Israel may still bomb Iran nukes

2012-04-17 19:30

Jerusalem - Israeli Defence Minister Ehud Barak said on Tuesday his country has never promised the United States it would hold off from attacking Iran while nuclear talks were taking place.

The comments, in which Barak said that a diplomatic push to reach a compromise with Iran was a waste of "precious time," further exposed a rift between Israel and the US over how to deal with the Islamic Republic and its nuclear programme.

Israel, arguing that a nuclear Iran would pose an existential threat, has said it will not allow Tehran to acquire a nuclear weapon. It cites Iranian calls for Israel's destruction, Iran's support for Arab militant groups and its development of long-range missiles capable of striking the Jewish state.

Fearing that Iran is moving quickly toward nuclear capability, Israel has repeatedly threatened to attack if the country's uranium enrichment program continues to advance. Enrichment is a key process in developing weapons, and Israel says Iran is closely approaching a point where it can no longer be stopped.

The US favours diplomacy and economic sanctions, and has said military action on Iran's nuclear facilities should only be a last resort if all else fails.

Officials from the United States, Russia, China, Britain, France and Germany met with Iran in Istanbul last weekend to discuss the country's nuclear program. The talks were described as positive, and they agreed to meet again on May 23 in Baghdad.

Barak told Israel's Army Radio he did not believe the talks would prevent Iran from developing a nuclear weapon. "We regret the time being lost. This is precious time," he said.

Earlier this week, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu previously said Iran got a "freebie" from the international community, saying the May meeting gave the Iranians an additional five weeks to continue uranium enrichment without any restrictions. He said Iran should be forced to stop this immediately.

Netanyahu was publicly rebuked by President Barack Obama who said the US had not "given anything away" in the talks.

Iran insists its nuclear program is for peaceful purposes and says it does not seek a bomb. But the US and its allies do not take the promise seriously.

The Obama administration has urgently sought to hold off Israeli military action, which would likely result in the US being pulled into a conflict as well.

  • Ted - 2012-04-17 20:36

    A mistake Israel can make is to believe that it is still 2007. Countries like Saudi Arabia, Egypt etc are no longer the same as in 1967. America supplies these countries with jets and weapons, so they really are talking from knowledge of what consequences war can bring.If there is another Arab-Israeli war, Israel as we know it will be finished. If they really believe America will come to their rescue, ask yourself why it has failed in Iraq and Afghanistan. A regional war started by the extremist Netanyau admin will wipe out all we have known about that region. Barak is wrong. Barack is right!

      Larry - 2012-04-17 21:09

      Interesting hypothesis Ted. At last, someone with more than a few brain cells. I am sure that Israel and its leaders are not deluding themselves. Arab countries may be far better equipped than they were back in 1967, but then so is Israel. The USA is astute in this as well, and they will not be beating themselves out of any arms race, regionally or globally, any time soon. If Egypt and Saudi Arabia have modern jets and weaponry, be assured that Israel and the USA have weapons and systems to neutralise them. In any event, the arms race is already won, and the subject of this article. Israel have nuclear weapons while Arab nations (barring Pakistan) do not. Pakistan are too busy looking nervously at their neighbor India to even glance Israel's way.

      Robert - 2012-04-17 21:31

      We all know why USA is supporting Israel. They are disillusioned with the facts we as citizens know. How to destabilise the middle east 101 for OIL. Come on guys - why bother if your economy do not depend on it. No conspiracy theory. OIL OIL OIL. The US economy cannot exist without it. Feed the animal that has other reasons to secure your own fate. If only the USA knew how they are controlled by OIL. They know it anyways. The other complexities is nothing. Let go of Israel and you have to trade fair market value for OIL. Destabilise the whole region -pump weapons and pledge support into Israel because the soldiers are there and we the real oaks are holding fort in the USA leading the government.

      Larry - 2012-04-17 21:32

      Ted, the reason why the USA failed in Iraq and Afganistan is the same reason why Russia failed in Afganistan, and why Israel has great difficulty against Hamas and Hisbollah. These are not standing armies with defined targets. They are secretive, highly mobile geurilla forces mostly imbedded within civilian population centres or rough terrain. they also have all the time in the world to achieve their goals. Israel effectively neutralises Hamas and Hisbollah through intelligence gathering and pin-point targeting of leadership. Should a regional war break out, then it would be standing armies advancing on discernable fronts, and these can be effectively smashed by the USA and Israel, much like the first days of the Iraqi Gulf war. The USA only got bogged down thereafter by underestimating the power of insurgency.

