Cameron rushes back to UK as London burns

2011-08-09 00:44

London - Riots spread to new areas of London on Monday while looting also erupted in the city of Birmingham as Britain's worst unrest in decades escalated in a third night of violence.

Prime Minister David Cameron cut short his holiday to fly home to tackle the violence, which politicians and police have blamed on criminal thugs and which come amid deep economic gloom in Britain.

In Hackney, a multi-ethnic area in east London close to the site of next year's Olympic Games, hooded youths set fire to rubbish bins and pushed them down a street towards police, while hurling bottles and bricks.

Many laughed as they ran back when police charged them. Others shouted into their cellphones telling their friends to join in.

The disturbances started late on Saturday in London's northern Tottenham district when a peaceful protest over the police's shooting of a suspect turned violent.

On Monday, the violence had spread to the south of the city, including the areas of Peckham, Croydon and Lewisham.

Attackers also smashed shops and looted property in the central England city of Birmingham, police said, in the first sign of the riots spreading beyond the capital.

In Hackney, with the street thick with smoke, looters smashed their way into a local shop, stealing whisky and beer. One had even grabbed a packet of cornflakes. Another man ran away laughing while carrying four bottles of whisky.

"I am from South Africa and it reminds me of the riots there, except the police here are not so rough," said one middle-aged local resident, who declined to give his name.

"But the kids don't have any respect for the police or for property. It's sad for the people who live round here."

In Peckam, flames leapt into the air from a torched building, while rubble was strewn across the street. People walked in and out of shops looting.

Cameron's office said he would cut short his holiday in Italy to chair an emergency crisis meeting, amid growing calls from the public for officials to take control of the crisis.

Police had arrested 215 people, according to Home Secretary Theresa May.

"The violence we've seen, the looting we've seen, the thuggery we've seen, this is sheer criminality... these people will be brought to justice, they will be made to face the consequences of their actions," she said.


But despite a heavy police presence, they appeared unable to contain the violence as looters co-ordinated through cellphones and Twitter to try to keep one step ahead of them.

In Hackney, youths in brown hoods posed for pictures in front of a burning car on a street corner. Others swarmed around a skip full of bricks and gathered them up.

"I don't know why they are doing this," said a middle-aged woman who lived nearby. "It's senseless ... they are just cacking on their own doorstep."

The BBC said the Hackney clashes broke out after police stopped and searched a man.

Government officials branded rioters as opportunistic criminals and said the violence would not affect preparations for next summer's Olympic Games.

Police deputy assistant commissioner Steve Kavanagh said the force was putting more officers on the streets in Hackney and other areas on Monday night.

"Let me make it clear that people who are using current events as an excuse or cover to break the law, steal, attack police officers and cause fear to Londoners will not be tolerated by the vast majority of Londoners and us," he said.


A small group of people said they had barricaded themselves inside the 110-year-old Hackney Empire theatre to escape the violence.

"We are stuck inside," said one person, who did not give her name, in a telephone conversation with Reuters.

"We don't want to be near the windows. They seem to be targeting shops at the moment. It's very scary."

"We are in the back of the building, staying away from the front. We have barricaded the doors and put chains on the doors."

Youths appeared to have used a free message service on Blackberry cellphones to co-ordinate attacks on shops and police.

Research In Motion, the Canadian manufacturer of Blackberry smartphones, said it would work with British authorities, but gave no details on what information, if any, it would give the police.

"We feel for those impacted by this weekend's riots in London. We have engaged with the authorities to assist in any way we can," RIM spokesperson Patrick Spence said in a statement.

Some have branded the disturbances as a cry for help from impoverished areas reeling from the government's harsh austerity cuts to tackle a big budget deficit, with youth services and other facilities cut back sharply.

"Tottenham is a deprived area. Unemployment is very, very high ... they are frustrated," said Uzodinma Wigwe, 49, who was made redundant from his job as a cleaner recently.

Officials said there was no excuse.

"It was needless, opportunistic theft and violence, nothing more, nothing less. It is completely unacceptable," said Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg.

  • ProudofPink - 2011-08-09 00:51

    Time for the british police to use force.

      G.du Plessis - 2011-08-09 01:46

      Nice to see you are sympathetic and care about humanity.

      NZdreamer - 2011-08-09 02:07

      Bloody yobs! They all need a good bulloking - destroying innocent people's cars, homes, shops! SHOCKING! And this from a 1st World Country - this you can expect in SA, but not there.

      za101 - 2011-08-09 05:00

      OFF TOPIC BUT rand collapse to R7.51 in overnight trading in the Far East

      Hux - 2011-08-09 06:21

      Better to bring the army home and smash these thugs.

      Yar - 2011-08-09 07:08

      Looking at the TV,it looks as though the police are outnumbered and on the run.

      Anton - 2011-08-09 07:14

      Marco, I don't think there are double standards at all, the difference between having these riots in London, or these occurring in the Middle East or in most places in Africa, IS that in London , one has ONE person who has died, whereas 3000 would have died, by now elsewhere!!!!!!

      Obama Bin Laden - 2011-08-09 07:24

      South Africa should volunteer to host the Olympics now. Clearly London is not an option. Time for plan B

      Brigitte - 2011-08-09 07:40

      this is the Labour Party's nanny state chickens coming home to roost!

      SA_Mizdat - 2011-08-09 08:12

      No I disagree. Force is not the solution. Instead, the Poms should now totally open their borders to all comers, especially from Africa and the Middle East. Didn't they always tell us how the twin joys multiculturalism and diversity are cure-alls for all manner of social problems?

      Concerned - 2011-08-09 11:42

      SA should capitalize on this now like the pommie press did during world cup 2010. We should send deborah patta in there to interview the poor youths and tell us how tragic their lives are. Then we can organise tour busses to drive through their poor areas, maybe have some lunch at a local tavern, all accompanies by an armed guard of course. Then we write article after article about how they can't possibly stage the olympics, rugby world cup and anything else and that it should all be moved to SA. Fair is far, you know it makes sense.

      pierreedge - 2011-08-09 12:30

      No matter the race of the rioters, from what i saw on the bbc, they are all british citizen, and it appeared mixed. Dont forget that last week, the police was trying to record and asked people to report anarchist, seems they were anticipating something. Let's hope the situation calms down quickly and that people dont get hurt. Is there any link with what's going on with the world economy, that anarchist are trying to use the global market collapse and the humongous debt crisis to try change the system, who knows?

      whereu - 2011-08-09 12:31

      Obama Bin Laden, Sadly your analysis is spot on. Many in the British press were trashing South Africa leading up to the Soccer World Cup. They cited crime and violence, wasting money in the face of poverty as well their perception that SA could not organise such a major event as reasons for moving the Soccer World Cup venue. Lesson: be VERY careful of what you wish on others. Thrown stones often bounce back in your face.

      pierreedge - 2011-08-09 12:34

      "this is the Labour Party's nanny state chickens coming home to roost! " What an inept comment, but i guess simple people always play the blame game and trivialize any situation.

      Sibusiso.J Mahlangu - 2011-08-09 13:12

      @Datbrotherfromthestates 1000000000000000% correct !!!!!!!

      Denise - 2011-08-09 13:18

      Keep young people off the street! There is no good reason for children to be out unaccompanied late at night. Youth curfews and zero tolerance should address the problem!! Parents should be made to face up to their responsibilities. If low-level crimes are not acted against swiftly and effectively by the police, then a permissive atmosphere is created where violence and other serious crimes flourish and law and order breaks down entirely. Night-time curfews and zero tolerance should bring the situation under control.

      Dan Grey - 2011-08-09 13:54

      Here is a picture of one of the looters posing with all his loot. Get this, the stupid moron posted the photo of himself and his loot on Facebook. Epic facepalm.

      Met - 2011-08-09 17:36

      I think that most are loosing perspective. With all the violence and destruction, we have only had 1 or 2 deaths and a few hundred arrests- so there will be consequences. With the zenophobic riots in SA we had,I think 22 deaths and almost no arrests of any suspects. Does that not tell a story of the two societies?

