Islamic Jihad rockets 'can hit Tel Aviv'

2012-03-16 20:02

Gaza City - The Gaza-based militant group Islamic Jihad has weapons that can reach Tel Aviv, a member of the group's armed wing the Quds Brigades has said in an interview.

The Quds Brigades fired most of the rockets that hit Israel in the past week's four-day conflict between Gaza militants and the Jewish state.

A member of the armed wing, who goes by the nom de guerre Abu Ibrahim, said the group was ready to expand the reach of its rocket fire beyond the Israeli town of Ashdod, which lies about 35km outside Gaza.

"If the occupation targets any leader of any Palestinian group whatsoever or any citizen, the Brigades will respond with force and expand the reach of the response beyond Ashdod," he said.

"The enemy is aware of the range that the Brigades rockets can reach," he said, adding that the Quds Brigades possessed "many thousands" of rockets.

Islamic Jihad took the lead in attacking Israel during the recent confrontation, which began on March 9 with Israel's assassination of the commander of the Popular Resistance Committees militant group.

Fledgling truce

By the time a truce was announced on Tuesday, 25 Palestinians had been killed - many of them from Islamic Jihad - and at least 250 rockets had been fired into Israel, around 180 of them launched by the group.

Some rockets landed nearly 40km inside Israel, not far from the outskirts of Tel Aviv.

A lone rocket was fired from Gaza into Israel during the first 12 hours of Friday, the Israeli military said, as the fledgling truce firmed up.

Abu Ibrahim said the Quds Brigades have "developed long-range rockets and if the aggression returns, they could be used to reach towns far beyond Ashdod".

Abu Ibrahim said the group was receiving significant help from Lebanon's Hezbollah organisation, which he said provides "fundamental support" to the Quds Brigades, particularly by "facilitating the training of fighters".

Another Quds Brigades member, who spoke to AFP on condition of anonymity, said "certain resistance groups, including the Quds Brigades, have Fajr-3 and Fajr-5 missiles, with a range of 60-110km".

"But they are not for use unless Israel targets an important figure," he said.

He also claimed that Gaza militants possessed SAM-7 missiles which he said had been fired at Israeli helicopters last year.

  • phathuchicos - 2012-03-16 20:22 lets put them to test to see if that their endowment is really what they are claiming...

      Boaz - 2012-03-17 13:16

      Prof Kedar explains some facts. EVERY word was true it is now.

  • bluzulu - 2012-03-16 20:27

    This war will never end till such time the state of Israel does not exist. This part of the world was a nomadic land shared by Jews, Muslims and later Christians with no international borders till after the second world war. This area was called the Ottoman empire then the West decided to install international borders thereby creating the state of Israel. Fact: Some of the Oldest Mosques and Islamic Relics are located within the borders of Israel. These have not been placed there recently however these have been there since before the Christian calender that the world follows (BC).

      Herman - 2012-03-16 21:22

      Haha, this is quite funny, since Islam only start 600 AD. I would like to know where this old (BC) Mosques and Islamic Relics came from? It is like the graveyard they found in Israel, with the date on it of 200BC. It is just completely impossible.

      Anneck - 2012-03-16 21:25

      Small correction to make @ Bluzulu: While you are right in that this area was called the Ottoman empire, it was also uninhabited. The only population of that whole area were found in the towns and cities, and they were mostly Jewish and Christian. Not Muslim. The Jews fled these cities, escaping persecution, into the uninhabited areas, which were owned by Turkish landlords called efendis. The Jews bought land from these efendis at greatly inflated prices, and it was the Jews that made the land fertile. Only later did Muslims move into the area seeking work from the Jews. The muslims then became jealous, starting a conflict which has become what it is today. I hope you are paying attention @The Azanian!

      Dmitri - 2012-03-16 21:27

      Israel is not going anywhere. When you mention borders, are you referring to pre/post 1948 ???. Christianity was there before Islam. Jesus is mentioned in the Koran - check it out.

      Anneck - 2012-03-16 21:39

      @Herman, that hadn't crossed my mind! Good point.

      schewitz - 2012-03-16 22:06

      we here to stay... we have the strongest economy, the strongest army and the strongest air force we going no where and we will defeat all our enemies. so by your remarks jordan should not exists, syria should not exists, Lebanon should not exists, saudi arabia should not exists. FACT: there was no sharing... there was Islamic dominance and racist laws.

      bluzulu - 2012-03-17 06:52

      @ Dimitri, In fact the name Jesus appears in the Koran More times than the name Mohamed.....This is fact , check that out.

      bluzulu - 2012-03-17 07:25

      @ Anna , This land was not uninhabited, This was Nomadic lands as described in my post. Listen if you are familiar with the terrain of this part of the world, Early human inhabitants could not sustain life at one location as the land would not support them for extended timeframes hence the Nomadic lifestyle which is currentluy displayed by many African tribes in Northen Africa today.

      bluzulu - 2012-03-17 07:29

      @ Joshua, You constant referal to "We are" is exactly the problem liberal opened minded people have with Israeli Foreign policy.

      Garth - 2012-03-17 12:47

      @bluzulu & anneck - you have google at your fingertips! Why would you choose to write such drivel? Neither of you has a complete clue as to the history of this contested land. You have pulled fragments from who-knows-where and cemented them together with a brown(normally) waste product.

      bluzulu - 2012-03-17 14:40

      @ Garth.... Well well drivel aay, This is factual , Tis people like you who deflect the facts.

      Garth - 2012-03-17 15:41

      @bluzulu - I am not going to give you a history lesson on the area first known as the land of the Philistine - you can research it yourself. What I am saying is do not post `drivel'. Research the bleeding topic!

      schewitz - 2012-03-17 18:56

      "we" i am the we I am Israeli.

      Hugo - 2012-03-18 20:36

      bull! There were no muslim until around 600 AD.That land has always belonged to the Jews for millenia.After the advent of christianity they happily shared it with christians.The mad prophet and his band of desert bandits waged a series of wars of conquests resulting in that region being temporarily in the hands of muslims inthe 10/11 th century was retaken by the crusades in the 12/13 th century.That land has always been jewish.Israel must fight fire with brimstone and more fire.pity they dont allow foreigners in their army!

      Anwar - 2012-03-19 16:04

      The land belongs to the Believers, Judaism came about because the believers then, stopped believing in God's message and rejected Jesus, hence breaking away from true faith and Judaism was born. Likewise the message continued after Jesus, and the Believers went astray once again and hailed Jesus as the son of GOD and hence brokeaway again from true faith and Christianity was born. The true faith lives on now in the only Monothiestic religion.. Islam.

      Dar - 2012-03-20 07:38

      There was never a Jewish majority in Palestine until very recently, Palestinians(The region was inhabited by non-Jews, the recorded history shows a group of coastal cities and heavily forested mountains inhabited by a Semitic people, the Canaanites which are regarded as the first known inhabitants of this area, around 4000 BC. These early inhabitants called their nation Canaan. Note “Palestinians come from mostly Phoenician blood which is a mix of the original Canaanites and the blood of invading armies that occupied that part of the world”.) lived in Palestine for thousands of years. Palestinians are mainly made up of Muslims (The religion most of the inhabitants of Palestine adopted willingly and which later on caused them to be classified as Arabs) a minority of Christians, Jews (The ancient Israelites moved in around 3000 years ago), and Druze. European Jewish settlers began to steadily arrive in 1882 but there was never anything other than an overwhelming Arab majority until a few weeks before the “Nakba” (Arabic word for catastrophe) otherwise known as the establishment of the state of “Israel”

      Fred - 2012-04-04 15:42

      The Israelites have been in the area as long as the other tribes. This is recorded fact.

  • bluzulu - 2012-03-16 20:44

    Gotta wonder though "How can a culture that has been a victim of a Holocaust , Instigate and sustain a Holocaust against another culture. have they not learn't what it feels like to be at the barrel end of a gun?

      phathuchicos - 2012-03-16 20:58

      They say when you spend your time hunting the dragon you become the dragon...

      Anneck - 2012-03-16 21:29

      @Bluzulu, that is exactly what the Palestinians want you to think! How would you feel if your next door neighbour called for your house to be knocked down? How would you feel if your neighbour threw stones at you from over the fence, and the police did absolutely nothing?

