Zuma's 'African way' remarks spark concern

2012-11-03 08:05

Johannesburg - The Centre for Constitutional Rights expressed concern over President Jacob Zuma's reported comments that the justice system was "the white man's way" for solving "African problems".

"The Constitution - and justice system established by the Constitution -is not 'the white man's way'," advocate Johan Kruger said in a statement on Friday.

"The Constitution was freely adopted, as the supreme law in South Africa, by all our people in the Constituent Assembly. Moreover, the justice system is not only subject to the Constitution, but is mandated to uphold the values, rights and principles enshrined in the Constitution."

Kruger said those values and rights included, among others, equality before the law, access to justice, the right to legal representation and the right not to be punished in a cruel, degrading or inhuman manner.

Zuma told traditional leaders that Africans had their own way of solving their problems through traditional institutions, it was reported on Friday.

"Let us solve African problems the African way, not the white man's way," Zuma was quoted saying at the opening of National House of Traditional Leaders in Parliament on Thursday, The Times reported.


"Let us not be influenced by other cultures and try to think the lawyers are going to help us. We have never changed facts. They tell you they are going to change facts. They will never tell you that these cold facts have warm bodies," he said.

Kruger said the Constitution, in terms of section 211, respected the institution, status and role of traditional leadership according to customary law.

Similarly, the Constitution determined that customary law must be applied by the courts whenever such law is applicable.

"However, the Constitution, in no uncertain terms, determines that these institutions and customary laws remain subject to the Constitution as supreme law in South Africa," Kruger said.

"President Zuma's remarks regarding the justice system raise particular concern since he is sworn to uphold, defend and respect the Constitution and the justice system established in terms of the Constitution."

Meanwhile, Zuma's spokesperson Mac Maharaj said the media had misrepresented Zuma's remarks.

Parliamentary process

"Media reports on President Zuma's speech... [have] been sensationalised by some newspapers to the point of being grossly misleading," Maharaj said.

"[They] indicate that the president has wholeheartedly supported the bill, and has deliberately left out his acknowledgements of [its] shortcomings... which have to be addressed."

The newspaper reported that Zuma's comments could be viewed as an endorsement of the Traditional Courts Bill, which is currently under consideration in Parliament.

In his statement, Maharaj quoted extracts from the speech, in which Zuma acknowledged the bill "has been criticised for being flawed for a number of reasons".

Further, Zuma had said that all the concerns raised were being addressed as part of an on-going parliamentary process.

Maharaj said the bill clearly needed further work, and everybody had acknowledged that fact.

Millions affected

"It is unfortunate that the information was excluded from reports in order to convey a particular view and stereotype," he said.

"In the interest of fairness, we believe that the affected media should carry the adequate and proper correction."

The bill was first submitted in 2008. Its opponents say it empowers chiefs to act as judge, prosecutor, and mediator, with no legal representation and no appeals allowed.

The Times reported that if enacted, it will affect about 19 million rural people who live on tribal lands ruled by chiefs.

  • asdhasgd - 2012-11-03 08:11

    Zuma is officially the worst president South Africa has ever had. I would even accept Mbeki back at this point. honest to the lord.

      Shaun - 2012-11-03 08:18

      i got an idea,why dont people that want to be tribal get given half the country and the other half goes to people that want to live part of a global economy,doesnt that make sense?wont everybody b happy?

      asdhasgd - 2012-11-03 08:22

      That's great but then they'll declare it "racist" or "right wing" or "counter revolutionary" if their people aren't given access to world services like plumbling and internet. But wait, the poor already dont get that so yeah lets just split SA into tribal and common sense.

      freddie.l.roux - 2012-11-03 08:30

      Always blaming the media, apartheid and whites. Nothing new I'm afraid.

