I brought France to its knees - gunman

2012-03-21 22:52

Toulouse - A besieged gunman suspected of shooting dead seven people in the name of al-Qaeda boasted to police on Wednesday he had brought France to its knees and said his only regret was not having been able to carry out his plans for more killings.

In an unfolding drama that has riveted France, about 300 police, some in body armour, cordoned off a five-storey building in a suburb of Toulouse where the 24-year-old Muslim shooter, identified as Mohamed Merah, is holed up.

Authorities said the gunman, a French citizen of Algerian origin, had been to Pakistan and Afghanistan, where he claimed to have received training from al-Qaeda.

Merah told police negotiators he had killed three French soldiers last week and four people at a Jewish school in Toulouse on Monday to avenge the deaths of Palestinian children and because of the French army's involvement in Afghanistan.

"He has no regrets, except not having more time to kill more people and he boasts that he has brought France to its knees," Paris Prosecutor Francois Molins, part of the anti-terrorist unit leading the investigation, told a news conference.

Not a martyr

The gunman, who filmed his killings with a small camera, had already identified another soldier and two police officers he wished to kill, Molins said.

The gunman had repeated promises to surrender this evening to members of the elite RAID unit surrounding the house, which had been evacuated of its other residents.

"He has explained that he is not suicidal, that he does not have the soul of a martyr and that he prefers to kill but to stay alive himself," Molins said.

Sarkozy, who is running for re-election in five weeks time, paid tribute at a ceremony in an army barracks in Montauban, near Toulouse, to the three soldiers of North African origin killed last week. A fourth soldier of Caribbean origin is in a coma.

"Our soldiers have not died in the way for which they had prepared themselves. This was not a death on the battlefield but a terrorist execution," Sarkozy said, standing before three coffins draped in the French flag after paying his respects to bereaved relatives.


"We must remain united. We should in no way yield to discrimination or vengeance," he said in his eulogy.

"France can only be great in unity. We owe it to the memory of these men, we owe it to the three murdered children, to all the victims."

Sarkozy's appeal for national unity came after far-right leader Marine Le Pen, a rival presidential candidate, said France should wage war on Islamic fundamentalism.

Interior Minister Claude Gueant said Merah was a member of an ideological Islamic group in France but this organisation was not involved in plotting any violence.

He said Merah had thrown a Colt 45 pistol of the kind used in all the shootings out of a window of the block of flats, where he has been living, in exchange for a mobile phone, but was still armed.

Two police officers were injured in a firefight with the gunman after police swooped at 03:00 local time (02:00 GMT).

Police sources said they had conducted a controlled explosion of the suspect's car at at about 09:00  (08:00 GMT) after discovering it was loaded with weapons.

Officials said police had also arrested Merah's girlfriend and his brother, who is also known to authorities as a radical Islamist.

  • Geronimo - 2012-03-21 23:26

    You know, if you are so opposed to France's involvement in Afghanistan or the treatment of your Muslim brothers that you are driven to slaughter innocent children at a school, why don't you piss off back to Algeria or any number of other Muslim countries. I'm sure you will feel much better there.

      pray4wind - 2012-03-22 02:54

      HUGH_this is your justification for the case involved...and I might add, its rather weak that you had to revert to insults!

      Passop - 2012-03-22 06:14

      @ Koos Cowards? As opposed to the British, French and more so, the US armed forces who have butchered THOUSANDS of women and children in Irag and Afghanistan? Catch a wake up dude! Just because it is done with an airstrike vs one person shooting at people does not make it any different. Murder is still murder irrespective of religious background

      Smell - 2012-03-22 06:34

      Passop, much of the butchering in Iraq was done between different sections of the population like Sunni vs Shia (still ongoing to this day). And the Taliban killing suspected collaborators in Afghanistan, or using civilians as human shields. Killing is killing, but there is a huge difference between targeting civilians and trying to avoid civilian casualties. And there is a huge difference between celebrating and regretting civilian casualties.

      Jacqueline - 2012-03-22 06:41

      @Koos: You cannot judge an entire religion based on the acts of one lone individual. The koran is taken out of contexts by the radical islam imams and then taught to highly susceptible individuals. Get your facts straight before you put a jihad on your head!