      Muhammed Bhyat - 2012-03-16 21:32

      @ bluzulu: I commend you on your excellent opinion that is based on nothing else but fact. Thank you.

      schewitz - 2012-03-16 22:08

      Do not belittle our suffering. Palestinians do not n what suffering is. There is no holocaust, no genocide, no apartheid, no massacre here. There is Palestinian lies and propaganda

      schewitz - 2012-03-16 23:50

      @muhammed are u referring to me as an individual or to the whole jewish and fact loving world. ether way u way out of line. calling for mass murder of jews has be done before and we all know who won the end. and calling for the murder of an individual is not legal or moral

      Larry - 2012-03-17 10:07

      Bluzulu is just an idiot so we can forgive him. Muhummad, the death of a few thousand Palestinian militants and fewer civilian from military skirmishes does not add up to a holocaust. Compared to 6 million dead in death camps, and even the now almost 10 000 dead by the hands of Syrian government, all the world can make this basic comparison except you and your filthy murderous kind. You are morally odious and death will be coming your way long before the good Jewish people of this world. A few rockets may reach tel Aviv, but Israel will respond with stronger force against gaza city. Only Israel wins. Muhummad, you are just suffering from permanent state of humiliation and will continue to be the case.

      bluzulu - 2012-03-17 11:43

      @ Larry, Idiot aay. Is that the best you can do considering you have taken this route to explain your point of view. Maybe those chemicals you work with ain't that soft? just maybe. Anyway I digress, your rant seems excessive and Zionist in the extreme. Calm down get an Icecream.

      Larry - 2012-03-17 12:42

      Yep, just a simpleton idiot. Nothing else to say.

      bluzulu - 2012-03-17 14:37

      Larry Larry,

      Hugo - 2012-03-18 20:43

      Jews must fight till the bitter end.We will not sit and watch while history is being changed to please oil masters.That land belongs to the Jewish state of Israel.What the stupid media does not say is that arabs and other minority groups have equal rights in Israel while muslim countries are known to teach kids as young as two years to hate and possibly kill jews(when they are grown).Hatred for jews is the basis of Islam.We are not going to sit back and watch people being decimated by a bunch of koran-reading terrorists

  • phathuchicos - 2012-03-16 21:00

    The U's plans of a jew state and muslim state living side by side was never a good idea at all. Because this guys will fight until palestine or israel cease to exist...yet neither one of them is willing to let go and give up what the otherside wants.

      Fred - 2012-03-16 21:19

      The Palestinian side is being fueled by the dictators in the region, who are falling fast. The dynamic will change when they're gone.

      Anneck - 2012-03-16 21:31

      @The Azanian, get out your world atlas. Can you see a "Palestine" on the map? No! Get over it!

      bluzulu - 2012-03-17 07:30

      @Anne, Palestine is recognized by the UN, there's a start finally.

      Tommy - 2012-03-17 10:08

      At bluzu, so, the independent states of the Orange Free State and the Old Transvaal were recognized states by the UN predecessor.

      bluzulu - 2012-03-17 10:33

      @ Tommy,Does the OFS and Tranavaal have representation at the UN ?.......The answer is NO.

      bluzulu - 2012-03-17 10:36

      @ Anneck, The country , Tibet is no longer indicated in World maps and we all know how the world looked in the opposite direction whilst China annexed a sovereign state. The fact that is not indicated on a world map does not meet it does not exist!!

  • Muhammed Bhyat - 2012-03-16 21:29

    Bismarck: ‘Do I want war? Of course not. I want victory.’

      Anneck - 2012-03-16 21:41

      Victory for something that never existed?

      Muhammed Bhyat - 2012-03-16 21:49

      What do you mean? Do you not follow what is happening in that region? Peace, freedom and justice are only to be found where people are prepared to defend them. And success lies in the readiness to use force or threaten force against aggressors.

      Anneck - 2012-03-16 22:00

      Exactly @ Muhammed! Israel has every right to defend itself! You want peace? Tell your Palestinian militant friends to stop firing rockets!

      schewitz - 2012-03-16 22:10

      Thats why Israel will do what ever it needs to do. We want victory and victory is not hard when one has the strongest army, navy air-force and people in the area.

      Muhammed Bhyat - 2012-03-16 22:12

      One can have the most powerful terrorist army in the world, but in time justice always prevails. This is the system of our Maker.

      Fred - 2012-03-16 22:29

      Muhammed, a quick question: are you willing to give back the land on which your house in South Africa is situated to the Khoi San?

      schewitz - 2012-03-16 23:05

      @ muhammed whats it like to live in fantasy world... do u also believe that cows can fly

      Fred - 2012-03-16 23:08

      You're avoiding the question. By your own definition, you're living on occupied land.

      Fred - 2012-03-16 23:13

      Once you've uprooted Israelis and removed from the land currently called Israel, what will you do with the land?

      schewitz - 2012-03-16 23:32

      i have heard many many lies about what israel does but please this is just absurd. @muhammed pulled your head out of the sand i think u need fresh air

      Muhammed Bhyat - 2012-03-17 07:22

      You guys make me laugh and your arguments are flawed.. All you really are demonstrating is your ignorance of the Muslim-Zionist conflict. You must know that you are not qualified to even render an opinion on the matter.

      Larry - 2012-03-17 10:25

      You will never get victory. You will only get endless humiliation as has been the case for the last 60 years.

      Gerhard - 2012-03-17 11:31

      Muslims have always been oriental story tellers.

      Muhammed Bhyat - 2012-03-17 12:04

      You guys are nothing less than racists and we do witness that the ANC is justly making policies against your kind in avenge for your past and present acts and speech of racism. Also note well that victory is in the hands of the slaves of God. Until your last breathe of air and your final heartbeat in this world there is always much hope for you. May God have mercy on you and soften you hearts and cure you from racism and hate.

      Boaz - 2012-03-17 13:07

      Muhammed you are a racist and a bigot. furthermore, and more importantly, you are an absolute disgrace to your respected name.

      Muhammed Bhyat - 2012-03-17 13:57

      We all know those who speaks with forked tongues and we can all easily make out the terrorists. May peace, justice and equality become the hallmarks of our life.

      Fred - 2012-03-17 16:58

      Muhammed, once you've uprooted Israelis and removed them from the land currently called Israel, what will you do with that land?

      Fred - 2012-03-17 17:08

      Muhammed, once you've uprooted Israelis and removed them from the land currently called Israel, what will you do with that land?

      Muhammed Bhyat - 2012-03-17 17:50

      @ Fred: When that happens, we can all celebrate that evil has been overcome. Once peace is established in the Middle-East - peace by justice and rule of law - than we will all have an opportunity at establishing world peace. Conflict will become something of the past.

      Fred - 2012-03-17 20:16

      Muhammed, you haven't answered the question. Here it is again: Once you've uprooted Israelis and removed them from the land currently called Israel, what will you do with that land?

      Fred - 2012-03-17 20:51

      Muhammed, you haven't answered the question. Here it is again: Once you've uprooted Israelis and removed them from the land currently called Israel, what will you do with that land?

      Fred - 2012-03-17 22:57

      I'm not seeing the answer to my question. Here it is again: Once you've uprooted Israelis and removed them from the land currently called Israel, what will you do with that land?

      Muhammed Bhyat - 2012-03-17 23:09

      @ Fred: Have you not read, I stated your question is absurd. You patently and proudly support genocide and stealing of land. Now when the Palestinians are giving their lives in defense of their mother land you sneer at that with sarcasm, that even vicious animals will never demonstrate, and taunt them for wanting back their mother land!!! What kind of behaviour is this? What kind of humanity do you possess? What kind of policies do you support that you resist rightful land ownership! Is that not what we saw in the dark days of Apartheid in South Africa. And the same policies, Nay! Worse policies! You support! How do sleep at night?

      Fred - 2012-03-17 23:30

      Are you saying you would give the land to the Palestinians, who were the historical inhabitants of the land?