      Shaun - 2012-11-03 08:31

      thats why the tribal side must implement it.then it wont be "racism" but "revolutionary".and i wont feel opressed or victimised,i would thank them that they giving me a better life.heck i would even pay them to say thanks.

      sipho.zipi - 2012-11-03 08:36

      @opinionator- too late the damage has already been done. the worst is yet to come.

      mc.segal.5 - 2012-11-03 08:41

      And the services of Mercedes Benz also the white way???

      sekalf.nroc - 2012-11-03 08:53

      Zuma, rather hunt with your spear and leave politics to those who understand it. After Mugabe the biggest joke on the content

      paddy.carolan.35 - 2012-11-03 09:00

      Apart from being the worst president we have ever had, he is working very hard at becoming the worst that Africa has ever had. His lack of "white man's" education is starting to show big time. He is very selective about which of the "white man's" ways he choses to use. Nothing wrong with out aircraft, cars, clothing, houses, underground bunkers, lifts, alcohol, etc. Bloody hypocrite.

      joemarshe.push - 2012-11-03 09:01

      Zuma and his advisors should step down. Do they actually sit down and discuss their stupid decisions?

      tony.ezendam - 2012-11-03 09:21

      @ andre.rabie. Close my friend,but no cigar. England was a Kingdom, run by a king, Germany an Empire run by an Empror. We live in a country.

      charlesbronson.bronson - 2012-11-03 09:34

      Wake-up corrupted useless shower head. Your country is losing millions daily because of you. Get a education FAST!

      Darryn - 2012-11-03 09:43

      They just don't get it.......

      keith.f.murphy - 2012-11-03 09:46

      Maraj is an idian who is corrupt like his boss zooma both must be removed and charged for high treason the brainless cronies they are a disgrace to our country, never in history around the world have you seen such so called leader in government

      Darryn - 2012-11-03 09:53

      LOL - we all know what the african way means.... donkeys and cows in the streets, children with Rayban's and AK's, potholes in the main road, corpses on the sidewalk, UN vehicles and cargo planes dropping food aid......

      fred.murgatroyd - 2012-11-03 10:40

      I'm sure Zuma would prefer to sort out his and his cronies corruption "the African way" because that way ensures that leaders are expected to milk the country dry and face no repercussions. The only part of the African way that I can uphold is the way that Shaka's brother sorted him out.

      lsfreak - 2012-11-03 13:09

      We misunderstood him people. Most of us do... We need to treat this guy like a child, those this kids will understand, If you talk to a primary school child they on up with the funniest things. Since the Pres only has Primary school we should fill in the gaps :D

      louis.olivier.988 - 2012-11-03 15:09

      Zuma please explain the african way, now let me guess, is it bribery, corruption, murder, pillage & plunder or is it exchanging one or two wives for a night or two. Or is it just plain theft, or just blame Verwoerd, the whites and apartheid... that is the african way. You and your lot couldn’t organize a piss up in a brewery; you'd steal the beers first and blame the whites - 2012-11-03 15:43

      It would have been nice to have the whole speech publicised (like it's done when Zille says something), but then again we know the intentions behind this.

      boeretroos.redakteur - 2012-11-03 16:34

      African way is the way of conceit and stupidety - vote for FW de Klerk to become president again - he will give away the land to the USA this time maybe, then there will be a better government ?

      frederik.vanas - 2012-11-03 16:54

      the African way: steal as much as you can as quick as you can...... more or less the mission statement of the ANC.....

      KennySven - 2012-11-03 19:42

      Don't worry he won't be around for long,sooner or later he will forget to take a shower and his pills,uncle aids will get him.

      alexander.sudheim - 2012-11-03 20:04

      what a hypocrite. why then does Zuma have lawyers that cost the taxpayer millions to prevent access to the tapes that prove unequivocally what a lying sack of s**t he is?

      frederik.vanas - 2012-11-03 20:37

      zoomie, take of that white mans suit you got on!!! or maybe not....everyone has seen the zuma spear!!!

      keith.f.murphy - 2012-11-04 11:41

      I will have to contact Mr.Bones and hear which way the wind will blow in S.A as the Gods wents crazy as they let the dogs out

      alf.pop - 2012-11-04 14:37

      His stupid remarks prove beyond any doubt that he is a member of the surviving brain donor club! That's what happens when all your thinking takes place below the belt!

      themba.maseko.568 - 2012-11-04 17:26

      opinionator, do you mean he his worst off than apartheid presidents who openly endoursed oppression of black people in this country?

      Maxodin - 2012-11-05 00:30

      @ Themba I don't see a problem with that at all. Fine we can all live the African way. Just remember that most of Africa don't drive c class Mercedes they drive 1980s mercs. Wake up bra. The African way is one of bribes murder theft and the rich and powerful getting more rich and powerful at the expense of the poor.

      nobuhle.mhlamvu - 2012-11-05 07:56

      I agree with, atleast Mbeki shut his mouth most of the time. We knew literally nothing about him.