      Fidel - 2012-03-22 09:22

      @Smell Ever heard of Fallujah and the carpet bombing using white phosphorous that took place there? Look at the Iraqi war log files on wiki to see who has been slaughtering who. Don't take my word for it.

      James - 2012-03-22 10:41

      Smell. Do you remember why the coalition of the willing headed by America attacked Iraq in the first place. Let me refresh your memory. Oh yes for the WMD's. Did they find any??? Well did they? NO. They admitted that their intel was WRONG. The Americans and the other countries that joined them are responsible for the deaths of over 1000 000 (Million in case you forgot to count) innocent people all because of lies. There were no WMD's, but allot of oil. See if you can work that one out retard (the word is still used and 100% appropriate in your case) The only folk on your post who make any sense get a thumbs down. One word comes to mind. Retards (look I used it again).

      Heiku - 2012-03-22 12:02

      Lol James it looks like you forgot how to count

  • Brandon - 2012-03-21 23:52

    Killing children point blank who have no involvement in your 'war'? Now I hate Islam even more!!! Viva Marine Le Pen!

      Hallo - 2012-03-21 23:58

      Yet its people like her that fuels situations like this.

      Sam - 2012-03-22 06:51

      You hate Islam? What religion do you belong to?

  • Andy - 2012-03-21 23:53

    What are they waiting for? he has no hostage.

      Ian - 2012-03-22 00:39

      yeah, blow that rag off his head

      Fred - 2012-03-22 01:40

      Ian, that's disgusting and inhuman

      Fred - 2012-03-22 04:01

      Ian's comment is racist.

      Ian - 2012-03-22 06:59

      @fred, oh shame really now, and what is hijacking and crashing passenger aircraft into buildings, what is simultanously setting off nail and broken glass laded bombs at a holiday resort, what is setting multiple bombs on a passenger train, should I go on about inhumane and disgusting FRED would you like to me to go on FRED, get a freaking life you leftist terrorist lover, have you ever seen what explosives can do to a human being and no not in movies, for real, because I have, ghet off your bleeding hearts oh the poor muslims soap box, what an idiot

      Fred - 2012-03-22 07:56

      That's disgusting Ian. And none of what you write has any baring on your racist, inhuman statement.

      Jaba - 2012-03-22 10:29

      Fred & Ian – I have read both your posts in the past. Usually you both are on the same side! Ian – Fred is not terrorist lover, on the contrary he stands up against many racists on this site who portray terror as a positive act. Ian I agree that terrorists are scum of the earth. However speaking out of anger for the lives lost this week will not help – and branding a whole religion will not help either. Please remember some of the dead are Muslims. There is another community that is mourning its losses today. I agree on this point though. Islam MUST stand up to fundamentalism and fight back, for Islam has been hijacked by terrorist. Instead of fighting ‘Islam’ we must support them in their struggle to eradicate fundamentalism in their midst.

  • Smell - 2012-03-21 23:56

    There are mentally or morally deranged individuals of all religious persuasions (or without religious persuasion), who would not hesitate to kill innocent human beings - such people belong in a secure asylum or behind bars. The Islamic world is rightfully infuriated when secular or Judeo-Christian acts of aggression results in civilian casualties. However, the vast majority of those cases seems to be of the "collateral" kind - the West seems to at least be trying to avoid civilian casualties. What kind of religion or culture would celebrate murderous acts where civilians are the actual target? The moral leaders in the great Islamic culture should stand up and be counted.

      Koos - 2012-03-22 00:28

      I'm trying to count them but the must be invisible to the naked eye.

      Ian - 2012-03-22 00:38

      9/11, 7/7. madrid, bali, to name a few, they dont care, all they are concerned about is killing, maiming and destruction, its all they know, after 9/11 they should have been nuked, 1 quick strike, end of story

      Fred - 2012-03-22 04:02

      Ian, I understand your rage but that's insane

      Alfred - 2012-03-22 06:38

      @Ian America, Israel and Nato have killed at least one hundred times as many innocent civilians, including children, as islamic terrorists have killed Jews and westerners. Apparently its just fine and dandy to drop bombs, phosphorous and depleted uranium on schools and hospitals, killing thousands of innocent people. calling it 'collateral damage' somehow makes it okay. The 9/11 terrorists killed three thousand american civilians so america attacked Iraq, which had absolutely nothing to do with 9/11, totally destroying that country, killing and maiming hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians, and making the lives of millions absolute misery, but you apparently have no problem with that. Why? Is it because they were only muslims? Your suggestion that the west simply 'nuke' all muslim cities and countries is that of a rabid, raving lunatic. You are actually advocating the death of hundreds of millions of innocent civilians merely because they are muslims. Your mentality makes Mohamed Merah look positively sane and rational.