      Muhammed Bhyat - 2012-03-17 23:51

      @ Fred: I know your tactics too well and know exactly where you trying to hijack this discussion. I know what you are trying to suggest and I even know your intentions. What you must recognize is that truth always prevails over falsehood. Perhaps a historical and religious expect needs to be elaborated upon (Oh, I understand that you will reject and categorically deny this. You will dislike this comment ad nauseum You will find this entire account flawed. And you will rebuke it. This is because it is true. And on this basis I will have defined our positions and make it clear that as such, unless you do not surrender to the truth, there is regrettably no platform for further discussion): You have to understand that Jews and Israel are not necessarily the one and same thing but there is unfortunately great areas of overlapping and confusion. However, this is up to the Jews themselves to sort out because they are the ones who constantly revise their religious beliefs for worldly gains and this is clear from the historical consensus of orthodox Jews that once upon a time God delegated the Children of Israel to be state protectorate of the Blessed Land of the Prophets under the conditions that they adhere by the legislated boundaries in the Torah. After the Jews repeatedly demonstrated nothing but persistent incompetence in adhering to the legislations which were prerequisite to the state protectorate, God banished them from the Blessed Land permanently until the advent of the Holy Messiah.\\\\r\\\\nAfter centuries of animosity amongst themselves and accumulating impatience with their disgraced, scattered and disunified state, and their inordinate greed for the share in the prophetic blessings of which they were forbidden from even coming near despite being descended from such sacred lineage, they forced themselves back to the Holy Land against the most fundamental and sacrosanct legislations of the Torah while disbelieving in and dishonouring, instead of responding appropriately to, the Messiah (peace be upon him) which their Lord sent to them and furthermore disbelieving in the Final Messenger (peace and blessings of God be upon him) which He sent afterwards to both the Jews and the Christians. Even more ridiculous, despite the general admittance among the Jews of Muhammad's Prophethood, they could not easily deny the Final Messenger just as they easily denied the Messiah because he reaffirmed the Torah far more emphatically and warned them of their superseded ancient covenant. So, for centuries from the beginning of their divine ordainment as God's chosen nation until reaching the level of God's banishment and condemned nation, the Jews out of vengeance against God Himself and unparalleled worldly greed conspired to settle the Divine Banishment from the Holy Land once and for all by forcing themselves back with genocidal carnage and repeated the ancient genocide of the pagan nations (like the Philistines and Canaanites) which is recorded in their historical battles against the modern Palestinians (who are undoubtedly not pagans this time) who never shared in the guilt of the Banishment nor deserved to be involved in the blasphemous war between the Jews and God Almighty. Instead of following and honouring the Covenants and Messengers of God, and returning to the Holy Land in obedience, humility and peaceful submission - the disbelieving Jews preferred to return in utter disobedience, arrogance and war against both God and His believing nation.In reality, long before and up until just before the Unholy Establishment of Israel in 1948 there were humble Jews who lived and co-existed peacefully with the Muslim Palestinians and the Christians of Nazareth, and they were at most sad and sorrowful but definitely not jealous or envious of being banished from the Blessed Land as a nation. No-one ever told the Jews that they weren't allowed in the Prophetic Land except for God Himself unless they believed and followed the Abrahamic Covenant. Out of all people, no body will understand their feelings of spiritual connection with the Blessed Land more than the Muslims and Christians themselves who share the same spiritual bond. Now they are the ones telling us that Muslims and the whole world don't want them in Biblical Israel (modern day Palestine) whereas they say this by way of disbelief, blasphemy and lie against the Torah and cover-up of their ancient enmity against the Divine. The Jews need to liberate themselves from disbelief and return to following the Laws of the Torah, the Gospel and all revelations from Allah; otherwise, they will not cease to show enmity against the rightful inheritors of the Blessed Land and the Prophets. And the Zionists merely deceive themselves into believing (or more like pretending) that they can take the place of God's nation, legislations and rewrite the Abrahamic Covenant because they successfully opposed the Divine Banishment and broke the Jews into different opinions of what constitutes blasphemy (kufr) and irdat-al-uloohiyyah (the Divine Will) concerning their case.

      Fred - 2012-03-17 23:58

      I just want to know what you would do with the land

      Fred - 2012-03-18 00:19

      You there Muhommed?

      Muhammed Bhyat - 2012-03-18 00:22

      If you really have to know, when we get our land back, God-willing, we will 1) Praise God 2) Take humble ownership over the land that God has entrusted us with. 3) Forgive our enemies 4) Provide and guarantee safely to our enemies and give them access to all state services, provided that they are willing to accept our governance 5) Restore the Holy sites 6) Observe obedience to God. These are just some of the essential things that Muslims will observe once we get our land back. We do not seek to take revenge. We see this as just a trail from God and we will observe the beautiful teachings of Islam. And for as long as we are under constant attack we shall continue to fortify ourselves.

      Fred - 2012-03-18 00:32

      Okay, you'll take the land back that you believe originally belonged to Muslims and you will govern it. To be consistent with your teachings then, you have to give the land you're currently occupying in South Africa back to the Khoi-San, who were its original inhabitants. Are you willing to do this?

      Muhammed Bhyat - 2012-03-18 00:48

      Can you not recognize that your argument is fundamentally flawed and the parallels you attempt to present are inconsistent? Are you a man of fairness and understanding or are you one who is heedless to the truth and uses every argument possible to evade the truth. If I murdered the original inhabitants of South Africa, I should be killed. If the original inhabitants regards this land to be sacred and an integral part of their religion and my ancestors murdered them, I will be compelled to pay reparations and do the honourable thing and get off this land. If I am guilty of crimes against any native I should be subjected to their criminal proceedings. If I or my ancestors are guilty of illegal land ownership, irrespective of the size of the current native population I must surrender all of it. This is fairness. This is justice.

      Muhammed Bhyat - 2012-03-18 00:59

      Now, in your kangaroo court we must beg the question: Am I guilty of any of these crimes. The verdict is: No - I am innocent. Now to draw a parallel - since you have incongruously insisted - are the Zionists guilty? Yes they are! And yes they must be subjected to the full extent of the law. But as we all know that there is no other nation but 'Israel' that has defied as many UN peace resolutions and is guilty of primary war crimes. All human rights organizations are aware of their infringements yet Israel is immune to penalties. Ironically, when the victims of Zionism defends themselves and threatens violence in retaliation they are made out to be the terrorists! This is the double-standards which we are forced to deal with. Not to mention the propaganda!

      Fred - 2012-03-18 01:21

      The original inhabitants do regard the land to be sacred and an integral part of their religion. Your ancestors acquired the land from others who took the land from the original inhabitants.

      Fred - 2012-03-18 01:45

      You there Muhammed?

      Fred - 2012-03-18 02:16


      Fred - 2012-03-18 03:27


      Muhammed Bhyat - 2012-03-18 05:53

      You sound rather desperate to make a point. Furthermore you have stated a lie! Prove to me that the native people of South Africa regarded this as sacred land. Where is it in their scriptures of code and structure of belief?? Do NOT lie. Those who took the land away from them are the criminals and their progeny should apply corrective measures. My ancestors, who entered South Africa as slaves to White Folk (and this is a documented FACT - I can provide evidence of the ship and the slaves and slaves masters) worked our way up. We legally traded for land.(Our transaction for land was legal.) What happen - post-what your ancestors done- was a legal transfer of land and stands proved in all legal systems (off course with exception to a kangaroo court). Now, hypothecally, if the Zionists were to wipe out Palestinians (and made no doubt that this is their plan. Albeit, the Palestinian population is experiencing a growth spurt) and for example coloured people from South Africa were to purchase some of the land from the Zionists, plenty generations down the line, that land now becomes the legal ownership of the coloured person. Or do you not see this as just? To start with, your analogies are preposterous. And than you support it with blatant lies. How low can you go, really? How much unfairness do you want Palestinians suffer before it satisfies your sardonic needs? You obviously have no conscience. You get pleasure to see people being killed and tortured. Your analogy would be of a rapist raping a women and the women is screaming: No! No! No! But you continue to rape her and you want to force her to enjoy and tolerate it. This is what Zionists and pro-Zionists are all about. You HATE peace, equality and justice. All you do is talk about it with a forked tongue to try and make your opposition guilty. And even after all this you will reject the truth and desperately looks for loopholes to accommodate your fanatic lies!

      Fred - 2012-03-18 06:29

      It's all there Muhammed. It's well researched and documented that the Khoi-San roamed Southern Africa and considered it their sacred land. I happen to have interviewed a number of Bushmen elders, with translators, who advised me of this, which confirmed the well documented research. However your ancestors came here, the fact remains the land you're on was originally inhabited by the Khoi-San, and it was taken away from them. So it only remains whether you're true to your teachings.

