France, allies mulling Syria no-fly zone

2012-09-22 13:17

Washington - France is still discussing with allies whether to try to set up a no-fly zone in Syria to help rebels under assault from regime forces, a top French official said Friday.

"We are working, but not only us, a lot of countries are working on the issue of a no-fly zone, but for the moment it is clear that it's very difficult to set up for several reasons," he said during a visit to Washington.

"We are talking with all our partners, with the Turks, with the Americans, with the Brits, with others," said the official, who asked not to be named.

But for the moment no decision had been taken, he said, stressing any such move would also need approval from the UN Security Council, where it would likely encounter stiff resistance from veto-bearing nations Russia and China.

"It is a very complex decision for legal reasons and for practical reasons," the French official stressed.

"The military assessment is that this is extremely complicated. This has to be looked at very carefully by the Pentagon, by our military people, the British military, the Turks."

Any such partial no-fly zone over Syria would be implemented for humanitarian reasons to help Syrians displaced inside the country as they seek to escape the bloody conflict which has claimed an estimated 29 000 lives, according to Syrian rights monitors.

During a visit to Beirut last week, French Defence Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian ruled out sending weapons to the Syrian opposition or trying to set up a no-fly zone.

"A no-fly zone over all of Syria, or even over a part of it, would mean mobilizing such large means that we would be in a war situation," he said.

US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton was asked during a trip to Turkey last month whether operational planning being conducted by Washington and its allies included a possible no-fly zone to protect Syrian civilians.

"The issues you posed in your question are exactly the ones the minister and I agreed need greater in-depth analysis," she said in Istanbul.

"It is one thing to talk about all kinds of potential actions, but you cannot make reasoned decisions without doing intense analysis and operational planning," she added.

  • AnthonyfromAfrica - 2012-09-22 13:55

    At least one country which stands up against assad's murderous terrorists army. These criminal thugs must be stopped killing the Syrian population !!!

      omo.naija.750 - 2012-09-22 16:06

      And the French are saints who have never harmed a soul.Yeah right!

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-09-22 17:27

      That's a child's view Omonaija. There's dark and light in everything.

  • fidel.mgoqi - 2012-09-22 14:21

    If there was any concern about "humanitarian reasons", western leaders would have tried their best to find a diplomatic solution to this crisis. Not a single avenue to a peaceful resolution has been explored. In fact, they have even gone out of their way to prevent others, like the previous UN Peace envoy, Iran and Russia from trying. Congratulations to Russia and China. I hope they will continue their good work and prevent another "No-Fly Zone" resolution turned into a "Bombing-zone" resolution.

      gerhard.kress.3 - 2012-09-22 18:10

      Assad never looked for a peaceful negotiations for more than a year. So what are you talking about?

      joseph.motloung.3 - 2012-09-23 21:28

      Its unfathomable that the west honestly care about the people of Syria otherwise they wouldn't be providing support to their proxies in Syria who are mainly Al-qaeda affiliates to sabotage the country. The "no fly zone" in Libya brought about the destruction of Libya and the rampant killing of black people in Libya and there was no condemnation from the west. Shows that they don't consider blacks as human beings. Now they want to impose the same "no fly zone" to also bring about the same destruction in Syria. Fortunately countries like China and Russia whose leaders have a conscience will not allow that. That they are calling for a no fly zone shows that their sponsored terrorists are loosing just like president Assad said

      phillip.havenga - 2012-09-23 21:45

      fidel, Russia and China? Two of the countries responsible for atrocious human rights violations and China is responsible for atrocious animal abuse as well, if those are the countries you look up to then you need your head read.

  • bheki.moyo.39 - 2012-09-22 14:27

    Let china and russia say what ever they feel like saying but UN has to intervene one way or the other.

      AnthonyfromAfrica - 2012-09-22 14:37

      So true, Russia is worried it is going to loose its naval base in syria, and one of its best customers of its number one exports "military hardware" And the ONLY concern of these slimy Chinese is ,that they know , after Syria, it will be the Iranians who want to get rid of their dictators, a bunch of crazed religious psychopaths, And that might just interfere with China's oil imports. Lousy scumbags!!!!! NO MORALS !!!!

      fidel.mgoqi - 2012-09-22 14:38

      Well Mr Ban Kin Moon has already stated that there's no military solution to the conflict in that country, unless you have another idea who the UN is supposed to be?

      omo.naija.750 - 2012-09-22 16:04

      AnthonyfromAfrica - Please tell me who has morals,the west perhaps? If you are honest with yourself and a true African at heart you will admit that the west as well as the east are both sharks.Every body is in for something.France is the worst country when it comes to morals ,just take a look at the damage they have done in Africa.As a real African i take no side as i consider the west ,the middle east, Oceania and Asia enemies of Africa and Africans.

      AnthonyfromAfrica - 2012-09-22 18:41

      Omo.naija.750, ""you will admit that the west as well as the east are both sharks.Every body is in for something"" Fora 'true' African, there are two issues in Africa ,TOTALLY IMPORTANT; -------------------------INVESTMENT and JOBS--------------------- THAT makes the difference to MILLIONS of Africans, like here in SA, the so called 'middle class' will double in the next 20 years. At prsent 88 % of foreign investments are coming from the EU !! European and American companies have created JOBS for hundreds of thousands of Africans. These racists Russians don't invest in Africa, nor have created even ONE JOB !! These slimy Chinese have 'one way' 'investments' ,which ONLY benefit China And in stead that they create JOBS, they destroy JOBS. Let's rather stick with the West!!!!! Much, much better for Africa. And your comment ; ""France is the worst country when it comes to morals ,just take a look at the damage they have done in Africa"" I travel frequently in French speaking African countries, and what you say here is plain rubbish. Not only is the French influence still very strong in these countries, France is overall highly respected !!

