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Gaza: Signs of possible Israeli invasion

2012-11-16 08:03

Jerusalem — Israeli aircraft targeted rocket launching operations of Gaza militants early on Friday as troops, tanks and armoured personnel carriers massed near the Palestinian territory, signalling a ground invasion might be growing near.

Fighting between the two sides escalated sharply on Thursday with a first-ever militant attack on the Tel Aviv area, menacing Israel's heartland. No casualties were reported there, but three people died in the country's rocket-scarred south when a projectile slammed into an apartment building.

The death toll in the densely populated Palestinian territory climbed to 19, including five children, according to Palestinian health officials, as waves of Israeli fighter planes and drones sent missiles hurtling down on suspected weapons stores and rocket-launching sites.

Early on Friday, 85 missiles exploded within 45 minutes in Gaza City, sending black pillars of smoke towering above the coastal strip's largest city. The military said it was targeting underground rocket launching sites.

One missile hit the Interior Ministry, a symbol of Hamas power, and another hit an empty house belonging to a senior Hamas commander. Those strikes, together with an attack on a generator building near the home of Gaza's Hamas prime minister, Ismail Haniyeh, signalled that Israel was expanding its offensive beyond military targets.

The fighting has already widened the instability gripping a region in the throes of war and regime upheavals. It has straining already frayed relations with Egypt, which was sending its prime minister to Gaza later on Friday in a show of solidarity with its militant Hamas rulers.

Assassination


Israel and Hamas had largely observed an informal truce since Israel's devastating incursion into Gaza four years ago, but rocket fire and Israeli airstrikes on militant operations didn't halt entirely.

 The latest flare-up exploded into major violence on Wednesday when Israel assassinated Hamas' military chief, following up with a punishing air assault meant to cripple the militants' ability to terrorise Israel with rockets.

The Israeli military reported early on Friday that its aircraft had struck more than 350 targets since the beginning of its operation against Hamas' rocket operations.

After nightfall on Thursday, several explosions shook Gaza City several minutes apart, a sign the strikes were not letting up. The military said the targets were about 70 underground rocket-launching sites.

The Israeli offensive has not deterred the militants from striking back with more than 400 rockets aimed at southern Israel. For the first time, they also unleashed the most powerful weapons in their arsenal — Iranian-made Fajr-5 rockets capable of reaching Tel Aviv.

The two rockets that struck closest to Tel Aviv appear to have landed in the Mediterranean Sea, defence officials said, and another hit an open area on Tel Aviv's southern outskirts.

Widening operation


No injuries were reported, but the rocket fire — the first in the area from Gaza — sowed panic in Tel Aviv and made the prospect of a ground incursion more likely. The government later approved the mobilisation of up to 30 000 reservists for a possible invasion.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said the army was hitting Hamas hard with what he called surgical strikes, and warned of a "significant widening" of the Gaza operation. Israel will "continue to take whatever action is necessary to defend our people", said Netanyahu, who is up for re-election in January.

At least 12 trucks were seen transporting tanks and armoured personnel carriers toward Gaza late on Thursday, and buses carrying soldiers headed toward the border area. Israeli TV stations said a Gaza operation was expected on Friday, though military officials said no decision had been made.

"We will continue the attacks and we will increase the attacks, and I believe we will obtain our objectives," said Lieutenant General Benny Gantz, Israel's military chief.

An Israeli ground offensive could be costly to both sides. In the last Gaza war, Israel devastated large areas of the territory, setting back Hamas' fighting capabilities but also paying the price of increasing diplomatic isolation because of a civilian death toll numbering in the hundreds.

The current round of fighting is reminiscent of the first days of that three-week offensive against Hamas. Israel also caught Hamas off guard then with a barrage of missile strikes and threatened to follow up with a ground offensive.

Ambassador recalled

Much has changed since then.

Israel has improved its missile defence systems, but it is facing a more heavily armed Hamas. Israel estimates the militants have 12 000 rockets, including more sophisticated weapons from Iran and from Libyan stockpiles plundered after the fall of Muammar Gaddafi's regime there last year.

Also, regional alignments have changed dramatically since the last Gaza war. Hamas has emerged from its political isolation as its parent movement, the region-wide Muslim Brotherhood, has risen to power in several countries in the wake of last year's Arab uprisings, particularly in Egypt.

Egypt recalled its ambassador to protest the Israeli offensive and ordered its prime minister to lead a senior delegation to Gaza on Friday in a show of support for Hamas.

At the same time, while relations with Israel have cooled since the toppling of longtime Egyptian leader Hosni Mubarak, Islamist President Mohammed Morsi has not brought a radical change in Egypt's policy toward Israel.

He has promised to abide by Egypt's 1979 peace deal with Israel and his government has continued contacts with Israel through its non-Brotherhood members.

Comments
  • fidel.mgoqi - 2012-11-16 08:23

    Watching people not stand idly by while they are trodden on but show a bit of fight back makes me feel younger at heart!

      doberman.love.1 - 2012-11-16 08:45

      Hamas needs to be taught a lesson once and for all, and? I hope Israel gives it to them this time. They (Hamas) are nothing but thugs wanting to hurt the innocent and use kids as human shields

      fidel.mgoqi - 2012-11-16 10:01

      Israel's continued land stealing (settlement expansion) is in response to what (a verse in the Torah)? But the huge, gigantic elephant in the room is the question of Palestinian statehood (something not permitted by the Zionist credo). Israel has perpetually infantilised Palestinians, killed them, bombed them, occupied more and more land. This is the real issue, and everything else (who fired what first and how effective this is and what sub-plots are going on) is neither here nor there. Zionism is the poison in Israeli politics. It is a right wing bigoted mentality!