      Denise - 2011-08-09 20:08

      These are the key numbers from the riot so far - ARRESTS Arrests so far in London (since Saturday night): 525 London arrests on Monday night: 310 People charged: 99

      Elmarie - 2011-08-10 01:47

      There you have it some of them are SA scumbags...that is where all this trouble started from the likes of Africa....I am ashamed to hear that there are SA involved here. I have been here for Years and I never had the need to be ashamed to be a South African but now I am>!!!

      Troep - 2011-08-10 09:27

      The British police are useless, looks like they are too scared or too restricted due to politically correct nonsense, its a absolute joke! Just standing around watching the these events unfold. They need to shoot these thugs with rubber bullets and arrest them on the spot..........

      pierreedge - 2011-08-10 13:11

      Political correctness is not non sense, it is what differentiate civilized societies from barbaric regimes like syria. And people who think it's non sense are insensitive jerks who think that "speaking one's mind", "telling it like it is" and "not taking any crap" are virtues even if it hurts other's feelings, they are like elephants in a china shop.

  • G.du Plessis - 2011-08-09 00:54

    An English friend of mine has texted me to tell me he has had his shop near Clapham junction burnt. Very sad.

      Janine - 2011-08-09 17:46

      Hope your friend is OK - this is just terrible.

      Denise - 2011-08-09 18:52

      I have no sympathy towards those who wantonly attack people or damage property. I hope the Cameron/Clegg government doesn't respond to this crisis by putting forth a scheme (as they call it in the U.K.) for unemployed youth. If they do that then they are rewarding this licentious behavior. And what happens to the entrepreneur who has had his or her business destroyed? What happens to these people who have worked hard their whole lives only to see their hard work go up in smoke? If the Tory-Lib coalition is going to devote resources to anyone it should be to them. The Cameron/Clegg coalition also has to do something about their law enforcement or more precisely the lack of it. And where are the parents? Some of the rioters who have been arrested are quite young with the youngest being all of eleven-years old.

      pierreedge - 2011-08-10 13:20

      I have no sympathy too but if your answer is to forget the cause and treat only the symptoms, you are short sighted. There is a deep rooted problem of youth unemployment underlying the whole situation that needs to be addressed. Let's ease up on the hard working people who worked hard all their hard working lives and lost their hard earned income to buy their hard earned champagne, and hard earned summer house in Majorca bla bla, insurance companies are there to cover the damage. I know not all shops are to be put in the same pot but let's put things in perspective for a minute here, on one hand you have a few punctual broken windows, on the other you have a mass of youth with no prospects as things stand, no contest.

  • G.du Plessis - 2011-08-09 00:59 Current areas with burning shops, cars and buses (verified)

  • FartaWorks - 2011-08-09 01:13

    Now ain't "multiculturalism" just a be-atch...

      BoB - 2011-08-09 01:38

      I am afraid, the name Anders Breivik???

      G.du Plessis - 2011-08-09 01:47

      Rioting in UK has nothing to do with race. White areas like Bromley are badly affected too.

      FartaWorks - 2011-08-09 03:27

      @G.du Plessis, it's as clear as mud you have a following of about 25 or so on this forum. Strange... At any rate, I did not mention anything about race. You did pimp

      Howzitekse - 2011-08-09 05:26

      Racist mamparra.

      Snoek - 2011-08-09 07:53

      @ G.du Plessis, When last have you been to Bromley? Peckham, Croydon and Lewisham are all so called "integrated areas". Let this be a lesson; integration doesn’t work. I would be very happy to apologise if someone can give me an example where integration worked.

      Phil - 2011-08-09 12:04

      @ G Du Plessis I wish that was true, but alas it is not. Gun, knife and gang violence is rife in the black, Afro-caribbean communities, who are responsible for the overwhelming majority of street crime in London. In response the Met police established 'Operation Trident' to specifically target gun crime in the black communities. The riots started in Tottenham, when the trident task force killed a suspect whilst they were trying to arrest him, and in response the mainly black community began the riots. The rioters are certainly NOT exclusively black, but black communities are absolutely at the centre of this. The UK is however much more divided along class lines than race, and these riots will spread throughout the working class youth, and will definitely spread beyond the black communities. At the same time, middle class black communities will be horrified by the damage the riots will do to their reputation. The biggest problem behind this is years of political correctness and tolerance, and the police are now too scared to act decisively, for fear of being called 'heavy handed'. The rights of criminals are weighed far too highly against those of society at large.

      AJ - 2011-08-09 14:23

      @Phil " biggest problem behind this is years of political correctness and toleranc" - absolutely. When you remove the power to discipline people in a manner which seriously gives them cause to change their attitudes, then they inevitably deteriorate as opposed to improve as members of society. very few of us human beings can honestly police ourselves, most of us need a darn good hiding. We learn quick that way.

      cuz - 2011-08-11 01:51

      Whoever said 'the camera never lies? A blatant attempt to misrepresent the truth!!! It seems that Sky News, BBC and other PC media outlets have gone to great pains to only show individual white's acting like tossers. Back at the ranch, we all know that the majority of the looters are blacks, yet most of the footage seems to miss them doing their cultural thing. The Tottenham area where the riots first occurred is 'diverse' and home to London's biggest black population. It's also a no-go area for Cops. All I can say is good luck to England if this is how they're going to deal with this problem - by sticking their PC heads in their PC bucket of sand. Over the last few days, thousands of pictures have been taken of the London riots. Hours of footage have been captured on film. Yet out of all the thousands of pictures of blacks torching, looting, pelting the police with rocks, planks, petrol bombs, etc…The media chose a picture of a white man walking past the flames for their front page. In his hand he holds a cooldrink, but the perception is being created that it might be a Molotov cocktail. He might be an ordinary pedestrian, but by association he is innocently framed as a rioter.

      John Wilderness - 2011-08-11 02:14

      INTEGRATION DOES WORK !! Londoners of various groups white black, asian, muslim, hindu, sikh stood shoulder to shoulder to help police and got involvd in volutary cleanup programs. Those involved in causing the mayhem were white, black and middle eastern.

  • Doublepost - 2011-08-09 01:14

    Let London burn and then send all the looters, rioters and misfits home.

      G.du Plessis - 2011-08-09 01:47

      The looters are white in orpington and Bromley - very white areas.

      G.du Plessis - 2011-08-09 01:53

      My brother has just spoken to me where he says white youths are burning a shop in Bromley. He had to do some vehicular gymnastics to avoid them.

      Doublepost - 2011-08-09 01:55

      And we must trust your brother!? Lol, dude seriously, why would Whites trash their own city? Stop lying!

      G.du Plessis - 2011-08-09 01:59

      @double post. Go join a Nazi organisation..youths of all races are rioting. Go watch the BBC now. Disaffected youths are causing the problem.

      G.du Plessis - 2011-08-09 02:33

      @Marco. You are right - he is probably and AWB freak or something - wish people like him would leave SA.

      John Wilderness - 2011-08-09 03:50

      @Doublepost - So you actually hoping that the rioters are not white ? Savagery comes inall colours mate. That nonsense that your parents and told you that all white people are sophisticated, well behaved and law abiding was just to keep the wool over your eyes.

      Komasa - 2011-08-09 05:31

      @John I agree with you @Doublepost was brought up in the 'Old Boys Club'.

      Howzitekse - 2011-08-09 07:16

      Why don't you go home Doublepost?

      LG - 2011-08-09 08:06

      @Doublepost, your a bit of a moron aren’t you? This is caused by the yobs (all racis). They are bored, lazy and rely on government had outs. Since this has been cut down they fear their lazy arses might have to go find a job. @Datbrotherfromthestates, you have stooped to Doublepost's level by your stupid "is that all you Afrikaners do " comment. Don’t paint people with the same brush it just shows your ignorance and idiocy.

      BOFFINBOB - 2011-08-09 09:10

      Doublepost....Hang in there, typical assumption by these " liberals " that you are a right winger or AWB etc. pay no heed to their stupidity. These are the same people, who still think, despite Malema, that we " can all get along " & live together peacefully under sunnyskies SA.

      v3 - 2011-08-09 09:27

      Doublepost, if you weren't such a racist, ignorant misanthrope you would recall that the soccer louts, punks, teddy boys, mods & rockers were all whites, as are the skinheads in Europe. As the Duke of Wellington said he didn't know if his troops frightened the enemy, but they certainly frightened him.