      Fred - 2012-03-18 07:32


      Muhammed Bhyat - 2012-03-18 09:55

      I don't think you read a word I said. Either that or you void of comprehension. The fact remains - you support Zionism.

      Muhammed Bhyat - 2012-03-18 11:44

      @ Fred: We have reached a point where we are debating the same point without any progress. You know the rightful demands of the Palestinians. You also know that Palestinians will not negotiate their rights, not least with terrorists. Your intentions for debate are disingenuous. You do not want to see an end to conflict; you wish to rape Palestinians rights and you will use every argument to achieve your objective. You know that your argumentation holds no weight yet you have forced yourself to believe it. This attitude is destructive to peace and we shall see no progress here. This is where I shall terminate my correspondence with you.

      Fred - 2012-03-18 14:11

      You're avoiding the point, Muhammed, and trying to distract with pages of predictable rhetoric. By your own definition, you are living on land that should be given back to the Khoi-San, but you don't want to do this. Therefore, you are being hypocritical in your demands that the Israelis give their land to the Palestinians. More so than the Israelis, because they have been in the area as long as the other tribes. The land they're on has historically been part of their heritage. The land you're on in South Africa has not. So unless you acknowledge this fact, you're being a hypocrite, a bloodthirsty one at that.

      Muhammed Bhyat - 2012-03-18 18:00

      For the benefit of the reader (with exemption to Fred), in order to appreciate the Zionist-Muslim conflict one needs to know the regional and religious history. Once this is established one will realize that this is a unique situation; it is folly to make ANY parallels with other conflict areas. Any such attempt of comparing the Zionist-Muslim conflict to any other conflict area with a purpose to draw guideline principles in dealing with the situation serves as sufficient proof of ignorance of the person doing this. One other very important issue is that everything must be based on honesty and facts. Sadly, we know all too well that Zionists are masters of adulteration. Unless Zionists - who are religious extremists - do not pack and leave the holy lands, there will NEVER be peace - the Palestinian resistance and claim of their land is a perpetual guarantee. So for the one who sincerely seeks peace now know what it will take to achieve this peace. There shall be no compromise with terrorists and religious extremists.

      Larry - 2012-03-18 19:11

      Muhammed, You need to realise that your viewpoint is not the world view point - it is simply the Islamic viewpoint. Same goes for what you believe to be lies and truth. Just because your circle of influence may be predominantly in favour of your views, this does not apply in the real world where your views, belief system and skewed reality are scoffed upon. You can believe what you want when is comes to your religion and when it comes to Israel, but as much as you think you are right and righteous in your beliefs, it is only so in your small world of propaganda and actual silliness. Good luck to you, but you are wasting your time on facts ans assertions that are only true to Moslems. This will bring death and destruction upon your people because they are far too advanced in everything to put up with your nonsense. Yes I know, you will pray for this infidel. Go ahead.

      Fred - 2012-03-18 19:31

      Muhammed, that's just obfuscation with a lot of words. You're being a hypocrite because you are violently demanding the removal of Israelis from their land, all the while occupying land that was taken from the Khoi-San and sold to your ancestors. You will never succeed in your endeavor, not only because you're on the weaker side militarily, but also because your theoretical and moral base is faulty.

      Fred - 2012-03-18 19:34

      I agree with you Larry, except that it's only true to some Muslims, not all. The more enlightened understand the folly and darkness of the ideas in Muhammed's camp.

      Hugo - 2012-03-18 20:46

      you will never get that land because it never belonged to muslims, ever.

      Muhammed Bhyat - 2012-03-18 21:16

      @ Larry: You are unbelievable and your expectations are obscene. You deny the realities of genocide, rape, killing of children etc etc. What kind of people goes to the graveyard to 're-kill' the dead Palestinians again and again?? It is either a sign of insecurity or a sign of evil. We all know that the illegal occupying forces are now at their weakest point and will soon be blown into non-existence. What you call my propaganda is your denial. Your obscene denial. This is your problem - not ours. You love to see people suffer and die - it is your fetish. You didn't mean to disclose all this - but it came out! God willing Palestine will once again be liberated. This is one thing you hate to see! You hate to see Palestine liberated because you are a racist and a supporter of Zionism. There is nothing more to be said to people like you. I see your friend Fred is still on his Khoi-San debate...haha(!) We should now refer him to the closest asylum. He is clearly not well. I can sense your guys acute me - its only going to get worse. May truth prevail!

      Larry - 2012-03-18 21:46

      Muhummed, Your god, your prophet and religion is weak, backward and pathetic. We see this in your words and Israel proves this by its continued successful existence. You are the weakest link. Goodby.

      Nathan - 2012-03-18 21:46

      There is no peace without the Prince of Peace. His name is Jesus Christ and He sets up kings and deposes them. Genesis 12:3 "I will bless those who bless you and whoever curses you I will curse; and all peoples on the earth will be blessed because of you." This refers to Israel and to Israel only. There is only one true God and His name is YAHWEH HASHUA! Israel will never be defeated. Only when Christ returns will there be resolution to this conflict. Israel, God's chosen people will never be overcome by the evil one.

      Muhammed Bhyat - 2012-03-18 22:19

      What all of you fail the realize it that it is impossible for us to come to a common understanding. Like you, I too do not negotiate with terrorists and racists. You even deny that we share a common Creator. And according to the blasphemy of Larry, his Creator is thus weak. God forbid and may God have mercy on his soul. We all await the second coming of Prophet Jesus (PBUH). Most of the signs of his coming are here. The scene is set. May the people on truth and correct belief in God be amongst the successful ones. I for one am 100 percent sure that my beliefs regards our Creator is correct and may God accept me as His slave.

      Fred - 2012-03-18 22:26

      Muhammed, you can laugh all you want, but the truth is there for all to see. Everyone who understands the history of Southern Africa knows the Khoi-San were its original inhabitants and the land was sacred to them. It is also well known that the land was taken from them. Your ancestors acquired the land you live on from those who took the land. By your own definition, you now have to give the land back. You won't. Yet you demand that the Israelis give their land to the Palestinians, when they've been in the area as long as the other tribes. Clearly, you're being a hypocrite. You can choose to not correspond with me, but the beauty of the Information Age is that your words are there for all to see.

      Nathan - 2012-03-18 23:26

      Muhammed: There is only one God, His name is Jesus Christ. He is not only a prophet, He is God, and He alone rose again from the dead. There is no other God. Isaiah 42:8 "I am the LORD; that is my name! I will not give my glory to another or my praise to idols." Isaiah 43:3 I, even I, am the LORD, and apart from me there is no savior." There is no other God. You can choose to accept it, or reject it. It does not change the way that reality is. The fact is, is that this world as we know it is passing away and only Jesus Christ has the answers for the problems in the world today! Jesus says in John 14:6 "I am the way the truth and the life, no-one comes to the Father except through me." Luke 13:13 "I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish." The nation of South Africa needs to turn to Christ in order to fix the problems we are facing. In the world, without Him we will have no peace. Again you can choose to accept or reject. This is the truth of the matter and what you or anyone else says will not change it.

      Fred - 2012-03-19 01:46

      Muhammed, you can laugh all you want, but the truth is there for all to see. Everyone who understands the history of Southern Africa knows the Khoi-San were its original inhabitants and the land was sacred to them. It is also well known that the land was taken from them. Your ancestors acquired the land you live on from those who took the land. By your own definition, you now have to give the land back. You won't. Yet you demand that the Israelis give their land to the Palestinians, when they've been in the area as long as the other tribes. Clearly, you're being a hypocrite. You can choose to not correspond with me, but the beauty of the Information Age is that your words are there for all to see.

      Larry - 2012-03-19 06:26

      Actually Muhummed and Nathan - there is no god and there never was one. You are the recipients of an unintended joke. That is the whole truth. Now we have three truths. Surprise. Which one of us is right. Can you at least see how foolish we have become?

      Fred - 2012-03-19 07:34

      Muhammed, you can laugh all you want, but the truth is there for all to see. Everyone who understands the history of Southern Africa knows the Khoi-San were its original inhabitants and the land was sacred to them. It is also well known that the land was taken from them. Your ancestors acquired the land you live on from those who took the land. By your own definition, you now have to give the land back. You won't. Yet you demand that the Israelis give their land to the Palestinians, when they've been in the area as long as the other tribes. Clearly, you're being a hypocrite. You can choose to not correspond with me, but the beauty of the Information Age is that your words are there for all to see.

