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Israel could resume Gaza assassinations

2012-11-13 21:15

Jerusalem - Israel is considering resuming its contentious practice of assassinating militant leaders in the Hamas-ruled Gaza Strip in an effort to halt intensified rocket attacks on Israel's south, according to defence officials.

That Israel might renew a practice that brought it harsh international censure is evidence of the tight spot Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is in. With Israeli elections two months away, rocket barrages from Gaza are disrupting the lives of 1 million residents of southern Israel, pressuring the government to come up with an effective response.

In the latest flare-up, Gaza militants have fired more than 100 rockets at Israel in recent days, triggering retaliatory Israeli airstrikes that have killed six people in Gaza.

Some Israelis are demanding a harsh military move, perhaps a repeat of Israel's bruising incursion into Gaza four years ago. Others believe Israel should target Hamas leaders, a method it used to kill dozens of militants nearly a decade ago.

Advocates say targeted killings are an effective deterrent without the complications associated with a ground operation, chiefly civilian and Israeli troop casualties. Proponents argue they also prevent future attacks by removing their masterminds.

Critics say they invite retaliation by militants and encourage them to try to assassinate Israeli leaders.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Tuesday visited the southern city of Beesheba, where he told municipal officials that Israel will strike back against the Palestinian attacks.

"Whoever believes they can harm the daily lives of the residents of the south and not pay a heavy price is mistaken. I am responsible for choosing the right time to collect the highest price and so it shall be," Netanyahu said.


Comments
  • duncan.gill1 - 2012-11-13 21:34

    Poor Netanyahu seems to be in a tight spot..wonder why!Did he really think that he can cage 1500000 people and steal their brothers land in the process..is he devoid of reason driven mad with the need to wage war on the world to ensure Jewish survival after the 2nd world war..frantic with the need to show the world he is strong and will take the whole world with him if his country should be threatened..this man is a megalomaniac was he not loved as a child abandoned to an orphanage when small and needing his parents..how much more can the world take of the inferiority complex US of and paranoid Israel..where will it all end..will we all wake up 2am in the morning to see the sun is already rising..God help us all!!

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-11-13 23:08

      It's pretty reliable that Dunkie will assume the opposite side to truth in any situation involving the West or Israel. To find truth, just flip his perspective the other way around.

      duncan.gill1 - 2012-11-13 23:37

      joe.bute.7 I am only saying that supporters of Israel and what this country does are not looking at the broader picture that confronts mankind..here we are with 5000 years of recorded history a mere fleeting fraction of a second on the age of this planet a mere experiment that nature and life embarked upon..and so easily can erase like a bit of spilled milk when you pour a glass...come on is it so hard to think a bit laterally out of the box just once just long enough to perhaps laugh at ourselves and finally grow up as a species..when your young children fight over who plays with the toy don't you shake your head with amusement cause you know how short their time to be a child and how soon they have to take on the responsibilities of an adult...come onnnnnn pleeeze someone make sense of this infantile squabbling and make this a better world something like the one that we all were promised growing up!!

      jeremy.bard.31 - 2012-11-14 00:00

      Good observation Duncan. The man is indeed Israel's worst enemy, and is responsible for the cracks in its relationship with its closest (and perhaps only) ally. American Democrat Jews appear to have remained fiercely loyal to Obama, despite his frosty relationship with Bibi. @Joe. Are the fanatical muslims you refer to responsible for the persecution and displacement of millions of Jews? Does the displacement of Jews from other lands then justify the displacement and oppression of another people? Certainly doesn't take much to figure who the Nazi is here. A simple case of "do unto others as was done unto you".

      anneck.cranke - 2012-11-14 01:02

      Pardon the one or two spelling errors. At least I know for sure I spelt Dunkie, Jeremy and idiots correctly!

      joe.bute.7 - 2012-11-14 01:42

      @jeremy Yes. Fanatical Muslims in various middle eastern countries did expel Jews. Regarding your quote "do unto others...." Israel's hand is forced to act the way it does to protect itself from violent fanatics. Were the European Jews

      joe.bute.7 - 2012-11-14 01:53

      Continued.... Were the European Jews or middle eastern Jews violent to their fellow countrymen which led to their murder/expulsion? No. Are the Muslim fanatics in Israel violent towards their fellow countrymen which has lead to the current conflict being faced?Yes. The Nazis have an irrational hatred for Jews. The fanatic Muslims do too.... And in both cases Regardless if Israel exists or not. In that respect they are the same.