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-11-16 10:17

      Israel was created in 1948 from 52% of the land formerly occupied by the Jewish and Palestinian people, and Palestine 43%. Most of the Israeli territory was the Negev Desert. Jerusalem fell into neither territory. Palestinians with their unelected, self-serving neighbors declared war on Israel the very next day. In the 1960's they even invaded Israel twice. Full military invasions. The result: Israel survived and pushed them back, gaining territory in the process. This is the origin of what you wrongly call "stealing land". There have been almost daily attacks by Palestinians, incited by their self-serving unelected backers. Palestinians even teach their children at Kindergarten to attack Israel, rather than be peaceful. Children. Kindergarten. From day one, and even today it's wage war on Israel. Israel defends herself. Yes sometimes going too far, which is unacceptable, but self-defense nonetheless. All that needs to happen is for Palestinians to choose peace side by side with Israel. This is more likely going forward now because the unelected dictators are being removed from power by their people, one by one. They will no longer use the Palestinians for their own internal political ploys.

      russellblack.cowan - 2012-11-16 15:01

      I think that Hammas deserves everything it is getting. It has no intention to ever make peace with Israel now or into the future. Israel should take off its gloves and then the world will see what it is really capable of

  • jason.heineberg - 2012-11-16 08:26

    What an incredibly biased article. No mention that the Israeli attack is in response to a large number of missiles being launched into Israel. It was also not mentioned that Hamas is a terrorist group. Are these details unimportant? Israel has always had a zero tolerance policy on attacks like these, the Palestinians surely can't be so short sighted as to not expect such a response. Terrible journalism.

      theodor.herzl.3 - 2012-11-16 08:34

      Jason, they know exactly what they are doing. Any Israeli response is met with a mountain of hostility from the media, it plays into their hands...It's a war they want, it's war they will get. Push through Israel.

      fidel.mgoqi - 2012-11-16 08:34

      And the large number of missiles is in response to what, Palestinians being bored and having nothing to do, waking up one day and deciding to start hurling missiles at Israel? The Palestinians might pay a terrible price (what's worse than what has already befallen them since the establishment of the Zionist state) in human loss, but what they have succeeded in doing is to bring up their plight onto the intl arena, something that Israel has worked very hard to avoid, and instead focusing the world's attention on Iran. It must be this that is making netayahoo livid! The Palestinians aren't going anywhere and there is nothing that Israel can do about that, short of gassing them.

      rinus.groeneveld.7 - 2012-11-16 08:54

      A terrible lack of knowledge of what is really going on there displayed by you. Do yourself ONE favour before you start defending Israel and their illegal occupation of Gaza - read the book "Eye on the Diamonds" ... this has NOTHING to do with "terrorists" ... it is exactly the same as George Bush's "Weapons of Mass Destruction" - it does not exist. It is about money and power that comes from the weapons and diamond industry.

      K9LAKHAN - 2012-11-16 14:59

      Jason , spot on. ...For SA Diwali pics on news24, the journos chose to show pakistan instead off south africa (to mislead the majority. ) I feel , that more Jews and Hindus should be involved in the media houses. Terrible journalism.

      jason.heineberg - 2012-11-16 15:45

      When the USA, EU, Canada and Japan classify Hamas as "terrorists", it might just mean something. Understand that there is no middle ground for these people, where Israel is willing to compromise, they are not. There are plenty of Arab nations(who also don't seem to want their Palestinian "brothers" in their countries, yet shun Israel for not wanting this either), but only 1 Hebrew nation. And all these Islamic fundamentalists think that this Hebrew nation has no right to exist, given their way they would destroy the western world. So pull your head out the sand and understand that Hamas (and other Islamic fundamentalists) are not looking for peace and aren't some poor people who have been wronged for no reason, but a real threat to civilized life as we know it.

  • moses.mabhida.52 - 2012-11-16 08:27

    Dear Gazans Possible invasion? What the heck were you thinking? You think you can fire rockets at Israel and have parties without paying some sort of price? The world warned you to stop the rocket fire or else the world would not be able to protect you from Israeli self defence. Well... too late she cried... you have to sleep in the bed you make... If Gaza promises to stop the rocket fire I guarantee that Israel will stop its attack, sadly Hamas loves death more then they love their own people. Israel has, does and always will want peace with Palestine, but first thing is first, stop the rocket fire from Gaza onto Israel or Israel will stop it for you.

      andre.c.79 - 2012-11-16 08:39

      Sad, but true.

      riyaad.abrahams.98 - 2012-11-16 10:04

      How else should they resist and defend themselves? David and Goliath here, you seem to forget. Israel should stop it's attacks and occupation of stolen land, then there will be peace. Simple

      larry.lachman.54 - 2012-11-16 11:00

      Riyaad. So sorry, but what land is occupied - Gaza? It is not occupied. And which land is stolen - Israel? Not stolen. If the issue is the West Bank 'occupation' then it would be the West Bank firing rockets into Israel, which they would be doing if Israel was to withdraw from the West Bank as it did with Gaza. Now Israel must re-take Gaza and exterminate Hamas and other terrorists. So sorry, but the Arabs will learn how to behave.

      moses.mabhida.52 - 2012-11-16 11:31

      this is why i support israel riyaad! plz answer larry’s question - what land is occupied/stolen????? you people (Muslims) always preach the same story... but never actually make any sense. If you want Israel destroyed - say so. If you want peace - say so. If you on the fence – rather don’t comment. Fact is, the UN gave the Arabs Jordan and the Jews Israel – you may not like it but that is the truth… Palestine were only born in the 1960’s to get more land from the Jewish side. West Bank disputed land now not stolen while you already have claim to Gaza – Muslims speak with a forked tongue for they know they have no leg to stand on when it comes to Israel for the simple reason that Israel wants peace while the religion of peace wants holy wars.