      Totman - 2011-08-09 09:51

      @Datbrotherfromthestates. Please refrain from generalizing people from SA that you know nothing of.[read Afrikaners] What do you G.duPlessis is? Rather go and work to get your economy right. You are busy effecting all of us because you people[USA] overspend and not saving. On the fact who is responsible I cant comment. I usually wait for full detail before I open my mouth. So if you want to differ from Doublepost you are welcome to, but not at cost of other. Coming from a South African.

      Totman - 2011-08-09 09:52

      Sorry mend: what do you think G.du Plessis is?

      Anton - 2011-08-09 10:11

      thatracistbrother, You know absolutly NOTHING about Africa. The only thing you are good at , is spew your sick racism and your disturbeing hatred for whites. WE DON'T NEED YOU FOREIGNERS TO COME TO AFRICA, AND STIR SH.T HERE F.CK OFF WITH YOUR OTHER FOREIGN RACISTS BUDDIES!!

  • veld66 - 2011-08-09 01:14

    Cameron rushes to UK?>???? What will he do ???? This is a big social uprising and its gonna get worse.

      Snoek - 2011-08-09 08:00

      A least he's doing something and making his voice heard unlike our voiceless President.

      v3 - 2011-08-09 09:29

      It's called leadership. As Snoek say, the opposite of our lame-chicken jellyfish.

      AJ - 2011-08-09 14:42

      @veld66, if he doesn't rush back and stays on holiday despite not being able to add much value, he'd be pilloried. It's stupid, but people expect absolutely useless gestures from politicians, even if not of their doing or their solving. Don't ever expect maturity from the population as a whole.

  • Brandon - 2011-08-09 01:18

    Youths ruin everything. Fact.

      AJ - 2011-08-09 14:28

      Certainly when allowed to grow up with no real rules, either by parents or govt, no responsibilities, and no repercussions, coupled with the fact that most of them seemed to think there were entitled to be footballers and celebrities, weighed down with millions before their 23rd birthday, and shock..horror, it just hasn't happened for about 99.8 % of them. Blame will be placed everywhere except where it the feet of young people who assumed the world owed them a living and an iPod.

      sipholess - 2011-08-09 15:37

      I agree, if it were'nt for my two kids I'd be on a mediterranean cruise right now. All youth are scum !!!!

  • veld66 - 2011-08-09 01:19

    The genocide of an estimated 114000000 Native Americans. White people. 11million Africans relocated into slavery, 20% died en route. White people. Over 6million Jews, gypsies and homosexuals killed during the holocaust. White people. First World War, 37million dead. White people. Second World War. over 60million dead. White people. Nagasaki & Hiroshima, 118661 dead. White people. That's just in the past 500years. If you're gonna make an argument make an educated one.

      Peg-Leg-Sven - 2011-08-09 01:42

      You only know this because Whites recorded their History in books. Both the good and the bad. Nobody knows how many millions the Bantu people killed on their trek South from Central Africa as they were incapable of recording those deaths due to the lack of ability to read, write or do maths. So counting would be out of the question. Since the White man came to Africa, how many millions of Black lives has his sanitary, health and education saved? Just look at South Africa. In 1900 there were only 4 million Blacks, Today over 46 million, go figure that over hundreds of years, they hardly multiplied, it is why they had ten or more children, to have no more than two make it to adult hood. So stop pointing fingers at those that may have taken many lives to bring civilisation to the continent, but in many ways saved more lives than they have ever taken.

      G.du Plessis - 2011-08-09 01:49

      These riots are not about race...they have happened all over London - in mixed race and white areas.

      Jannes S - 2011-08-09 01:54

      If you are trying to imply that "white people" are the root of all violence, then your argument seems to be a bit lacking. As AA said, you are spot referencing particular events to support your argument. You fail to refer to Zimbabwe, Sudan, Somalia, Ethiopia, and other African and South American countries that are not "white", where genocide and mass-violence is very evident. It is difficult to listen to your advice concerning an educated argument, when yours too suffers from a lack of thought. Instead of trying to create a racial argument, maybe think about it in terms of "haves" vs "have nots", instead of whites vs black vs pink vs purple. Racial arguments belong to the apartheid era, its time we and you moved on from that...

      G.du Plessis - 2011-08-09 01:56

      I am suggesting it is not JUST black people rioting based on first hand info from my brother. UK news has not turned this into race - just the usual racist news24 crew.

      k1dbl4ck - 2011-08-09 05:26

      thx datbrother. and you are just leeches living off the inventions, successes, and tough decisions made by the white man. its easy to take the moral high ground whilst sitting there on your computer using the internet. and its fine, hate white people. it just makes us stronger.

      Lou_is - 2011-08-09 05:32

      Yeah Veld, but at least it took the white people some time to reach those staggering figures. Rwanda 800 000 people, in three days. So don't make an uneducated comment.

      Komasa - 2011-08-09 05:40

      Peg Leg who are the Bantu?? @Joe not quite sure who you are ranting about and @Peg Leg your history was only recorded to justify your means.

      demonsofhate - 2011-08-09 05:57

      @Datidiotfromthestates Kindly read this (written by a real black South African): Then shut the f@ck up!!!

      Jannes S - 2011-08-09 06:57

      I dont understand why this is a debate about race and who is better at killing that the other. During the apartheid era, whites and blacks argued about how your race immediately implies that you have a certain ethical viewpoint, or level of intelligence. Saying something like "White people are like this" and "black people are like this" is absolute nonsense. It is impossible to generalize based of something as arb as skin colour. Its a primitive mindset based on fear and its sad to see some people are still trapped in it. South Africa is awesome and we all have the opportunity to live peacefully together. The aparheid era is over, so get over it. This is not only directed at the OP...

      Jannes S - 2011-08-09 07:15

      Oh and "Peg-Leg-Sven", Ethiopia has records of their history dating back way before the birth of Christ... Not only that, "civilization" is a subjective concept, and throwing words like that around doesn't really make your comment any more substantial. Great Zimbabwe was a huge 'civilization', which had developed on its own without the help of us white guys. Furthermore, 1900 to 2011 is only 111 years, not "hundreds". And I believe that oppression during that time led to poor living conditions, thus the black people's (that you refer to in your post) ability to raise healthy children is more the oppressor's (of that specific time) fault rather than their own. Oh, and the planet can barely sustain the 6-7 billion people living on it at the moment, thus, a sign of an intelligent people would be to not procreate as they would know (due to the fact that they are an intelligent "civilization") that the over population that our current 'civilization' has brought about would inevitably cause the downfall of the entire or greater part of the human race. Im not trying to insult you, just that I think you should not write from a place of anger as it sounds a bit irrational.

      Anton - 2011-08-09 07:21

      thatbrotherfullofhate, It is totally impossible for you to make even one single comment, without an outburst of your sick racism and hatred for whites. Why don't you apply your racist skills in the USA, or are you scared that you will get arrested for HATE SPEECH, and you feel more safe to send your disturbed comments 15000 km away. You are a bigger COWARD than your friend gaddafi

      Jannes S - 2011-08-09 07:25

      G.Du Plesis - Sorry man, I wasnt referring to you. You made yourself pretty clear in your posts, and I agree. The only referral to "race" in the entire article is "multi-ethnic", which doesnt really refer to any group in particular. It could be referring to the Polish, Turks, Koreans, South Americans, the Eskimos, and the Umpalumpas. Like you said, these riots are not about race at all! I believe it was actually sparked by a police shooting... Im not entirely too clear on it though...

