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Israel plans a fatal blow to peace - Ban

2012-12-03 08:00

New York - UN leader Ban Ki-moon warned on Sunday that if Israel implemented its latest plan for new settlements it would deal an "almost fatal blow" to any prospects for peace with the Palestinians.

Israel's announcement about the 3 000 Jewish settler homes, whose planned location was not revealed, came in the wake of a historic vote by the United Nations General Assembly to upgrade Palestine's diplomatic status.

Israeli media reported that some of the new construction would be in E1, a highly contentious area of the West Bank that runs between the easternmost edge of annexed east Jerusalem and the Maaleh Adumim settlement.

Palestinians bitterly oppose the E1 project, as it would effectively cut the occupied West Bank in two, north to south, and make the creation of a viable Palestinian state even more problematic.

Concern, disappointment


"It was with grave concern and disappointment that the secretary general learned of Israel's announcement of 3 000 new settlement units in east Jerusalem and other parts of the West Bank," a statement from Ban's spokesperson said.

"This would include reported planning in the so-called E1 envelope, which risks completely cutting off east Jerusalem from the rest of the West Bank.

"Settlements are illegal under international law and, should the E1 settlement be constructed, it would represent an almost fatal blow to remaining chances of securing a two-state solution."

Ban's statement represented an unusually strong condemnation of Israeli settlement plans from the UN chief and followed a chorus of disapproval from the United States, Britain, France and the European Union.

"The secretary general repeats his call on all concerned to resume negotiations and intensify efforts towards a comprehensive, just and lasting peace and urges the parties to refrain from provocative actions," Ban's statement said.

On Thursday, the UN General Assembly overwhelmingly backed a resolution recognising Palestine within the 1967 borders as a non-member observer state.

Tit-for-tat


Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu had warned that by going to the UN, the Palestinians had "violated" previous agreements with Israel, such as the 1993 Oslo Accords, and that his country would "act accordingly".

In another tit-for-tat, Israeli Finance Minister Yuval Steinitz said on Sunday that the Jewish state would not transfer tax and tariff funds it collects for the Palestinians this month.

Peace talks have been on hold since September 2010, with the Palestinians insisting on a settlement freeze before returning to the negotiating table and the Israelis insisting on no preconditions.

Israel has long feared that if the Palestinians won the rank of a UN non-member state, they could pursue the Jewish state for war crimes at the International Criminal Court - particularly over settlements.

With their newly-acquired status, the Palestinians now have access to a range of UN agencies, as well as to the ICC, though Palestinian leader Mahmud Abbas said he had no plans to immediately petition the tribunal.

The Palestinians want east Jerusalem as capital of their state and vigorously resist expansion plans for Maaleh Adumim, which lies 5km from the city's eastern edge.

Arab East Jerusalem was captured by Israel with the rest of the West Bank in the 1967 Six-Day War and later annexed in a move not recognised by the international community.

Israel considers all of Jerusalem as its "eternal, indivisible" capital, and does not view construction in the eastern sector to be settlement activity.

Comments
  • johan.dutoit.566148 - 2012-12-03 08:38

    How can people be so evil?

      larry.lachman.54 - 2012-12-03 18:38

      There is no evil in Israel's actions. Unilateral posturing by the Palestinians will result in unilateral response by Israel, in Israel's favor. Get used to it. In any event, the land to be developed is unused and Israel is claiming it. Get used to it.

      warren.slater.353 - 2012-12-03 20:05

      @ Larry. Such arrogance. Get used to becoming a pariah.

      larry.lachman.54 - 2012-12-03 20:36

      There will be no sanctions on Israel. Israel does not just grow oranges. Israel exports high technology and it has the leverage to keep this business.