  • harold.hardrada.5 - 2012-11-16 08:32

    According to people in the region, the Israeli attack is not about rockets (these were only fired after the first shots by an Israeli border patrol). Locals say this is about Palestine's application for observing nation status in the UN, which is likely to pass the general assembly despite efforts to block it by the US and Israel. Israeli officials warned they would topple the Palestinian authority, that the peace would be over and that they would take undefined steps of reprisal, including assassinations of Palestinian leaders if they felt it neccessary. The opening shots of this conflict were carried out by an IDF border patrol (an armoured car and patrolling infantry) which allegedly fired on a group of Palestinian children playing soccer. One of the kids was hit in the stomach and died. A local Hamas militia group in the area then attacked the patrol with an anti-tank weapon, injuring three soldiers. The IDF targeted the militia position with heavy fire, Hamas responded with several rockets, one of which hit a building in a Jewish settlement on the border, killing three Jewish civilians. Israel and Hamas began a full missile/rocket exchange, culminating in the air strike which killed the Hamas military commander in Gaza (along with his bodyguard and child who were also in the car). These border skirmishes are a regular occurrence but are now being 'blown out of proportion' with a pending ground invasion due to the Palestinian UN application.

      harold.hardrada.5 - 2012-11-16 08:33

      With Egypt involved, not to mention the war in Syria and the regional tensions between Iran, Saudi Arabia, Qatar and the convoluted network of alliances, this may well be the spark that ignites the Middle East. World War I started in much the same way in the Balkans in 1914.

      rinus.groeneveld.7 - 2012-11-16 08:43

      Something like this was bound to happen to keep the War machine churning (in the US). With Romney's defeat, Iran is not an option anymore - something that Israel was hoping for. So what you are saying makes so much sense. Blood diamonds and the weapons industry. Israel is once again (to the extent that it is laughable) trying to portray themselves as victims. Bottom line - they are where they should not be and they THRIVE on war. They spend 6% of their GDP on weapons - and not to defend themselves (for that they get the US to build a missile shield). We now have the situation where a couple of rock throwers are branded as terrorists (fine line between that and a freedom fighter) and must face the full brunt of the Israeli Defence Force. And every move is justified. BS I say. I have NO sympathy with the Jews in Gaza!!

      doberman.love.1 - 2012-11-16 08:53

      BS Harold. 2 weeks of rockets on Southern Israel brought this on. I have business associates in Natania in Israel... they told me this was coming before it even started – they said that half a country is living in bomb shelters and the government in Israel would fall if they don’t fight back... any other excuses is Arab propaganda. If there were no rockets, Israel would not fight back... you propaganda is not going to work cause we not blind nor dumb. There were rockets for days on end before Israel mistakenly hit that kid... your Arab terrorists friends are firing rockets from these soccer fields were the Palestinian kids are playing soccer.

      neutedop.opinie - 2012-11-16 09:12

      Rinus, stop watching Holywood movies! I wonder if someone shot 150 rockets per day into your country, if you would still have your theory. Couple of rock throwers???? Hahahaha, Idiot! That rock throwers must have one hell of an arm, to throw a missle into Israel! You are pathetic!

      rinus.groeneveld.7 - 2012-11-16 09:29

      Yes neutedop, expected nothing less from you in response. There's no one so blind as he who refuses to see. Keep on living in your little yellow submarine and if someone disagrees with you just call him pathetic. Nice. Shame...

      neutedop.opinie - 2012-11-16 09:42

      Rinus, so you still stand by your statement that it is rock throwers against the IDF? Are you really that stupid???You read 1 book, and believe all of it. i can give you 1 Million books of the same propoganda, from both sides. At the end, the fact that rockets get shot at innocent people - they do not care if it is children or who ever, is worse than the IDF hitting a militant, and accidently hitting a child. At least the aim of the IDF rocket is to hit a target....not anybody. Go do more reading, and better, go visit there, and maybe you will understand, and form your OWN opinion.

      rinus.groeneveld.7 - 2012-11-16 10:07

      Neutedop: (a) spent 3 months in Israel working on a Kibbutz and a Moshav - have you been there? (b) Do you even know who Terry Crawford-Browne is? I read a LOT and I prefer to read well-researched pieces with cross-references to hundreds of sources. Not propaganda. You obviously have not read the specific book mentioned. (c) must I post the definition of "analogy" for you? If you cannot interpret the reference to "rocks" I cannot help to educate you. Or let me try to help: your arguments are like bringing a knife to a gun-fight. I said "like" - it does not really mean you have a knife with you. (d) opinion should largely be based on substance, not something you think you know/have read/have heard. Once again, you clearly should not be forming opinions with your limited knowledge (try to understand "analogy" first) (e) good luck with the average mundane day-to-day tasks you must perform - it is obvious that you must struggle with these (f) knowing words like "idiot", "pathetic" and "stupid" do not contribute to debate and certainly do not distinguish yourself as an intellectual. You are clearly no rocket scientist (analogy alert!).

      neutedop.opinie - 2012-11-16 10:25

      Rinus, just to show you how pathetic you are, and trying to pretend you are so high and mighty: I served in IDF, lived there, and have 2 degrees behind my name....one being an Ph.D. So please, if you want to go the route of insulting me, in the future, please try something that would actually bother me. So no, I am no rocket scientist, but at least you can call me Doctor.....doubt anybody calls you that.