  • Gert van Coller - 2012-11-03 08:11

    Proof, once again, that he just doesn't get it

      george.slade.161 - 2012-11-03 08:52

      Gert : Unfortunately WE dont get it . Nothing will prevent these useless Cadres Dismantling this Country .It matters not what we do or say : RSA Is Doomed --get Prepared.

      ReneMuller.XOXO - 2012-11-03 09:01

      Dumb, dumber, Zuma!! Nothing that comes out of his mouth, can surprise me anymore! He is beyond help - he should just retire and keep his 300 wives happy!

      jeff.summers.16100 - 2012-11-03 09:03

      This just helps Lekota’s impeachment case

      tshifhiwa.vandermunalisi - 2012-11-03 09:22

      President with no formal education.

      ReneMuller.XOXO - 2012-11-03 10:02

      @darryn, we can only 'dream' - that unfortunately my friend will never happen! (and no vaseline this time - lol)

      Darryn - 2012-11-03 10:13

      ReneMuller.XOXO - LOL - yeah you are right. Africans did not have vaseline so he can go in without lube! Much better the african way.

      hugh.robinson.56 - 2012-11-04 08:25

      Let us not forget that the ANC were quick to point out that SA should be united under one law. That separate laws were discriminatory and an act of apartheid. Recall brouhaha when this was done. Now in truth we see these powers and more given back.Is this an admission that the Afrikaner understanding of African ways was not so bad after all?

  • herman.mouton - 2012-11-03 08:12

    hmmm....bad to worse by the day....

  • megala.arxithia - 2012-11-03 08:13

    Yikes!!! God help this country and its heading firmly down the road to another failed Africa dictatorship. Everybody has to be concerned when the president of a country questions the constitution and uses the race card to justify doing away with it. The ANC has no wish for democracy to flourish and its in the best interest of Zuma and his sidekicks to do away with the constitution and rights to freedom so they can pursue their blatant mismanagement of the country's resources. This country has no hope in hell of ever being a success under ANC leadership and it will plod along until either the ANC is replaced with an efficient government or if all hell breaks loose and there is mayhem and bloodshed. SA is in serious trouble politically and socially and something has to be soon to stop the rot starting from Zuma down!!

      Chris - 2012-11-03 08:40

      it is a failed african states , have a look at the stats , the balance of payments , corruption , people of out of work , lack of productivity , no and very poor education, the list is endless

      henk63 - 2012-11-03 09:24

      We need to get it into our heads. They don't want democracy, that was only a tool they used to get rid of a working government. They blinded the whole world with fake horror stories about the "evil apartheid system", and now it is too late to turn back. The liberals are looking on with wide-eyed shock at every moronic decision these vile creatures make, but we must get into our heads that it is TOO LATE.

  • goeie.jaarling - 2012-11-03 08:14

    So we will have two sets of laws, one for the rural people and one for the non-rural people. Now, what will happen if a rural person steals something from me a non-rural person?

      henk63 - 2012-11-03 09:27

      My concern is that they will allow their their bloodlust reign supreme. In their culture you can kill freely at the slightest affront, and how easy is it for them to feel "affronted"? Anything is good enough to kill - R10,00, a cell phone, pay dispute, certain words etc. We are in for a rough ride.

      jon.jones.90663894 - 2012-11-03 20:29

      goeie.jaarling It's like this. A rural cannot steal from a non-rural. If a rural sees something that he wants then it is his by right. And it is the fault of the productive people for creating and owning things because if they did not make and own things then the rural would not see these things and would not want to take these things. So the productive people are not taking into account the feelings of the non productives and their goods must be 'reassigned' to the non productives by way of compensation for awakening these strange and terrible feelings of inferiority and inequality. Killing a productive will be labeled freedom of expression. Rape will be labelled 'tribute'. And then bobs-your-uncle all of these so called inconsistencies between rural and non-rural 'law' will be resolved and we can all live ( or die mostly ) happily ever after.

  • badladballie - 2012-11-03 08:14

    What a perfect example of a terrible president.

  • renny.meere - 2012-11-03 08:15

    If you vote for this idiot again then you are, Im afraid to say an idiot as well. Zuma you are the downfall of you own demise.

      charlesbronson.bronson - 2012-11-03 10:02

      cANCer supporters are all bafoons. Thief's in one kraal!

