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Israel ministry proposes toppling Abbas

2012-11-14 15:00

Jerusalem - Israel's foreign ministry has proposed in a policy paper  to topple Palestinian President Mahmud Abbas if a Palestinian bid for state observer status at the United Nations is approved later this month.

"Toppling Abu Mazen's [Abbas's] regime would be the only option in this case," the position paper obtained by AFP says. "Any other option... would mean waving a white flag and admitting the failure of the Israeli leadership to deal with the challenge."

The position paper is a draft document that is expected to be endorsed by Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman, who would then present it to the Israeli officials charged with formulating Israel's response to the Palestinian bid.

Lieberman has already reportedly expressed his view that Abbas's Palestinian Authority should be dismantled if the UN bid succeeds.

The Palestinians are expected to present their bid for state observer status at the General Assembly on 29 November, over opposition from the United States and Israel.

The bid comes slightly more than a year after the Palestinians sought full UN membership at the Security Council, a request that stalled there because of opposition from the United States, a permanent member and veto-holder.

High price


But the bid for enhanced membership through the General Assembly, which would elevate the Palestinians to a non-member state, is expected to easily succeed, prompting a harsh Israeli response.

The ministry paper warns that Israel "must extract a high price from Abu Mazen", and that receiving state status at the UN "would be considered a crossing of a red line".

Israel's Channel 10 reported 5 November that Lieberman had backed the dismantling of the Palestinian Authority, in comments to EU foreign policy chief Catherine Ashton.

"If the Palestinians go to the UN General Assembly with a new unilateral initiative, they must know they will be subject to severe measures by Israel and the United States," the station quoted Lieberman as saying on 24 October.

"If the Palestinians pursue their project at the UN, they are definitively destroying the chances of peace talks," he reportedly added.

"If they persist with this project, I will ensure that the Palestinian Authority collapses."

Comments
  • mikel.kiparski - 2012-11-14 15:26

    why is israel a member and palistina not did they not get devided in 1949 into israel and palistine?????

      fidel.mgoqi - 2012-11-14 15:34

      Because Zionists in the US have over the years pressured the US government (through withholding of political donations to Congressmen) to veto any UN resolution that sought to grant Palestine official statehood. Over 40 vetoes have been used by the US to prevent Israel from intl censure! But just "today" over 188 countries have voted for the lifting of a US embargo against Cuba. If those voting patterns are anything to go by, then the Palestinian wish will be granted in the General Assembly!

      mikel.kiparski - 2012-11-14 15:44

      but did brittain and russia not vote for and usa against in 1949???

      customdesign - 2012-11-14 16:03

      Mikel, no they did not. Go read on Wikipedia what happened and get an education.

      terence.makapan - 2012-11-14 16:08

      Fidel, I would really like to meet your history teacher someday...

      allcoveredinNinjas - 2012-11-14 16:12

      Its because arab states intervened in 1948 to prevent the partition and support the Palestinian Arab population. Transjordan took control of territory designated for the future Arab State, Syrian, Iraqi and Egyptian expeditionary forces then attacked Israel . No Palestinian Arab state was founded: Jordan annexed the Arab territories of the Mandatory regions of Samaria and Judea (today known as the West Bank), as well as East Jerusalem, while the Gaza strip came under Egyptian administration . Isreal took control over palestinain territories when they lost when they attempted to end Isreal again in 1967.It really has very little to do with Jew bribes in the US ect.

      fidel.mgoqi - 2012-11-14 16:35

      Terence, the time of school teachers pretending to be the only ones to define what happened in the world is gone!

      denis.maceoin - 2012-11-14 16:59

      Simply this. In 1948, the Israelis opted to vreate a Jewish state. The Arabs refused and invaded Israel within hours, sending 6 armies to destroy it. The Arabs lost. Every time since then when there has been a chance to agree on peace terms, the Palestinians have walked away. Each time they could have had an independent state of their own. But the Palestinian position follows the terms of the 1967 Khartoum Declaration of the Arab League: 'No negotiations with Israel, no recognition of Israel, and no peace with Israel.' Is it surprising that they don't have a state and still try to wriggle out of their problem by inventing ways to create a state without making peace first?

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-11-16 17:38

      Because the Palestinian Authority wants to destroy Israel.

  • issa.kabudula - 2012-11-14 16:23

    My comment reserved - its unfortunate when people are denied statehood.

      denis.maceoin - 2012-11-14 17:08

      The Palestinians are not denied statehood, not by the UN, not by Israel, not by the US. They are welcome to make peace any day, and on good terms. But they refuse to give up their struggle to take all the Holy Land for themselves. If they destroy Israel (as they try), their new state will be big, but completely illegal. So, it's unfortunate, but they are denying statehood to themselves, no-one else is doing it to them.

      tom.poe.12 - 2012-11-14 17:36

      Lets have a one man one vote in Israel / Palestine. Including the Zionist settlers and the Palestinian refugees.......true democracy.

      boaz.yarmarkov - 2012-11-14 18:23

      Yes, denied statehood by their own corrupt and/or religious fanatics leaderships.