      Dan Grey - 2011-08-09 07:54

      @Datbrotherfromthestates says: "you whites over there STILL til this day lie and claim that only four hundred plus black people were killed during the entire forty eight years of yiour so called legal apartheid,when the numbers are well over thirty thousand. you bigots claim that only 63 black kids were killed at sharpsville even after it is documented that over 700 plus were killed there." ............ No you stupid American, the whites did not claim any figures at all. The figures of 7,000 deaths (including Sharpville) that the apartheid government was found guilty of was determined by the ANC themselves. hahahaha The TRC and the HRC were ANC created entities and they determined the numbers. hahahaha No doubt they would have liked, like yourself to have seen higher numbers, but for that you need missing people and bodies etc. etc. which was impossible to manufacture, considering that the eyes of the world was on South Africa. Face it bro, only 7,000 deaths were caused by the apartheid government during its 42 years of rule. The facts trouble you. hahahaha These facts were determined by the ANC. hahaghaha

      FiveAssedMonkey - 2011-08-09 08:50

      @veld66 Democracy. White people. Emancipation. White people. Women's sufferage. White people. Victory in WW1 & WW2. White people. Astrophysics, Astronomy and Spaceflight. White people. Nuclear fission and fusion. White people. Mozart, Vivaldi, Bach, Strauss. White people. Michelangelo, Kepler, Einstein, Newton. White people. Billions in food aid to Africa. White people. Billions in medical aid to Africa. White people. Yes, all white people. In fact there isn't a damn thing you do in a minute of your worthless life that somewhere some "white person" didn't toil, suffer or possibly die so that you can live the life you do. You are the one that should attempt to make an educated argument you ignorant pr!ck.

      Komasa - 2011-08-09 09:18

      ewe 'Monkey' and you did not benefit financially from any of those great deeds.

      FiveAssedMonkey - 2011-08-09 09:57

      @Komasa Not sure exactly what you're addressing dude....but, i'll attempt to elaborate. My family, at least the 6 generations that I can trace and am aware of have never benefited from the genocides of Native Americans, Jews, Gypsies, Homosexuals or any other group of humanity. My family has never owned slaves or participated in the slave trade. In fact dating back to the early Victorian era my family in England protested the practice. My family didn't make any significant contribution towards the deaths in World Wars 1 or 2. My grandfather did however fight against the Nazis in Europe and certainly got a few headshots there admittedly, You remember the Nazis were the bad guys who believed in the concept of racial superiority and eliminating other inferior races? Just checking. I'm also pretty sure grandpa didn't A-Bomb Japan thereby ending the war and preventing countless more civilian and military fatalities. So did I "benefit financially" from any of these? No, I didn't. I can say however that where we are now, we are only here because we have stood on the shoulders of giants. The good and the bad, I am proud of my culture and all the immense progress it has brought the world and I apologise for nothing. Hope that answers your typical one-liner.

      Komasa - 2011-08-09 10:15

      You don't have to elaborate I understand your handouts to Africa came from the bottom of your heart it had nothing to do with getting your hands on the mineral wealth. Throw your social conscience around as much as you want but don't take us for fools.

      Ross - 2011-08-09 10:59

      800 000 killed in Hutu/Tutsi massacre in 10 day's

      whereu - 2011-08-09 13:36

      @Datbrotherfromthestates, please examine your own history before throwing stones.

      AJ - 2011-08-09 14:32

      @veld66, uhm black Africans were sold into slavery by their African leaders at the time for access to weapons that allowed tghem an advantage in wiping out the next tribe, so we may all have to share responsibility for that dubious honour'..That said and done, many countries have managed to make progress since those times, and some not..

      Elizabeth - 2011-08-09 14:40

      @Datbrotherfromthestates - I don't believe you're from the States. First of, you called yourself a black American, when everyone knows "black" here in the States is politically incorrect. Correct term: African American. Just ask any true African American. Second, I've looked at your time of replying to comments. You reply during South Africa's day-time but the US' night time.... OWNED.

      Jaco - 2011-08-09 15:19

      Give Elizabeth a Bells! Ouwa idiot "from the States", eish, not so clever, he doesn't understand that thing about time zones...

  • swessels1 - 2011-08-09 01:21

    All of a sudden south africa feels very very save

      AA - 2011-08-09 01:41

      Perhaps but you would not say that if you were a Zimbabwean of from Somalia. The thing this with a 50% youth unemployment in South Africa and a 35% unofficial employment rate do not think that South Africa is immune to this. With an already violent culture in the country and an inefficient police force the backlash could be catastrophic. The thing is no one knows when it is going to happen; similar to the xenophobic attacks and that is the scary part. What is the population going to do when unemployment gets worse as result of a weak government and nationalisation fails them ? More broken promises can only have a disastrous effect. At the moment the immigrants are being blamed and victimized but will this always be the case ? Don't be complacent.

      Joe - 2011-08-09 01:42

      you mean 'safe'? you must be drunk, or stupid, to refer to south africa as 'safe'.

      AJ - 2011-08-09 14:35

      I'm confused, how does crime on the other side of the world increase safety here? Oh, you mean the illusion that we are in danger is lessened by us reveling in crime from other countries? Oh, now I get, wait, I still dont..

  • Datbrotherfromthestates - 2011-08-09 01:30


      Doublepost - 2011-08-09 01:32

      The Rioters should go.

      Lou_is - 2011-08-09 05:35

      Brother, I feel about your comments the same way I feel about comments from Australia, NZ and the UK about South Africa. You have nothing to say. It is our problems. You are just like so many expats. So butt out of our internal problems with your Yankee attitude. At least we are trying to change in South Africa. In the States you are just a bunch of racists that window dress.

      Kraut - 2011-08-09 17:41

      you're just another TROLL !!

      Kraut - 2011-08-09 17:43


      Elizabeth - 2011-08-09 19:20

      @Datbrotherfromthestates - as per my comment earlier: you so are not from the States! You called yourself a black American - the correct term is African American! Just ask any true African American. Then: your reply times are during South African day times but American night times. So you're most probably living in South Africa (or somewhere else in Africa) and can only dream about visiting the USA.

  • marco - 2011-08-09 01:38

    Yeah it's called rioting and civil unrest in London where I live caused by thugs or vandals or anarchist and what have you,and yet in Libya,Syria,Yemen,Tunisia,Egypt,Bahrain and Oman the exact same behaviour is called peaceful demonstrations by demonstrators that needs a UN Security Council Resolution and a NATO intervention.So what happened in The Arab world and what's now happening in a Bigwig city of the West,ie London,draws different global attention from the media, especially Western journalist.Poverty,unemployment,insufficient transparency regarding government corruption in Rupert Murdoch's debacle and the News Of The World phone hacking scandal K@K,police violations,dissatisfied youth,increasing food prices don't seem to be the significant factor that gets highlighted by the British Media does it? Why the double standards in reporting these K@K events in London as to when they.the Media,reported on the s**t in the Arab World?One has to WONDER WHY?

  • ian - 2011-08-09 04:04

    ok england show us your might, bring in the military and show these delinqents the true meaning of the word 'POWER' Flatten the punks

      Howzitekse - 2011-08-09 05:48

      Like Gaddafi? Then France will have to go in and bomb 10 Downing Street. What a joke. These are the guys who said SA was not fit to host the WC football. Pride comes before a fall. Run back and put out the fires Mr. Cameron.

      Komasa - 2011-08-09 07:17

      They can't sort Afghanistan and Iraq out, maybe they would have chance against unarmed rioters.

      Komasa - 2011-08-09 07:20

      @ian i suppose they would be justified in 'flattening the punks' because their situation is different to that of Libya.

      ian - 2011-08-09 08:00

      @komosa, unarmed civilians, oh really, private businesses being burned, police officers being attacked with make shift weapons, public transport being burned, unarmned civilians my ass, hit them from the air as well if necessary, just because they dont work (probally due to laziness) noone else must work either, sounds strangely familiar, typical african mindset

      Komasa - 2011-08-09 09:21

      @ian not the african mindset but the colonial justification of their immoral actions.

  • Nigel - 2011-08-09 05:59

    It's only fare people haire their views unemployment is not a joke but there is better ways to takle it.

      AJ - 2011-08-09 14:46

      Yeah, studying at school is a good way to tackle unemployment. Acting the 'gangsta', not so much...

  • horsefly9 - 2011-08-09 06:08

    Barney the Dinosaur should be punished for this.

  • Ya Beauty! - 2011-08-09 06:21

    Rising cost of living, high unemployement,no growth in the economy therin lies the problem its the beginning of the end for western countries and its not even winter yet when costs will rise watch this space its only going to get worse its a boiling pot. People are suffering out there, count yourselves lucky to be in SA as its only going to worse for these countries as they continue to borrow.....