      Smell - 2012-03-22 06:49

      Alfred you make some sense, but you must be "special" to believe that the West would deliberately target schools and hospitals. I do agree that Koos and Ian are overstepping the line here.

      Ian - 2012-03-22 07:01


      Fred - 2012-03-22 07:57

      Alfred, you're talking absolute nonsense. Writing those words don't make them true.

      Alfred - 2012-03-22 12:49

      So Fred how about articles published in Nature and The Lancet, would you also dispute their truth? In a study done by the Johns Hopkins Institute and published in Nature and The Lancet two of the most prestigious scientific journals on the planet, (yes I know idiots like you attach little significance to scientific studies) They calculated at least 100 000 deaths due to the war, and that was published in March 2003. Here is a quote from that article; "Most of the dead were women and children killed in military activity, particularly air strikes, the researchers report. The results "demand a re-evaluation of the consequences of weaponry now used by coalition forces in populated areas", they write in The Lancet." So Fred I suppose just because an article is published in Nature and The Lancet, doesn't make it true, hey? Idiot.

  • charmaine.rowlands - 2012-03-22 00:16

    without sounding like a racist... these people are a scourge on the world! I have ZERO tolerance for any "religion/sect" that takes the lives of the innocent. Shooting little children at point-blank range deserves NOTHING less than the death penalty, even if it's not law in the country where the crime takes place. Sick to my stomach of you people!! (my deepest, deepest sympathies to the families of the victims - South Africa)

      Ian - 2012-03-22 00:35

      you have my vote

      Passop - 2012-03-22 06:19

      "These people" Do you mean French Algerians? That or you DO sound like a racist.

      Heiku - 2012-03-22 12:08

      Passop she means crazy muslims are you stupid

  • abdullah.sujee - 2012-03-22 00:32

    Are we so blind ? Was it mentioned ONCE that he killed in the name of islam ? and even if he said he did no one made him a ambassador of islam. Why when the solider in afghanistan who murdered in cold blood 12 people no mention of his religion was made. The powers that be in the world are turning people against muslims, judging from your reactions looks like media brainwashing works.

      Fred - 2012-03-22 00:44

      You're wrong. For as long as you and fellow Muslims don't speak up and differentiate yourselves from these mad killers, you are associated with them. It is your responsibility to speak up and end what they ARE doing in the name of Islam. It's not the direct responsibility of non-Muslims to do this. It's yours.

      Fred - 2012-03-22 00:47

      You have to drop your poor-me pseudo-victim mindset first, though, or you'll never get going. And Islam will continue to have an awful image, and rightfully so. It's up to you and fell Muslims in the first instance. No-one's oppressing you. You're oppressing yourselves.

      Koos - 2012-03-22 00:49

      Thanks Fred. The real question: are there really a difference?

      Berthram Bowles - 2012-03-22 00:51

      What do I see when I look at comments on news sites these days? What I expect to see: if it's not something concerning racism, it concerns homophobia. It is does not concern homophobia, it concerns religious arguments. This is what the news is these days. This is what the commentators are these days. All sitting on the side yet full of opinions.

      Mathilda - 2012-03-22 00:55

      @abdullah.sujee - Please outright condemn this attack as well as Islamic extremism, and then maybe, maybe we can take your complaint seriously. Be vocal and specific in distancing yourself from the extremists in the Islamic faith, or be counted as one of them.

      Smell - 2012-03-22 01:04

      Mr.Sujee there are crazy individuals everywhere. But their actions should invite harsh condemnation and not celebration. As far as can tell the US and its citizens are deeply ashamed of what that soldier did in Afghanistan. A formal apology was issued to Pres. Karzai by Pres. Obama. Mr. Sujee did you ever see US civilians celebrate in the street when civilians died in Iraq or Afghanistan. The West just do not consider civilians as legitimate targets. Contrast that with the nudge-nudge wink-wink attitude to the Gazan militants firing rockets at Israeli civilians, or the culture of suicide bombing in civilian areas like marketplaces. And the jubilant reaction on the Arab street when thousands of innocent civilians were killed on 9/11.