  • Bruce - 2012-11-14 17:22

    It is very naïve to think the american jews, who own most top law firms and banks in america and have friends (read puppets) very high in the echelons of power in the USA, have no influence on the events of the middle east, Israel and the role the USA plays..google, Paul wolfowitz former head of the world bank an american jew and see his influence on american foreign policy particularly in regards to the middle east, he is one but many of the examples that american jews are the stumbling block to peace efforts in the middle east..CNN won't tell you the truth, its on us as individuals to search for the truth.

      tom.poe.12 - 2012-11-14 17:41

      The illegitimate Saudi monarchy...the House of Al Saud who were installed into power by the same British are in bed with the Zionists.

      alistair.parkinson - 2012-11-14 18:07

      Lol you two....

  • avital.furmanmaraney - 2012-11-14 18:13

    Its so sad that after the Holocaust and the discrimination that has gone on agaist All denominations there are still people like BRUCE around. I have never heard such ignorance in my life. I have read many books with many sources about what really happened in Israel in 1948, I would like you to bring me one proof about what you are saying. No one can say WHY israel is an apartheid state, its just something that you and your cronies have learnt from the media. Bruce you are a typical anti Semitre, blaming the Jews for all the problems in the world, when we make up but 1%. Thank you for giving us so much power. As for the rubbish you spew, it will continue because even though the palestianians and their Arab counterparts cant beat the Israeli army who is a fraction of there size, they are winning the war of propaganda. But I know, that you are just an idiot vomiting out facts that you've overheard. And there are rockets, who civilians have to live with each day, kids can't go to school, but of course they don't count to you because they Israeli civilians.You and all the other ani Israel people out there are ignorant people with double standards and it all boils down to the age old problem of Anti semitism.

      Bruce - 2012-11-14 20:42

      There is that word again, ANTI-SEMITIC...what's old news and as worthless as the anc always blaming apartheid for everything that is wrong in SA. Trust me I got nothing again ordinary jews, my gripe is with the racist, Islamophobes (not that I am a muslim) zionist leaders that are hell-bent on destabilising, dominating and weakening the arab states around the state of israel, 2ndly I just hate terrorists in whatever form they come in..make no mistake my good sir, without american aide of military hardware, intelligence and mercenaries israel would be exposed for a weak state it is.

      josh.friedman.712 - 2012-11-15 07:46

      Bruce!!! Go read a book china... you probably get your info from CNN... I can guarantee you that if Israels neighbors stopped fighting with them (which has been happening since 1948) there will be peace in the middle east!!!!

      Sharon Gien-Cambier - 2012-11-15 08:11

      nice one @Avital, but unfortunately the hate in these people are too deep. We are hated because of our religion. Whether people know us or not. You a Jew u evil. Thats how they were raised and the chain will never be broken because people like Bruce will teach his kids how evil the Jews are and they will teach their kids....

      boaz.yarmarkov - 2012-11-15 08:32

      "When people criticize Zionists they mean Jews, you are talking anti-Semitism." MARTIN LUTHER KING, JR.

  • gcodi.mahomed - 2012-11-14 18:30

    Under international law, all peoples have a right to resist military occupation by any means available. If they are terrorists then so were the Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto uprising during WWII. If they are terrorists then so were the founders of Israel. Israelis have never acknowledged the right of Palestine to exist. Israel has never acknowledged the borders recognized by the UN in 1948. The land is not Israel's to give. Israel can have either land or peace, not both. Total land for total peace.

      larry.lachman.54 - 2012-11-15 06:25

      You say - "Israel never acknowledged the borders recognised by the UN in 1948". Israel most definitely did, and it was the Arab world that did not. It seems that neither do you. Your confusion is that land was stolen WHEN? In 1948 with the establishment of UN mandated Israel, or 1967 with Israel's occupation of West Bank and Gaza. "Total land for total peace". Do you mean, all of Israel returned to so-called Palestinians, or just the 'so-called occupied territory of West Bank? Land for peace was tried with Gaza, which is no longer occupied. See where that got Israel. They will not make the same mistake with the West Bank.