      rinus.groeneveld.7 - 2012-11-16 10:52

      The wonder of the internet: my real name is Albert Einstein and I faked my own death after discovering the fountain of youth. Nice meeting you Doc! (The mere fact that you are even TRYING to impress me with a list of degrees that you might or might not have is REALLY scary!)

      rinus.groeneveld.7 - 2012-11-16 11:00

      Oh, if there's any truth to you "serving 2 years in the IDF" - then I rest my case. "Blinkers" will be an understatement - more like a "blindfold". (I have always wondered what one does with a Ph.D - seeing that you can get it by writing a thesis on something as mundane as Condom practices in the rural Eastern Cape. I hope you understand the concept of a rethorical question!!)

      neutedop.opinie - 2012-11-16 11:50

      Rinus, maybe you must start by learning to read. Never have I said I served 2 years, I said I served....This is probably how you read all those books you were bragging of. And only reason why I mentioned the degrees, is because you act like you are above all, and have all knowledge, and anybody who disagree, is not as intelligent as you supposedly rate yourself. Anyways, enjoy your weekend, and hope IDF cause you much more pain, just to show you that the will not tolerate cowards that shoot rockets from school grounds, and sacrifice their own children for propaganda.

      rinus.groeneveld.7 - 2012-11-16 17:33

      1, 2, 3 or 5 years. Blind as a bat when it comes to the truth...

  • Ziyaad - 2012-11-16 08:33

    Theodor Herzl - so you chose the name of the father of Zionism. Shame. Clearly you support Israeli terrorism. Clearly you support the killing of innocent people. Why would people want to read "a more balanced report" from an Israeli website? How stupid is that? Are you saying that news24 does not report accurate news???

      andre.c.79 - 2012-11-16 08:39

      I think he is probably trying to bait someone into an argument.

      theodor.herzl.3 - 2012-11-16 08:41

      No, and I don't support terrorism, that's why I said, Israel should root it out. And by the way Theodor Herzl did not support terrorism like yourself.

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-11-16 10:17

      Israel was created in 1948 from 52% of the land formerly occupied by the Jewish and Palestinian people, and Palestine 43%. Most of the Israeli territory was the Negev Desert. Jerusalem fell into neither territory. Palestinians with their unelected, self-serving neighbors declared war on Israel the very next day. In the 1960's they even invaded Israel twice. Full military invasions. The result: Israel survived and pushed them back, gaining territory in the process. This is the origin of what you wrongly call "stealing land". There have been almost daily attacks by Palestinians, incited by their self-serving unelected backers. Palestinians even teach their children at Kindergarten to attack Israel, rather than be peaceful. Children. Kindergarten. From day one, and even today it's wage war on Israel. Israel defends herself. Yes sometimes going too far, which is unacceptable, but self-defense nonetheless. All that needs to happen is for Palestinians to choose peace side by side with Israel. This is more likely going forward now because the unelected dictators are being removed from power by their people, one by one. They will no longer use the Palestinians for their own internal political ploys.

      larry.lachman.54 - 2012-11-16 11:02

      There is no shame in Zionism. Proud Zionist.

      gianni.blayse - 2012-11-16 13:00

      zionism is a racist and shameful policy. Why do poor russians who may have some jew in their bloodline but could care less about judaism or israel, get to immigrate to israel and live better than palestinians who have been there for generations. why dont you answer that instead of deleting my comments , you bladdy one-track minded robots. read a book for once, im so sick n tired of people who think they are clever and are just so ignorant. the biggest problem in hte world today

  • andre.c.79 - 2012-11-16 08:36

    Gotta feel for the average Palestinian and Israeli civilian. Pawns in a power play between governments.

      doberman.love.1 - 2012-11-16 08:56

      wrong... both are at the mercy of suicidal militants who are leading Hamas... watch what they say. Israel wants peace, Hamas wants holy war. I know every story has two sides - but this situation is ridiculously one sided, and what makes it worse is that Hamas supporters here are only hurting Palestinian civilians more by supporting Hamas aggression.

  • kaapse.skollie.7 - 2012-11-16 08:37

    Looks like Israel is planning to wipe out the Bantu homeland once and for all. Either way something's gotta give. Gaza's becoming more like Pollsmoor - permanently on lockdown and over-populated.

      fidel.mgoqi - 2012-11-16 08:44

      Warsaw Ghetto is more likely. Ex European Jews have learnt a lot from the Nazis, especially when it comes to security!

      theodor.herzl.3 - 2012-11-16 08:53

      what utter nonsense...did you know gaza borders on Egypt, and the border is OPEN! They are free to leave as they want since the Muslim brotherhood took control.

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-11-16 10:16

      Israel was created in 1948 from 52% of the land formerly occupied by the Jewish and Palestinian people, and Palestine 43%. Most of the Israeli territory was the Negev Desert. Jerusalem fell into neither territory. Palestinians with their unelected, self-serving neighbors declared war on Israel the very next day. In the 1960's they even invaded Israel twice. Full military invasions. The result: Israel survived and pushed them back, gaining territory in the process. This is the origin of what you wrongly call "stealing land". There have been almost daily attacks by Palestinians, incited by their self-serving unelected backers. Palestinians even teach their children at Kindergarten to attack Israel, rather than be peaceful. Children. Kindergarten. From day one, and even today it's wage war on Israel. Israel defends herself. Yes sometimes going too far, which is unacceptable, but self-defense nonetheless. All that needs to happen is for Palestinians to choose peace side by side with Israel. This is more likely going forward now because the unelected dictators are being removed from power by their people, one by one. They will no longer use the Palestinians for their own internal political ploys.

  • juju.malema.792 - 2012-11-16 08:41

    Israel's actions condemned by Syria's Assad. Funniest thing I read all day. By this time next year Assad is going to be in the Hague for killing 37,000 of his own citizens.