  • herman.kramer.988 - 2012-11-03 08:18

    This man is so Clueless! Please get him out!

      marina.poniatowska - 2012-11-03 08:35

      And what's the alternative? Juju's new best buddy Motlhanthe?

      herman.kramer.988 - 2012-11-03 09:05

      There is only one other party that might stand a chance, they surely can't be worse than the ANC. SA is the one of the greatest Countries in the World, and all South African's need to keep it that way. Therefore we must not vote for a Government because they are 'Black or White' we must must vote for a Government because they can Lead!

      megala.arxithia - 2012-11-03 09:22

      South Africa WAS one of the greatest countries of the its a rogue nation supporting communists and dictators internationally. SA is a downward spiral to nowhere and no one where rock bottom is!!!!

  • steve.gibson.146612 - 2012-11-03 08:18

    Z would love to have a tribal chief under his influence making decisions regarding his government's corruption and other illegal activities. The African way via the AU has yet to come up with any definitive decision or sanction in any of the trouble spots in Africa where innocent people are losing their lives daily through murder wars and genocide.

  • barend.steyn.9 - 2012-11-03 08:19

    JZ shows himself everyday to be completely incompetent and is taking South Africa back into the dark ages. What a mess the ANC is in.

      Samuel - 2012-11-03 08:39

      Barend, I wish u cud cum to my township and hold some workshop on how we can tell people that anc is fooling them, I was one of the people who thought that anc will deliver but no, come 2014 I m not gona vote them again. My friends are already telling me that I m coconut coz I told them that this time I m giving DA my vote and yet they using bucket system to defeacate, u c how ignorant our people. I think education is key in this sense. I am graduate in agriculture(so called scarce skills) but unemployed.

      larry.piggott1 - 2012-11-03 08:42

      He is a Joke, an utter clown with the Brain of an African Potato.

      fedupandsad - 2012-11-03 08:50

      @Samual: Sadly Samual anything a white says against the ANC will be dismissed as racist, hatred, nonsense etc. My heart bleeds for you. We had all hoped for a better government after apartheid, but ended up being fed to the lions of greed.

      herman.kramer.988 - 2012-11-03 09:10

      @ Samuel, Thank You! Someone who has opened their eyes! Now lets show others the way forward!

      frank.vankaapstad - 2012-11-03 09:28

      @samuel - I also wish I could come to your township and tell people this! And I respect you for telling friends that you will vote DA, I'm sure that is difficult to do. I can honestly tell you that I don't care what race, gender, religion or sexuality the president and ruling party of this country is, as long as they are competent and just. That is all. Sadly the ANC has proved that they are not and it is time for change. You can only listen to empty promises for so many years. And if voters actually knew how much money is being stolen or siphoned off due to corruption and tender processes there would be riots. Yet somehow, in spite of plenty of evidence of it, people believe the leaders when they say they aren't guilty. My one wish for the DA is that during the next four years they develop a group of dynamic black leaders within their ranks so that come 2019 they will not appear to be the "white" party that unfortunately to the majority of this country they still appear to be.

      steve.gibson.146612 - 2012-11-03 09:46

      @ Frank- And there are a great number of educated, dynamic, forward thinking and honest black leaders available. I worked with many of them.

      colin.dovey - 2012-11-03 09:55

      @Samuel - you are such a shining star! - I have the unique privilege of working in an Entrepreneurial Incubator, and the Black people there are a JOY to work with - they ALL have access to the Internet, and are running their own businesses. We don't talk politics, but one of the candidates is a lady engineer - and she displays nothing but disdain about the very poor leadership Zuma (and the rest of the ANC) are displaying. In preparing for taking out the ANC in 2014, people should start organising, and finding out about who the local black DA folk are, and SUPPORT them in their efforts in the townships. People like: Bonginkosi Madikizela, Musi Maimane, Khume Ramulifho, Patricia Mokgohlwa, Veliswa Mvenya, Jane Moloisi-Sithole, James Masango.............. The list of BLACK DA supporters gets longer every day - talk to people on the buses and trains, and you will find out the REAL thinking on the ground!

      jacqui.daanevanrensburg - 2012-11-03 13:13

      Samuel. the people in your township will, sooner, or later stop listening to the lies and their eyes will open and they will see what their government is doing to them. Don't forget very few know how they are being misled. But you have seen the light and others will follow. Let them call you a coconut at least you aren't a sheep. So good on you.

      hugh.robinson.56 - 2012-11-04 08:34

      The problem is that no opposition party if voted into power will be able to right the entrenched system. Another is that people will expect to have instant results but it will take years to sort out the wheat from the chafe. The deal with the free money and waste. Deal with the gimme I want mentality. Before any change happens we will either have a revolution or coupe.