      DSBennie - 2012-04-18 07:41

      Um the Saudis and other more powerful gulf states cant wait to see the back of Iran, they would publicly condemn Israel but will do nothing.

      DSBennie - 2012-04-18 07:44

      @Larry, Iran is not an Arab country, further more their only ally left in the region is Syria which I don't see being able to support it.

      Larry - 2012-04-18 14:54

      @DSBennie. Arab / Islamic. Quite right. Iran has no other business interfering with Israel apart from the fact that Iran is an Islamic fundamentalist dictatorship whose Koranic interpretation is for the literal demonisation and destruction of Jews. Iran can count on the moral support of China and Russia, but I doubt that these countries will apply anything more than rhetoric in support of Iran, when push comes to shove. In the final analysis, the eventual bombing of Iran's nuclear facilities will be so concise as to register as a non-event with the likelyhood that iran will deny they have been attacked. Only IF Iran retaliates, will the conflagration be widened to a regional war, the outcome of which will be greater devastation to the Iranian military, regime and people.

  • Assis - 2012-04-17 21:07

    Is it actually possible to bomb Israel without bombing Palestine? If rogue states weaponary is anything like North Korea I think Palestine should be more concerned about Iran.

      bluzulu - 2012-04-18 06:50

      "Rogue state" ....typical Fedocracy term,

      Larry - 2012-04-18 14:59

      There is no Palestine. Assis means Israel, but he is correct in that any nuclear attack on Israel will also target 1,2 million non-Jewish israeli's as well as the 4,5 million West Bank and Gaza inhabitants. It is well known that Islamic hatred for Jews far surpasses any concern they may have for their own brethren. After all, many Islamists are on record stating that they love death more than life.

  • Ted - 2012-04-17 21:36

    While America and Israel surely can neutralise conventional warfare weapons; it has been proven in Voetnam, Iraq, and now Afghanistan that the human body is the most elusive of all weapons. A regional war will stretch the capabilities of the IDF to allow gun-totting extremists on foot into the country. Thats how they captured that soldier who they battered with Palestinian prisoners. At best it would be good to have a stable Israel, but it seems Israel does not seem to define its role in engendering the conditions necessary for its own peace,security and its continued existence. The tragedy with being led by war veterans is that they always believe they know better than you, they have the country at heart better than the masses, or that they have a title deed on the country they liberated or fought for. Check Zim, Angola,israel(1967),Namibia and South africa now. The generations immediately below these older people may have a better way of making peace if the veterans whose minds are ever locked in war give them a say in the peace process. Misplaced patriotism has been manifest in some comments here whereby some people believe Israel can't be wrong. It can be wrong and we need to have the testicular fortitude to admit that.

      Larry - 2012-04-17 21:58

      I hear you Ted, and a sober opinion. To compare Israel's leadership with its predominent Western and European influence, to countries such as Zim, Angola, South africa and Namibia; is not being fair on the African countries mentioned. Israeli citizens choose their leadership in an often chaotic but vibrant and brutally honest democratic process which is on-going, unlike the four or five year periodic elections of most other democracies. Israel is in the unfortunate position of never knowing peace. it is on a war-footing since 1948 and this is normal life for all Israeli's. It is the price of a homeland to call their own. The war of the future will not require any stretching of capabilities, other than to tighten homeland security. The only deployment will be airforce materiale, soon to be exclusively un-manned drones. The newest weapon in the bag is a so-called e-bomb that explodes silently above a country or region and every electronic appliance, from watches to communication to transport, just stops. Back to the stone age in a flash and a million times more effective than a nuke. Guess who invented this one?

      Jaba - 2012-04-18 15:30

      Being led by war veterans?? What do you expect? Unfortunately you got the whole situation wrong. Israel wants peace – its neighbours want to destroy Israel. From Morocco to Afghanistan, from the Caspian Sea to Aden, the 5.25 million square miles of territory belonging to members of the Arab League is home to over 330 million people, whereas Israel covers only eight thousand square miles, and is home to seven million citizens, one-fifth of whom are Arabs. The Jews of the Holy Land are thus surrounded by hostile states 650 times their size in territory and 60 times their population, yet their last, best hope of ending two millennia of international persecution, the State of Israel has somehow survived. Israel wants peace; unfortunately this does not go for the other side.

