Austrian priests to disobey pope

2011-06-29 15:07

Vienna - More than 250 Catholic priests in Austria are ready to disobey the pope and allow women to preach, the head of a progressive clergy platform confirmed on Wednesday.

Helmut Schueller said the Priests' Initiative he leads has been pushing for admitting women and married men into the clergy for years, without results.

The movement published a manifesto earlier this month, and its members have let trained laymen and female religion teachers preach.

They have also defied the Vatican by administering the sacrament of Holy Communion to divorcees and to people who have left the church.

"I think we will create a forward thrust in the Church by making these practices visible," Schueller said.

The platform's views are shared by a majority of the clergy, according to a poll conducted one year ago. It showed that 80% of Austria's priests would like to end the marriage ban for their profession, and 51% would like to admit women in their ranks.

The Catholic Church, however, has reacted sharply to the priests' initiative.

The Vatican is aware that there are not enough priests and it is legitimate to voice concerns, said Bishop Egon Kapellari, the deputy head of the conference of Austrian bishops.

"But it is something else entirely to call for disobedience, to threaten the unity of the global Church and to revoke common obligations," he said in a statement on Tuesday.

  • zaatheist - 2011-06-29 15:31

    Reason for all this. The god business is losing money. 'The Catholic Church in Austria could be on the verge of a crisis as reports of clerical child abuse drive thousands of worshippers away, it emerged today (Weds). 'So far this year, 1,000 people have left in Lower Austria, 300 this month alone, raising fears that this year could see a record number of desertions. 'Last year saw 52,216 people officially quitting, the highest on record so far. But this year could be worse. 'In Salzburg city, 120 people have left this year, three times more than during the same period last year. The numbers for Vorarlberg and Tyrol are 850 and 650, respectively. 'The Vienna archdiocese has declined to cite a figure but confirmed that "many more than usual" were leaving. 'Josef Lidicky, the financial chamber director for Salzburg diocese, said the loss could be financially crippling for the Church since each member.'

      zaatheist - 2011-06-29 15:35

      Oops! That link no longer works but these are links to the same story.

      Poppy007 - 2011-06-29 15:39

      I pray that GOD has mercy on your soul zaatheist

      zaatheist - 2011-06-29 16:11

      Oh dear, Poppy007 Why are you so upset when faced with the truth? You can keep praying for your imaginary god to take revenge on me. The definition of insanity is to keep doing the same thing over and over and expect different results?

      Cornix - 2011-06-29 16:11

      Zaatheist, you see religion as a business. God is not about religion, but actually about relation.

      Irené - 2011-06-29 16:18

      @ poppy- since ZAAtheist is not religious, im gonna go ahead and guess your idle threat will have no impact. He wasnt even offensive, but actually gave some interesting info, for those interested in reading. If you dont agree with him, you need not get all bloody judgmental- I'd like to think that if there is a god, he wouldn't care who preaches his word. Basically all religions are archaic, medieval devices to keep the stupid people stupid and shut up the wise men with idle threats of eternal damnation for using our 'god given' reason. You need not be religious to have morals, ethics or principles- and by threatening atheists/agnostics is why we sometimes detest the Godfearing, not because we're heathens but because you cannot reserve judgement for your god, but rather take it upon yourself to alienate the nonreligious community- big thumbs up for that!

  • Cornix - 2011-06-29 16:08

    The pope is not God.

      Martin du Plessis - 2011-06-29 20:14

      now someone tell HIM that please.

  • chris.z.tazz - 2011-06-29 21:13

    Im Austrian and I believe this will cause alot of commotion...

      Cornix - 2011-06-29 22:08

      Oh dear!

  • gmseed - 2011-06-29 23:55

    The church has openly displayed sexism, racism and hatred for homosexuals for centuries. Even now they hang onto their inherently sexist institutions wile breaking all known anti-sexism legislation. They believe they can hide behind their "sacred" scriptures that are catalogues of hatred and abuse.

  • CalledHanzo - 2011-06-30 10:55

    God is very real. And the Bible is perfect. Unfortunately, the teachers have become corrupted, and people very easily believe what they are told at face value. The fact that organised modern religion is losing members is testament to the ultimate truth, as prophesised at the beginning, as these churches are not the Church of Jesus. Why anyone still attacks Christianity is beyond me, since the Word of the Bible does not have much say anymore, and the worlds troubles are from a much more terrifying source. I checked the link above mine, and just a note on the supposed creulty: firstly, the antelope doesnt have morals, he never left Paradise. Secondly, the creation is perfect, all human suffering is because we do not live by the Divine Laws of God, which if we did would ushering in the Kingdom of Heaven on earth.

      Valis - 2011-06-30 11:11

      Would you care to show us some proof that gods are real? Also let's see some proof for your "perfect" bible. Your bible is so perfect it states that the sun revolves around the earth, insects have four legs and that pi is equal to 3.0. Your bible is so perfect it contradicts itself in its very first two chapters! No, what's real are your pathetic delusions and superstitions. What's real is that the bible is a fake and a forgery. This has been proved over and over, not that that will make any difference to your delusions.

      CalledHanzo - 2011-06-30 11:34

      The arguement that we dont need religion to be moral, is always contradicted by the atheist such as yourself, immediately insulting and belittling that which you dont understand. If you dont believe it, then just dont believe it, and let it be. And please dont cite the Crusades etc, history is not what you think it is. You know very well that I cannot provide proof to you, although it can be found if you seek it. As an alternative theory, the big-bang is infinitely more unbelievable. Whereas Christianity ascribes the Creation to God (granted unprovable now), big-bang ascribes it to... nothing, from nothing, the term 'singularity' being a pretty word for 'nothing'. At last measuring, at least 28 billion light years of universe, came from... nothing. If you would be so kind, whereabouts are the references to pi, and the sun revolving around the earth? And when has the Bible been proved a forgery?

      Cornix - 2011-06-30 12:00

      Valis, if you are interested in Israel, do some reading about the Bible prophecy with regards to Israel. It's interesting and revealing stuff. Things are happening to Israel that were prophecied by Jewish prophets thousands of years ago. Some of these prophecies have been fulfilled already, like the founding of the state of Israel. God uses prophecy to prove that He is who He says He is. With regards to how things started, both you and I were absent at that time, thus we don't know exactly what happened, but we can see in the present day what is happening to Israel (and the World). The Bible is not a science book, it gives little detail about how things came to be. However, there is sufficient proof that the Bible is scientifically accurate. What's more, many scriptures in the Bible can't be interpreted literally, because there is a spiritual side which is huge. This is where many of you atheists fail to understand the Bible correctly, because you look at everything in a natural way. With all due respect, I am not expecting you to just believe blindly, thus go do some research and evaluate things for yourself.

  • Brent - 2011-06-30 13:19

    Sounds like lazy priests who don't want to create an opportunity for people to preach outside of Mass. Which is licit. Notice that the priests aren't working on creating a parish for the preachers. I will pray for them. Since when does asking something that *doesn't exist* to have *mercy* on something that *doesn't exist* serve as a threat? Would it be better if Poppy said, "May the elements damn your body"? Never mind, they already do. (for all of us)

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