  • neutedop.opinie - 2012-11-16 08:43

    In th ewords of Shimon Peres:Our enemies are not the people of Gaza, our enemies are not the Muslim people. Our enemies are the terrorists who operate without reason and without thought.

      theodor.herzl.3 - 2012-11-16 08:54

      Spot on

      rinus.groeneveld.7 - 2012-11-16 09:20

      So the same would apply "our enemies are not the people of Iraq, our enemies are not the Muslim people. Our enemies are the terrorists who are manufacturing Weapons of Mass Destruction"? Illegal occupation is never mentioned - will you sit back and allow a bunch of squatters to erect structures on your property? The West Bank, Gaza strip, East Jerusalem and Golan Heights are OCCUPIED TERRITORIES - not my definition, the United Nations'! "In 2008, Israel commenced an assault against Gaza. Israel stated the strikes were in response to repetitive rocket and mortar attacks from the Gaza Strip into Israel since 2005, while the Palestinians stated that they were responding to Israel's military excursions and blockade of the Gaza Strip. In January 2009, Palestinian sources stated that at least 1,300 Palestinians were killed in the conflict." So it is just a repeat of the same nonsense - if the Israelis keep to themselves and withdraw from where they should not be, there will be peace. They CREATE the environment for conflict - just like George Bush did. And then you act surprised if someone throws a couple of rocks at you?

      fidel.mgoqi - 2012-11-16 09:42

      Rinus, the Israelis offer Palestinians peace in exchange for their land!

      neutedop.opinie - 2012-11-16 09:48

      Rinus, stop only reading 1 side of the history. What happened when Israel gave back a part of the Gaza? The rockets were shot from closer to israel. When Israel offered Arafat 98% of Gaza, he did not want it. He wanted war. And if it is really about Gaza, why would their manifest stipulate to wipe Israel? Is that about the Gaza, or do they only want war....and use people like you to believe it is only about that one strip. Israel tried many times to negotiate, but it was never accepted.

      theodor.herzl.3 - 2012-11-16 09:56

      @infidel Give factual examples of your statement? "...the Israelis offer Palestinians peace in exchange for their land! "

      rinus.groeneveld.7 - 2012-11-16 10:09

      Sorry Herzl, if you do not see the irony in his statement there's no reason to even try to explain....

      fidel.mgoqi - 2012-11-16 10:18

      Thank you for understanding and further explaining my comment. Next time I'll spoon feed my comments for the sarcastically challenged.

      larry.lachman.54 - 2012-11-16 11:07

      Fidel, you forget that Israel occupied 'their' land as the result of being attacked in the first place in the 1967 war. Same applied to Egypt's Sinai Peninsular. Israel returned their land for a peace deal, that stands to this day. Same was attempted with Gaza, except the Gazans were not partners in peace. Same would happen with the West Bank. No deal.

      fidel.mgoqi - 2012-11-16 11:26

      Larry why were the Israelis attacked in 1967?

      larry.lachman.54 - 2012-11-16 11:36

      Fidel, for no other reason than its existence, as with previous attacks since Israel's inception. Or do you have another take on it?

      fidel.mgoqi - 2012-11-16 12:03

      The attack was to try and regain land confisticated during the Irgun and Stem gangs attacks on Palestinian villages and homes. The massacre in 1948 at Deir Yassin caused many Palestinians to flee their homes in fear. During the few months when these and other acts of terrorism were taking place, 300000 Palestinian Christians and Moslems were forced to leave their homes or be killed by the terrorist groups.

      neutedop.opinie - 2012-11-16 12:17

      Fidel, why do the cowards run? i thought they will fight.....or was there too little children to hide behind?

      larry.lachman.54 - 2012-11-16 12:21

      I go back to 1967 and you go back to 1948. Irgu and Stern gangs were pre-independence. The UN ratified Israel statehood and borders. Absent Arabs were denied Israeli citizenship. You are clutching at straws. The Palestinians and neighbouring Arab countries attacked Israel with the full intention of undoing and eradicating the Jewish homeland, and not for any other reason. This is still their goal today. Fact isd, Israel was well within its own sovereign territory when armies of Jordan, Syria, Lebanon and Egypt, and even an Iraqui expeditionary force, attacked Israel on several occasions.

      fidel.mgoqi - 2012-11-16 12:34

      I go back to 1948 because the Zionist terrorists were not happy with the partitioning hence their initial attack on Palestinian villages and dispossession. Count Bemadotte favored a partition of the area, a portion of the land for Jews, and a portion for Palestinians. This angered the Zionists who wanted all the land. In a brazen show of disregard for diplomacy, justice and common decency, the Zionists 'eliminated' Count Bemadotte. He and his driver were assassinated while riding down the streets of Jerusalem. It is the Zionists, who, drunk from their racist ideology, up until today have never accepted the establishment of a Palestinian state and have engaged in all sorts of despicable activities to avoid that "tragedy"! You know this ideology very well!

      larry.lachman.54 - 2012-11-16 12:56

      Fidel, you are romantisising conspiracy theories again. Israel accepted its allocated portion in 1948 and it was the Arabs who did not accept Israel, which remains to this day. There is no escaping this truth.

      fidel.mgoqi - 2012-11-16 13:06

      You are right, Israel "officially" accepted, but the right-wing powerful Zionist led by menecham begin didn't, hence their subsequent attacks on Palestinian villages, which have been taking place up to this day. A similar occurrence to the right-wing fools in this country who stumbled their way into Bophutatswana and bombed the ex Jan Smuts airport. These are historical facts and not romanticised conspiracies!

      larry.lachman.54 - 2012-11-16 15:45

      You spout incomplete half-truths, Fidel. Very common amongs pro-Palestinian propagandists. No doubt villages were attacked, and no doubt these attacks were in response to hostile terrorist attacks on Israeli's, as is always the case and also currently the case with Hamas in Gaza.