  • bertus.pretorius.1 - 2012-11-03 08:19

    Because the white man's way is keeping our prisons packed beyond capacity? How is rape,robbery and murder solved the African way? Or, is it under the white man's system that your every possible corrupt move is exposed,mr President? I suppose being chief of the nation entitles you to build a kraal for yourself and very extended family.

  • Mzondi Wakwa Maqina - 2012-11-03 08:20

    The way this Zuma is going on I foresee a bleak future for this country. Our country is going down the drains of Inkandla. Vote for these clowns at your own risk!

      Samuel - 2012-11-03 08:30

      Mzondi, its time u, myself and the most part, to go and vote in 2014 so that we can end these circuses prevailing now,we shud not be afraid of change otherwise we doing it for our childrens future.

      fumanekile.ralane - 2012-11-03 08:36

      Mzondi if u can't beat them join them !

      sharon.ackerman.77 - 2012-11-03 08:40

      What I don't understand is how Mzondi can see this and the other millions of black people out there cannot. Or maybe I am just to blond.

      VWhitepaw - 2012-11-03 08:53

      Because the millions of people out there only votes what they are told. And the other millions vote for the again promises. For better or worse. Worse if this continue. And this would be roses compared to if Melama get his way/into the presidency. Something that millions are calling for.

  • Samuel - 2012-11-03 08:22

    I m not surprised that he said it. The guy is dumb and yet he is nominated to be president again, I also want to be president of the country!

      renny.meere - 2012-11-03 08:30

      Sorry Samuel, based on your comments you are already far too intelligent to be considered for presidency.

      mc.segal.5 - 2012-11-03 08:43

      Like renny says Youre not stupid enough..

  • muke.matshaba - 2012-11-03 08:27

    One cant expect such words from a president,was it in a prepared speech?

      mc.segal.5 - 2012-11-03 08:44

      They are all prepared Thats why he cannot tackle Zille in a debate......

  • Gatvol Griet - 2012-11-03 08:28

    Good point there! Does Zuma see the Constitution and in fact the whole process of democratic rule as 'white man's rule'? This man's CONSTANT ARROGANCE AND RACIAL REMARKS MAKE HiM TRULY UNFIT TO GOVERN! EXCLUSIVE, BLACK ONLY, is a THREAT TO WHITE, COLOURED, INDIAN, CHINESE, etc who ALSO ARE citizens here. Mi

  • debduplessis - 2012-11-03 08:28

    Zuma will never get it.... he just never made it out primary school and his comments prove it... I would welcome Mbeki back any day, Mbeki can construct an argument & make policy decisions well

      Samuel - 2012-11-03 08:32

      I thought I was the only one seeing this! Mbeki musyt come back.

  • heinrich.coetzee2 - 2012-11-03 08:28

    Showering to cure aids must then also be the "African Way".??

      rocky.bell.927 - 2012-11-03 09:00

      fumanekile. Just HOW can Heinrich be a racist. Dumb zooooooooooomer was the village idiot who declared that a quick shower will cure you from aids infection. Get a life my friend facts ARE facts eish.....

      DuToitCoetzee - 2012-11-03 10:22

      heinrich, Do not make a mistake to think other Africans think like that. I think you mend that seeing out of Zuma's view, but your wording can confuse some black people thinking that you say it is their way. So people, I think this guy mend that because Zuma was referring to the Africa way his shower idea can than also be seen that he believes that it is the African way. So indirectly Zuma is insulting the Africans. I will not be surprise if most of the black Africans on this site is much more intelligent than he is.

  • jaysonpaul.beckwith - 2012-11-03 08:29

    I so wish that this nincompoop reads the articles posted on this site. Then he can actually see what people really think of him. Then again, I don't think he can read.

      steve.gibson.146612 - 2012-11-03 08:37

      And then Mac can say we are clearly misrepresenting Zuma!!!!By the way does anyone EVER believe Mac?????

      gerrit.vanpletzen - 2012-11-03 09:55

      Somebody reads it to him, but with a little spin on it, somewhat like the "Emperors Clothes" fable.