      Hugh_Influence - 2012-03-22 01:26

      Berthram I'm with you on that one. It's no wonder governments get away with so much war - because their armies are made up of ignorant soldiers, backed but lazy bigots "back home" who's greatest concern in life is whether they can afford another unfulfilled luxury. Reading through News24 comments is almost enough to make me hate the entire human race. Thank God I know that not all people are as dimwitted or ignorant as these keyboard warriors are.

      Fred - 2012-03-22 01:36

      There is a key difference: Islam has the core beliefs that martyring oneself is holy and human life is less valuable than the life hereafter. Jihadists use these beliefs in the most brutal and bloodthirsty way, to further their own narrow, oppressive, chauvinistic, self-serving aims. The hundreds of millions of truer Muslims are letting them do this, without opposition, for misguided tribal reasons. Hence Islam has an awful image, worse than the other religions, and rightfully so. Until Muslims speak up and differentiate themselves from the Jihadists, and change the core beliefs, this will continue to be so.

      Eric Schollar - 2012-03-22 04:49

      Well said Fred, Mathilda and Small

      Muhammed Bhyat - 2012-03-22 05:33

      The motives of this cold-blooded murderer is yet to be ascertained. We l have a responsibility of condemning this act of terrorism. But since it is not established that this act was done in the name of Islam the sole responsibility of condemnation should not lie with Muslims. Furthermore, if this was carried out in the name of Islam, and the killer does not consider it as a major sin, than he may well be out of the fold of Islam. We should always be balanced in what we say. Never speak out of emotion.

      Muhammed Bhyat - 2012-03-22 05:36

      * We all have a responsibility of condemning this act of terrorism.

      Nazeem - 2012-03-22 07:46

      Goodmorning Ian/Fred,I do not condone the killing of children/human beings for any reason, Islam teaches that killing one person for without justification is like killing the entire human race and saving one person is like saving the entire human race,for the record it is totally against Islam even in war to kill children and the elderly.Islam is still the fastest growing/faith way of life in the world.The question you must ask yourself is why?,Iam not referring to this case but remember one persons terorist is another's freedom fighter.

      Fred - 2012-03-22 07:59

      I agree with that you write, Nazeem, except that one person's terrorist IS NOT another person's freedom fighter. You have to look at their respective goals. Are they aimed towards greater, higher expression of humanity, or greater oppression and chauvinism. A very clear difference exists.

      Koos - 2012-03-22 08:01

      Justification, killing people that does not follow Islam?

      Nazeem - 2012-03-22 08:21

      @Fred,thank you for the reminder,agreed I must add that you have to look at their respective goals.I strongly condemn this despicable act,this act is not condoned by Islam and was not the teachings of the Prophet of Islam as mentioned earlier.

      abdullah.sujee - 2012-03-22 09:36

      I dont see why it is the duty of muslims to condemn this just because he is allegedly a muslim. Yes we condemn acts of violence.But asking the muslim world only to condemn this means that we 'accept responsibity' and we dont. Was the christian world asked to stand up and condemn the soldier in afghanistan ? Why the double standards ?

      abdullah.sujee - 2012-03-22 09:46

      Please read this article published in the UK Guardian and this will shed some light on how the US government and FBI are trying to tarnish the name of Islam..

      Jaba - 2012-03-22 10:38

      Could not agree with you more Fred!

      Zebedi - 2012-03-22 11:29

      Here is an IOL excerpt: Merah's lawyer Christian Etelin, who has defended him in several minor crimes, said that his client had a tendency towards violence that had worsened after a stay in prison and trips to Afghanistan and Pakistan. "There was his religious engagement, an increasing hatred against the values of a democratic society and a desire to impose what he believes is truth," Etelin told France 2 television. (Additional reporting by Jean Decotte and Nick Vinocur in Toulouse and by; Daniel Flynn and