  • Maars - 2011-08-09 06:49

    Strange Malema has not opened his mouth on this - thought the ANCYL would have invaded Brittian by now !

      Ross - 2011-08-09 11:05

      @ Maars. Please leave General, Field Marshall, Doctor, Dada, Julius Malema VC, Master of the Universe and leader of all life on earth and in the sea out of this.

  • Jacque - 2011-08-09 06:56

    This is why I left the UK and returned home to South Africa. The youth there have NO respect for anything. See what happens when you remove corporal punishment from schools? The bottom end of society falls out. Let's hope this is a wake up call to the softy softy approach of the police and teachers. Bring back the cane!!

      tryanything - 2011-08-09 07:25

      Rather bring me my machine gun....

      Brigitte - 2011-08-09 08:11

      Bring back morals! Bring back teaching the 10 commandments! Bring back discipline both at school and in the home! Bring back Maggie Thatcher.....

      Stinkhout - 2011-08-09 08:54

      Have to agree with Jacque. These rioters or rather criminals came from a feeble school system. And they will become even worst parents feeding more misfits into the schooling systems. Generations to come will suffer the consequences of bad decisions by government. BUT, they are a minority and will be caught and will be brought to justice in the UK.

      John Wilderness - 2011-08-09 08:55

      What you mean bring back Thatcher ? That bag created all of this.

      AJ - 2011-08-09 14:47

      Out of the frying pan, into the fire, Jacque?

  • Spud - 2011-08-09 07:09

    They knocked us (for no reason) before the FIFA World Cup. They can kill innocent Iraqis but can't protect their own citizens' property. Great Britain is not so great. Bring the Olympics to Durban!

  • Mybra - 2011-08-09 07:48

    Amazing how the "rainbow nation" is obessed with race. We should be concerned about what will make this country and its people live together in harmony.

      Komasa - 2011-08-09 09:27

      @Dan Grey no one told you the 'Cold War' is over, you guy's are now attacking muslims, they call it 'The War on Terror'.

      Komasa - 2011-08-09 09:31

      When you are finished with the muslims maybe you can revive 'Die Swart Gevaar'.

  • Lekker Jan - 2011-08-09 07:51

    "The violence we've seen, the looting we've seen, the thuggery we've seen, this is sheer criminality... these people will be brought to justice, they will be made to face the consequences of their actions," This sounds just like that guy in Syria...

  • Worker - 2011-08-09 08:08

    Enoch Powell warned the Brits! The price of allowing anyone in to the country is heavy.

      Komasa - 2011-08-09 09:29

      Enoch Powell and George W Bush were at 'donkey tech' together.

  • andrea.turnersciarappa - 2011-08-09 08:09

    @Marco: I think the levels of reporting are based on what that society has become accustomed to and what still shocks them. @NZDreamer: Leave SA out if it please! The only possible influence we could have had is that the rioters copied the naughty ones in our society. Now all they need to do is learn to dance and sing whilst they're angry... Oh and just so you know, we don't have riots here anymore; they're called strikes and have become part of the negotiation process because we are in Africa and there's nowhere else like it :-)

  • Dan Grey - 2011-08-09 08:19

    Let’s look at political correctness analytically, if we look at it historically, we quickly find out exactly what it is. Political Correctness is cultural Marxism. It is Marxism translated from economic into cultural terms. It is an effort that goes back not to the 1960s and the hippies and the peace movement, but back to World War I. If we compare the basic tenets of Political Correctness with classical Marxism the parallels are very obvious. The cultural Marxism of Political Correctness, like economic Marxism, has a single factor explanation of history. Economic Marxism says that all of history is determined by ownership of means of production. Cultural Marxism, or Political Correctness, says that all history is determined by power, by which groups defined in terms of race, sex, etc., have power over which other groups continued..

  • Dan Grey - 2011-08-09 08:20

    Second just as in classical economic Marxism certain groups, i.e. workers and peasants, are a priori good, and other groups, i.e., the bourgeoisie and capital owners, are evil. In the cultural Marxism of Political Correctness certain groups are good – feminist women, (only feminist women, non-feminist women are deemed not to exist) blacks, Hispanics, homosexuals. These groups are determined to be “victims,” and therefore automatically good regardless of what any of them do. Similarly, white males are determined automatically to be evil, thereby becoming the equivalent of the bourgeoisie in economic Marxism. Third, both economic and cultural Marxism rely on expropriation. When the classical Marxists, the communists, took over a country like Russia, they expropriated the bourgeoisie, they took away their property.

      Dan Grey - 2011-08-09 08:21

      . Similarly, when the cultural Marxists take over a university campus, they expropriate through things like quotas for admissions. When a white student with superior qualifications is denied admittance to a college in favor of a black or Hispanic who isn’t as well qualified, the white student is expropriated. And indeed, affirmative action, in our whole society today, is a system of expropriation. White owned companies don’t get a contract because the contract is reserved for a company owned by, say, Hispanics or women. So expropriation is a principle tool for both forms of Marxism. And finally, both have a method of analysis that automatically gives the answers they want. For the classical Marxist, it’s Marxist economics. For the cultural Marxist, it’s deconstruction. Deconstruction essentially takes any text, removes all meaning from it and re-inserts any meaning desired. So we find, for example, that all of Shakespeare is about the suppression of women, or the Bible is really about race and gender.

      Dan Grey - 2011-08-09 08:22

      All of these texts simply become grist for the mill, which proves that “all history is about which groups have power over which other groups.” So the parallels are very evident between the classical Marxism that we’re familiar with in the old Soviet Union and the cultural Marxism that we see today as Political Correctness. But the parallels are not accidents. The parallels did not come from nothing. The fact of the matter is that Political Correctness has a history, a history that is much longer than many people are aware of outside a small group of academics who have studied this.

      Dan Grey - 2011-08-09 08:22

      And the history goes back, as I said, to World War I, as do so many of the pathologies that are today bringing our society, and indeed our culture, down. Marxist theory said that when the general European war came (as it did come in Europe in 1914), the working class throughout Europe would rise up and overthrow their governments – the bourgeois governments – because the workers had more in common with each other across the national boundaries than they had in common with the bourgeoisie and the ruling class in their own country. Well, 1914 came and it didn’t happen. Throughout Europe, workers rallied to their flag and happily marched off to fight each other. The Kaiser shook hands with the leaders of the Marxist Social Democratic Party in Germany and said there are no parties now, there are only Germans. And this happened in every country in Europe. So something was wrong.

      Dan Grey - 2011-08-09 08:23

      Marxists knew by definition it couldn’t be the theory. In 1917, they finally got a Marxist coup in Russia and it looked like the theory was working, but it stalled again. It didn’t spread and when attempts were made to spread immediately after the war, with the Spartacist uprising in Berlin, with the Bela Kun government in Hungary, with the Munich Soviet, the workers didn’t support them. So the Marxists’ had a problem. And two Marxist theorists went to work on it: Antonio Gramsci in Italy and Georg Lukacs in Hungary. Gramsci said the workers will never see their true class interests, as defined by Marxism, until they are freed from Western culture, and particularly from the Christian religion – that they are blinded by culture and religion to their true class interests.

      Dan Grey - 2011-08-09 08:24

      . Lukacs, who was considered the most brilliant Marxist theorist since Marx himself, said in 1919, “Who will save us from Western Civilization?” He also theorized that the great obstacle to the creation of a Marxist paradise was the culture: Western civilization itself. Lukacs gets a chance to put his ideas into practice, because when the home grown Bolshevik Bela Kun government is established in Hungary in 1919, he becomes deputy commissar for culture, and the first thing he did was introduce sex education into the Hungarian schools. This ensured that the workers would not support the Bela Kun government, because the Hungarian people looked at this aghast, workers as well as everyone else.