  • Mike - 2012-12-03 08:41

    The look on Ban Ki Moon and Abass's face says it all. "Screw Israel - we are Best Friends..." As for me...I think it's time to start looking for a place to stay in East Jerusalem where me and my Jewish friends belong.

      foe.no - 2012-12-03 08:58

      Are you still here?

      saintbruce.bruce - 2012-12-03 11:25

      Israel only wants the land it always had for thousands of years. Now you want to set boundaries based on modern times for an ancient nation? Get real. The Bible predicted the return of scattered [ after centuries of wars by agressors against Israel] Jews back to Israel and these people need to live somewhere. Trying to set boundaries after agressive acts is actually not going to work for all sides in the matter. Bottom line - there is no solution to this issue and Israel will stoicly defend itself irrespective of outside comments or actions. The Arabs who attack Israel are Muslim and Islam cannot and will not treat the Jewish peoples with anything other than total agression. People can stand up and talk peace buth there can never be peace between spiritual enemies. That just won't happen.

      lila.hearst - 2012-12-03 11:34

      You are correct Mike. What I find interesting is most of the people commenting negatively have never been to Israel and have no clue what's going on there. Israel is seen as "the bad guy." This however is prophetic as the bible says that in the end days "all nations will turn against Israel." How foolish man is. The land was given to them by God. Look at the size of the countries around Israel, occupied by muslims. Why don't they give a piece of their land to the Palestinians? Not Israels fault that they breed like africans. Part of the portion Palestinians lived in was beautiful farming export land. Over USD250 million a year was exported. Once it was occupied by palestinians the land was used as areas to launch rockets and now brings in no income. They have the same mentality as the Africans. We want. We use violence and force and take. We don't want work or educate ourselves. We continue to breed like rabbits. There is no accountability. Like Netanyahu said: If the muslims lay down their weapons there will be peace; if the jews lay down their weapons they will be slaughtered.

      sonja.brandt1 - 2012-12-03 13:24

      Its not enough to be Zionist, is it? U have to add some serious racism in that mix too Lila. Idiots.

      larry.lachman.54 - 2012-12-03 15:38

      @Ashraaf, The Palestinians are a construct. They are not a nation and never were one. They were and still are Jordanian Arabs and Egyptian Arabs.

      ashraaf.fakier - 2012-12-03 18:47

      @larry, where do you get your information from. before israel there were no jewish nation. besides you talking absolute rubbish and your knowledge of the arab world is completely distorted. So let look at the geography, how is it possible that gord gave the Israel;s as they claim such a small piece of worthless land when they are surrounded by rich Arab land, plenty oil. secondly the majority of Israeli skin colour do not even fit with the geography. perhaps they were a misplacedf people.

      warren.slater.353 - 2012-12-03 20:17

      So what if the Palestinians are members of the UN, unless of course Israel has something be be worried about...like justice maybe. With France & Britain recalling its ambassadors it's clear the tide of popular opinion is turning against Israel. The more I listen to modern acts of violence predicated on ancient scribblings, the less respect I have for Israel and its people. That's not to say Palestine are blameless but Israel always negotiates peace then immediately starts building more settlements on land it doesn't own. Then when people who move into those settlements get attacked Israel needs to "defend" itself. When you're on someone elses land you're the aggressor no matter how you try to spin it

      larry.lachman.54 - 2012-12-03 20:49

      @ashraaf. Your knowledge of Israel is not much greater than your knowlege of the arab world, which is very little. Firstly, 60% of Israeli jews are Arab Jews, who were forcefully kicked out of arab countries with all their assets and posessions confiscated by the ststes they had lived in for centuries. so the majority of israeli jews skin colour fit in perfectly with the geography. Secondly, the European, Russian and Ethiopean black Jews are immigrants. If you see something wrong with that then I see something wrong with the existence of Arab Muslim immigrants living in France and Britain. Neh? See the logic? Perhaps not. @Gollum, Israel have as much 'ownership' rights as do Palestinians. It is not a territory owned by any sovereign state. Building homes on unused barren land is not a sin. A government destroying towns and villages along with its people in neighbouring Syria is a sin. The Jewish settlement in the West Bank occupy 4% of the West Bank and 40% is uninhabited by anyone. There is no shortage of space in the West Bank, that the Palestinians cannot expand into. But the presence of Jews. Oy vay.

      warren.slater.353 - 2012-12-04 07:07

      Just because land may be barren or unused doesn't mean Israel can take it...borders, honest negotiations and justice are clearly a foreign concepts to Israel. Pointing out wrongdoings in neighbouring lands doesn't justify Israel's actions. Jews seem to live by the "might is right" philosophy these days...amazing how 70 years can change a race of people.