  • Hugh_Influence - 2012-03-22 01:20

    You people are SICKER than the guy who killed these children. How can you condemn a whole culture of people - in this case Muslims - because of one nutcase? So, all you righteous Christians, if that's how you feel you should denounce your faith, since your priests have throughout centuries and still today killed millions, raped and molested little kids. Black, white, Muslim, Christian... they've all killed! You can't point fingers! The USA is the worst - killing for money! They profit off war, and sell it to the public in a neat little package, knowing the bulk of the people waving their flag are Mac Donalds guzzling, couch potatoes - and the same can be said for most of the rest of the Western world. I know MANY awesome, giving, kind, charitable, patriotic, peaceful Muslims and just as many Christians, Atheists, Blacks, Coloureds, Whites and any other mixed bag you can think of. I've met almost as many who are real a$$h@les too, but I'm not going to condemn a whole race, culture or nation of people because of one sick f***k. YOU people need your heads read, you need to LEARN a little more about the world and travel, not be so closed minded, ignorant and malicious. GROW UP, show a little intelligence and a LOT more compassion for the people sharing your planet.

      Fred - 2012-03-22 01:39

      I agree with you up to a point. It's more than just "one nutcase". There's a whole band of Jihadists who are doing this and have killed and maimed hundreds of thousands of civilians in Iraq, Afghanistan, Africa and elsewhere, mainly Muslims it must be said. This is the irony. Why would Muslims allow this to continue without much opposition? Because of the core beliefs that martyring oneself is holy and human life is less valuable than the life hereafter.

      Smell - 2012-03-22 02:14

      Hughy, please get off your high horse. And easy on the hyperbole (like priests killing millions) - you diminish the impact of your otherwise reasonable arguments. All cultures and religions have been guilty of atrocities. But this is the year 2012, and events like the Spanish Inquisition is really in the distant past. We are trying to address the current players targetting civilians and actually celebrating the killing of innocents.

      pray4wind - 2012-03-22 03:01

      HUGH_blah, blah, blah! Grow out of your ignorant teens please, then come back! ...and please do link your news24 account to your REAL FB account, you sissy!

  • Niki - 2012-03-22 01:48

    Bottom line: Kid killer and proud of it. And no, that is not what Islam is about.

      Smell - 2012-03-22 04:00

      There you are, finally, the concise word of reason. No-one does it better than the Bohemians. :)

  • louwc - 2012-03-22 03:58

    It is just sad..The whole thing is just sad. People got killed, kids even and we use that sad event to vent our (expert) opinions...sad..

  • Muhammed Bhyat - 2012-03-22 05:25

    This killer has committed a major sin and if he does not consider it as such - if he considers it to be an act of virtue - he may well be out of the fold of Islam. We should all commiserate with the families of those who have passed away in any situation. May the people of France recover from this atrocity.

      Fred - 2012-03-22 05:45

      These energies are still too dense and dark Muhammed.

      Smell - 2012-03-22 06:17

      Thank you Dr. Bhyat. This is exactly what is required: people of different faiths clarifying that the killing of innocents is not congruent with the will of God - kind of obvious, but nice to have confirmed in public.

      Fred - 2012-03-22 08:00

      He's telling you he's a Jihadist. He's trained in Afghanistan. And you're wondering whether "he's in the Muslim fold" whatever that means.

      Jaba - 2012-03-22 10:50

      Muhammed - Just the other day you said that I am deserving of death for being a pro-Israel (ie a Zionist). Good Muslims need not just denounce this act… but condemn all fundamentalism and all terror groups around the world – If they do, I promise you there will be peace everywhere; As Terror groups drop their violence and start negotiating. Compromise, not war is our only option.

      Muhammed - 2012-03-22 12:01

      The Zionist-Muslim issue is a totally separate issue. @ Fred & Jaba: Both of you have made it clear that you support violence and killing against innocent people and on this basis we must lament the fact that there is nothing further for us to discuss or debate. Zionism is a darkness upon darkness and any other act of terrorism is no different. Like you must condemn Zionism we must all condemn this act. There shall be no double standards when it comes to the condemnation of terrorism. You must be fair.

  • malcolm - 2012-03-22 06:50

    All terrorists are mentally challenged cowards. Killing and maiming innocent children is their standard style. Sadly Western and European governments create terrorists through their own militant, bullying actions, like attacking countries like Iraq, Libya etc. The NATO nations are basically all terrorists states in disguise. They kill more innocent civilians and children than any other countries on Earth.

  • Itu Santino Cortez - 2012-03-22 07:04

    I wish he could try that in South Africa, :) .

