Israel, Palestine Aman talks impasse

2012-01-10 22:36

Jerusalem - Informal talks between Israel and the Palestinians in Amman aimed at finding a way back to the negotiating table produced no tangible progress, a senior Palestinian official said on Tuesday.

Speaking to reporters in Ramallah the day after negotiators from both sides met in the Jordanian capital, Hanan Ashrawi, a senior Palestine Liberation Organisation official, said the talks had not produced any new developments.

"Nothing new has come out of this," said Ashrawi, a member of the PLO's executive committee.

"The Israelis continue to hold on to their intransigent position. They have not answered the Quartet request to present their position on borders and security."

It was the second such Israeli-Palestinian meeting in just over a week.

On January 3, negotiators from both camps held their first face-to-face meeting in more than 15 months, in an encounter arranged by Jordan and attended by officials from the Quartet of diplomatic peacemakers for the Middle East.

The aim is to find a way to kickstart direct peace talks that ground to a halt shortly after their launch in September 2010 and to get the sides talking informally before the expiry of a Quartet deadline on January 26 - by which time the parties are to have presented proposals on borders and security.

"After the 26th, we have different options," Ashrawi said in reference to Palestinian plans to continue their campaign for state membership at the United Nations and also to seek a UN Security Council condemnation of Israel's ongoing settlement activity.

"These are not negotiations," she said of the "exploratory meetings" in Jordan.

She reiterated the Palestinian line that there would be no return to talks without an end to Israel's settlement building or an Israeli recognition of the 1967 lines as the basis on which to negotiate.

Neither sides has shown much appetite for the Amman talks, and there was very little coverage in the Israeli or Palestinian press, suggesting a media blackout on any developments.

  • Graziella - 2012-01-11 07:40

    Israel must stop its expansionist attitute and freeze settlement construction, further annexation.

      Jaba - 2012-01-11 09:23

      No need to freeze construction until the Palestinians decide that peace & negotiation is the route rather then their hope that Israel will somehow just stop existing. As long as the Palestinians pursue violence and war, Israel can carry on building. By the way, the west bank is disputed land, it not Palestinian land… it was formally owned by Jordan and was won by Israel after Jordan lost the war they started in the first place.

      Martin - 2012-01-11 09:28

      So why are Arabs allowed to live in Israel, but Jews are not allowed to live in the Palestinian territories?

      Graziella - 2012-01-11 09:54

      Arabs are the indeginous population and not the European rejects.

      Garth - 2012-01-11 10:11

      Graziella your confrontational ignorance is astounding in its dimensions. The Jews are not indigenous to the area formerly known as Palestine, is that what you are saying?

      Martin - 2012-01-11 10:11

      Graziella, are you implying that Israeli Jews are European rejects then?

      Graziella - 2012-01-11 10:42

      Yes Martin, it was the Europeans that didn't want large numbers of Jews in their countries, and they were even prepared to dump them in Uganda. The real ethnic cleansing was done by the victorious Allies! Every civilized nation has wanted to get rid of them; and every one, except so for the United States, has at one time or another expelled its Jews. Good old glorified England did it in 1290, France in 1306, 1322, and 1394. Hungary expelled them in 1349, Austria in 1420, Spain in 1492, Sicily in 1492, Portugal in 1497. Several German and Italian and Balkan provinces did it between 1350 and 1450, Norway and Sweden in 1814. Russia, in part expelled them in 1792 and 1904. At any rate the Nazis wanted the Jews to emigrate, not to expire! But nobody wanted them. Even Roosevelt exclaimed, "What would I do with a million Jews!"

      Martin - 2012-01-11 11:27

      Graziella, oh, how twisted you are. Now you look like you sympathise with the Jews, albeit just a bit. So what in your opinion should the Jews do then? Where should they go seeing that nobody wants them? And stop sympathising with the Nazis. Why would they want the Jews to emigrate when they were transporting trainloads of them from all over Europe to Auschwitz and other concentration camps?

      Graziella - 2012-01-11 11:45

      I have no sympathy with murdering zionist settlers!