      Merven - 2012-03-19 08:52

      @Muhammed: 'Observe obedience to God' So basically kill the Christians and Jews who do not follow your god?

      lovenergy - 2012-03-19 10:05

      It is debates like this that strengthens the notion that religion should be abolished. You believe that your god created all yet you hate all and this goes for most religions of this world. Religion was not created to divide you yet you divided yourselves very well. If god created all life then who gives YOU authority to destroy his creations? You are the reasons that your religions are a joke. You are the reason why more and more people are turning their backs on religion. You hide behind these religions and disgrace them with your hate for others. You use little pieces out of your holy scriptures to justify your evil. No good is born from evil. Religion will fall and the reason will be its rotten core of followers who decided to justify their evil notions with religion.

      Nathan - 2012-03-19 11:54

      Larry you're a fool (Psalm 14:1). Fortunately your opinion doesn't matter to me. I KNOW what I believe and I KNOW it's the truth. What you think or what your personal opinion is of me doesn't affect me in the slightest. I state the truth, which is not subjective opininon but based on the word of God. You obviously didn't read my comment, no matter what you think of it, the truth will remain. John 14:6.

      Nathan - 2012-03-19 12:04

      loveenergy Christianity is not a religion, fortunately. And it will not fall, it will continue to grow stronger and greater. This current world system is what is passing away my friend. All this world stands for will one day be brought to nothing. It's only the things of God that will last and His love unites people. There will be no peace, and no unity without Him. Keep believing your own lies, but I pray that you will one day know the truth because without it (this world) will surely perish.

      Johan - 2012-03-19 12:17

      Hey Muhammed....take a have a bacon sandwich

      Fred - 2012-03-19 15:39

      Muhammed, you can laugh all you want, but the truth is there for all to see. Everyone who understands the history of Southern Africa knows the Khoi-San were its original inhabitants and the land was sacred to them. It is also well known that the land was taken from them. Your ancestors acquired the land you live on from those who took the land. By your own definition, you now have to give the land back. You won't. Yet you demand that the Israelis give their land to the Palestinians, when they've been in the area as long as the other tribes. Clearly, you're being a hypocrite. You can choose to not correspond with me, but the beauty of the Information Age is that your words are there for all to see.

  • Anneck - 2012-03-16 21:52

    All Israel wants is to be left alone. Do you really think it wants war when it is surrounded on all sides by countries calling for it's destruction? Does anyone expect Israel to sit idly by while Palestinian militants fire rockets at them from inside civilian homes and schools? Why do you think Israel is committing all these so-called "attrocities" on the Palestinian people? Because the day they allowed the Palestinian people free reign to go where they pleased, they sent women and children to blow themselves up in crowded Israeli markets! Think!

      Muhammed Bhyat - 2012-03-16 22:02

      This comment is a shocking betrayal of history. 'Israel' is an illegal, terrorist, extremist, genocidal state. Its regime is a terrorist organization and its leaders - of of its leaders - have blood on their hands. These are unassailable facts and the rights of the Palestinians are inalienable.

      Anneck - 2012-03-16 22:04

      @Muhammed where do you live? I would like to come over so i can laugh in your face. Lol.

      Muhammed Bhyat - 2012-03-16 22:10

      Your tone resonates with the same sinister intentions of those who supported and aided Apartheid in South Africa. Luckily this country broke through into success, albeit accommodating people like you.

      schewitz - 2012-03-16 22:10 the above link is very telling to say the least

      Anneck - 2012-03-16 22:21

      @Muhammed this has nothing to do with racism. What this has to do with is your hatred towards Israel - how blinded you are by your hatred towards Israel, that you believe anything the Palestinian leaders say and show you on tv, without giving you the full facts! Which leads me to another question: what if I happened to be Jewish? What do you see me as? Another "Zionist"?

      Anneck - 2012-03-16 22:27

      @Muhammed, I challenge you to have a little conversation with Joshua! Or are you too scared to hear what he has to say!?

      schewitz - 2012-03-16 23:18

      @Anneck person such as @muhammed do not like to engage in debate and when they do they will in most cases just sprout propaganda and lies. I can came with all the facts in the world but to a person like @muhammed facts dont matter on propaganda. if u notice above he says that I "should be given the death sentence with the lethal injection." this is mainly due to the fact that deep down in his soul he knows that i am correct and that really bothers him. he wants to believe that israel is evil, that israel commits genocide as this fits his world view the fact that all facts point to a different reality is irrelevant and no amount of talking to irrational hat-filled people like him will yield any result.

      Fred - 2012-03-17 00:10

      Muhammed, once you've uprooted Israelis and removed them from the land currently called Israel, what will you do with the land?

      cameronrh1 - 2012-03-17 10:10

      @Fred they will turn Israel back into a desert...

      Larry - 2012-03-17 11:14

      We must actually feel sorry for Muhummad. The continued and SUCCESSFUL existence of Israel within the heart of Islam make The Islamic religion and god look weak and pathetic, especially in that all the vast armies if Islam cannot defeat and uproot this tiny Jewish nation. Shame. No wonder he is so embittered.

      Jaba - 2012-03-19 08:32

      Islam is an illegal, terrorist, extremist, genocidal religion.

      Merven - 2012-03-19 08:54

      Israel are terrorists? The last time I've seen it was the Palestinians that fired rockets targeting innocent civilians in Israel, also, I've never heard of Jewish or Christian suicide bombers targeting market places etc.

  • schewitz - 2012-03-16 22:16 2 links that shed a little light on the matter at hand. regarding the threats made by isalmic jihad. Israel will destroy you if u carry on. we are here to stay...make peace and we can live in peace fire missiles and we will defend our selves I do not comment lightly on this matter as i live about 50km from the Gaza border.

      Anneck - 2012-03-16 22:25

      Joshua, God bless you, my friend. God calls Israel the Apple of his eye. Anyone attacks Israel, they are attacking God.

      Muhammed Bhyat - 2012-03-16 22:41

      Let's face facts: Israel is a terrorist state and its regime is a terrorist organization. One must not make any mistake on this.

      Anneck - 2012-03-16 23:05

      @Muhammed, yet you have just made a mistake.

      schewitz - 2012-03-16 23:12

      @muhammed so let me understand you. israel that targets military targets is a terroriist and islamic jihad which aims at women and children is not...really, please try again. israel does all it can to not hit innocent person while palestian terror groups such as islamic jihad and hamas do there best to murder women and children. Israel does its best to save lives while hamas and islamic jihad do there best to murder women and children. ISrael does it best to protect its civilians while hamas does its best to have as many of its civilians killed as possibly. Israel does its best to defend itself, spending millions on technologies such as "iron dome" while hamas does its best to place military targets in residential areas. i could go on but to any rational observer the point is made. Israel honors human life and hamas have no honor at all especially for life.

      Jaba - 2012-03-19 08:36

      Let's face facts: Gaza is a terrorist state and its regime is a terrorist organization. One must not make any mistake on this.

  • schewitz - 2012-03-16 23:26

    What funny about @muhammed is that i am likely friends with more Palestinians than he will ever be. I study in east Jerusalem and regularly play soccer with Arabs. I am friends with the arab affairs adviser to the Israel foreign minister. I sit on the buses in Jerusalem and talk with arabs, i could go on but the point is made. muhammed has not a clue about what actually goes on over here, he only has his propaganda

      Anneck - 2012-03-17 00:34

      @Joshua, there is no point in wasting time on brain washed people like Muhammed. The unfortunate thing for ordinary Palestinian people is they are forced to suffer thanks to organisations like Hamas and Islamic Jihad. Any Palestinian person who speaks in favour of Israel is arrested and thrown in prison accused of "spying". Hamas uses the money on weapons and rockets instead of using that money for a better living for the Palestinian people. When Israel retaliates for being fired, for every Palestinian militant killed, three or four Palestinian civilians are killed. The reason, as we all know (except for Muhammed), is that these militants are cowards who use these civilians as human shields.

      Fidel - 2012-03-17 00:57

      How can anyone experience "better living" in a Bantustan? The Palestinians are right to make life as uncomfortable as it can be for that monstrosity called Israhell.