  • sonja.brandt1 - 2012-12-03 08:48

    It is my hope that the world will stop standing by unperturbed, while Israel does exactly what they want to the Palestinian people. Perhaps this act by Israel will bring more awareness to the world of what a despicable state Israel truly is and why the Palestinians are so angry at them. You would think that a people that suffered such terror (from the Germans) simply due to their religion would be more considerate and open minded to that of others. But God works in his own time and some day soon Israel will be held responsible for all the injustices and terror that they committed against the Palestinians.

      larry.lachman.54 - 2012-12-03 09:42

      There are no Palestinian people. They are a construct. The Arabs of the area are Jordanians in the WB and Egyptians in the Gaza. Egypt and Jordan must take back what is given to them by Israel.

      ygasant - 2012-12-03 09:57

      @Larry. Just like there was NO JEWISH STATE pre 1948. Your argument is bogus. So the aborigine, moari and american indian should follow suit and start killing other nations residing on their land. RIGGGGHHHHTTT.

      michael.taylorw - 2012-12-03 11:32

      No jewish state pre 1948? Wow, you most certainly need a history lesson bud. That land, as far back as history can go, has never belonged to anyone, but the Israelis. And Larry is correct. The Palestinians are left overs from all the surrounding arab states. They are the settlers. It is the arabs who do not want peace. Do you even know what the moto of hamas is? I suggest you look it up. You want to see the face of pure evil, look no further than hamas. And yes, I have done my research.

      lila.hearst - 2012-12-03 11:36

      @ygasant. What a ball of crap. God gave that land to Israel many moons ago. You live in a fantasy world. The ANC supports Palestinians and so do you. Similar thinking clearly...

      ygasant - 2012-12-03 12:10

      @Michael. Dont get your lines crossed. The jewish state, I talk of is the one currently, which was established in 1948. I do not question, Israeli's as a nation, as we both know, they have existed for many moons. @Lila.Ok, so God has promised Israel the land many moons ago. So purely based on this, it is righteous to go and kill the people who were currently living there based on GOD promised me this land? I'm not living in a fantasy world because in a fantasy world, NOBODY, jew or muslim, should ever bury their 11 month old baby, :-(.

      ygasant - 2012-12-03 12:16

      @Michael. Do not make pretences on what my views are on Hamas. I have not commented on hamas. They too have their flaws. Personally Hamas, should fight with non-violence BUT you try the non-violence approach when your child gets killed and you have to bury them, irrespective of religion or beliefs.

      gerhard.stander.5 - 2012-12-03 12:30

      Sonja, please don’t advertise your ignorance. Please learn your history. You are correct in one fact, and that is that the Jews “suffered such terror (from the Germans)” They have been prosecuted by the whole Arab world as well. Why can’t you ignorant people start to blame the aggressors? The Israeli government got a responsibility and duty to protect it’s citizens. Netanyahu said: “If the Muslims lay down their weapons there will be peace; If the Israelis lay down their weapons there will be no Israel.”

      Moi - 2012-12-03 12:41

      " BUT you try the non-violence approach when your child gets killed and you have to bury them, irrespective of religion or beliefs." The same applies to the Israelis. They've also had to bury their children.

      sonja.brandt1 - 2012-12-03 12:53

      Gerhard: I know my history very well. In addition, I also know what Israel is currently doing to the Palestinian people. Either u don't know, you're brain dead or you are a Zionist. Based on your response, my guess is no.3 Thus, keep ur worthless statement, because soon people will start to forget the suffering of innocent Jews under the Germans, becos Israel is not acting any better towards the Palestinians, than the Germans acted against the Jews. Israel will become known as a cruel and ruthless nation and history will remember them as such. Do you think that is fair to the many innocent Jews who died in Germany? Israel is a disgrace to their memory!