      Sam - 2012-03-22 11:45

      One should never wish things like this upon others. Have you no shame!?

  • Itu Santino Cortez - 2012-03-22 07:10

    I wish he could try that in South Africa, :) .

      TBlogger - 2012-03-22 11:57

      You are a sick fool, why would you wish that?

  • Peter Zylstra - 2012-03-22 07:23

    Why no condemnation from the muslim world? Enough said!

      abdullah.sujee - 2012-03-22 09:41

      Why should ONLY the muslim world condemn ? Did the Christian world have to condemn the Oklahoma bombings ? humanity needs to condemn, its not just the muslim world..Making only the muslim world condemn it means the blame falls on muslims, and it doesnt.

      Jaba - 2012-03-22 10:59

      abdullah.sujee – with all due respect (and there is respect) this terrorist is using Islam (more importantly Jihad) as the motivation for his action. We both know that it’s not true, however because he has used this pretext, it is all the more important that the Muslim world condemn him and his act.

  • shandukane.moshatana - 2012-03-22 07:51

    unlike America the French ppl don't happy that they want to arrest him and question him.....

  • Fidel - 2012-03-22 08:02

    Countries like France, as part of the Nato terrorist group have brought unwanton terror and destruction to a lot of countries and it is only right that they also experience the terror that they export abroad.

      Koos - 2012-03-22 08:40

      Infidel on his mission of bashing the Terrible West again. Can I buy you a one way ticket to Syria/Iran/Gaza please?

      Fidel - 2012-03-22 09:19

      You could buy yourself a ticket to Netherlands, Israel or the US, your money, your pick. I'm perfectly at home in Africa.

  • Den - 2012-03-22 08:46

    just kill him whats the problem?

  • malcolm - 2012-03-22 08:58

    I am against any killing. It is not normal sane behaviour of any person to want to go out and maime or murder. I honestly don't believe the majority of civilians in this world would normally want to commit these acts. What I believe happens, is that we are conditioned over many years by our various greedy leaders to hate and be led to war for their leaders own selfish means. We have been conditioned / brainwashed to take sides. Few people have open minded ability to see things for what they are, and have balanced opinions.

  • Irma - 2012-03-22 08:58

    Like his killing innocent people makes him any better than the killers of the people he is trying to avenge. What an idiot. At 24 he had his whole life ahead of him and he chose to be bitter and murder, instead of using his passion for good.

  • Sam - 2012-03-22 09:33

    How many Christians go on killing sprees like and no one says anything.How many Christians murder and rape without any reference made to their religion, but let a person who is Muslim do something wrong, then the whole worlds jumps to conclusions. He has NO right to kill people according to Islam or any religion for that matter, but we also have NO right to judge the situation based on religion. It is not because of Islam or Christianity that people do bad things, it is because they have developed crazy radical beliefs in their own strange world.

      Fidel - 2012-03-22 09:50

      A 1000 recommends!

      Jaba - 2012-03-22 11:08

      Yes, but... This guy used Islam as a reason for his cowardly act, and as such condemnation is needed from the Muslim community. If the Navy Seal that killed the 16 Afghans said that he killed them due to his Christian belief - I promise you 1.5 billion Christians would denounce him. In fact if I am not mistaken, we did get condemnation of this act from the American Army / People & the White House. This guy has hijacked Islam in the name of terror – Islam must fight him back by simply telling us (planet earth) that they will not accept this form of behaviour, and that this behaviour is un-Islamic.

  • TBlogger - 2012-03-22 11:55

    No religion condones the killing of innocent lives. The entire muslim world cannot be responsible for the actions of extermists. Why is it that just a short week or 2 ago when a soldier went on a rampage killing innocent Afghans (children included) you fools did not condemn him? Instead, he was dubbed as "ill" by the US government stating he cannot recall his actions. Get a bit of a clue, you are living among muslims in this country who go about their everyday lives doing no harm onto you yet you generalise and condemn the Islamic Faith. Shame on you

      shafick - 2012-03-22 12:18


      Sam - 2012-03-22 14:21

      Well said TBlogger! I live in Muslim country but I am not Muslim. The Muslim people are great, kind, honest, genuine and very family orientated. Also it is so safe living here, more so than in my own country anyway! But people will always condemn Islamic faith,and generalize. I long for the day when these two religions can live in peace. After all he is the same God/Allah.

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