      Anneck - 2012-03-17 01:26


      Anthony - 2012-03-17 07:01

      @Fidel, Darkness cannot drive out darkness, only light can do that, Hate cannot drive out hate, only love can do that. Martin Luther King Jr

      Dar - 2012-03-17 10:04

      @anneck and joshua, it seems that the two of you are 'brainwashed' Hammas was elected by the people in a democratic election, Israel then chose to punish an entire nation by blockading the Gaza

      schewitz - 2012-03-17 11:21

      and the nazis where elected by the german people. You have got no idea who Hamas are and what they do. ""There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors." "The Day of Judgement will not come about until Muslims fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Muslims, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews." (related by al-Bukhari and Muslim). Sheik Yunus al-Astal, a Hamas legislator and imam, in a column in the weekly newspaper Al Risalah in 2008 discussed a Koranic verse suggesting that "suffering by fire is the Jews' destiny in this world and the next." Astal concluded "Therefore we are sure that the Holocaust is still to come upon the Jews "Allah is its target, the Prophet is its model, the Koran its constitution: Jihad is its path and death for the sake of Allah is the loftiest of its wishes." Hamas are a radical islamic organisation who do not care about human life only about making war. Israel pulled out of Gaza in 2006 with the full intention of leaving Gaza to do what it wants. The result has been over 12000 missiles, and other terror attacks that target innocent civilians.

      schewitz - 2012-03-17 11:28

      we tried everything we could to not use force, we tried ever non violent manner we could think off to stop the violence of Hamas but were met with only more violence. this eventually resulted in a war in which Hamas used civilians as human shields. even tho that was the case israel did its best to not harm civilians. after the war the missiles stopped for a while but eventually they carried on. no for every missile we blow up a mweapons manufacturing facility, or a terror cell about to launch a bomb. Hamas and islamic jihad are dedicated to violence, they want israel to bomb manufacturing facilities because they hope that in that bombing a civilian will get killed, for use in propaganda. we seldom give them what we want because we take the up-most care to ensure that our bombs kill only terrorist and there infrastructure

      schewitz - 2012-03-17 11:31

      Hamas very founding charter is riddled with antisemitism, hatred and Islamic extremism. for those to ignorant to see that i feel sorry for your weak intellectual ability. for those to ignorant or filled with hate and propaganda to actually use there mental faculty to know whats really going on here, there is nothing i can say to you except u do the Palestinians a disservice by being so bloody stupid

      schewitz - 2012-03-17 11:40

      schewitz - 2012-03-17 11:41

      As an Arab "Palestinian", living in an Arab country, coming from a Muslim family, I was brought up with hatred of Why does Islamic intolerance forbid other nations their right to exist in their own land? Jews, Christians and all non-Muslims. Now I'm older, I have matured enough to view the world from a different perspective. I reviewed real history and studied the sequence of events before and since the restoration of the State of Israel. I decided to step outside the mindset of a typical Muslim. It didn't take long to realize that I was on the wrong track and I moved quickly to the other side. In order to be at peace with myself, I have come to reject the hatred of Israel and now love my former enemy. I have not embraced another religion, but I am seeking a new spiritual path. Why do the Arabs and Muslims have to reject the presence of a Jewish state in a tiny percentage of the land of the Middle East? Why does Islamic intolerance forbid other nations their right to exist in their own land? The whole world should realize that Islam is at war with all nations on the planet. In our Muslim societies it is not "the extremists", but the whole society infected with this hatred. It is in the mosques, the schools, in the media and in the homes of nearly every Muslim family. It isn't just Israel they hate, but America and Christians as well. Islam hates all other religions.

      Anneck - 2012-03-17 11:58

      @Dar, if you can go back and read one of my earlier comments as to WHY Israel have blockaded Gaza? Reason: Once the blockade gets lifted, in come the SUICIDE BOMBERS! FACT! And yes, Hamas was elected by a whole of brainwashed people who teach children as young as FOUR YEARS OF AGE TO CARRY GUNS! WHAT SICK, TWISTED PEOPLE! Unlike you, I don't fall for propaganda!

      Muhammed Bhyat - 2012-03-17 12:09

      Wow! I'm stunned at the fact that you are all overt racists. Please read all that you have posted here and you will realize your racism. Let me be very clear when I say that a racist has no place in society. You may want to scrutinize the import of this - at you leisure...

      schewitz - 2012-03-17 12:38

      @muhammed Wow im stunned by your antisemitism and racism that blinds your ability to see whats really going on. again i say take your head out the sand you need fresh air

      schewitz - 2012-03-17 12:49 the above link explains why @muhammed is filled with so much antisemitism. he believes what ever his cleric tells him. Just one quote "When we make our children loathe the Jews, it is a form of worship of Allah. These are people hated and loathed by Allah."

      Anneck - 2012-03-17 12:56

      @Muhammed, If I were you, I would be very careful what you say in branding us racists. Yet you wish death on "Zionist" Joshua, as you so clearly made public in earlier comments posted by yourself?

      lovenergy - 2012-03-19 10:18

      @Muhammed, the race card? Seriously? HAHAHAHAHA, you do realize that the only reason people pull that card is because they can't debate as adults and know that they are losing the argument so they go for a cheap shot instead. Maybe you see racism everywhere because you are a racist and you recognize what you know.

  • Jaba - 2012-03-17 12:57

    Islamic Jihad rockets 'can hit Tel Aviv'??? And Gaza will become a parking lot. nough said

      Jaba - 2012-03-17 13:48

      This terror group, Islamic Jihad, like all terror groups will go down in history as the scum of humankind. Israel will be eternally jutified by allying themselves to the principles of human rights. Islamic Jihad have inalenable rights to their human rights but the war they have begun to instigate will be their undoing. They will bring death and destruction upon Gaza that will amaze the world in its expediency. For it will be total and absolute judgment day or these terrorists. But they shall not be justified on their so called "great day of resurrection".

      Muhammed Bhyat - 2012-03-17 14:11

      We must we delighted that is can hit Tel Aviv - and it MUST hit Tel Aviv. Tel Aviv is the headquarters of a Terrorist Regime and you are a supporter of Terrorism. Let's not have any doubt in his matter and let us never mince our words. Any strike on terrorism is a virtuous act and we must pray that the rockets hits its target with accuracy and maximum impact. I know that you disagree with me and I know you think I am a terrorist Jaba - this is because we come from different ideologies and we will Never agree on these topics. So whilst your malicious attempts to categorically reject what I present all your efforts are in vain since I reject the very basis of your ideology. And indeed we all seek the Day of Retribution. On this day evil people will be condemned to Hell whilst observant believers will be to given the glad tidings of Paradise. If we want to see Paradise we must speak the truth at all times and never associate anyone with God.

      schewitz - 2012-03-17 14:50

      i find it funny that you call israel a terrorist when it is you who in fact support and try to justify terrorism. u call israel a terroist, u call it this u call it that. i guess u go by Josephs Goebbels who said tell a lie often enough and it becomes the truth. Goebbels was a nazi propagandist and i guess you are a terrorism propagandist. well i know what i would do to goeballs if i met him in a dark ally....

      schewitz - 2012-03-17 14:50

      muhammed, jews have always and will always be in the minority. Through out history different people have tried to destroy us, different people for any number of reason have accused us of being evil and any number of other things. in the end we always land up on top. we have survived 4000 years and will continue to defeat our enemies, be it romans, greeks, germans, russians, polish, or in our day arabs, we always land up on top. we have survived pogroms, holocausts, expulsions etc but always end up on top. We are the minority and we are proud of it. one thing is for sure i would rather be a jew with an army then a jew without. at least we can and we will defend ourselves. You support terrorism which is disgusting , i guess you smile when women and children get blown up. were u happy when the twin towers were targeted, do u enjoy the murder of women and children!! I am proud of the fact that israel defends herself from terrorists, i guess if u lived here you would try launch a rocket yourself(or are u a whimp who all talk but does not walk). if u a whimp then shut up until u can put action behind your words, if u not then try launch a missile at tel aviv...u will then be blown to smithereens by a IAF bomb.

      Jaba - 2012-03-17 15:04

      Muhammed - it is with great sadness & regret that the truly 'peacful' people of planet earth will not see you in Paradise when they get there. Its sad that you think Allah put you on this earth to kill/die for your religion , if you think the Big Guy upstairs didn't have anything better to do but get all His children to kill each other you are wrong - and its sad that you have been brought up to believe anything like it. however its not for me to judge, for eventually you will have to answer for your wrongdoings. may Allah have mercy on you, AMEEN

      Muhammed Bhyat - 2012-03-18 12:51

      @ Jaba: What claptrap are you on about. You do not understand the basics tenets of Islam and as such are not qualified to render even a comment for this matter. We all know what you are on about and we all know your hidden agendas. Goodness always overcomes evil. Remember this. And do not ever use the name of your Creator in vain!

