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Breivik wanted to speak English in court

2011-08-02 22:32

Oslo - The man behind the Norway attacks was denied his wish to speak English at his first court appearance last week, police said on Tuesday, adding they had also quizzed one of his siblings who lives in the US.

"When we were in the courthouse he wanted to speak in English," prosecutor Christian Hatlo told a news conference in response to a question by AFP on Anders Behring Breivik's high level of English.

Officials did not agree to Breivik's request for the July 25 hearing after which he was remanded in custody.

Breivik, a rightwing extremist and self-confessed mass killer, did not say why he wanted to speak English, Halto said.

Breivik had posted a 1 500 manifesto online before his rampage, detailing - in an impressive level of English - his hatred for Islam and democracy among other things.

Hatlo told AFP that one of Breivik's half-sisters, who lives in the United States, was interrogated as part of the investigation.

He also said Norwegian police were investigating a number of bloggers who had been in contact with Breivik, but that "no one is suspected or wanted for the moment".

Breivik has said he acted alone and it is the investigators' priority to confirm this, Hatlo said.

The 32-year-old has said his twin attacks on July 22 - which left 77 dead - were a "cruel" but "necessary" part of his "crusade" against a "Muslim invasion" of Europe.

He killed eight people with a bomb he set off in Oslo's government quarter and later gunned down 69 people, many of them teenagers, who were attending a retreat run by the ruling Labour Party's youth wing on the island of Utoya.

Comments
  • Brolloks & Bittergal - 2011-08-03 06:58

    "Breivik, a CHRISTIAN extremist and self-confessed mass killer, did not say why he wanted to speak English, Halto said." There, fixed that for you.

      African_meisie - 2011-08-03 07:21

      Neither you nor Breivik have any clue what it truely means to be Christian so you and he should rather not speak of something you both have no real idea of. Like your mother probably told you, if you have nothing good to say rather keep quiet.

      Lyle - 2011-08-03 07:29

      Unfortunately, he has chosen to represent himself as Christian, which means that he really has put the onus on you Christians to stand up for yourselves - in the same way that Muslims had to stand up for themselves after 9/11. And as someone who does know something about Christianity, I can tell you that there's always been killing in the name of God. Just take the Crusades as one example. As long as there has been a belief in a God, there has been idiots willing to kill in his/her name. It's very sad, and this is just another example of it

      Ace - 2011-08-03 08:09

      Listen guys, I am Christian & I can tell you now that in the Bible it states that in the end times the anti-Christ will declare he is Cristian. This is to create confusion. This Breivik guy said he is fighting for Norway's heritage and he strongly believes that Norway should keep it's Nation pure like himself with blond hair & blue eyes. That is why he wanted to target Muslims. Now my question is why doesn't he want to speak in his mother language? The answer is this guy is fake in every way!!!

      Matt :-) - 2011-08-03 08:44

      @ Ace - yup! Plenty of bad guys claim to be Christian. GW Bush is apparently born-again yet you'd never think it after all he's done. Obama claims to be Christian and yet has unleashed some seriously bad and immoral policies. And if Breivik wanted to keep Norway racially pure... that is not Christianity, that is Eugenics, an offshoot of Evolution, which is required believing if you decide to reject God...

      Matt :-) - 2011-08-03 08:47

      @ Lyle - funny, I read the other day that in AD632, certain countries were "Christian" (read: Catholic) and 100 years later they had all been invaded and taken over by Islam. I never use the Crusades as an example of "good" as after all it was warfare, but still something interesting to research because then it's no longer invasion, but recapturing invaded territory... Still, give me religion any day. The lack of religion is destructive. Just look at any Eastern Bloc country pre-democracy, or China, Campuchea, Cuba... no need to "imagine" as John Lennon suggested, the evidence was right in front of him!

      Lyle - 2011-08-03 09:23

      @Matt: You see the problem with events like The Crusades, The Salem Witch Trials, The Inquisition, etc, is that they all hark back to the same belief (whether that belief is valid or not is open to scrutiny). Now when you just look at the numbers in that sense, it's fervent belief that is destructive, not the lack of belief. And I'm sure you must have heard the statistic about the amount of people God killed in the Bible compared to the devil (somewhere in the region of 2 million by God and just 10 by El Diablo). But this is besides the point... The point is that religion, while fueled by good intentions and trying to uphold a moral code, leads to conflict. And as the saying goes, the road to Hell is paved with good intentions (if you believe in Hell and that sorta thing)

      pierreedge - 2011-08-03 12:47

      How ironic Matt, Ace and co... So when a guy who grew up to as christian commits terror acts, the chistians rally quickly to deny his christianity which he grew up as, it is part of his background, like it or not. But when u guy who grew up to as a muslim does the same, there you rally quickly to emphasize his religion, even if 99% of regular muslims reject his actions. There the "Plenty of bad guys claim to be xxx" doesnt apply for them LOL On the side, i really cant see how you can compare bush who sunk the US economy, invaded a country on false pretense, caused the death of 100 000 iraki civilian directly or indirectly by his actions to Obama. Did Obama make propose or implement so bad policies, maybe. But saying "unleash" and immoral wow, that's rather extreme. Is his color disturbing you and make you judge him more harshly?