      Sibusiso - 2012-11-14 02:25

      According to 'anneck.cranke' all europeans, and asians that stay in Africa have no right to own land in Africa, their houses should be demolished and the land be given to Africans that were taken to Europe or North America through slavery. No matter what you say 'anneck.cranke', you cannot defend a land thief, land is so visible that the thief cannot hide it anywhere. Jews and Arabs have to start tolerating each other and we all know for that to happen the thief has to give back what is not his.

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-11-14 04:23

      Sibusiso, firstly you only speak for yourself, no -one else, notwithstanding what your Ego says. Secondly, best to educate yourself before promoting things you know little about. Best for you otherwise you make yourself out to be a fool. Land wasn't stolen from the Palestinians. That's a clue. Can you unravel the rest of the story truthfully?

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-11-14 04:26

      Jeremy, extremist Muslims are rampaging through various parts of our world killing and maiming hundreds of thousands of people, and plotting in others towards the same end, which is to stop progress and positive change, and enforce their narrow, chauvinistic and hateful views. Are you aware of this?

      Sibusiso - 2012-11-14 05:31

      For once Fred didn't copy and paste but he continues to insult people who challenge his opinion. Anyway you are improving Fred well done. Now back to the topic, can you explain why is this not stealing or forcefully taking (when a bulldozer crushes Saif's or Muhammed house so that an east European Jew can move in) . Or you will deny that Jews demolish arab houses ?

      larry.lachman.54 - 2012-11-14 09:13

      Israel in in no more of a tight spot than ever since its existence, dunkie, and Bibi and all of Israel is doing just fine. If anything, it is Hamas and other gaza terrorist leaders who are now going to be looking over their shoulder, as they get picked off one by one.

      anneck.cranke - 2012-11-14 09:58

      Sibusiso, you speak of Fred and his "copy and paste" technique? You have been reading copied and pasted anti-Jewish news stories on sights like these everyday, that of course you become brainwashed into believing that Israel is the "aggressor" when in fact it is COMPLETELY the opposite! WAKE UP!

      anneck.cranke - 2012-11-14 11:36

      I see my little fact posting has been deleted by someone who doesn't want others to see the truth? So I shall repost: Israel became a nation in 1312 BCE, two thousand years before the rise of Islam. Arab refugees only began identifying themselves as "Palestinians" in 1967, two decades after the establishment of the modern state of Israel. Since the Jewish conquest in 1272 BCE, the Jews had dominion over the land for 1000 years with a continuous presence in the land for the past 3300 years. The only Arab domination since the conquest in 635 BCE lasted no more than 22 years. For over 3300, Jerusalem has been the Jewish capital. Jerusalem has never been the capital of any Arab or Muslim entity. Even when the Jordanians occupied Jerusalem, they never sought to make it their capital, and Arab leaders did not come to visit. Arabs were not driven out of their homes. Foloowing the UN decision on Partition in 1948, the Arab refugees were encouraged to leave Israel by Arab leaders, promising to purge the land of Jews. They argued that an Arab presence would only stand in the way of the planned devastation. 68% left without ever seeing an Israeli soldier. These Arab refugees were intentionally not absorbed or integrated into the Arab lands to which they fled, despite the vast Arab territory.

      KennySven - 2012-11-15 19:22

      GO ISRAEL,EXTERMINATE THE HAMAS SCUM AND THE SUPPORTERS.

  • Sibusiso - 2012-11-14 02:13

    You cannot demolish anyone's house and steal their land and expect them not to fight back. What kind of thief is this land thief that expects roses from the Palestinians. If you were to demolish my house and give the land to some Canadian Jewish person I would fight you with everything I have. No matter how big you are. Remember apartheid South African government thought it will steal the natives land forever and force peace with brutality ? Well that regime is history! Zionism will self distract like any other racist government. The good Jews should stand up to their regime and stop these land grabs. I know a few Jewish people that knows that no race is superior to any other race, I'm sure there are a lot of Jewish people like them in Israel.