  • Montagnes.Bleues - 2012-11-03 08:30


      debduplessis - 2012-11-03 08:58

      and let the people of South Africa bring 51,000,000 charges of financial abuse charges against him! ..... he has stolen from all our pockets, brought financial stress to every household & none of us can cope with all the extra Gov charges just so that he can have a private town & a private nation he calls his family - all charges are covered under the Domestic Violence Act, we all should get protection orders from this abuser and let him never set foot in RSA again in shame!

  • brandon.faber.908 - 2012-11-03 08:32

    Yes, the African way has proven itself time and again as a sensible and trusted methodology. Jackass.

  • hengu.willemse - 2012-11-03 08:32

    solving justice problems the 'african way' requires a can of petrol, a tire and a sham-bock, prepare for petrol price hikes as you're going to be subsidizing this with your western money.

  • Jakkals Venter - 2012-11-03 08:35

    Ok lets solve all the problems the african way,123 start killing each other!!DRC here we come.

  • tc.convulvulous - 2012-11-03 08:36

    SA is going the Zimbabwe route. Is there still any thinking person that denies that SA under the damn ANC is going the same way as Zimbabwe? If there is such a person, let that person listen to the idiotic utterances of this president, Jacob Zuma! God, help this country.

  • gert.swart.393 - 2012-11-03 08:37

    So, Mandela wasted his time in fighting for and building a democracy? What is african way in any case? I hope he don't think it is the KZN-ANC way.

  • douglas.reid.921 - 2012-11-03 08:40

    What is interesting is that we don't have the death penalty but in townships and rural areas its easy to get killed by an angry mob if you do something they don't like and nothing will happen about it. We see cases in courts for five years going nowhere at the taxpayers expense only to be thrown out. In townships and rural areas justice is immediate. Maybe the african way has merits? Our big hotel inmates eat the money the poor could use to better their lives. Maybe the African justice system is what Africans understand and with it there would be less crime?

  • Zain Jobe - 2012-11-03 08:41

    idiot idiot idiot.....and everyone voting for the ANC idiots....what do you want from SA a better place to live....only you the citizen can change not voting for ANC. We need change now for the sake of our children.

      mbasa.makubalo.7 - 2012-11-03 08:45

      Its is very easy for an idiot to see another idiot.

      louis.hager.12 - 2012-11-03 09:03

      Careful Zane, the Cliché-Kid struck again. Takes an idiot to see an idiot... Wow that's so original.

      gerald.parker.3956 - 2012-11-03 09:06

      Mbasa I see that you put your IQ behind your name

      steve.gibson.146612 - 2012-11-03 09:26

      Some idiots stand out more in the crowd. I see you Mbasa!!!

  • robert.reeve.7564 - 2012-11-03 08:42

    Perhaps Jacob prefers his own Bulawayo where the slayers break bones, impale and yes let's not forget the good old kangaroo court and necklace!! Yet another accolade to that good ol' Zulu boy...

  • fedupandsad - 2012-11-03 08:43

    Fascinating that the article 'Zuma: Solve problems the African way' was closed for comments after only 39 were made.

  • amy.rencken - 2012-11-03 08:43

    Another manipulative attempt of getting his own way and missing the repercussions. By following such a "man" we are truly only dis-empowering ourselves. This only re-perpetrates and maintains racism and he should be taken off.

  • facts.peter - 2012-11-03 08:45

    The end is now very near. This is all the uneducated masses wants to hear. Zuma is doing exactly the same as what Mugabe did. We are in big trouble. That is why he is building that massive shelter. Unfortunately the end result of SA will be worse than Zimbabwe because of the Xhosa and Zulu cultural differences. I don't think anybody can stop this anymore.

      dewaldmontgomery - 2012-11-03 19:52

      Yes. And that will be the end of 'majority' rule too. Because black people are NOT a majority. They are a grouping of distinct African cultures, sharing only their skin colour. Before 1994, these groups had one aim: Get rid of 'white rule'. They have nothing in common anymore. No objectives to aim for. Everyone now for themselves.

  • flysouth - 2012-11-03 08:46

    Better also get rid of the fancy white man's suits, the Mercs and BMWs, electricity, Boeing and Airbus aircraft, tarred roads, indoor plumbing, - I can see I am going to run out of space here!