      Dan Grey - 2011-08-09 08:31

      . But he had already made the connection that today many of us are still surprised by, that we would consider the “latest thing.” In 1923 in Germany, a think-tank is established that takes on the role of translating Marxism from economic into cultural terms, that creates Political Correctness as we know it today, and essentially it has created the basis for it by the end of the 1930s. This comes about because the very wealthy young son of a millionaire German trader by the name of Felix Weil has become a Marxist and has lots of money to spend. He is disturbed by the divisions among the Marxists, so he sponsors something called the First Marxist Work Week, where he brings Lukacs and many of the key German thinkers together for a week, working on the differences of Marxism

      Dan Grey - 2011-08-09 08:31

      And he says, “What we need is a think-tank.” Washington is full of think tanks and we think of them as very modern. In fact they go back quite a ways. He endows an institute, associated with Frankfurt University, established in 1923, that was originally supposed to be known as the Institute for Marxism. But the people behind it decided at the beginning that it was not to their advantage to be openly identified as Marxist. The last thing Political Correctness wants is for people to figure out it’s a form of Marxism. So instead they decide to name it the Institute for Social Research. Weil is very clear about his goals. In 1971, he wrote to Martin Jay the author of a principle book on the Frankfurt School, as the Institute for Social Research soon becomes known informally, and he said, “I wanted the institute to become known, perhaps famous, due to its contributions to Marxism.”

      Dan Grey - 2011-08-09 08:32

      .” Well, he was successful. The first director of the Institute, Carl Grunberg, an Austrian economist, concluded his opening address, according to Martin Jay, “by clearly stating his personal allegiance to Marxism as a scientific methodology.” Marxism, he said, would be the ruling principle at the Institute, and that never changed. The initial work at the Institute was rather conventional, but in 1930 it acquired a new director named Max Horkheimer, and Horkheimer’s views were very different. He was very much a Marxist renegade. The people who create and form the Frankfurt School are renegade Marxists. They’re still very much Marxist in their thinking, but they’re effectively run out of the party. Moscow looks at what they are doing and says, “Hey, this isn’t us, and we’re not going to bless this.”

      Dan Grey - 2011-08-09 08:33

      Horkheimer’s initial heresy is that he is very interested in Freud, and the key to making the translation of Marxism from economic into cultural terms is essentially that he combined it with Freudism. Again, Martin Jay writes, “If it can be said that in the early years of its history, the Institute concerned itself primarily with an analysis of bourgeois society’s socio-economic sub-structure,” – and I point out that Jay is very sympathetic to the Frankfurt School, I’m not reading from a critic here – “in the years after 1930 its primary interests lay in its cultural superstructure. Indeed the traditional Marxist formula regarding the relationship between the two was brought into question by Critical Theory.” The stuff we’ve been hearing about this morning – the radical feminism, the women’s studies departments, the gay studies departments, the black studies departments – all these things are branches of Critical Theory.

      Dan Grey - 2011-08-09 08:33

      . What the Frankfurt School essentially does is draw on both Marx and Freud in the 1930s to create this theory called Critical Theory. The term is ingenious because you’re tempted to ask, “What is the theory?” The theory is to criticize. The theory is that the way to bring down Western culture and the capitalist order is not to lay down an alternative. They explicitly refuse to do that. They say it can’t be done, that we can’t imagine what a free society would look like (their definition of a free society). As long as we’re living under repression – the repression of a capitalistic economic order which creates (in their theory) the Freudian condition, the conditions that Freud describes in individuals of repression – we can’t even imagine it. What Critical Theory is about is simply criticizing. It calls for the most destructive criticism possible, in every possible way, designed to bring the current order down. And, of course, when we hear from the feminists that the whole of society is just out to get women and so on, that kind of criticism is a derivative of Critical Theory. It is all coming from the 1930s, not the 1960s.

      Dan Grey - 2011-08-09 08:34

      Other key members who join up around this time are Theodore Adorno, and, most importantly, Erich Fromm and Herbert Marcuse. Fromm and Marcuse introduce an element which is central to Political Correctness, and that’s the sexual element. And particularly Marcuse, who in his own writings calls for a society of “polymorphous perversity,” that is his definition of the future of the world that they want to create. Marcuse in particular by the 1930s is writing some very extreme stuff on the need for sexual liberation, but this runs through the whole Institute. So do most of the themes we see in Political Correctness, again in the early 30s. In Fromm’s view, masculinity and femininity were not reflections of ‘essential’ sexual differences, as the Romantics had thought. They were derived instead from differences in life functions, which were in part socially determined.” Sex is a construct; sexual differences are a construct.

      Dan Grey - 2011-08-09 08:34

      Another example is the emphasis we now see on environmentalism. “Materialism as far back as Hobbes had led to a manipulative dominating attitude toward nature.” That was Horkhemier writing in 1933 in Materialismus und Moral. “The theme of man’s domination of nature,” according to Jay, ” was to become a central concern of the Frankfurt School in subsequent years.” “Horkheimer’s antagonism to the fetishization of labor, (here’s were they’re obviously departing from Marxist orthodoxy) expressed another dimension of his materialism, the demand for human, sensual happiness.” In one of his most trenchant essays, Egoism and the Movement for Emancipation, written in 1936, Horkeimer “discussed the hostility to personal gratification inherent in bourgeois culture.” And he specifically referred to the Marquis de Sade, favorably, for his “protest…against asceticism in the name of a higher morality.”

      Dan Grey - 2011-08-09 08:35

      How does all of this stuff flood in here? How does it flood into our universities, and indeed into our lives today? The members of the Frankfurt School are Marxist. In 1933 the Nazis came to power in Germany, and not surprisingly they shut down the Institute for Social Research. And its members fled. They fled to New York City, and the Institute was reestablished there in 1933 with help from Columbia University. And the members of the Institute, gradually through the 1930s, though many of them remained writing in German, shift their focus from Critical Theory about German society, destructive criticism about every aspect of that society, to Critical Theory directed toward American society. There is another very important transition when the war comes. Some of them go to work for the government, including Herbert Marcuse, who became a key figure in the OSS (the predecessor to the CIA), and some, including Horkheimer and Adorno, move to Hollywood.

      Dan Grey - 2011-08-09 08:36

      These origins of Political Correctness would probably not mean too much to us today except for two subsequent events. The first was the student rebellion in the mid-1960s, which was driven largely by resistance to the draft and the Vietnam War. But the student rebels needed theory of some sort. They couldn’t just get out there and say, “Hell no we won’t go,” they had to have some theoretical explanation behind it. Very few of them were interested in wading through Das Kapital. Classical, economic Marxism is not light, and most of the radicals of the 60s were not deep. Fortunately for them, and unfortunately for our country today, and not just in the university, Herbert Marcuse remained in America when the Frankfurt School relocated back to Frankfurt after the war. And whereas Mr. Adorno in Germany is appalled by the student rebellion when it breaks out there – when the student rebels come into Adorno’s classroom, he calls the police and has them arrested – Herbert Marcuse, who remained here, saw the 60s student rebellion as the great chance. He saw the opportunity to take the work of the Frankfurt School and make it the theory of the New Left in the United States.

      Dan Grey - 2011-08-09 08:38

      In conclusion, America today is in the throes of the greatest and direst transformation in its history. We are becoming an ideological state, a country with an official state ideology enforced by the power of the state. In “hate crimes” we now have people serving jail sentences for political thoughts. And the Congress is now moving to expand that category ever further. Affirmative action is part of it. The terror against anyone who dissents from Political Correctness on campus is part of it. It’s exactly what we have seen happen in Russia, in Germany, in Italy, in China, and now it’s coming here. And we don’t recognize it because we call it Political Correctness and laugh it off. My message today is that it’s not funny, it’s here, it’s growing and it will eventually destroy, as it seeks to destroy, everything that we have ever defined as our freedom and our culture. ................ This is why South Africa is so important to the cultural Marxists. It is seen as the flagship of multiculturalism and this is why the rainbow nation must not be allowed to fail. Even if the truth is glaringly obvious, the media will lie and condition people through propaganda to belief the political correct lie.