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-11-14 04:17

      Israel was created in 1948 from 52% of the land formerly occupied by the Jewish and Palestinian people, and Palestine 43%. Most of the Israeli territory was the Negev Desert. Jerusalem fell into neither territory. Palestinians with their unelected, self-serving neighbors declared war on Israel the very next day. In the 1960's they even invaded Israel twice. Full military invasions. The result: Israel survived and pushed them back, gaining territory in the process. This is the origin of what some, like Sibosio, wrongly call "stealing land". There have been almost daily attacks by Palestinians, incited by their self-serving unelected backers. Palestinians even teach their children at Kindergarten to attack Israel, rather than be peaceful. Children. Kindergarten. From day one, and even today it's wage war on Israel. Israel defends herself. Yes sometimes going too far, which is unacceptable, but self-defense nonetheless. All that needs to happen is for Palestinians to choose peace side by side with Israel. This is more likely going forward now because the unelected dictators are being removed from power by their people, one by one. They will no longer use the Palestinians for their own internal political ploys.

      Sibusiso - 2012-11-14 05:24

      Stop with your repetitive rubbish fred, not long ago Israel demolished a palestinian house, do u call that house a desert ? No one is against the existence of Israel, we are against the exclusion of the Palestines from their land

      neutedop.opinie - 2012-11-14 07:44

      Sibusiso - with your comment "no one is against the existance of Israel'you really show you have NO idea what is going on. Don't believe all you read on News 24 - the are pro muslim/palastine. Go read the history yourself, and see what happened in the early 2000's, when Israel gave back some land.....it only meant the could shoot their rockets from closer to Israeli towns. Ever wondered how israel can be this briliant country, build on the same land, and Palastine these slumps? Because israeli's chose education over war. Palastine is getting more and more behind Israel, because of their own attitude!

      duncan.gill1 - 2012-11-14 08:44

      Sibusiso you are so correct their are many Jews who support a totally different kind of approach to the Palestinians..we will see what happens this next election and be sure it is only some right wing Zionists who hold the whole nation hostage.A Jew who lives outside Israel has always a more radical view of what Israel should do regarding the Palestinians but those that live inside Israel live with a far more painful reality and their minds are as a result much more open to different approaches..these same Jews will one day get rid of the hawks as the Jewish people are way to intelligent to allow themselves to be led to their own destruction!A policy built on fear"The swart gevaar"has never and will never work period!

      moses.mabhida.52 - 2012-11-14 08:51

      sibusiso & dunkie conveniently leave out that fact that: In 2000 (and on many other occasions), Israel offered the Palestinians nearly everything they demanded... and the offer was met not with a counteroffer, but with Jihad. Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak and President Clinton offered: 97% of the West Bank (with the remaining 3% to be made up from Israeli territory) The entire Gaza Strip Military control over East Jerusalem Many Palestinian refugees to return to Israel proper, with the rest being settled in the new state of Palestine. There would be a $30 Billion fund to compensate refugees. According to chief US negotiator Dennis Ross, Yasser Arafat rejected it all, and did not offer new ideas of his own. Today Hamas reject the same offer as their objective is to kill all the Jews (at least they have the guts to tell the truth as written in their charter.)

      ricardo.boscaglia - 2012-11-14 10:01

      Here's a link Sib's. It's all about who stole who's land in that region http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquest_of_Syria

  • fidel.mgoqi - 2012-11-14 06:42

    A Euphemism for state terrorism!

      jason.sole.92 - 2012-11-14 07:47

      You referring to Allah? or all Muslim run states?

      fidel.mgoqi - 2012-11-14 07:57

      No, to Israel state sponsored assassinations, you know the ones similar to the Nats targeting ANC members abroad! You still remember those don't you?

      larry.lachman.54 - 2012-11-14 09:18

      Fidel, there is no confusion that there is open warfare between Israel and Hamas. Hamas try to do their worst to attack jewish civilain targets and Israel try to do their best to stop them. targeted assasination of your enemy leaders is a far better option to carpet bombing, do you not aggree?

      fidel.mgoqi - 2012-11-14 09:36

      It is far better indeed, but it doesn't detract from it being "state terrorism"! How much leeway in "collateral damage" is permissible in this strategy. It's simple Larry, Israel should stop settlement expansion (Lebensraum), agree with the 1967 borders (supported by the intl community) and I will be the first one to support Israel and call out the Palestinians. Despite my fervent support for the Palestinian cause I am not blind and do question Hamas tactics sometimes, as I did on a thread yesterday.

      anneck.cranke - 2012-11-14 10:00

      Fidel, maybe they can assasinate you for starters!

      fidel.mgoqi - 2012-11-14 10:07

      Nah, Mossad has bigger fish to fry!