      Messenger - 2011-08-03 13:15

      Pierreedge, please explain to us how on Earth would the Bible inspire a BORN-AGAIN Christian to commit a violent deed. There is a huge difference between saying one is a Christian just because you were born to Christian parents and grew up in a Christian household, and really living the Christian life according to the Bible. Alas, I guess you (like many other people) do not understand the difference, because you probably never have been born again.

      Matt :-) - 2011-08-03 13:45

      @ Messenger - agreed. @ Lyle - yes, belief and religion can lead to bad things. Once those who reject God can just admit that their non-belief is equally religious (Humanists do, atheists don't) then we can look at what the "lack of religion" achieves. I gave a few examples... like Bulgaria pre-democracy, where atheism was enforced. Schools didn't teach that there were religions, so students became atheist by default. Those people who were religious had to hide it, for speaking openly about it, greeting another person with a religious-based comment, owning/reading/quoting a Bible, were all punishable by jail and even execution. They'd have secret police pose as pastors so that any religious person who went to one would be "noted". And that was nothing compared to China, even to this day followers of religions are persecuted by the atheist state. Before that, any religious person could expect to be murdered. So yeah, I'm not too overly keen on the idea of secular states, let alone atheist states ...

      Matt :-) - 2011-08-03 13:51

      @ Lyle - 2 million? Hmm. Take USSR (Stalin era) and China (Mao era) and add up the casualties there. More than all other wars in the world, ever... both were times where they were enforcing communism to the letter. Though an atheist doesn't have to be a communist, a communist has to be an atheist (or else the ideology falls apart). Interesting too how Stalin allowed citizens to "moderately" practice religion after his idea of a 100% communist, atheist state led to mass starvation! @ pierreedge - you know me better than that... I don't care about Obama's skin colour. Rather, the policies. And yes, immoral. For example, take abortion. There are various states that recently stated they will not provide financial backing to Planned Parenthood clincs. Obama personally threatened that if states withhold THEIR OWN money from promotion of abortion, he would see to it that the entire state's funding for all healthcare would be stopped. In other words, do this deed which offends the majority of that state's population, or else everyone will have no health care... there are plenty of laws that Obama has overseen, which go against the religious beliefs of most of the US Citizens, let alone against his aleged own!

      Matt :-) - 2011-08-03 14:01

      Another sign the US State (before and during Obama) has gone apostate... according to the constitution, a church (not specifying a particular religion or branch) is a tax exception. In other words, the US State has no business taxing or restricting ANY religious institution. Then the State got clever and issued 501c3, which grants a church/mosque/etc "tax exemption". In other words, churches/mosques/etc are made to believe they HAVE to have a 501c3 tax exemption (the love of money is... what?). Yet, 508 states that they were a tax exception anyway, so 501c3 is misleading! Problem is, almost all religious institutions in the USA have a 501c3 now. This means that said institution may be tax-exempt, but isn't allowed to touch on certain issues. It may not discuss politics at all (this was included because 100 years ago, the State was SCARED of churches for they had huge influence), it may not preach on anything that goes against US State policy - so for example, if the US State declared (eg) murder to be legal, no church, mosque, synagogue would be allowed to say "that's wrong"... the only way for a religious institution to get out of 501c3 is to simply retract it, then quote 508 ... Anyway, that's USA... we're in SA and the article is about a nutter in Norway :-)

      pierreedge - 2011-08-03 14:09

      Yes matt, i think i do and i understand better why you say immoral now even if i totally disagree (which doesnt surprise you am sure ;-) let's leave this for another time, as you say, that's USA and we re talking of the norway monster here, who still grew up as a christian by the way. I will tell you something between us however, i agree that even if he did grow up as one, his actions show that he wasnt one even if in his head am sure he thought he was. Same for the alqeada monsters who think they are but aren't following their religion.