  • Garth - 2012-03-17 13:24

    An interesting thread of comments above and very well put by Joshua - thanks, an interesting read and so above the inanities of fidel and dar. As for that muslim creature with his monosyllabic response: racism, you accuse of racism? `. . . making policies against your kind . . .' `. . . albeit accommodating people like you . . .' @muhammed - When faced with the facts, you attempt to play the racism card, but like all ignorant fundamentalists brainwashed by their masters, you play the card in the wrong game. An Israeli, admired by friend and foe as a true person once stated: `Peace in the Middle East will only be possible when Arabs love their children more than they hate us.’ : Golda Meir Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Hezbollah, Qud's Brigade . . . `Brian: Excuse me. Are you the Judean People's Front? Reg: F--- off! We're the People's Front of Judea!'

      Muhammed Bhyat - 2012-03-17 14:17

      People like you are in the minority. Your opinion is a minority opinion and your philosophies are rejected. This is why you have become emotional and this is why you have degraded yourself in using the 'F' word. Your arguments holds no weight in the scales of justice so you wish to augment your lies and fabrications with slurs.

      schewitz - 2012-03-17 14:55

      bluzulu - 2012-03-17 15:23

      Muhammed , Don't educate fools, they are one eyed patriots. Even if you did actually make them think about the facts and the chain of events you have accomplished nothing cos' their comments mean nothing anyway. The Arab people will finally have peace mate.

      Jaba - 2012-03-17 15:29

      one last thing before i light the braai... its Quality that is important not Quantity. might be over one billion (thousand million for those who don't know) Muslims on earth... but what breakthroughs have you given earth? how many Nobel prices for science, health, physics, math etc have you blessed us with? you are blinded by so much hatred that you haven't noticed how only 14 million Jews hold around 20% of Nobel prizes! Yes 0.02% of the world population with 20% of the prizes. you forget that the cell phone you use, to the fruits & vegetables you buy at Wollies, P'nP or Checkers come form Israeli technologies in use in SA. you ignore the fact that Israeli technology has given you so many advancements in your field (medicine), and you hate that fact that if it was not for those Jews you despise so much you would not be writing any of your bs using any facebook/google/youtube and even News24 'code'. in fact there is so much Israeli technology in you computer, cell phone & home, i would urge you to throw them away as your support for the Zionist State is not acceptable amongst your peers (while you at it i suggest you throw much of you medical books as well) i could go on and on but I know that you disagree with me - this is because we come from different ideologies and we will never agree on these topics. So whilst your malicious attempts to categorically reject what I present all your efforts are in vain since I reject the very basis of your ideology.

      Garth - 2012-03-17 15:31

      Don't ja just luv it? @MB: `. . . so you wish to augment your lies and fabrications with slurs.' You, at 23h06, yesterday, posted: ` 'Israel' is an illegal, terrorist, extremist, genocidal state. Its regime is a terrorist organization . . .'. Lies and fabrication? Slurs? Hmmm, typical brainwashed fundamentalist without the courage to blow itself up.

      Garth - 2012-03-17 15:37

      @morehammered by khat: Oh, forgot to explain something to your single minded ignorance: The quote, words identified by the quotation marks of punctuation that enclose them, below the quotation(also identified)from Mrs Meir, is taken from a scene in the film `the Life of Brian', by Monty Python. Sorry that you did not understand that; read something else for a change.

      Jaba - 2012-03-17 15:44

      by peace what bluzulu means is death. Salam, :)

      Muhammed Bhyat - 2012-03-17 17:56

      @ bluzulu: I totally agree with you. The more we expose thing things to the truth the more they convince themselves otherwise. May God be with them and with us and may truth always prevail.

      schewitz - 2012-03-17 18:53

      hahahahah muhammed you funny, take a look in the mirror

  • schewitz - 2012-03-17 19:20

    appox. 45000 to 65000 people (Jews, Muslims and Christians) have been killed since 1948(depending on the source). That includes all wars and terror attacks. Israelis, Jordanians, Egyptians, Syrians, Lebanese etc... about 20000 have been Jews Since 9/11, Radical Islamists Committed approx. 11,961 Attacks, Killed 76000, Injured 115,500. if israeli was as evil as muhammed believes her to be the numbers would not be this low. if israel was as evil as muhammed believes it to be then in the 2008 war in Gaza tens of thousands would have been killed. but because israel places such a high value on all human life the numbers are very low especially considering how Hamas and other like them use civilians are cannon fodder

      Jaba - 2012-03-17 19:50

      100% agree. They are so blind by so much hate and propaganda its sad. they don't care much for numbers, nor facts. The world is a fickel place Anti-Semitism hasn't gone away; it's merely morphed into hatred of Israel. The Jews will never be "loved". The world will love the Jews greatly were they to roll over and die, and that is not going to happen. I'm with Machiavelli -- it is far, far better to be feared than to be loved. Shavua tov Joshua & take care.

      Muhammed Bhyat - 2012-03-17 22:43

      Do not ever think that Judaism and Zionism is one in the same thing and do not ever undermine the gravity of the murder of even a single INNOCENT person, irrespective of religion. You know what Zionists are guilty of - The world knows what they continue to do. Yet you have the audacity to cover up and justify it! If Muslims are as evil as you purport, than you are in huge problems. We are the largest population at present and the fastest growing religion. If what you say is true, you are in big trouble for that means that we will cast you into extinction. So be very careful over what you think and say. Your propaganda is fraught with flaws. At least make it sound realistic!

      Rob - 2012-03-18 10:14

      1967 Middle East Cup Final. Played over 6 days. Egypt, Syria & Jordan 0 - Israel 1.

      Muhammed Bhyat - 2012-03-18 12:46

      @ Rob: Your comment represents who you are. It is malicious and racist comment. You will be treated with commensurate disdain.

      schewitz - 2012-03-19 17:04

      Muhammed, it suits you to try separate zionism and judiams but the fact of the matter is that separating them is like separating kashrut or shabbat from judiasm. it makes no sense what so ever. yes there are jews who are not zionist, there are also jews who do not keep kashrut or shabbat. The reason why u want to separate the 2 is because u dont want to look at your self as a racist but in fact you are just like many people before you.

  • Anneck - 2012-03-18 12:29

    Muhammed must be reading a script... That's how they brainwash people.

      Muhammed Bhyat - 2012-03-18 12:42

      What a racist remark! How intolerant can one be? Is it possible for such backward to exist? Be careful the thinks you utter, Anneck.

      Anneck - 2012-03-18 15:15

      Lol. As I said you must be reading a script. And Muhammed, the racist card is getting a little old now. Thank you for your time.

      Muhammed Bhyat - 2012-03-18 22:38

      My first observation is that you think that your racism is act of entertainment...something fickle. This is your first downfall. Your racism is the gut problem and an obstruction to any form of peace. Yet you will blatantly deny that you are racist. Who do you think you are fooling, Anneck? And more importantly what benefit is there in your support for militarized-racism?

      Merven - 2012-03-19 09:02

      @Muhammed, you that call for the killing of Jews call other people racists? The more you comment, the more I understand why your countries get bombed.

      lovenergy - 2012-03-19 10:27

      Actually Muhammed, Anneck never referred to your race so indeed these comments can't be racist. I love how you expect other people to play by certain rules which you obviously don't have to conform to yourself. Your hate for humanity is disgusting and you have much to learn

  • Alistair - 2012-03-18 15:27

    Long Live Israel! The fact remains that organisations such as Hamas and Fatah, Hezbollah included, are born out of destruction, they cannot create/build peace, or economic wellbeing for its people, Their obsession with the destruction of Isreal is leaving their people in poverty. This is not a battle for land, but an inherant ideological hatred for the jewish people, and anything "un-islamic". The Israeli's have created, and continue to create a paradise in a tiny desert, and once again the politics of greed have kicked in.

      Muhammed Bhyat - 2012-03-18 22:31

      This is what you have conditioned yourself to believe. It is untrue and your conscience is our witness to this. Once again, yet another comment fraught with ignorance...