      larry.lachman.54 - 2012-11-14 10:14

      Annekke, do not do that. We are all valuable human beings, just talking to each other. Fidel, one must face one issue at a time. Settlement expansion does not affect Gaza and Hamas. The 1967 borders issue deals with West Bank only and will be settled by peaceful negotiation on Israel's terms. They won that right. Gaza is Judenfrei as was their wish, yet aggression by Hamas keeps them at war with each other. There is no such thing as state terrorism between two opposing states at war. That term can only be reserved for a situation like Syria, where the state is terrorising its own citizens.

      anneck.cranke - 2012-11-14 10:17

      Wow Fidel don't be so modest. The way you comment as if you actually know what you are talking about and so in love with yourself when in fact you know so little. By the way you never answer the HARD questions: Why did not EGYPT and JORDAN establish a Palestinian state when they had control of the Gaza Strip and WEst Bank for NINETEEN YEARS? Think you can answer that Fidel? You too are just too brainwashed by the same anti-Israel news stories you see on TV and not even shown what happens BEHIND the scenes! Only what Hamas wants you to see!

      fidel.mgoqi - 2012-11-14 10:25

      "Settlement expansion does not affect Gaza and Hamas. The 1967 borders issue deals with West Bank only and will be settled by peaceful negotiation on Israel's terms. They won that right." It would be misleading to try and compartmentalise Palestine into areas that are affected by Israeli occupation and those which are not, for Palestine as a whole has to bear the brunt. You fail to appreciate how negotiations (in good faith) are conducted and what you are advocating for is imposition and not negotiations, and it is this arrogance on the part of Israel that leads to its belligerence.

      anneck.cranke - 2012-11-14 10:30

      Understandable Larry. But Fidel has still not answered my question: Egypt and Jordan had control over the Gaza Strip and West Bank for 19 years. Why didn't they form a Palestinian state then? Read up Fidel!

      anneck.cranke - 2012-11-14 10:37

      Lesego! Maybe you can answer my question then? Or are you both idiots? Is the question too hard?

      anneck.cranke - 2012-11-14 10:38

      And Lesego you dumb hypocrite? What do Jewish lives meen to you? Can you answer that as well?

      anneck.cranke - 2012-11-14 10:50

      You speak of human life Lesego, yet here you are tring justify all Palistinian militant attempts to take Jewish life, and now you remain silent. You are pathetic.

      larry.lachman.54 - 2012-11-14 12:33

      Fidel, West Bank Fatah and Gaza Hamas have doner a fair lob themselves of 'separation', don't you think? They are practically as far apart as Turkey and Syria, minus the common border. Israel won the right to 'impose' the terms of peace, based on their winning a war 'imposed' upon Israel.

  • gcodi.mahomed - 2012-11-14 06:42

    One of the primary causes of modern day Anti-Semitism is the brutal occupation by Zionists of Palestine.

      fidel.mgoqi - 2012-11-14 07:07

      Zionists call it "Egrouf Barzel", a policy of allout repression and collective punishment!

      joshua.mcallister.75 - 2012-11-14 08:36

      One of the primary reasons for anti-semitism is the fact that Palestinians indoctrinate their children to hate

      fidel.mgoqi - 2012-11-14 08:43

      Is that the same Palestinians who lived at peace with their Jewish neighbours for thousands of years, until the arrival of the European colonial immigrants?

      joshua.mcallister.75 - 2012-11-14 08:57

      The same European Jews that fled merciless pograms? The same Jews that brought education to a land that was 99% illiterate? The same Jews who raised the Arab's standard of living by reclaiming a neglected land, bringing electricity, tap water

      fidel.mgoqi - 2012-11-14 09:15

      Colonialists everywhere have always find it necessary to peddle a line about the welfare of the ‘uncivilised natives’. This assertion has implications in the socio-economic and political spheres; and it can be shown to be false not in some but in all respects.

      larry.lachman.54 - 2012-11-14 09:20

      Another libel from gcodi. Prior to the 1967 occupation of the West Bank and Gaza, what was the cause of arab aggression and warfare against the state of Israel?