      Matt :-) - 2011-08-03 14:11

      @ pierreedge - wondering how the story will unfold. Now I see there's a new article that the killer called the local police to say "mission accomplished", yet wasn't he linked to a few other planned attacks... ai

      Lyle - 2011-08-03 14:35

      When looking at the secular countries, what about the moderately successful ones, like Scandinavians? The only tragedy was by THIS idiot, who (for all intents and purposes) was killing in the name of God. The really religious countries in the world are the 3rd world countries for obvious reasons (lack of hope, education, etc). But if you look at the Islamic states and look at the chaos that is ensuing there. It's easy to say that's just Sharia Law, but imagine if all of the Ten Commandments was actual law - it would be no different from the Islamic states. There's a reason we have a clear distinction between the terms "secular" and "religious": because it's necessary. We shouldn't force atheism on anyone - that's not right or fair, but that doesn't mean that governance should be religiously based either. We should be free to choose, and the that's the point really. And the 2 million figure was only regarding people in the Bible. About Communism, I'm not entirely certain all you're saying is strictly factual (communist has to be an atheist). Communism is just a system of government, like socialism, or capitalism - not a belief system in the way religion is. Saying all communists are atheists is like saying all capitalists are evangelicals. The point here is, if any religion in government worked, it would be clear to us by now, and so far, this isn't the case.

      Matt :-) - 2011-08-03 14:53

      @ Lyle... well, if you delve really deep into what communism is - yup, you cannot possibly be a religious chap to practise or enforce it. There's even a pattern - Darwin was a Christian, read Lyell and became atheist + wrote his book on evolution. Marx was a Jew, read Dawrin and became atheist (he said his mission was to destroy capitalism and dethrone God). Later on, Stalin was Georgian Orthodox, read Darwin, became atheist, and the deaths under Stalin were estimated to be around 40-60 million. Mao Tse Tung listed Darwin as his favourite author, under him the deaths were estimated around 70 million. Interesting is that when the Reds took over, they didn't start teaching communism in schools, but evolution. First get the kids away from their deity, and then communism "can" work. But that's another debate ...

      Matt :-) - 2011-08-03 14:57

      @ Lyle again - I'm skeptical about people using Scandinavia as a perfect example of a secular society, simply because the argument is always twisted to suit the atheist... this is what I've encountered: "atheist states don't work" - oh, look at Scandinavian countries! "look at what happens in Scandinavian countries" - oh but they're Christian, look at the stats! Same with my home country... when I moan about its ills, I'm instantly reminded that 70% or so are apparently Christian, even though I'm from there and know better - yet quote that figure in your defense and the response is that it's not a true figure. Ai, we can never win...

      Lyle - 2011-08-03 15:41

      @Matt: About Darwin becoming atheist - obviously from your viewpoint, the literature he read made him atheist which you view as a bad thing (I think he saw the light). I know for myself, I didn't really need to read much to push me over the edge - and I don't think it took someone who was much smarter than me, like Darwin, to come to the same realization (that belief in the supernatural is irrational). But I guess, we're both examining things from different viewpoints so we're gonna see that particular bit differently. About the others, personally I don't have anything against Karl Marx, but with the dictators, I don't think there's any excuse you can make to justify their actions - they were wrong. However, I don't attribute this to their alleged atheism, because the thing about lack of belief is that it's your own character that determines your actions, not any scripture or teachings. A lot of the great philosophers and thinkers of our time were also atheist. Someone like Descartes for instance, who's religious belief was always questioned; no one attributed his famous "Cogito ergo sum" to atheism - it was simply Descartes, the person. And that's what agnostics and atheists try to drum home - we're not helpless souls stuck in a mortal body waiting to return to some mythical paradise. We are mankind, and we only have this life to lead, so live it. Besides, if it was God who gave us critical thought, it would be slap in the face to him if we didn't use it, wouldn't it?

      Lyle - 2011-08-03 15:54

      @Matt: About the Scandinavian countries, and more loosely, the surrounding European countries; atheism is larger there and growing due to their economic strength, social structures, support systems for people, etc. In third world countries; where you can't necessarily get to a shrink; can't receive regular social welfare; don't receive the same level of education; in these places, religion performs this function. In the developed world, pews are emptying as the world progresses while in the developing world, people still feel the need to look to a higher power for a solution that can't be found via their limited means. Countries like Sweden, Denmark, Germany and even France have atheist counts of between 40-60%, if recent stats are to be believed. While if you look at sub-Saharan Africa, the percentage is closer to 1. "In those parts of the world where learning and science have prevailed, miracles have ceased; but in those parts of it as are barbarous and ignorant, miracles are still in vogue." - Ethan Allen

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