      Sharon Gien-Cambier - 2012-11-15 08:04

      @gcodi...prior to 1948 the Jews and the Arabs and Palestinians lived together. Then one day the Jews and the Palestinians got chased out. They had to flee and leave everything behind. Their homes, furniture etc. Everything. The Jews went to the UN to try and get compensation. They are still waiting. Who stole from who? Israel was given to the people by the British. It was under British rule. Palestinians didnt want to live with the Israelis. they wanted on their own. Israel flourished through hard work and the Palestinians played with the devil and sat idle, and cried about how they were being treated. Gaza had everything..hospital, schools etc. Jews lived there before with Palestinians. They wanted it, the Jewish people moved. Now they complain because hamas moved in with them and started wars??? Facts and truths first before you lot of racists strip people bare because of there religion. Jews have been hated from beginning of time and they will be hated till the end of time...just as all Muslims are not terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslims!

      jon.jones.90663894 - 2012-11-15 08:41

      Mahomed -- the people who did not 'recognize the borders' in 1948 were the people who attacked Israel. They disregarded the borders , crossed them and tried to go on a Jew killing spree. Their little 'border disregarding' adventure went sour and has stayed that way. BUT HEY Mohammed tell you what. I will make a deal with you. If Hamas , hisbolla and all of the other Jew-hating odds and sods give up their weapons and recognize Israels' right to exist I will personally guarantee that Israel will be a total partner in total peace between it and all of it's neigbours. And I am not even Jewish.

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-11-16 17:38

      Israel was created in 1948 from 52% of the land formerly occupied by the Jewish and Palestinian people, and Palestine 43%. Most of the Israeli territory was the Negev Desert. Jerusalem fell into neither territory. Palestinians with their unelected, self-serving neighbors declared war on Israel the very next day. In the 1960's they even invaded Israel twice. Full military invasions. The result: Israel survived and pushed them back, gaining territory in the process. This is the origin of what you wrongly call "stealing land". There have been almost daily attacks by Palestinians, incited by their self-serving unelected backers. Palestinians even teach their children at Kindergarten to attack Israel, rather than be peaceful. Children. Kindergarten. From day one, and even today it's wage war on Israel. Israel defends herself. Yes sometimes going too far, which is unacceptable, but self-defense nonetheless. All that needs to happen is for Palestinians to choose peace side by side with Israel. This is more likely going forward now because the unelected dictators are being removed from power by their people, one by one. They will no longer use the Palestinians for their own internal political ploys.

  • gcodi.mahomed - 2012-11-14 18:34

    Israel is the most dangerous place in the world for Jews to live. Jews who went to live in Israel chose to live in constant danger.No one has ever forced Jews to live in Israel. Only the stupid Jews choose to live in Israel.Only Jews with no regard for their personal safety and the saftey of their children go to live in Israel.

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-11-16 17:38

      Israel was created in 1948 from 52% of the land formerly occupied by the Jewish and Palestinian people, and Palestine 43%. Most of the Israeli territory was the Negev Desert. Jerusalem fell into neither territory. Palestinians with their unelected, self-serving neighbors declared war on Israel the very next day. In the 1960's they even invaded Israel twice. Full military invasions. The result: Israel survived and pushed them back, gaining territory in the process. This is the origin of what you wrongly call "stealing land". There have been almost daily attacks by Palestinians, incited by their self-serving unelected backers. Palestinians even teach their children at Kindergarten to attack Israel, rather than be peaceful. Children. Kindergarten. From day one, and even today it's wage war on Israel. Israel defends herself. Yes sometimes going too far, which is unacceptable, but self-defense nonetheless. All that needs to happen is for Palestinians to choose peace side by side with Israel. This is more likely going forward now because the unelected dictators are being removed from power by their people, one by one. They will no longer use the Palestinians for their own internal political ploys.

  • gcodi.mahomed - 2012-11-14 18:36

    Israel murders people because they are suspected of intending to commit acts of resistance to the occupation in the future.While Israel calls them targeted killings and claims to have knowledge of their intentions, not once has it released any conclusive evidence. All evidence against all of them must be released else the charge is murder.All of Israel's so called targeted killings are murders.

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-11-16 17:38

      Israel was created in 1948 from 52% of the land formerly occupied by the Jewish and Palestinian people, and Palestine 43%. Most of the Israeli territory was the Negev Desert. Jerusalem fell into neither territory. Palestinians with their unelected, self-serving neighbors declared war on Israel the very next day. In the 1960's they even invaded Israel twice. Full military invasions. The result: Israel survived and pushed them back, gaining territory in the process. This is the origin of what you wrongly call "stealing land". There have been almost daily attacks by Palestinians, incited by their self-serving unelected backers. Palestinians even teach their children at Kindergarten to attack Israel, rather than be peaceful. Children. Kindergarten. From day one, and even today it's wage war on Israel. Israel defends herself. Yes sometimes going too far, which is unacceptable, but self-defense nonetheless. All that needs to happen is for Palestinians to choose peace side by side with Israel. This is more likely going forward now because the unelected dictators are being removed from power by their people, one by one. They will no longer use the Palestinians for their own internal political ploys.