      martin.flynn.330 - 2012-12-03 15:34

      Way to go Sonja, someone needs to educate the people as to Israel's mission to divide and conquer the Palestinians. The border between Israel and 'Palestine' is 300 miles odd, but the wall they built is 600 odd miles?! The settlers are aggressively invading Palestine with the backing of the IDF while the world watches on silently. If that happened to me and no one listened, I'd be tempted to shoot a couple of rockets at my oppressors. Is this not what Nelson Mandela did which got him into prison? Hence the ANC supports them (which is about the most useful thing the ANC is doing, ever!) :)

      johan.dutoit.566148 - 2012-12-03 17:15

      Well said Martin.

      larry.lachman.54 - 2012-12-03 18:45

      @martin. The world watched silently when neighboring Arab countries aggressively attempted to invade Israel with full military onslaught on several occasions. On one of these occasions Israel conquered territory, not of a sovereign country, but an area that was up for grabs. Israel would gladly give it all back just as it did with the Sinai Peninsular, if only those whose territories were conquered agreed to peace and recognition of Israel. The Pestinian have done neither and therefore Israel will take that land, or as much of it that they wish to take. The longer the Pestinians dither, the more they will lose.

  • veldt66 - 2012-12-03 08:54

    Sonja that's the best statement!

  • fatima.seedat.165 - 2012-12-03 08:54

    History will redeem the Palestinian people. Like apartheid ,Zionism will fail too. All it takes is a few good men to take a stand. And they are.....Jews against Zionism!

      jaun.lombard.9 - 2012-12-03 11:04

      It is spoils of war and no Apartheid didn't end because a war was won. It there was a war...well it would have been swift! Palestinians wanted to murder all everybody in Israel, they lost and the winner can take the land he won. They cant come now and say Israel is wrong if they stared it a long time ago when Israel wasn't even a state!

      ygasant - 2012-12-03 14:17

      Jaun, which century are you living in. Winner takes the land? British Mandate for Palestine. Go and read/research and you may just learn something. Amazing how the brits remain silent after playing 'God'.

      larry.lachman.54 - 2012-12-03 15:41

      To the victor goes the spoils. Especially when the attacking side loses in battle. Common law going back to the cavemen.

  • ygasant - 2012-12-03 09:51

    Here's a scenario: Someone comes to your home, kicks you out of your house, on the basis that the land your house was built on was promised to them. Then they move you to your backyard. Then they build a wall around your living area. Then they control that access to and from YOUR backyard on occupied land that was yours in the first place. Then when you attempt to fight back for what IS yours, they attack you in the name of there right to protect themselves, while they illegally occupy what was yours. Would you allow this?

      hnievd - 2012-12-03 11:06

      You mean like land claims here and in Zim?

      lila.hearst - 2012-12-03 11:39

      It was never their land to begin with. The land was given to the Israelies by God.

      mbossenger - 2012-12-03 13:03

      It's a pity then that "god" doesn't show himself and clear up this mess for once and for all.

      sonja.brandt1 - 2012-12-03 13:34

      Lol!!! Good one mbossinger! Also, I suppose that since its ok for Israeli's to take Palestinian land because it was given to them by God, I suppose its also ok for one person to kill another because God told them to? Make no mistake: I am religious and I am not mocking God. I am mocking the idiots who use God as an excuse to commit atrocious acts. Shame on u!

      doberman.love.1 - 2012-12-03 14:43

      except that Jews were on this land 2000 years before Islam was born... so the occupiers got kicked off the land... and now the Arabs can go live in Jordan. the land is with its rightful owners, the Israelis, that’s for sure :)

  • willem.dehaan.94 - 2012-12-03 11:34

    The nations that attacked Israel during the 6 day war were soundly defeated - and so the International Law had to be changed quickly to provide for the NON-recognition of the right of the victor to the lands conquered. Of course, had the result been different the International Community would immediately have acclaimed the victory and divided the land of Israel between Syria, Egypt and their allies. And Dayan and Meir would have been declared war criminals for daring to defend their country. The hypocrisy of the International Community is simply beyond belief.

      larry.lachman.54 - 2012-12-03 18:50

      Precisely. The anti Israel lobby love to proclaim that European and Russian Jews have no business being in the Middle East, but the Arab Muslims flock to Europe and make it their home. Pure hypocrisy.

  • hengu.willemse - 2012-12-03 19:17

    Israel has as much right to exist than ANY of us do and NO ONE can deny that most basic of all rights. