The ANC cannot keep the mass of uneducated voters deluded for much longer. They will see excellent governance in non-ANC-controlled areas and want the same for themselves. And the ONLY way to get it - as proven by 19 years of ANC history - is to vote the ANC out.

      nic.nomicos.3 - 2012-12-22 09:40

      @Kagiso...get ready...steady...light-up !

  • raulcharliebravo - 2012-12-20 23:52

    Nelson Mandela dream has died the day the kleptocrats took over power. Will South Africa survive these multitude of thieves and corrupt leaders?

      nhlanhla.mncwabe.1 - 2012-12-21 08:50

      What dream are u on about, Mandela has never done anything individually in this country. Its the ANC's dream since everything he did was a mandate from the party. So never use Mandela to critisize the ANC. Mandela is a member of the ANC and he will die a member.

      nic.nomicos.3 - 2012-12-22 09:29 by your own admission what Turtlehead is now doing is mandated by the party?...nice one...

  • nico.brits.581 - 2012-12-20 23:57

    Political education or is it re-education? I wonder where are they going to camp to do this education? Oh yeah, Camp Quattro can be renovated!

      john.rees.1656 - 2012-12-21 00:05

      next door in zim

  • theMichaelHawthorne - 2012-12-21 00:01

    So spending R200 mil on your private property is legal?

  • john.rees.1656 - 2012-12-21 00:04

    Time to put your money in a offshore account, just in case.

  • Erna - 2012-12-21 00:15

    And that's why all the zuma comrades were elected, so that they could all protect each other in their wicked ways.

  • sally.lewitt - 2012-12-21 02:01

    I'm truly saddened.. When will this madness END..? Why not focus MAINLY on educating the uneducated, skills development, entrepreneurship, technical training and a healthy understanding of the constitution as a subject {minus ANY propaganda} etc, thus replenishing the 'brain drain' of hundreds of thousands skilled people who have left SA. The youth ARE the future of SA and Government should integrate them into well organised, respectful society OR is it to late for that..? My heart bleeds for our youth and repulsed by the greed and power struggles that have enveloped SA..

      B.b. - 2012-12-21 02:52

      Remember Zuma is touching on the internal matters of the ANC. The top 6

      peter.mokoena.31 - 2012-12-21 05:14

      Its gonna be a downward spiral again till 2019. By then an average youth would have lost an educational as well as employable opportunities, they should not blame private sector for high rate of unemployment..

  • lskosana3 - 2012-12-21 03:36

    Wow apartheid and race wasn't mentioned, shocking!

      moko.brian - 2012-12-21 07:54

      You would still be complaining if he had mentioned apartheid and race. In my opinion, your are the racist and the opressor. Shame on you. We are trying to unify this country and here you are saying it is shocking that he didnt mention race and apartheid. Sick

  • dennis.vermaak.5 - 2012-12-21 04:00

    I know this man is vicious and takes no crap BUT JACOB, RUN THE COUNTRY NOT RULE THE ROOST PLEASE !!!

  • Prince Kgwale - 2012-12-21 04:56

    If ANC will win next elections it'll be with normal victory. Finally ppl will voice out their feelings abt Zuma via 2014 votes... I thought ANC delegates r wise,but nope i just saw mor@nish voting. Your day will finally cum Jacobus! Your f@@lishness will catch up with u and your puppets! Downfall of ANC is advancing

  • thembinkosi.jozie - 2012-12-21 04:59

    Why should Motlanthe lead the political education programme? The cadres beleave in Zuma.They beleave in corruption and looting of public funds.So Zuma can teach them how to avoid going to jail.Memezi and Zuma r experts in that not Motlanthe

      talana.malherbe - 2012-12-21 07:12

      Absolutely, just goes to show that the ANC executive committee endorces the spending for personal gain by JZ. If they even cared about the people suffering they would've taken this corrupt man out of the leadership.

  • peter.mokoena.31 - 2012-12-21 05:04

    Perhaps its about time to consider voting other parties as well, what is the point of cheering for a sinking Titanic, when the crew has no clue.

  • mpho.tsoenyane - 2012-12-21 05:06

    Mr Zooomer y dnt u start by rooting out cadre deployment, cause seriously it is not doing us any good. As for dealing with fractionalsim n dissident don't u think u a now dictating?

      talana.malherbe - 2012-12-21 07:09

      Amen to that Mpho!

      nic.nomicos.3 - 2012-12-22 09:20

      I second....

  • mart.botha - 2012-12-21 05:21

    More 'very idle' threats from ANC 'pretenders'. If I had a rand for every 'promise' they made to each one of their members, and didn't deliver on, I would be able to single handedly alleviate poverty. They do not know HOW, but have become experts at posturing !

      talana.malherbe - 2012-12-21 07:07

      Very true Mantlekilo, idle threats to anyone who dare speak up against corruption.

  • Theuns Jacobs - 2012-12-21 05:43

    but of course they will vote for him...never bite the hand that feeds you...even a village idiot knows that.!!

  • jerome.appollis.1 - 2012-12-21 05:46

    Enough reporting on showerhead till 2013 please!!!! I still want to enjoy the festive mode

  • Theuns Jacobs - 2012-12-21 05:53

    but of course his cronies will vote for him..never bite the hand that feeds you..even a village idiot knows that..!!