      AnthonyfromAfrica - 2012-09-22 18:53

      Strange, how the loony left, selects what is important to them, what the UN says. When it suits them, it is all important!! And when it does not fit in with their silly and childish anti Western rhetoric, they totally ignore the UN !!!!!!!????????!!!!!!!!! they are not call the 'loony left' for nothing !!!!!

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-09-23 18:45

      The UN is more in-sync with Russia and China on Syria now. Not. 166 countries voted in the UN General Assembly that Assad is an illegitimate leader and must step down. Just 12 voted against. Patrick continued to confuse and distort what is actually happening in Syria.

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-09-23 18:55

      Russia and China have seats on the UN Security Council and are using their votes their to block help for the Syrian people trying to free themselves from decades of brutal unelected dictatorship. They are not mature enough to have seats on this Council, having only recently STARTED to emerge from the oppression of Communism. The world, Syrians in particular, are paying a heavy price for this immaturity and lack of responsibility.

      phillip.havenga - 2012-09-23 21:47

      omonaija Africa is is it's own problem stop trying to lay the blame at others door steps.

  • simon.sinimoni - 2012-09-22 16:24

    Here we go again.....

  • fred.fraser.12 - 2012-09-22 17:27

    Good information on Syria verified by the independent public broadcasting entity PBS in the US:

  • shane.loxton - 2012-09-23 09:54

    US, UK, NATO, Saudi, and Israeli backed terrorists carrying out a campaign of systematic atrocities in Syria have finally been acknowledged and reported on by Human Rights Watch, who has for nearly 2 years intentionally portrayed the conflict as one-sided violence carried out by the Syrian government alone. With evidence and admissions emerging that the so-called "Syrian rebels" are in fact Libyan terrorists, armed, funded, and flown in by NATO to cross into Syria and attack government troops, organizations like Human Rights Watch have faced deteriorating legitimacy, even with watered-down admissions like their most recent report titled, "Syria: End Opposition Use of Torture, Executions." In the report, Human Rights Watch admits that "armed opposition groups have subjected detainees to ill-treatment and torture and committed extrajudicial or summary executions in Aleppo, Latakia, and Idlib."

      shane.loxton - 2012-09-23 10:06

      AnthonyfromAfrica - 2012-09-23 15:49

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      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-09-23 18:59

      It is true elements of the Free Syria Army are being as cruel as the Assad regime. This is unacceptable. It is however a small part of the story, much smaller than Shane sees. Like Patrick and Fidel, he distorts events according to blinding anti-West prejudices.

      AnthonyfromAfrica - 2012-09-23 19:26

      Shame, You must have jet-leg, being our man on the spot in the China-Japan islands dispute !!! Tip, keep to your normal sleeping patterns, until you are back on the Syrian border!!!

      Shane Loxton - 2012-09-23 20:17

      Fred I am no more anti West as u falsely claim as what Obhama is. Another one of your tactics to deviate from the facts. BTW i am employed by the US DoD would be rather foolish of me to be anti my Employer

      AnthonyfromAfrica - 2012-09-24 04:07

      ""and to think the US was in Iraq at the time of the gassing of the Kurds and did nothing then as it was beneficial to the US to keep Iraqi support and keep attacking Iran"" Shame Sept 11 2012 Yes, it would be rather foolish, but there again, maybe its all just BS !!!!

      Shane Loxton - 2012-09-24 10:16

      @ Toos, So because i stated an obvious fact Im Anti West? it common knowledge and congressional hearing have taken place due to this fact. The other thing that is nice about the fact of being a member of the USA like you so proudly brag on many of your posts is our Democracy, we can view our opinions freely.

      AnthonyfromAfrica - 2012-09-24 12:07

      Shame, Well justifiable , you are proud of your democracy, where you can express your opinions freely!!! But the following question must come; WHY would you deny same to others ??? For FIFTY YEARS, these assad terrorists have ruled Syria with an iron fist, and made this country's leadership the most oppressive regime in the world !!!! ALL you can talk about is the opposition and the FSA ' but still have to hear you condemn the autrocities by these assad thugs!!! ""My staff and other United Nations colleagues have documented government attacks on schools, children denied access to hospitals, girls and boys suffering and dying in bombardments of their neighbourhoods, and also being subject to torture, including sexual violence, sometimes for weeks." Leile Zerrougi UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon's special reprersentative for children and armed conflict ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

      shane.loxton - 2012-09-24 16:32

      Toos, out of your owm mouth u critisize the UN as corrupt, and useless but yet u quote reports from them. The UN is nothing but a usless bunch of lip smacking idiots out to make a buck for themselves. If we had waited for the UN to get off their useless arses we would never had gone into Iraq, lybia and many others. As for having to critisize the Assad government I don't have to as there are many reports that do that just fine, the reason I post about the the rebels/terrorists/freedom fighters is that is where most of the Politically Correct/incorrect reporting is done hidden in lies and half truths. Its nice to be loyal to your beliefs but at the same time not blinded by them or your hatered towards them. Prepare too much and you lose sight of the big picture; what you see often you do not doubt. Yin (the art of deception) is in Yang (acting in open). Too much Yang (transparency) hides Yin (true ruses).- Sun Tzu

      AnthonyfromAfrica - 2012-09-24 18:35

      Shame, May suggest you wipe the sh.t out of your eyes !!! I have NEVER EVER said that the UN is corrupt and/or useless, NEVER EVER !!! Whatever you do for a living, you must be pretty useless at it; You can't even read !!!!

      shane.loxton - 2012-09-25 08:10


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