      joshua.mcallister.75 - 2012-11-14 09:44

      True, colounists take land by voilent force that wasn't originaly theirs. Israel is Jewish land though. When the U.N voted for partition in 1947 they gave the Arabs the lions share, the Jews mostly the Negev desert..as im sure you know. The Jews however accepted this in favour of peace. The Palestinians refused. Hence the Israeli War of Independence

      fidel.mgoqi - 2012-11-14 11:28

      That is another revisionist history. It was the right-wing Zionist terrorists, led by menecham begin that persued their ideology of Eretz Israel. Their first major act of terrorism against the Palestinians was at the Palestinian village of Deir Yassin. During the night of April 9, 1948, two Zionist terrorist gangs, the Irgun and the Stem Gang attacked and massacred over 250 men, women and children. Menachem Begin, leader of the attack on Deir Yassin and later Prime Minister of Israel, has this to say, "The massacre was not only justified, but there would not have been a state of Israel without the 'victory' at Deir Yassin'. The massacre at Deir Yassin caused other Palestinians to flee their homes in fear. Zionist terrorists drove trucks with loudspeakers through the streets and over the roads of Palestine warning Palestinians that what happened at Dear Yassin would happen to them if they didn't leave. In 1948 ,Palestinians and other Arabs attacked the Israeli Army which had been formed out of the terrorist groups, the Irgun and Stem Gang. The reason for the attack by Palestinians was to try and regain their homes which, through murder and terrorism, the Zionists had confiscated

      fidel.mgoqi - 2012-11-14 11:37

      Unfortunately Joshua, News24 is censuring my post regarding other atrocities perpetrated by the Zionist gangs that took place prior to the 1948 war! There are dates, venues and times of how these atrocities took place.

      fidel.mgoqi - 2012-11-14 11:50

      By the way it's not surprising the moderator has censured my post because "Vindictiveness and slander are so universally meted out to anti-Zionists because the disparity between the official fiction about Zionism and the Israeli state, on the one hand, and the barbarous practice of this colonial ideology and coercive apparatus, on the other, is so vast." Four overriding myths have shaped the consciousness of most people in our society about Zionism. The first is that of “A land without a people for a people without a land.” This myth was sedulously cultivated by early Zionists to promote the fiction that Palestine was a remote, desolate place ready for the taking. This claim was quickly followed by denial of Palestinian identity, nationhood or legitimate entitlement to the land in which the Palestinian people have lived throughout their recorded history."

  • gcodi.mahomed - 2012-11-14 06:47

    Bedouin tribe writing the Ottoman Sultan in 1890: “Lately, the supreme government has sold the place to certain people of the land. We did not protest since the new owners of the land clearly knew that the place was cultivated and handled by us for many centuries… but, still in this condition, the land was suddenly sold to a group of foreign Jews [Asralin] who arrived with funds… They began to expel us from the land we lived on… the farm, which was ours since the times of our fathers and grandfathers, was forcefully taken from us by the strangers who do not wish to treat us according to the accepted norms among tillers of the soil, and according to basic human norms or compassion.

      jason.sole.92 - 2012-11-14 07:49

      Dumbo - please point out the exact land location they were referring to?

      joshua.mcallister.75 - 2012-11-14 08:25

      Israel was a waste land of eroded soil

      fidel.mgoqi - 2012-11-14 08:30

      Revisionist!

      anneck.cranke - 2012-11-14 10:08

      Gcodi you stupid idiot! Bedouin tribes were like gypsies that moved from place to place! No one owned any land at the time! The land was uninhabited and the only people living in the towns and cities were JEWS and CHRISTIANS! Jews fled into this land escaping persecution and bought land from the Turkish efendis at inflated prices! It was the Jews that made the land fertile! Any Arab had no hope of doing so! Muslim workers migrated into the area looking for jobs which the JEWS gave to them!

      ricardo.boscaglia - 2012-11-14 10:10

      Islamic invasion and occupation of Judeo-Xtian levant. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquest_of_Syria Those arabs can go get stuffed

      fidel.mgoqi - 2012-11-14 10:15

      Go ahead and select a historical episode arbitrarily and then try to make 'a point', it's a fun game and it fools nobody (but yourself). How far back do you want to go, Eden?

      ricardo.boscaglia - 2012-11-14 10:27

      Fidel. Point is the Jews have been there thousands of years.They have the longest claim on the land.It's their homeland. The arabs/muslims came poring out of their desert unwanted and uninvited,now they cry about "their" land being stolen.Please,lot of nonsense

      anneck.cranke - 2012-11-14 10:40

      Ricardo, they only believe what is shown over and over again. Not what has gone on behind the scenes for the past 200 years.

      fidel.mgoqi - 2012-11-14 11:00

      Firstly Ricardo, you need to make a distinction between Judaism, Hebrews and Arabs (not all Hebrews are Jewish). Many of the Arabs that lived in historic Israel were of the Jewish faith as well, until the arrival of and their subsequent conversion to Islam. Does their religion precludes them from the land that they have lived on for 1000s of years?

      anneck.cranke - 2012-11-14 11:53

      Fidel you STILL have not answered my question!

      fidel.mgoqi - 2012-11-14 12:08

      That depends whether you are able to provide a comment that isn't some crass attempt at insult?