  • arthur.salvado - 2012-11-03 08:49

    It's just a mess. What next ? White mans law indeed. Stupid stupid man. Whats the African law then. Matches and tires ?

  • mart.botha - 2012-11-03 08:50

    Zuma, proving beyond any reasonable doubt.....again....that he is an absolute idiot....and slut to boot. Telling people what you think they want to hear to get their vote and support, is simply prostitution.

  • hans.himmler.7 - 2012-11-03 08:50

    I patiently await and anticipate the crumbling of the ANC, and the "African Way". A time will come when South Africa is under sane rule again. Mordor will fall.

      rocky.bell.927 - 2012-11-03 09:06

      Jesus is coming much sooner as is generally believed. ANC - never say never!!

  • siliziwem - 2012-11-03 08:51

    I wish this Zuma can just be diagnosed with brain tumor.

      piet.lombard.5 - 2012-11-03 08:54

      The brain tumor will reject him........

      maru.rakker - 2012-11-03 09:52

      He can easily commit suicide by jumping from his ego to his IQ.

      JohnB - 2012-11-04 06:40

      Every time I see his mug shot, I reach for the Clearasil. Reminds me of a huge Zit

  • roy.wadhams.1 - 2012-11-03 08:53

    What a twat this man is. Is the African way of justice to necklace a person? The sooner this maaifoedie is "retired" as President of this country the better and then we must give him his "day in court"

  • jan.vanderwalt.50 - 2012-11-03 08:53

    President Zuma may not be an educated person, but he surely knows Machiavelli's "The Prince" by heart!

  • bob.small.7547 - 2012-11-03 08:54

    Std 4 mentality at its best...!

  • mbasa.makubalo.7 - 2012-11-03 08:54

    Media has become an opposition since polokwane.They will pick and choose from the president's speech to suit their hidden agenda.Shame they are trying by all means to influence mangaung sorry guys you are to should be concentrating on 2014 polls now.ANC is coming for your love nest the westen cape.

      louis.hager.12 - 2012-11-03 08:56

      They don't really need to pick and choose. He makes it way to easy for them.

      mbasa.makubalo.7 - 2012-11-03 09:09

      Louis it ok for you not to understand what the president was talking about because you don't relate.we had our set of rule before colonial of which some were far more effective then today's today if I steal your moneny we go to trial I pay the fine to the court.i don't pay you a cent is that justice to olden day if you steal my cow you will give me back my cow and compensate me with with a calf may be as a fine.

      rocky.bell.927 - 2012-11-03 09:16

      "............influencing mangaung" you must be joking!! any candidate coming from mangaung will yet be another anc sycophant........but believe me the anarchists, nepotists and corrupt (read anc) is going down the tube at lightning speed. ONLY then will this beautiful country be saved for our children!

      steve.gibson.146612 - 2012-11-03 09:31

      Gee Mbasa the ANC Goverment owes it's people a heck of a lot of cows and calves at this very moment. I do not think SA has that much cattle!!!

      mbasa.makubalo.7 - 2012-11-03 09:42

      RockyBell? if you still remember the last elections DA campaign was STOP ZUMA vote the DA.And the media was pushing the idea that COPE was going to win elections.

      rocky.bell.927 - 2012-11-03 09:50

      and your point mbasa?

      matthew.patrick.925 - 2012-11-03 10:05

      Mbasa, you clearly do not know how democracy works.

      siphom.mnguni - 2012-11-03 10:15

      @mabasa.makhubalo7...let me assist with the law you feel aggrieved about especially your analogue of a cow and a calf. In mordern law there is a difference between instituting a criminal proceedings and civil proceedings. After the court has found the accused guilty there is nothing preventing you to institute civil proceedings and claim a cow and a calf. Anyway that's what I learned at the university. But justifying what the chiefs or kings do, I wish you can out of curiosity by a book on customary law. You will be shocked...

      mbasa.makubalo.7 - 2012-11-03 10:20

      Rokybell media is against ANC.