  • Sibusiso - 2012-04-17 21:57

    If you know international law please school me, is it legal to threat another country with bombs ?

  • hussain.adam - 2012-04-17 21:58

    at apartheid israel's behest, women removed from air france flight.... For not being... Wait for it... Jewish.... Apartheid is alive and well in phony so called democracy

      Larry - 2012-04-17 22:05

      What a lot of...wait for it....bulsh1t. There is no apartheid laws in Israel. But there is apartheid laws in many Islamic states.

      allcoveredinNinjas - 2012-04-18 08:54

      A two state solution , the current states of palestine are all 'apartheid' meaning seperateness and seperate development .The world conducts 'apartheid' with borders and seperate nation states most with common ethnic divisions. Its a completely inappropriate label.

      Jaba - 2012-04-18 15:33

      Please provide proof… or is this more of your Friday prayers propaganda? Air France removed protestors – it didn’t matter what religion or skin colour they were. You truly are a racist hussain.

  • hussain.adam - 2012-04-17 21:59

    at apartheid israel's behest, women removed from air france flight.... For not being... Wait for it... Jewish.... Apartheid is alive and well in phony so called democracy

      Larry - 2012-04-17 22:10

      The people refused by Air France and many other airlines were identified as pro-Palestinian activists by Israeli intelligence and these airlines were notified that they would have to pay for these peoples return flight as israel would deny them entry. This was not done because they were not Jewish. Hussain.Adam, you are a lying turd, not from ignorance, but from knowing the truth and intentionally lying. Despicable human.

      Jacques - 2012-04-18 09:49

      HaHahahahahahaha!!havent we heard enough of that pathetic excuse here in South Africa....

  • Dave - 2012-04-17 22:32

    Israel posesses a sizeable number of nuclear warheads in its arsenal but no one is questioning their existence.Should they decide to attack,Iran must swiftly retaliate.Russia and China must also get involved n show Israel that a balance has changed over the years.

      lleminade - 2012-04-17 22:57

      ha ha ha - you obviously are oblivious to biblical prophecy which says that these nations will be destroyed - and it is coming and byt the way - your comment on the warheads - Israel doesnt threaten nations around it to take it off the face of the earth - they are the only democratic country in the middle east and a safe haven for Muslims, christians and Jews - oh and yes Jersusalem is God's Holy city - given to the jews

      Dave - 2012-04-17 23:26

      @Illaminate its people like you who encourage Israel to act with impunity.Jews in the diaspora are making the middle east unsafe because they know they will be far from the conflict.

      Larry - 2012-04-18 06:46

      There is no change in balance, Dave. Why take Iran's side over Israel? The USA and Europe will counter any communist threat as it always has.

      DSBennie - 2012-04-18 07:46

      Israel has not signed the non-proliferation treaty like Iran has hence Israel would not be breaking international law by acquiring nuclear weapons in the same way that Pakistan and India did not, North Korea and Iran did sign thus under international law they may not acquire these weapons and all signatories of the treaty must do their utmost to prevent it

      Dave - 2012-04-18 11:09

      @DSBennie the USA and Israel are not signatories to Non-proliferation treaty so why do they want 2 enforce it?

      Dave - 2012-04-18 11:10

      @DSBennie the USA and Israel are not signatories to Non-proliferation treaty so why do they want 2 enforce it?

      DSBennie - 2012-04-18 13:19

      Dave, The USA is a signatory to the treaty

      Jaba - 2012-04-18 15:40

      China would attack Iran before it would ever attack Israel. Iran is a supplier to China. China can buy their oil in Saudi. The west (of which Israel is part of) buy over 70% of China’s exports. China will eventually stand by its customers – not its supplier.

      Fred - 2012-04-18 18:05

      You've learnt very little, if anything from Apartheid. You're backing the most oppressive regimes in the world. Not smart.

  • Dave - 2012-04-17 22:33

    Israel posesses a sizeable number of nuclear warheads in its arsenal but no one is questioning their existence.Should they decide to attack,Iran must swiftly retaliate.Russia and China must also get involved n show Israel that a balance has changed over the years.

  • Timësto Van Dyk - 2012-04-18 07:36

    The US and Israel want to be the only powerful countries and host nuclear weapons...they scared of Iran, let the servants of Allah do their work and arm themselves if they must.

      Fred - 2012-04-18 18:09

      A very narrow and faulty persoective. You're also a racist. Not smart. Very dumb.

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