  • gcodi.mahomed - 2012-11-14 06:57

    Even a single night in jail is enough to give a taste of what it means to be under the total control of some external force. And it hardly takes more than a day in Gaza to begin to appreciate what it must be like to try to survive in the world’s largest open-air prison, where a million and a half people, in the most densely populated area of the world, are constantly subject to random and often savage terror and arbitrary punishment. Noam Chomsky: Impressions of Gaza

  • gcodi.mahomed - 2012-11-14 06:59

    Israel and the Palestinians are not equal partners in a peace process. Israel is a nation state equipped with an army and highly sophisticated weaponry; the Palestinians are a dispossessed people, living under Israeli military, political and economic control in a territory fragmented by expanding Jewish settlements. The calculated act of provocation organized by Ariel Sharon at Haram el-Sharif, with the agreement and support of Ehud Barak, set the region ablaze. This was possible because the situation was already potentially explosive as a result of the Israeli delaying tactics and refusal to recognize a Palestinian state whose proclamation has been repeatedly deferred.

      Tony-Lapson - 2012-11-14 07:38

      You seem to have a problem with the Israelites taking back the land that they were chased out of by the ancient Muslim empires. You know, that dark time when Israelis were slaughtered by the thousands and forced out of their own homes, mothers and women were raped, children killed. It no secret, Judaism is at least 800 years older than Islam and Christianity, so where did they live? Just act innocent and keep pushing your "apartheid Israel" marketing slogan to appeal to Africans who were oppressed by whites.

      fidel.mgoqi - 2012-11-14 09:48

      "You seem to have a problem with the Israelites taking back the land that they were chased out of by the ancient Muslim empires." This is so false on so many ways I wouldn't even know where to start, but let me try. The Israelites you speak of have always been present in Israel right up to 1948, lived and migrated to other Middle Eastern countries until these countries reciprocated in 1948 when the terrorist Irgun started killing, demolishing Arab homes and villages. The people "taking back" Arab lands are European immigrants (Ashkenazis), Russians, Poles, Lithuanians, etc, who have no historical or genetic roots to Israel, other than at some point in time having adopted the Jewish religion.

      ricardo.boscaglia - 2012-11-14 10:14

      Anyone with the name "mohammed" or varients thereoff's opinion on Israel or Jews means diddly squat to the civilised peoples of the world. Arab's and muslims are the criminals of history. Occupiers,imperialists,rapists,murderers,genocidal monsters. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquest_of_Syria

      Tony-Lapson - 2012-11-14 11:00

      Again Fidel, focusing only on the last century when this battle is over a thousand years old. Action-reaction situation that has been going on for so long, that even you cannot name every atrocity that has happened from, and against israel and jews from ancient times.

      fidel.mgoqi - 2012-11-14 11:07

      Tony, in 1948 there were Jews in Israel/Palestine, thriving and at peace with their neighbours. Sephardic Jews/Hebrews have never left Israel. It is only after the arrival of the colonial European Ashekanazis that hostilities began, hence my argument limited to that period.

  • danny.levin.351 - 2012-11-14 07:07

    dunkie and Jeremy. It is a fact that the "poor people in GAZA" have again been firing well over 100 rockets this week.these are all aimed at civilian population, intended to kill indiscriminately. for anyone to wage war in such a manner and expect that there will be no reaction is to say the least, not vey smart. I'd say that targeting those who are responsible for the rockets is much more decent than firing the rockets at innocent civiliants in the first place. As for the people in GAZA being "caged", what nation on earth would not isolate an enemy who is attacking it? but to take the carpet out from under your statement the fact is that food, fuel and electricity (and much more) is supplied to GAZA from ISRAEL while EGYPT keeps the border officially closed and does not supply any of these. now please answer who is doing more to isolate them, the nation they are attacking or their "muslim brothers" in Egypt?