      DuToitCoetzee - 2012-11-03 12:02

      @mbasa. That is why Cape Town is busy developing an affordable internet "umbrella" with easy access over the whole area to enable people to be INFORMED. The will start in the most populated areas.(Khayelitsha & Mitchelles Plain)

      jacqui.daanevanrensburg - 2012-11-03 13:21

      Mbasa.makubalo.7 The media do not have to pick and choose from the president's speeches .Every time he opens his mouth he speaks nonsense and the likes of you believe him. I can understand that little people like you are terrified of the day the ANC is powerless and you know what, they are going to become powerless through their own people, who unlike you, have enough brains to see where this country is going.

      dewaldmontgomery - 2012-11-03 19:55

      Yes. Any person with just the slightest of self respect and dignity, will vote against the ANC.

  • ant.duke - 2012-11-03 08:55

    I would accept Homer Simpson at this stage...

  • thabo.langa.77 - 2012-11-03 08:56

    A seasoned politician this man is, tell a group of people just what they need to hear in order to secure votes. This can only stir the pot and result in more division. Why did he say this when he went to Oranja? Asazi... Ngiphela umoya!

  • Jacques - 2012-11-03 08:57

    Even the old 'he was misquoted' line is a load of tripe- even if zuma said there's flaws in the bill, after saying the Constitution is for whites, that's still an issuue. Perhaps he wants to change tehnical stuff in the kangaroo court bill, which would still mean we're screwed?

      Erna - 2012-11-03 09:37

      Mac is not denying that he actually said those things which is scary.

  • parys.fotograaf - 2012-11-03 08:57

    Nope, this human being never signed on to the constitution, nor did he ever give consent for anyone else to be his proxy in any such things.

  • ken.koen - 2012-11-03 08:59

    Yes and too much like hard work, thats why the justice system like everything else has become largely dysfunctional. So is he now going to revert to Kangaroo courts with "necklacings, an stonings, and burning people for being witches. While he's about it, he might as well get rid of the doctors and dysfunctional hospitals, and replace them with sangomas. Oh, and the schools, they're also white mans folley, so get rid of them too, and rather sit around the fire, and tell stories about the tokolshi. Africa is in regress, and we are part of a global village, and we provide the village idiots.

  • leonard.olley.7 - 2012-11-03 09:00

    I met a manager from the UK and asked him what he thought about our government and he answered me..." They don't know and the problem is that they don't know that they don't know" Makes you think

      mbasa.makubalo.7 - 2012-11-03 09:26

      Leonard can you ask the manager from the UK for far is the search of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and how much they've spend on that war.

      jacqui.daanevanrensburg - 2012-11-03 13:28

      Mbasa.makubelo.7. What has South Africa to do with weapons of mass destruction?. Were we crawling around the Iraqi dessert looking for them?. You are intellectually immature, but keep doing your best..

      dewaldmontgomery - 2012-11-03 19:56

      Talk about the cheese falling out of the sandwich. The DA / UK conspiracy has made the ANC and its band of misfits completely senile.

  • jannie.kotze.7 - 2012-11-03 09:06

    What is the AFRICAN WAY?? Kill those that don't agree, thieving, rape, degrade women as you did Zoompie, be corrupt and get praized for that, don't serve the people but live of their bribes for the "favourites" you give to them, be uneducated, make a fool of the civilized and intelectaul people in SA, promote racism through legislation, do everything destructive, live in the dark ages????? So we can go on and on, and that is the AFRICAN WAY! Zuma you don't need to dicover the wheel. It has already being discovered 2800 years ago. Devote your time for the next 1500 years to try and understand its function!

  • kimard - 2012-11-03 09:06

    go back to the african way zuma - remember they paid their workers with maize seed and goats, not the white way (currency) will you be able to build a mansion with maize or beads or goats?

  • diana.gill.18 - 2012-11-03 09:06

    A toed always remains a toed no matter how educated he is and must sit in a swamp where he belongs. What african way he is talking about? Zim? Or maybe DRC which remains a rape capital of the continent (surely Zum-zum would love it!)

      khethu.ndlovu.3 - 2012-11-03 09:44

      Maybe greece or netherland, who knws.

      rocky.bell.927 - 2012-11-03 10:59

      khethu.........clever you!!!!! How did you know such a close guarded secret? West Africa rings a bell?

      jacqui.daanevanrensburg - 2012-11-03 13:31

      Khetu.ndlovu.3 What has Greece or the Netherlands got to do with it?. Grow up.

  • hermann.hanekom - 2012-11-03 09:06

    Impeach the racist.

  • muke.matshaba - 2012-11-03 09:07

    He is just fullfiling the prophecies of the end of times