  • kaapse.skollie.7 - 2012-11-16 08:58

    The people of gaza live like millions of rats stuffed in a tiny cage, cut off from the outside world. Our old Bantu homelands had nothing on this place. And no amount of diplomacy will change that. What choice do they have but to fight?

      theodor.herzl.3 - 2012-11-16 09:16

      Check the maps, Gaza borders with Egypt, Israel and the Ocean. They can leave either by way of Egypt or the ocean. click to see google maps https://maps.google.co.za/maps?q=gaza&hl=en&ll=31.355982,34.771729&spn=0.759921,1.674042&sll=-32.631657,20.989987&sspn=5.993905,13.392334&hnear=Gaza&t=m&z=10 In fact the Arab nations are using and abusing the palestinian people for political gain to destroy the only Jewish state, not Israel.

      kaapse.skollie.7 - 2012-11-16 09:25

      Come now, theo. The Rafah crossing with Egypt has been open for humanitarian aid for how many weeks? And by the way, it's election time in Israel again. Do we all remember what happened exactly 4 years ago? But thanks for your 'facts'.

      theodor.herzl.3 - 2012-11-16 09:38

      Does Gaza border with Egypt and who controls that Rafah crossing? Egypt? And you mention humanitarian aid, from who? Israel Yes, and Israel supplies electricity, water, and sanitation facilities. Election time or not, this escalation came in response of Hamas's provocation and insistent rocket firing on Israeli towns.

      kaapse.skollie.7 - 2012-11-16 10:07

      If you guys were living like rats in a cage in gaza and no one did anything about it, you would bliksem those israeli soldiers too.

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-11-16 10:16

      Israel was created in 1948 from 52% of the land formerly occupied by the Jewish and Palestinian people, and Palestine 43%. Most of the Israeli territory was the Negev Desert. Jerusalem fell into neither territory. Palestinians with their unelected, self-serving neighbors declared war on Israel the very next day. In the 1960's they even invaded Israel twice. Full military invasions. The result: Israel survived and pushed them back, gaining territory in the process. This is the origin of what you wrongly call "stealing land". There have been almost daily attacks by Palestinians, incited by their self-serving unelected backers. Palestinians even teach their children at Kindergarten to attack Israel, rather than be peaceful. Children. Kindergarten. From day one, and even today it's wage war on Israel. Israel defends herself. Yes sometimes going too far, which is unacceptable, but self-defense nonetheless. All that needs to happen is for Palestinians to choose peace side by side with Israel. This is more likely going forward now because the unelected dictators are being removed from power by their people, one by one. They will no longer use the Palestinians for their own internal political ploys.

      rinus.groeneveld.7 - 2012-11-16 10:18

      kaapse: nail on the head there - ELECTION TIME. They are "pulling a Bush"! :-)

      kaapse.skollie.7 - 2012-11-16 10:38

      Fred, you miss the point. When you're locked in a concentration camp, you don't want peace. You want freedom.

      fidel.mgoqi - 2012-11-16 11:04

      It is completely abhorrent, disgusting and immoral that the lives of Muslims is seen to be so indispensable that they are used to win elections. Israel did this in Gaza in 2008 (and it didn't work ultimately).

      larry.lachman.54 - 2012-11-16 11:11

      Kaapse skollie, peace and freedom is there for the taking. All the Gaza people and Hamas need to do is accept Israel and stop hostility. The place themselves in a cage and lock it up themselves by following an ideology of eradicating Israel. This is their aim, not fighting occupation, of which Gaza is no longer occupied. Their understanding of 'occupation' is Israels existence. To bad. They will lose and die like rats unless they change their thinking.

  • aiziyaee - 2012-11-16 09:33

    "South Africa will never be free until Palestine is free" - Nelson Mandela! I guess he never had the true knowledge of what was going on hey? Pathetic Zionist terrorist. The only terrorists are the Zionists. Illegal occupation of land and poor excuses for a war! Sickening.

      fidel.mgoqi - 2012-11-16 09:46

      The biggest problem is the Zionist credo indeed, of establishing Eretz Israel “From the Brook of Egypt to the Euphrates”. These land stealing thieves should go back to Poland and Russia, whence they came from!

      theodor.herzl.3 - 2012-11-16 09:47

      ahhh mr Jihad, a lover of holy war? tell me who is the real terrorists?

      aiziyaee - 2012-11-16 09:59

      Well, Mr Zionist. From your sarcastic and cynical reply, it seems to me that you think you know alot. Maybe you missed what our President Madiba had to say. So is HE also a lover of holy war??? Or was he standing up for what is right?? But you conveniently missed that. Don't look to pass on the buck for starting a war. Its not "he started so i'll retaliate". Maybe you need lessons in History 101. Don't go too far - if you can, apply your premise on the analogy of when Apartheid was ruling us and THINK if that was "holy war". Doubt you'll get it.

      moses.mabhida.52 - 2012-11-16 10:12

      Madiba like Martin Luther King supported Israel. You can google what MLK said about Israel... but I remember clearly the day Madiba went to visit Israel... he said how sad it is that the fundamentalists want to continue their religious war rather then make peace. Madiba wanted freedom for Palestinians but not at the expense of Israel - your talking racisms aizayaee – which is why the world don’t support you.