  • Anneck - 2012-03-18 18:40

    @Muhammed here are a few REAL facts you have turned a blind eye to: 1. Israel became a nation in 1312 BCE, two thousand years before the rise of Islam. 2. Arab refugees began identifying themselves as part of a Palestinian people in 1967, two decades AFTER the establishment of the modern state of Israel. 3. Since the Jewish conquest in1272 BCE, the Jews had dominion over the land for one thousand years with a continuous presence in the land for the past 3,300 years. 4. For over 3,300 years, Jerusalem has been the Jewish capital. Jerusalem has NEVER been the capital of any Arab or Muslim entity. Even when the Jordanians occupied Jerusalem, they never sought to make it their capital, and Arab leaders did not come to visit. 5. Jerusalem is mentioned over 700 times in the Bible. Jerusalem is not mentioned once in the Koran.. Just a few FACTS for you to digest on @Muhammed! Shocking isn't it, that those have been KEPT from you! I have plenty more where those came from!

      Anneck - 2012-03-18 21:14

      @Patrick I haven't quoted anything from the Bible yet.

      Muhammed Bhyat - 2012-03-18 22:27

      Wow! This is getting interesting. You present a conglomeration of disjointed facts and lies and you are trying to force-feed your propaganda! You have never failed to astonish me, Anneck.

      Anneck - 2012-03-18 23:27

      Muhammed, you don't seem to deny that Jerusalem is NOT even mentioned in the Koran?

      Garth - 2012-03-19 07:31

      I am amazed at your ignorance More-hammered, `. . . present a conglomeration of disjointed facts and lies and you are trying to force-feed your propaganda!' and by your blatant arrogance! Have you read some of your posts? The blatant lies, the propaganda, the falsehoods, the racism, the hatred! You are a wonderful advert for your religion's intolerance and hatred of all things non-islamic. And patrick, change your surname for you are an idiot! Quotes from the bible forsooth, you fool.

      Anthony - 2012-03-19 07:47

      Patrick, You don't really have an opinion !! As you just want to spew out, pure HATRED 24/7 !!!!!!

      Merven - 2012-03-19 09:06

      So Muhammed, it is simple, just proof Anneck wrong and post proof of her 'lies', otherwise if you can't we can all accept that you are the liar.

      Sameeha Patel Patel - 2012-03-19 12:18


      Anneck - 2012-03-19 22:03

      @Merven and sameeha, I'm a guy. And I notice Muhammed has not come back to even try and prove me wrong.

  • Hugo - 2012-03-18 20:30

    then you will hear some talking about apartheid in Israel,what would you do if you faced the danger of being shelled,bombed,rocketed day in and day out.

  • Anneck - 2012-03-18 23:57

    @Muhammed, a few more undeniable facts: 1. Jews pray facing Jerusalem. Muslims pray with their backs toward Jerusalem. 2. King David founded the city of Jerusalem. The prophet Mohammed never came to Jerusalem. 3. The Arabs are represented by eight seperate nations, not including the Palestinians. There is only one Jewish nation. The Arab nations initiated all five wars and lost. israel defended itself each time and won. 4. Arab and Jewish refugees: Arabs were NOT driven out of their homes. Following the UN decision on Partition in 1948, the Arab refugees were encouraged to leave Israel by Arab leaders, promising to purge the land of Jews. They argued that an "Arab presence" would only get in the way of the planned devastation. 68 percent left without seeing an Israeli soldier. 5. The Jewish refugees were forced to flee from Arab lands due to Arab brutality, persecution and pogroms. Problem, with you Muhammed, is you believe what you want to believe. Your hate for Israel blinds you completely.

      Garth - 2012-03-19 08:04

      Agree with most that you have penned Anneck, except for your ridiculous statement #1. So a muslim in South Africa would face south-west then?

      Anneck - 2012-03-19 08:25

      @Garth, I just find it an interesting fact that they would pray with their backs towards Jerusalem? Must be saying something?

      Anneck - 2012-03-19 08:29

      even more interesting, is that Muhammed has not even come out and denied most of these facts I have pencilled in yet. Especially where Jerusalem is not even mentioned in the Koran. I still have plenty more by the way.

      Anneck - 2012-03-19 08:47

      And Garth, I think #1 applies to Muslims actually living in Jerusalem. Not world wide.

      Jaba - 2012-03-19 09:39

      Also transliterated as Qibla, it is the direction that should be faced when a Muslim prays during salah. It is fixed as the direction of the Kaaba in Mecca. Most Mosques contain a wall niche, known as mihrab, that indicates the Qiblah (direction). Thus in South Africa it would be north bound Even after death Muslims are buried with their heads in the direction of the Qiblah. I think the Point being made is that while the Jews pray towards Jerusalem, Muslims in Jerusalem itself turn their 'behind' to the Al-Aqsa Mosque while facing the Kaaba in Mecca. While Jerusalem might be holy for Jews & Christians – It is only holy for Muslims because of the Jewish and Christian faith that makes up a large portion of Islam but not the other way around..

  • brian.enslin - 2012-03-19 12:20

    The Iron Dome Anti-Missile has proven to be successful! The Palestinians can fire those missiles, lets see what happens!

      schewitz - 2012-03-19 17:23

      you correct and it gives israel diplomatic room. where is not for iron dome its likely that the latest round of violence would have eventually resulted in a ground war. due to iron dome which intercepted 80percent of city bound missiles few israel got killed and therefor isreals hand was not forced. its a short term solution. the long term solution is peace.

  • Pdevillet - 2012-03-19 12:36

    all I can make out of all this comments is that all religions,cultes and other believes/bigotry not to mention power hungry,greedy politicians are the curse of humanity...

  • Anneck - 2012-03-19 22:43

    Some more facts... Where are you Muhammed? Don't like it when you have no come back on this whatsoever, do you? 1. The P.L.O.'s Charter still calls for the destruction of the state of Israel. Israel has given the Palestinians most of the West Bank and autonomy under the Palestinian Authority, and has supplied their police and security forces with weapons. 2. Under Jordanian rule, Jewish holy sites were desecrated and the Jews were denied access to places of worship. Jewish grave markers were used to build public urinals in occupied Jerusalem. Under Israeli rule, all Muslim and Christian sites have been preserved and made accessible to people of all faiths. 3. Of the 690 General Assembly resolutions voted on before 1990, 429 were directed against Israel. 4. The U.N. was silent while 58 Jerusalem Synagogues were destroyed by the Jordanians between 1948 and 1967. 5. The U.N. was silent while the Jordanians systematically desecrated the ancient Jewish cemetery on the Mount of Olives between 1948 and 1967. 6. The U.N. was silent while the Jordanians enforced an apartheid-like policy of preventing Jews from visiting the Temple Mount and the Western Wall between 1948 and 1967. Well Muhammed? Can you prove me wrong in any way?

  • Anneck - 2012-03-19 23:06

    @Muhammed a final thought for you to digest on! All the events of today have been foretold in the Bible, for this is what the REAL God says in Ezekiel, Chapter 36: Verse 1 - 3: "Son of man, prophesy to the mountains of Israel and say, 'O mountains of Israel, hear the word of the Lord. This is what the Sovereign Lord says: The enemy said of you, "Aha! The ancient heights have become our possesion."' Therefore prophesy and say, 'This is what the Soveriegn Lord says: Because they ravaged and hounded you from every side so that you became the possession of the rest of the nations and the object of people's malicious talk and slander... Verse 6 and 7: Therefore prophesy concerning the land of Israel and say to the mountains and hills, to the ravines and valleys: ' This is what the Sovereign Lord says: I speak in my jealous wrath because you have suffered the scorn of the nations. Therefore this is what the Sovereign Lord says: I swear with uplifted hand that the nations around you will also suffer scorn. Verses 8 and 9: "'But you, O mountains of Israel, will produce branches and fruit for my people Israel, for they will soon come home. I am concerned for you and will look on you with favour; you will be plowed and sown... ANYTHING TO SAY MUHAMMED??? I DARE YOU TO CALL ME A LIAR NOW, FOR THIS IS WHAT OUR REAL GOD SAYS, AS QUOTED DIRECTLY FROM THE BIBLE! No Palestinian will rule over Israel or Jerusalem! This land belongs to Israel and no other nation! Fact!

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