  • Antipoaching - 2012-12-21 06:05

    very nice JZ, very Mugabe... Please don't ever allow ANC members to have any view contrary to the Party line, I'm thats just not democratic, is it?

  • robin.stobbs.9 - 2012-12-21 06:10

    That's right, Showerhead, take up court time with your frivolous party politics. SA needs a LEADER, not a singing, dancing circus bear,

  • mogale.tshidi - 2012-12-21 06:16

    VIVA African National Corruption

  • mathata.fela.7 - 2012-12-21 06:48

    sMonareng, only people with a very low level of intelligence would have done that...the ANC supporter in a nut shell leaving the rest of us in a nut hell.

  • bill.mckimm.9 - 2012-12-21 06:49

    My God JZ has it all. We're now in the realm of kiss butt or kiss off with one of the most economically ignorant Presidents that any country could have. Thyril what have you let yourself in for??? Then we have the boy band syndrome JZ and his old boy will dominate this country's embarrisment for the next five years. Now we have a future of black Nazism. How mujch can one country take. Oh, forgot; we have a long way to go to get toJZ's role model Robert Magabe.

  • nbnmbfcr - 2012-12-21 06:50

    Slate democracy in the ANC, all the candidates who ran against pro Zuma people for the top 6 positions are not in the NEC. Paul Mashatile, Fikile Mbalula, Mathews Phosa and Tokyo Sexwale. Going against Zuma is a career suicide. its time to vote for another party.

      katleho.photolo - 2012-12-21 07:24

      I'm sure U ar white neh, U fool

      Jimmy NZ - 2012-12-21 07:45

      I see you are stupid, blind and basically retarded buddy! Should I point out the other very obvious character flaw?

      nic.nomicos.3 - 2012-12-22 09:15

      Racist....Katleho take a look at the thumbs down....

  • niki.wessels - 2012-12-21 07:18

    The poephol has spoken. The people are advised not to.

  • talana.malherbe - 2012-12-21 07:22

    So in plain English: don't dare challenge the corruption committed by any ANC member in court! Very democratic! Very hard times ahead indeed!

  • will.glibbery - 2012-12-21 07:24

    God forbid that the differences inside the party for shaping consensus should be allowed to determine its direction? Good old fashioned autocracy, now with added fear. Waiting for more Rwanda style cockroach references. Dicktator! Yes, I'm aware of the spelling.

  • Ubabamkhulu - 2012-12-21 07:31

    From Bondage to Struggle From Struggle to Freedom From Freedom to Power From Power to Abuse From Abuse to Corruption From Corruption back to Bondage Believe it or not, the white man has gone the full circle (if you know the history) Now the Black man has made the full circle – history in writing When is our suffering in this beautiful land going to end?

      nic.nomicos.3 - 2012-12-22 09:11

      When the masses open their eyes.....

  • ian.robertreid - 2012-12-21 07:35

    We have the ANC in power that won,t change~ cowboys don,t cry especially in front of their horses? be happy the sun is shining?

      Jimmy NZ - 2012-12-21 07:42

      Where did you find the weed bro?

      nic.nomicos.3 - 2012-12-22 09:08

      Under the magic mushrooms ?.....

  • rupert.beukes.1 - 2012-12-21 07:49

    in plain english ..... those who did not vote for Zum-Zum goes Ta-Ta...basic Africa style Bananna politics

  • allan.rosenberg.752 - 2012-12-21 07:54

    First it was JM who created disinvestment having lost trillions of rands from potentially coming into our country by wanting to nationalize the mines. Now we have JZ threatening to educate all who don't agree with ANC policies. Rwanda here we come. This might be the final nail. Not the end of the world but definately the end of our beautiful country SA

  • musa.kamashobane - 2012-12-21 08:00

    Dissidents are those that questions, criticise and express a different thinking. Jackson said it yesterday that who is ANCYL to question Zuma on the Nkandla bunker. How sweet of ANC preaching "democracy",shooo!

  • ayub.sayed.750 - 2012-12-21 08:02

    If all of you are so angry at the outcome of the democratic process of the ANC then why dont you join them and then change the way they are practising democracy.......or you can try to understand the proces and then figure out how the 4000 delegates represent the 1,2 million members.

  • tobela.maki - 2012-12-21 08:02

    Funny inaf,u dnt mention those dat r corrupt,am nt suprised though cz u 1 of dem...

  • FeebleGastro - 2012-12-21 08:06

    Just another failed African banana republic. Just like some of us have been saying all the time.

  • Mathabo Maphosa - 2012-12-21 08:16

    You not cleaver@ all cos your a mastermind of theft and corruption, shut the hell up

  • KCorsar - 2012-12-21 08:18

    Not to factionalism, yet his entire NEC is a virtual faction in its own right. A quasi dictatorship in the making here, giving his detractors from within little to no room to move, as he tightens his stranglehold over the ANC movement. This doesnt bode well for ANC or country in the long term, but the sleep deprived cadres havent seen through this yet!

  • elspeth.hassall - 2012-12-21 08:19

    Blah, blah, blah...................

  • craig.hopkins.376 - 2012-12-21 08:28

    As long as we can still call you a pratt