      duncan.gill1 - 2012-11-14 09:03

      danny.levine firstly how can you blame men for becoming radicalized when you have killed their kids with bombs and rockets not to mention the many who have died due to a blockade that makes it difficult for medicines to reach those that need it..like premature babies.Perhaps you should check out the statistics on infant mortality in Gaza..and secondly Egypt agrees to blockade the Palestinians from their side because the Yanks pay them to do so under the camp david peace accord the Yanks agreed to pay ex amount to Israel and ex amount to the Egyptians so that they will observe what Israel wants.Please don't tell me I food fuel and electricity is given to the Palestinians in Gaza! Israel just recently said it wants to stop paying taxes to the West Bank Palestinian authority to teach them a lesson is this what you can assisting the Palestinians I THINK NOT!!!

      tommy.jones.754918 - 2012-11-14 10:02

      Dunkie, the Israeli-Egypt peace treaty (after Camp David) was established and signed to ensure lasting peace between these two nations. In exchange the US pays over a billion dollars per year towards Egyptian Defense and the Israelis. Part of this money must be used to "observe" not what Israel wants (as you claim), but to observe where possible threats may damage the existing peace. Now, it is well documented that weapons have entered Palestine through Egypt (what message does that send to Israel?) and Egypt is trying hard to stop this. The future of the treaty is now in the balance because of the change of power in Egypt. In short: you read what you want to read because you are biased.

  • moses.mabhida.52 - 2012-11-14 08:36

    On March 31, 1977, the Dutch newspaper Trouw published an interview with Palestine Liberation Organization executive committee member Zahir Muhsein. Here's what he said: “The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct "Palestinian people" to oppose Zionism. For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa, while as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan.”

      moses.mabhida.52 - 2012-11-14 08:37

      On September 13, 1993, the same day Arafat and Yitzhak Rabin signed the “Declaration of Principles” embodying those ideals for which he would later get the Nobel Prize, he explained his motives on Lebanese TV: “Since we cannot defeat Israel in war, we do this in stages. We take any and every territory that we can of Palestine, and establish sovereignty there, and we use it as a springboard to take more. When the time comes, we can get the Arab nations to join us for the final blow against Israel.”

      Sibusiso - 2012-11-14 09:53

      Moses your argument is irrelevant or rather your comprehension skills are poor. Yes there was no Palestine, but there were people staying where today it is know as Israel. Those people decide to have a name of Palestinens so that they can have a name that they will be remembered with. Does the fact that the people that stayed in the desert (that is today Israel) didn't have a name for their land make them less human than Jews? The fact here is that Jews where staying together with the arabs side by side in that dessert and until Zionists started demolishing their houses and stealing their land.

      fidel.mgoqi - 2012-11-14 10:12

      "he fact here is that Jews where staying together with the arabs side by side in that dessert and until Zionists started demolishing their houses and stealing their land." There is no true fact than this, all the other stuff is irrelevant indeed! "Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist. Not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahlal arose in the place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta; Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushua in the place of Tal al-Shuman. There is not a single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population." -- Moshe Dayan

  • tom.poe.12 - 2012-11-14 10:08

    Israel is one of the last of the last still standing after the fall of Apartheid South Africa.....well thats how most of our paler skinned cousins see it. One thing you can be certain of is that change is inevitable.....for better or for worse, just like in SA, change will come.....you can count on that.

      larry.lachman.54 - 2012-11-14 17:54

      Sure there will be change. Israel will ensure that Palestinians 'change' to peaceful intentions with her neighbour.

  • anneck.cranke - 2012-11-14 11:51

    Again, here is the million dollar question: Why did not Jordan and Egypt establish a "Palestinian state"? For 19 years Jordan controlled the West Bank and Egypt controlled the Gaza Strip. Only now these hypocritical nations demand for Israel to do what Egypt and Jordan never did - give these migrant workers a state. These so-called "Palestinians" have proven they will never live in peace with Israel. One of the main reasons is that these Palestinians have been continually cheated and brutalised by their own Muslim brothers. But their is such a hatred of the Jews dating back thousands of years, it's easy for the Muslims to shift the blame from themselves onto Israel! The fact that they have been kept in the squalor of refugee camps and refused repatriation into their fellow Muslim countries is blamed on the "Israeli occupation of their lands." The facts are undeniable; the ultimate goal of the Muslim Middle East is not to have two peaceful states living side by side in Palestine. Their goal is the destruction of the state of Israel and the removal of all Western influence in the Middle East. True Islam sees itself at war with the culture of the Judea-Christian culture. it is incompatible with the very culturally based Islamic religion.