      GWS - 2012-01-11 14:33

      "Arabs are the indeginous population and not the European rejects." So you are saying the Americans should leave America because the Indian tribes were there first and the whites in South Africa should leave because the indigenous tribes were there first. This person is a very deluded individual.

      fcint - 2012-01-11 17:49

      Graziella anybody whose favorite team is FC Barcelona and your Facebook portrays to be a strong intelligent woman is OK in my books. However what is not OK is your classically antisemitic and bigoted last comment at 13.58 which demeans and discredits you and what you claim to stand for. You have a right to be against Zionism but it is racist to use the term as a swear word as it is discriminating against one nationalist movement in the world amongst all the others including Arab and Palestinian nationalism with which it is in conflict. It was no less than Martin Luther King who stated that delegitimization of Zionism was the new anti-semitism. Your simplistic Zionophobic positions are ill-informed by the same propagandist bias as those you accuse.

  • Barry - 2012-01-11 07:45

    Any talks like this need people on both sides wanting the process to succeed. It is clear here Israel do not want relent its persecution of the masses of innocent palestinians.

      Dirk - 2012-01-11 09:09

      The desert barbarians, murderers of women and children have learnt from their old Soviet communist masters- you only negotiate when you do not already have something.The "palestinian authority" is regarded as the most corrupt in human history and if you look around you here in the good old RSA, and beyond its borders, that says a lot.

  • Larry - 2012-01-11 08:32

    On the contrary, Palestinians in the West Bank 'DISPUTED' territory must remove themselves to Jordan and join their other Palestinian brethren who reside there. In the 1967 war on Israel, Palestinian people along with neighboring Arab countries took up arms against Israel and they must accept the virdict of arms. Israel gained territory in this conflict and it is rightfully and legally theirs. Should Israel wish to concede their territorial advantage in order to allow the State of Palestine to be established, then Jews living in these territories must be accepted and protected as Palestinian citizens of the new Palestinian state (as are Israeli Arabs), Israeli military must hold sway, the State of Palestine must be demilitarised and remain so, and Jerusalem (all of it) will be annexed as part of Israel. Thats all.

      Graziella - 2012-01-11 09:33

      Would Israel allow an independent Palestinian state to build up any army strong enough to defend it's self from Israeli attacks? If it could not defend it's self could it be truly independent? Would Israel allow an independent Palestine to develop a strong self sufficient economy? Would Israel allow an independent Palestine to free elect it leaders (Hamas)? Would you be happy living in a Bantustan republic that exists only to provide cheap labour for Israel when it wants them? The answers are No, No, No, No and No! You have deliberately overlooked or failed to mention that the majority of Palestinians have explicitly stated time & time & time again that they do not want to become citizens of other countries. That they do not want to lose the right to pursue legal recourse for what is defined as rightfully theirs by law. And most of all? That they want to be citizens of their own country called Palestine. Just like Jews express their desire to be citizens of a country called Israel. How hard is that to comprehend?

      Blade - 2012-01-11 09:37

      @Graziella please go live in Palestine and assist your comtades. I swear I will pay for a one-way air ticket for you.

      Dirk - 2012-01-11 10:04

      Palestinian, or more correctly, Philistines, are as mature and responsible as their African counterparts- I would not tolerate them with an unlimited supply of arms. Look what has happened in SA and in the rest of Africa- chaos

      Garth - 2012-01-11 10:24

      Again, Graziella, your comments are so one-eyed against anything that is perceived to be `white' or `white supported' that you are blind to truths. If Israel relents and agrees to return to the `67 borders, will peace return to the land? No, because your beloved Arabs have sworn an oath on their `book of lies' to bring about the destruction of the state of Israel. That is the bottom line. That is the truth. And as Golda Meir stated, when the Arabs love their sons more than they hate Israel, peace shall return. And all your BS about Israel not allowing the Palestinians to develop themselves - do a bit of research further than the inside of your nose. They had every opportunity prior to them, with the aid of the surrounding Arab states, declaring war in 1967 and getting their butts kicked inside 6 days. Thereafter they were a terrorist `nation' of their own choosing.

      Graziella - 2012-01-11 10:49

      @Garth Netanyahu has excplicitly stated that the 1967 borders are a non-starter and has continued building on land that is supposed to form part of future Palestine. What do you suggest the Palestinians do? Stand outside the thief's office with a placard for the next 20 years.

      Garth - 2012-01-11 12:52

      @Graziella - and I ask again are not the Jewish people the original inhabitants of that land?

      Graziella - 2012-01-11 13:20

      The Sherpedic Jews yes, and not the terrorist European scum that have hijacked that country. Here's another thought, the so called Arabs who later converted to Islam when that religion came into being, whose roots date to thousands of years in that country; what do you suppose they were before their conversion. Were they not of the Jewish faith as well and as such could be considered to have Jewish ancestry?

      Graziella - 2012-01-11 13:21

      @Garth What do you suggest the Palestinians do?

  • GWS - 2012-01-11 08:39

    This simply translates as more Philistine terrorists will eat lead in 2012.

      Barry - 2012-01-11 08:57

      Correction. Freedom Fighters

      GWS - 2012-01-11 09:02

      Correction. Philistines.

      Dirk - 2012-01-11 09:10

      Freedom to steal and murder, yes.

      Barry - 2012-01-11 09:20

      Fighting for Freedom. That is what freedom fighters do. There are NO Palestinian terrorists. Plenty of Israeli terrorists under the guise of the IDF though

      Dirk - 2012-01-11 10:08

      Join them in their quest for "freedom"- to murder, steal and plunder. Coming from SA, you could claim to be an expert in that area, heck, coming to think of it, you could even demand a very high financial package.Just let me know the co-ordinates of your house.

      Barry - 2012-01-11 21:11

      @Dirk...Still wanting to live in the SA apartheid era I see. I think you need to move to Israel. It is the only country still ruling by apartheid.

  • asamaro - 2012-01-11 12:41

    Oh.. the stupid comments im reading.. you guys are too mainstream about this conflict ... why hasn't anybody done research to what has happened in Palestine which is not a disputed land but rather an occupied land that was forced to get in to a war and suffered a lot of innocent people dying x10 than Israelis.. The ISRAELIS ARE DEHUMANIZING THE PALESTINIANS AND KEEP TAKING THEIR LAND. Wtf. Before Jews immigrated to what you call ISrael now a days.. that land was full of knowledge and called themselves Palestine on 1947

      Jaba - 2012-01-11 13:04

      The TRUE 'Palestinians' are the Jews. The Arabs co-opted the name (and the identity) in 1966. I remind you that during the Mandatory period, the British referred to Jews as "Palestinians." The Arabs were just always referred to as "Arabs." During World War Two, when the call went out to form a Palestine Brigade, the only people who signed up were -- you guessed it -- Jews. The Arabs were aligned with the Nazis, in case you didn't know. That said, the "Palestinians" prompted six wars -- all started by the Arabs and won by Israel -- and have engaged in seven decades of unrelenting terror, visited both against Jews in Israel and in the Diaspora. They come from the Hejaz in the Western Arabian Desert. Their stories of lush orchards and olive groves are just so much fantasy. If you want to know what Israel looked like before the Jews of the First and Second Aliyot came and made it verdant, just read Mark Twain's "Innocents Abroad." He speaks of a Palestine that was desolate and abandoned, a bleak and horrible place. It was not until the Jews came back and fought the desert in the south and drained the swamps in the north that the Arabs decided to invent a history to which they have no right. They're still inventing themselves.

      Larry - 2012-01-11 16:04

      @Asamaro - it is you who are ignorant. You know f-all, but you will live with your blind assumptions and you will die an angry embittered Jew-hater because it will never go your way. All of Israel, including the DISPUTED territory (of which there is no dispute) will be under the control of Israel government and military for the rest of time.

      Barry - 2012-01-11 19:32

      @Larry...Then the Israeli's will carry on happily murdering innocent human beings. Your thrist for blood is ....different

  • Larry - 2012-01-12 10:17

    @ Barry Dont be absurd. Israel is a peacful nation of peaceful people. The aggressors have proven time and again to be the Arab countries who detest the Jewish national presence in the heartland of Islam. If these Arab countries were not intent on attacking Israel, then Israel would not have found it necessary to expand its borders after the 1967 war for defensive purposes. Israel has forged peace agreements with Jordan and Egypt through leveraging territorial aquisitions. Israel wished to do the same with Gaza and see who are the aggressors. Israel wishes the same with West Bank, but must have a peacefull resolution to the deal, which the Palestinians are negating at every turn. None are being murdered by Israeli's. You are an outright liar and a fool. The murdering is done by Palestinian terrorists in the Gaza and would be rampant in the West Bank if the Israeli's did not have military and territorial control of the region.

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