      Dan Grey - 2011-08-09 08:49

      People need to understand that Marxism is an instrument of war and its sole purpose is to subvert an enemy without having to fire a single shot. There is a reason why 3rd world immigration is encouraged into 1st world countries. There is a reason why educated whites from South Africa struggle to immigrate to England for instance, but uneducated blacks are allowed in almost at will. There is a reason the bankers of the world give food aid to Africa, as it enables the people to multiply and these people will be their future cultural revolutionaries. The whole Western world is under attack by these Marxists, but people have become to dumbed down to even realize this. Please read the complete link provided in the first post, educate yourself and make other people aware.

      Dan Grey - 2011-08-09 08:54

      Marxism is alive and well. It has transformed itself from economic Marxism to cultural Marxism and today it masquerades as liberalism. This is why the Russian, Lenin remarked that liberals are useful idiots. They are liberal, (the brotherly love, one blood, clap trap) but they do not understand the origins, nor do they have any clue as to the intended objective, which is the destruction of all the Western societies.

      Komasa - 2011-08-09 09:57

      Dan Grey you have an obsession with Marxists and a very onesided one at that. If affirmative action is a system of expropiation what then is colonialism of which there is no mention in your written speeches. We are tired of having western culture and christianity pushed down our throats, lets us be and the world will be a better place. You must have your Potchefstroom University degree upgraded.

      Dan Grey - 2011-08-09 12:02

      Yet I notice that you state no facts to counter mine. I state merely the facts. Watch the following Youtube videos and become educated. 1) The following video is abou Yuri Bezmenov, a KGB defector. and a more important one is about the Frankfurt school of Marxism. 2) ........ I find it amusing that you should call these facts an obsession, because without you knowing it, you have applied the Frankfurt school of Marxism's critical theory. hahahaha

      Dan Grey - 2011-08-09 12:04

      @Komasa You are a mere pawn in a game that you do not understand nor comprehend.

      Komasa - 2011-08-09 13:06

      Dan Grey if you dissected western culture as you have done marxism you would find parallels on both sides, for me to debate this with you will make us both losers.

      Dan Grey - 2011-08-10 12:07

      So why don't you dissect Western culture for us and then we can see whether your facts are facts or mere myth.

      Dan Grey - 2011-08-10 12:08

      The facts are clear. Western culture is under attack. Blacks are not the originators of this attack, they are merely the pawns. They do not really feature at all, except as cannon fodder.

  • Zee - 2011-08-09 08:35

    My word, problems in Britain have made News 24 commmentators and readers turn against one-another. Anything thats published is turned into an ugly racial spat.

      Anton - 2011-08-09 10:24

      Dan Grey, Many thanks for your book. Again a FOREIGNER , who believes Africans are dumb, and can't think for themselves. Mao had his little RED book! Gaddafi has his little pathetic GREEN book!! And now Dan Grey comes with his internet book!!!!!!! Besides; History is all very nice and interesting, but has hardly , or even NO , influence on a country's present and future !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      Lanfear - 2011-08-10 12:00

      Yup, sad that the comments on here [and other newspapers] are all geared toward hatred, racism and negative critique. @ Anton - plain and simple, you are wrong. Historical events play a major role in the present, which in turn determines the future.

  • errol.wagner - 2011-08-09 08:40

    Why is this happening? Just read Romans 1 verses 28-32 - that describes the disintegration of a society. And then read from verse 18-27 and you will see that this is what happens when society rejects the only true God, the Creator of all things.

      FiveAssedMonkey - 2011-08-09 09:05

      Oh ffs! Civil unrest has been going on millenia, irrespective of which imaginary friend you have. Save the bible quotes for another column.

  • Jim - 2011-08-09 08:42

    Pussyfooted, Nanny State Police force. It's pathetic how this was even allowed to escalate to this level. A loud megaphone, TV announcements "Anyone found on the streets in 45 minutes will be shot". PLain and simple. Zero Tolerance.

  • bernard.lesch - 2011-08-09 08:54

    Send that people back to their homelands, don't know why the British people are so tolerant towards people that don't even belong there!

      Kunta-Kinte - 2011-08-09 09:25

      Couldn't it be because there are British in America, Australia, New Zealand, Kenya, Singapore, Malaysia, Hong Kong, Singapore, West Indies, South Africa, Indonesia, etc.

      Kunta-Kinte - 2011-08-09 10:08

      Should the British and their descendents in these countries be sent home as well?

      moiraine - 2011-08-09 13:11

      Actually Kunta, have you listened to Malema and his cronies lately. THat is exactly what he wants.

      Kunta-Kinte - 2011-08-09 14:37

      And bernard it seems.

      John Wilderness - 2011-08-10 02:11

      Fine America,Australia, Africa, singapore, china etc can send all the Brits back as well. And BP that pollutes the oceans, destroys peoples livelihoods and make $Billion profits in a year, chuck that blood sucker back on to that soggy island where it belongs.

      Lanfear - 2011-08-10 11:15

      @ John Wilderness - oh please, stop hammering on BP. As if they're the only oil/petroleum company in the world. ALL of those companies are bloodsuckers and world-market manipulators. And of course they are all detrimental to the environment as well. Why don't you stop complaining and make a difference? Drive less, assist with [work, funding, support] the development of the electric car for example.

      John Wilderness - 2011-08-11 02:38

      @Lanfear. why don't you get a life and some vision to see how your free trade capitalist world is fast going down the vomit bucket ? BP along with many other multi nationals are responsible for the chaotic mess we all in now. You so blind that you don't even know that electric cars have been developed and tested over the last thirty years and is already on the market.

  • cruise_fly - 2011-08-09 09:26

    UK!! Welcome to affirmative shopping

  • FiveAssedMonkey - 2011-08-09 09:30

    Great, So 12 years of the Labour government and its rampant Marxist liberal, multicultural polices leads to the immigration flood gates being thrown open and allowing people who had no intention of contributing or integrating with British society being allowed into the country. Combine this with the generous handouts and grants that these people have received for literally doing nothing it led to further influxes of human parasites looking for work which the economy just couldn't possibly have sustained. So now you have people who you can't legally get rid of and have no intention of contributing either, yet expect the rest of society to support them with their hard paid taxes, grants, welfare and housing. However, when the opportunity presents itself you have "multi-ethic youths" rioting through the streets and the spineless media telling everyone how the guy you just saw hauling a £60,000 worth of electronics down the street "had to do it" because of their dire situation. So why if the situation is so dire don't you see more food being stolen? Surely you must eat before having the latest in consumer electronics? Why were a great number of sporting goods stores picked clean while other, let's just say "more sensible" clothing stores right across the road was left alone? (cont...)

      FiveAssedMonkey - 2011-08-09 09:31

      Okay, i'll talk about the elephant in the room! Because it's in their culture. They are just once again exploiting the weakness in civil society to parasitise off hard working folk and get something for nothing. There are images on SkyNews of a woman in here 50s I guess and a mother apparently too, stopping outside a store after she participated in a looting to open up the 5 boxes of shoes she "needed". Youth cannot be blamed for this, culture can be.

      Komasa - 2011-08-09 10:31

      Western culture brought the west indians, indians and pakistani's to the UK in the 1960's because western culture did not allow you to do menial jobs like sweeping the streets and refuse collection. They then surpassed the average white pomm by becoming doctors, lawyers and accountants, so you then you allowed a further influx of foreigners to do those menial jobs. The lesson to be learnt is that 'westurn culture should wipe it's own a@%e and not expect some darkie to do it'.

      John Wilderness - 2011-08-10 02:14

      Maybe the developing world can rid itself of bloodsuckers like BP etc that does nothing for the countries they pump oil out of except destroy livelihoods, natural environments and the social fabric.

      Lanfear - 2011-08-10 11:11

      @ Komasa - huh? Do you even have any IDEA of history? You don't even know your own country's history now you want to claim knowledge of European history? LOL! Oh man, you've made my morning by providing a good laugh!

  • gatvol4corru - 2011-08-09 09:36

    Sign of a leader! NOt Jacob -- rather keeps quite and travel the world with his 7 wifes and 25 kids on SA taxpayers money! Leaving idiot Malema to run the show! His puppy-dog will still bite his ANC

  • Komasa - 2011-08-09 09:41

    The outbreak of violence has come as an embarrassment to those die hard colonials so we now have to throw the race card at it. Europe economically is finished and no black man is to blame for that, so I sugest you take a hard look at yourselves and face the reality, 'Capitalism is on a life support System'. Someone please pull out the plug.

      Kunta-Kinte - 2011-08-09 10:06

      Europe was able in the past to maintain a comfortable lifestyle by exploiting others. Portugal was a backward country in the 1500s until they started slavery and colonialism etc. Now that the stealing is impossible, it will be time for Europeans to work like dogs. The Capitalist are unable to reserve exploitation to only non whites and the surplus they derived from exploiting non whites is not there any more and hence they haven't thought twice about exploiting their own kind, a return to the feudal Europe.

      FiveAssedMonkey - 2011-08-09 10:14

      Hmmmm, Actually England is doing pretty well compared to the economic condition of the rest of Europe & the US and in fact up until recently they've been already been practicing a wildly successful brand of social Marxism which is part of the reason there's such a problem today and why America is headed straight to the crapper as well. If it weren't for these policies these people wouldn't even be there in the first place. There's no reason to throw in any race card. Look at the composition of the people doing the rioting, understand their communities, understand their backgrounds and you'll see the problem is not race. It's a history of allowing unchecked immigration far beyond what the country can naturally support (leading to unemployment) and allowing people into the country who do not want to integrate (leading to ghetto type communities). It's a vicious cycle and one that is happening in SA very quickly. Capitalism is the entity providing the life-support to these people here, not the other way round.

      John Wilderness - 2011-08-10 02:16

      Maybe the developing world can rid itself of bloodsuckers like BP etc that does nothing for the countries they pump oil out of except destroy livelihoods, natural environments and the social fabric.

      AJ - 2011-08-10 04:56

      @John Wilderness: or the countries that BP pumps oil out of (with signed agreements) do absolutely nothing with the large amount of money that BP and others pay over for the right to mine, and instead misappropriate or waste the revenues that could be spent uplifting the people. If I ran a poor country, I would see a large multi-national as the cure to a lot of ills, not a cancer. I am not sure why you expect so little of government and so much of BP? It seems you want BP to perform both functions whilst govt can sit around doing nothing? There is an onus on govt to fulfill a mandate, which we cannot overlook.

      Lanfear - 2011-08-10 11:08

      Stop gloating at the US and Europe's economic difficulties, it is affecting the whole world and affecting us here in SA as well. Shame on you, are you really so low? And next you will applaud China again, lol, I pity you on the day that China takes over... you have no IDEA what Africa is letting itself in for. @ Kunta-Kinte - ok, time to feed the trolls. Hehe, your ignorance is astounding. Next you will preach Marxist communism? The very thing that destroyed eastern Europe and brought about the death [starvation] of 60 million Chinese? This country's ANC government [and many others of course] are all narcissist, greedy, bloated CAPATALISTS.

      John Wilderness - 2011-08-11 02:32

      @AJ BP knows very well what they are paying for when they give money to corrupt African officials. BP willing gives money to these slime balls because these slime balls protect BP's extraction rights. Infact Shell is so deep in the Nigerian government that the government officials do nothing except act on the command of Shell. Why is Texaco, Mobile Exxon support a despicable person lie Oniang Nguema (Equatorial's president for life). These bloodsucking oil companies are in choots with corrupt government officials while the ordinary african suffers. Large multi nationals have been nothing but a curse all over the globe.

  • Kunta-Kinte - 2011-08-09 09:58

    The bankers and the insurance companies have done their stealing, let ordinary folk experience how this bailout works.

      Anton - 2011-08-09 10:29

      Kunta-Kinte I am sure, your radical buddies have been missing your comments; Full of racism and full of hatred for whites !!!!!!! You made their day !!

      Kunta-Kinte - 2011-08-09 11:33

      Call it schadenfreude, racism not.

      John Wilderness - 2011-08-10 02:19

      @Anton - Exposing western corruption and exploitation = hatred for whites ??? Somebodies rectum must be pretty painful after trying to squeeze that race card out ? How about using the race card on your buddies that want to turn the riots into a black induced problem when we know so well that there are many white london born brits involved in creating the carnage.

  • Jakob - 2011-08-09 10:49

    London is burning, let the motherf

  • Left Screwed - 2011-08-09 10:55

    Come on Malema, take credit for the riots. They are the colonialist and where all the wealth from mines of South Africa is going, Remember?

  • DeonOlivier - 2011-08-09 11:17

    the lefties are very quiet all of a sudden. Send them back to pakistan and africa preferably to a nice country like Sudan or the DRC where this type of behavior is normal

      ventersdorp - 2011-08-09 16:13

      You dont know anything about DRC so shut the F*** up!

      John Wilderness - 2011-08-11 02:26

      why should they be sent back ? Many of those involved in causing the mayhem were white brits while many involved in the cleanup and police aiding were blacks, pakistani's etc. Go chuck your race card into the sea.

  • david - 2011-08-09 11:25

    Anyone remember the nursery rhyme "London's Burning"?

  • Lo - 2011-08-09 12:04

  • Lo - 2011-08-09 12:12

    "The police have become so sensitive to the issue of race that it is impairing their ability to do the job." - UK Daily Telegraph

  • Lo - 2011-08-09 12:49

    Canadians also have to pay diversity tax ------>

  • deTruth - 2011-08-09 13:08

    then what are all south africans doing ther, i think its worse the south africa

  • deTruth - 2011-08-09 13:09

    whats happening there is worse< plus the weather aint nice to

  • flummoxed - 2011-08-09 15:23

    Should send General Cele in..

  • Erich - 2011-08-09 15:46

    Ya well, if you allow a lot of non-Europeans into your country, who refuse to work and demands... You had it coming

  • Deon - 2011-08-09 16:11

    Does anyone remember the violent,wife-beating, DUI-ing addict named Rodney King? This whole London debacle reminds me about the LA riots.Can't believe I have to go back there for one more week. G.du Plessis, there are many white kids involved, but the are primarily of the "darker skinned variety", and keeping demographics in mind the looters are overwhelmingly black. Don't try to hide it. Brotherfromdastates. Do not confine your thoughts on Afrikaners to the negative. Compare SA to the rest of SA or Haiti, and bend down on your knees and kiss some Afrikaner feet to thank them. Get yourself an abacus to count. More whites are killed every year by blacks in SA than blacks were killed the entire period since 1948. Then look at it percentage wise. Don't compare ware to civil disobedience and plain senseless barbarism.

      ventersdorp - 2011-08-09 16:33

      What exactly should we thank Afrikaners for? for not managing to wipe out the entire South African black population like the Australians did to the Aborigines? The reality is that we never asked you for anything,we did not invite you here, you guys were not wanted in Europe ( I wonder why?) and you are not wanted here either.

      Deon - 2011-08-09 21:09

      O gosh - true mudhutman mentality. Read the history and see for yourself how we ended up here. Go live in a mud hut again, or go live in Haiti, the 300 year old free and black governed country. A mess, like everywhere the mudhutters rule. Wiping out the black population. No one wiped you out. Instead we gave you medicines etc and helped you while you were/are busy with uncontrolled fornication. Wipe out??? Are you for real. You multiplied.

      Zee - 2011-08-10 09:05

      Thank Afrikaners and kiss their feet - LOL. Lay off the crack there Deon.

      John Wilderness - 2011-08-11 02:23

      Afrikaners cannot even help themselve's. After controlling the country for half a decade with access to a load of resources and free labour all they could only create was a toilet banana republic while WWII damaged britian, germany, Japan built economic power houses. that is why today all they have left is a piece of dust called Oranje.

  • domsie - 2011-08-09 17:15

    They should cut the hippy sh*t, strap on a helmet & start shooting – Ari Gold

  • Janine - 2011-08-09 17:50

    I've read some of the comments and am not surprised to see that South Africans have managed to make this into a racial thing. Sigh.

  • Misan Thrope - 2011-08-09 20:04

    "as London burns" - is hardly the case. London burned during the Blitz but to imply the same level of damage now is silly. Pathetic headline!

  • Reenboogmonster - 2011-08-10 08:40

    There are these lovely things called rubber bullets...

  • preshengovender69 - 2011-08-10 09:02

    They need Chuck Norris