  • imtiaz.osman.5 - 2012-11-14 19:29

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOaxAckFCuQ

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-11-16 17:39

      Israel was created in 1948 from 52% of the land formerly occupied by the Jewish and Palestinian people, and Palestine 43%. Most of the Israeli territory was the Negev Desert. Jerusalem fell into neither territory. Palestinians with their unelected, self-serving neighbors declared war on Israel the very next day. In the 1960's they even invaded Israel twice. Full military invasions. The result: Israel survived and pushed them back, gaining territory in the process. This is the origin of what you wrongly call "stealing land". There have been almost daily attacks by Palestinians, incited by their self-serving unelected backers. Palestinians even teach their children at Kindergarten to attack Israel, rather than be peaceful. Children. Kindergarten. From day one, and even today it's wage war on Israel. Israel defends herself. Yes sometimes going too far, which is unacceptable, but self-defense nonetheless. All that needs to happen is for Palestinians to choose peace side by side with Israel. This is more likely going forward now because the unelected dictators are being removed from power by their people, one by one. They will no longer use the Palestinians for their own internal political ploys.

  • gert.swart.393 - 2012-11-14 20:45

    Palestinian statehood is the only way to protect the Palestinians against the hatred and violence from the jews.

      avital.furmanmaraney - 2012-11-14 22:53

      You must have not heard about the 100+ rockets fired into civilian Israel. Maybe Israeli civilians and Palestinian civilians where not created equal?

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-11-16 17:39

      Israel was created in 1948 from 52% of the land formerly occupied by the Jewish and Palestinian people, and Palestine 43%. Most of the Israeli territory was the Negev Desert. Jerusalem fell into neither territory. Palestinians with their unelected, self-serving neighbors declared war on Israel the very next day. In the 1960's they even invaded Israel twice. Full military invasions. The result: Israel survived and pushed them back, gaining territory in the process. This is the origin of what you wrongly call "stealing land". There have been almost daily attacks by Palestinians, incited by their self-serving unelected backers. Palestinians even teach their children at Kindergarten to attack Israel, rather than be peaceful. Children. Kindergarten. From day one, and even today it's wage war on Israel. Israel defends herself. Yes sometimes going too far, which is unacceptable, but self-defense nonetheless. All that needs to happen is for Palestinians to choose peace side by side with Israel. This is more likely going forward now because the unelected dictators are being removed from power by their people, one by one. They will no longer use the Palestinians for their own internal political ploys.

  • avital.furmanmaraney - 2012-11-14 22:40

    BRUCE, I recall you writing that you wished Hitler had finished the job, to me, "the ordinary Jew" it is anti semetic. And dont you worry, I won't blame you for my problems. I challenge you to give me a synopsis of the histoy of Israel from 1948 till present, all the wars, the status of the refugees etc. Bottom line is you know nothing. I lived in Israel for 2 years, Palestinians are free to live where they choose, vote, sit on whichever busses(oh and they,ve blown up a few of those)shop in whichever shops. If you did a bit of research of which you seem incapable, you would realize that the Palestians where left out in the cold by there fellow Arab neighbours to be the sacrificial propaganda lambs. The bottom line is you will never agree with me, Israel will always be the scapegoats, but let us see who will be victorious in the end??

  • matusowsky - 2012-11-14 23:00

    I love Israel and all but if the General Assembly votes yes, why not. Like I'll always be on the Israeli side when it comes to this conflict but this is a bit too much from their side. They're equal to Mahmoud from Iran in saying that the PA cannot exist if they look to be accepted as a non-member state. Then again this is just the word of one man and not Israel as a whole, regardless... It's a stupid endevour to seak the destruction of the PA. It is the ultimate hypocrisy :/. They have every right to go to the UN and seek non-member observer status. Israel cannot bully them into not seeking this status when honestly the peave talks have been stalled for so long. Good on the PA for taking the initiative here. At least while the PA doesn't shoot rockets (HAMAS militants are not PA) they are seeking the democratic solution where Israel is constantly stalling. Hopefully this speeds up the process into getting the "two-state solution" rather than hindering it.

      fidel.mgoqi - 2012-11-15 07:37

      Your analogy re Ahmedinajed is spot on! "Lieberman has already reportedly expressed his view that Abbas's Palestinian Authority should be dismantled if the UN bid succeeds." Ahmedinajed has also expressed his view that the Zionist regime should be dismantled.

  • fidel.mgoqi - 2012-11-15 07:48

    Lieberman should go back to Moldova where he came from!

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-11-16 17:39

      And Nelson Mandela to the US, of which according to you he is a puppet?

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