      fidel.mgoqi - 2012-11-14 11:56

      Palestinians want to be citizens of their own country called Palestine. Just like Jews express their desire to be citizens of a country called Israel. How hard is that to comprehend?

      anneck.cranke - 2012-11-14 12:08

      Fidel. You are one pathetic idiot. That does not answer the question: why did not Egypt and Jordan give the Palestinians a state when they had NINETEEN years to do so? Can you read Fidel? If so, answer the question!

      anneck.cranke - 2012-11-14 12:13

      The fact the these Muslim migrant workers were denied a state by their own Muslim brothers, and that it goes through that empty head of yours bothers me Fidel. But again, you are brainwashed by the endless one-sided stories we see on news sites like these. The very thing the Palestinians want you to see and believe while they shroud the absolute truth.

      fidel.mgoqi - 2012-11-14 12:16

      Again, because Palestinians do not want to be citizens of Jordan or Egypt, but citizens of their own country called Palestine! I can only assume that you read something other than what I had written. Perhaps you need to try a second time.

      anneck.cranke - 2012-11-14 12:48

      I see Fidel. So when you say Palestinians do not want to be citizens of Jordan or Egypt, they will have to be citizens of ISRAEL instead? Because that is exactly then what you are saying! Read up, Fidel. The demand for ISRAEL is to hand the Palestinians a state of their own! Thus, the Palestinians have no choice but to become citizens of ISRAEL! Exercise your brain for once if you actually have one!

      anneck.cranke - 2012-11-14 17:18

      Fidel, you have no backbone in your statements. Your silence to my question shows you have no clue what you are talking about. Your supposed answer earlier is as dumb as you and the comments you post on this site.

      larry.lachman.54 - 2012-11-14 18:15

      Fidel, the Palestinians may want, but they cannot have until they forgo their intent to eliminate Israel.

  • fidel.mgoqi - 2012-11-14 12:29

    The Palestinian question is not about Jew vs Muslim, it never was. It is ideological not racial or religious. The Israelis whilst being notionally Jews in terms of religion are more about claiming to be one race/tribe despite being a collected rabble of mostly Americans and Europeans who moved there since WWII, with mostly ideological links between them. The Palestinians are not all Muslim and other than some more noisy elements like Hamas and Islamic Jihad, don't see this as a matter of religion. For them it is about land, justice and fairness!

      anneck.cranke - 2012-11-14 12:53

      No Fidel. It is about the destruction of Israel. That's all it is! Whether you like it or it is all about religion and Islam's war on Christianity. Fidel, do me a favour - a small request. You may not be Christian - but please do find a bible. Whatever your beliefs are, please read in the old testament Ezekiel chapter 36. The events of today are exactly what has been foretold in that very chapter.

      fidel.mgoqi - 2012-11-14 14:47

      And the Zionist ideology calls for the establishment of Eretz Israel? Theodor Herzl, the founder of Zionism, says that the area of the Jewish state stretches: “From the Brook of Egypt to the Euphrates”! Rabbi Fischmann, member of the Jewish Agency for Palestine declared in his testimony to the U.N. Special Committee of Enquiry on July 9, 1947: The Promised Land extends from the River of Egypt to the Euphrates. It includes parts of Syria and Lebanon.

      larry.lachman.54 - 2012-11-14 18:21

      Be that as it may HAVE BEEN. Israel is now realistic in its intentions. Zionism is morphed into Jewish nationalism, and not the earlier intention of expanding to biblical borders. The 'occupation' of the West Bank, and even 'Jewish settlements' would not have come about if Israel proper were not continually attacked by its Arab neighbours. Israel will withdraw back to its mandated territory, even in the Golan, when peace is offered in exchange for territory lost.

  • fidel.mgoqi - 2012-11-14 14:54

    The Israeli Occupation Force (IOF) is today as I print evicting Palestinian farmers from a village in the Jordan valley, because it wants to....wait for it... conduct a military training exercise there,for one day! How sick is that! Even the US terrorist army hasn't reached these low levels of morality since Vietnam.

      anneck.cranke - 2012-11-14 17:20

      Where did you read that dreamt up story Fidel? The Daily Iranian?

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