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-11-16 10:16

      Israel was created in 1948 from 52% of the land formerly occupied by the Jewish and Palestinian people, and Palestine 43%. Most of the Israeli territory was the Negev Desert. Jerusalem fell into neither territory. Palestinians with their unelected, self-serving neighbors declared war on Israel the very next day. In the 1960's they even invaded Israel twice. Full military invasions. The result: Israel survived and pushed them back, gaining territory in the process. This is the origin of what you wrongly call "stealing land". There have been almost daily attacks by Palestinians, incited by their self-serving unelected backers. Palestinians even teach their children at Kindergarten to attack Israel, rather than be peaceful. Children. Kindergarten. From day one, and even today it's wage war on Israel. Israel defends herself. Yes sometimes going too far, which is unacceptable, but self-defense nonetheless. All that needs to happen is for Palestinians to choose peace side by side with Israel. This is more likely going forward now because the unelected dictators are being removed from power by their people, one by one. They will no longer use the Palestinians for their own internal political ploys.

      kassiem.said - 2012-11-16 10:27

      well said bro.....as for Moses Mabhida5....what ashame he is hiding behind the name of one of SA`s heroes.

      larry.lachman.54 - 2012-11-16 11:13

      Palestine will be free the day they become accepting and peaceful neighbours of Israel. Until such time, they will be increasingly oppressed until there is no other option. That's all folks.

  • veldt66 - 2012-11-16 09:42

    My heart goes out to those ever suffering Palestinians!

      moses.mabhida.52 - 2012-11-16 10:15

      My heart goes out to those self-inflicted-suffering Palestinians. why did they vote for Hamas! seeing their suffering is one thing - understanding why takes brain cells.

      larry.lachman.54 - 2012-11-16 11:14

      One cannot feel sorry for stupid hateful people, who cause their own suffering.

  • thunder.clap.587 - 2012-11-16 09:53

    Apartheid Zionist Jewish Israel think they can do watever they want when they want,this time they gonna face resistance,Death to Israel,No sympathy.

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-11-16 10:15

      Israel was created in 1948 from 52% of the land formerly occupied by the Jewish and Palestinian people, and Palestine 43%. Most of the Israeli territory was the Negev Desert. Jerusalem fell into neither territory. Palestinians with their unelected, self-serving neighbors declared war on Israel the very next day. In the 1960's they even invaded Israel twice. Full military invasions. The result: Israel survived and pushed them back, gaining territory in the process. This is the origin of what you wrongly call "stealing land". There have been almost daily attacks by Palestinians, incited by their self-serving unelected backers. Palestinians even teach their children at Kindergarten to attack Israel, rather than be peaceful. Children. Kindergarten. From day one, and even today it's wage war on Israel. Israel defends herself. Yes sometimes going too far, which is unacceptable, but self-defense nonetheless. All that needs to happen is for Palestinians to choose peace side by side with Israel. This is more likely going forward now because the unelected dictators are being removed from power by their people, one by one. They will no longer use the Palestinians for their own internal political ploys.

      thunder.clap.587 - 2012-11-16 10:39

      STFU,maybe if u summarise dat someone will pay att

      fidel.mgoqi - 2012-11-16 11:03

      Ignore fred, he works at the Israeli embassy basement thumping his keyboard frantically to spew Zionist propaganda...a sock puppet! He's been posting this same BS, word for word since 2010!

      larry.lachman.54 - 2012-11-16 11:15

      Israel can do what it wants and it will. Israel wants peace with its neighbours, and it will exact this peace, one way or another.

      fidel.mgoqi - 2012-11-16 11:18

      Israel wants a "piece" indeed, in exchange for Palestinian land!

      rinus.groeneveld.7 - 2012-11-16 11:19

      Fighting for peace ....

      thunder.clap.587 - 2012-11-16 11:22

      I once had a friend called Larry who was Stupid as they come.

      larry.lachman.54 - 2012-11-16 11:25

      Precisely. Sometimes you have to pummel a chap until he cries uncle. This brought about the end of WW2, and it will suffice for Israel as well.

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-11-16 17:29

      Fidel believes Nelson Mandela is a phony, a lackey of the West, a modern-day Uncle Tom. His exact words on the US/Mandela thread when Hilary Clinton visited South Africa a couple of months ago. Imagine that. The same mind is perceiving the Israeli-Palestinian situation and distorting it as well.

  • thunder.clap.587 - 2012-11-16 09:56

    Why did Israel cut Palestine Internet,WHY???

      moses.mabhida.52 - 2012-11-16 10:21

      because freedom of speech ends with hate speech

      tommy.jones.754918 - 2012-11-16 10:29

      I don't know why, but my logic tells me it is strategic. History shows that one of the first thing you do before going into battle is cutting the enemy off from possible communication. It disorganizes the opposition.

      fidel.mgoqi - 2012-11-16 10:33

      It's not only the internet or land, Israeli settlers have been expropriating dozens of West Bank springs, leaving the Palestinian population with no access to water even for drinking, as detailed in a March 2012 UNESCO report. In the South Hebron hills, Israel, having already expropriated all Palestinian water sources, is now destroying EU-funded solar panels, to deny the Palestinians access to electricity.

      thunder.clap.587 - 2012-11-16 10:37

      U mean a superpower yet zionist coward regime cannot confront a weaker palestine face to face. Oh I see,so those numb nuts r scared n they sense defeat

      fidel.mgoqi - 2012-11-16 10:41

      Tommy, consistent with rogue Israel's disregard for anything that resembles intl law or norms. It is forbidden in war to target civilian infrastructure ,something explicitly forbidden under Article 14 of the second protocol of the Geneva Conventions.

      tommy.jones.754918 - 2012-11-16 10:45

      I'm glad it is forbidden, that means the unguided rockets flying from Gaza must stop. Oops, Hamas don't care about Article 14 of the second protocol of the Geneva Conventions.

      tommy.jones.754918 - 2012-11-16 10:47

      Thunder.clap, when in war you don't take chances. You consider the situation and try to get as much advantage as possible over the opposition.

      larry.lachman.54 - 2012-11-16 11:15

      Because they can. More to come.

      thunder.clap.587 - 2012-11-16 11:16

      War with unarmed civilians n u cut their internet,water,electricity...wat do u want exactly,r u some sort of a bully.

      fidel.mgoqi - 2012-11-16 11:20

      Tommy, the Geneva conventions apply to nation states, Hamas or Gaza is not a state.........yet!

      larry.lachman.54 - 2012-11-16 11:28

      What are those rockets being fired into Southern Israel? Dont be an idiot here. Fidel, the Geneva conventions apply to all, including militias and unconventional forces. Look it up.

      tommy.jones.754918 - 2012-11-16 11:43

      "Tommy, the Geneva conventions apply to nation states, Hamas or Gaza is not a state". Really, so if you are a foreigner in SA then you don't have to abide by SA laws. Your logic fails bru. Thunder.clap write properly, I mistakenly read dirty words in your posts.

  • riyaad.abrahams.98 - 2012-11-16 10:01

    Everyone conveniently forgets that Hamas was democratically elected by it's own people, you talk of democracy when it suits you. How else should a people resist the daily onslaught from the world's greatest terrorist? They don't have the guided missiles and sophisticated weapons that Israel has to launch targeted attacks that kills innocent people. So, it's OK for Israel to launch attacks on civilians in Gaza and you expect them to sit back and accept it???

      tommy.jones.754918 - 2012-11-16 10:13

      Simple, don't fire rockets from Civilian areas. Go stand in the middle of a desert and fire your rockets. See, with the Israeli technology they trace exactly where these rockets are launched from (Hamas should have figured that one out by now - or is simply trying to use civilians as shields). Also, in response to your second paragraph. Who's fault is it if you bring a pocket knife to a gun fight - simple. Where life is at stake, nobody is going to care about your pocket knife, what they are going to care about is the fact that you are swinging that knife wildly at them, and will subsequently react with a bullet between the eyes.

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-11-16 10:15

      "The world's greatest terrorist". Hahahahaha!! Hoohoohoo!! What a hoot. Anything about the HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of innocent Muslims being killed and maimed by your own unelected dictators and Jihadists? Wake up and drop the absolute farcical nonsense, or you're going to be left behind.

      riyaad.abrahams.98 - 2012-11-16 11:05

      @tommy.jones.754918 ... what desert?? Israel is busy grabbing every piece of conceivable land. Secondly, you ask 'who's fault is it if you bring a pocket knife to a gun fight'... simple answer... it's Israel's fault. Israel does not even allow the basic necessities for human life, how will they allow an impoverished Gaza to arm themselves with the most sophisticated arms on the planet given to them by their parent or puppet - the US (not sure which one suffices right now)?? Here you have a clear case of David and Goliath. They will continue to resist with what they have, unlike Israel they don't have choices. And @fred.fraser.12 , yes, that's exactly what I said - the worlds greatest terrorist. Get used to it, you'll start hearing it much more now from all corners of the world as they wake and see the reality you call a farcical nonsense. Have a good day :-)

      larry.lachman.54 - 2012-11-16 11:19

      What elections have the Gazans had since Hamas was elected into power. Hamas did not wait even a week afer elected before Fatah (opposition) was banished from the territory, with some Fatah officials being thrown to their deaths from roof tops. Do you think Hamas will ever relinquish their power to a democratically elected opposition party. They will not even hold another election. That is not democracy.

      tommy.jones.754918 - 2012-11-16 11:39

      Sorry riyaad, your argument is a bit thin. You want to tell me there is not one open area where they can fire rockets from. A quick internet maps look at the area indicates lots and lots open areas. Why do they fire from populated areas? Re. weapons: Well, I'm not going give you a rifle or a chance to get a rifle so you can shoot me. That's like suicide.

      moses.mabhida.52 - 2012-11-16 11:44

      Hitler also came to power democratically riyaad.

      fidel.mgoqi - 2012-11-16 11:56

      Hitler was never voted into power. After he was Chancellor he banned the opposition parties and introduced all sorts of draconian measures to consolidate his hold on power. After neutralising the opposition there was another election, and the Nazis still failed to get an absolute majority - they got 45% of the vote. European history is obviously not your strong point. I'd stick to Israeli history if I were you.

      moses.mabhida.52 - 2012-11-16 12:28

      The Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (National Socialist German Workers Party) was elected as the party in control and he was appointed by the party as Chancellor of Germany in 1933 and declared himself Führer und Reichskanzler (Head of State) in 1934. Fidel, you should stick to being a repetitive copy/past racially prejudiced loser … for you know nothing of European history.

  • kaapse.skollie.7 - 2012-11-16 10:28

    In 2009, netanyahu nearly went full holocaust, sorry I meant genocide. Wonder how far he'll go this time to win the election.

      larry.lachman.54 - 2012-11-16 11:21

      Ignorant doofus. Netanyahoo is in no danger of losing the next elections. He is set to emerge even stronger regardless of current events. Israel must simply over-run Gaza and take it back into military occupation.

      rinus.groeneveld.7 - 2012-11-16 11:33

      “The timing of the attack is not a coincidence. Even though Israel’s Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is seen as the only option, he was also pushing hard for Romney to win,” Draitser told RT. “And now this attack could be one of the ways Netanyahu is trying to exercise his own power in the country, showing that Israel is not weak and that the administration will push forward with this imperialistic agenda no matter who won the US election.”

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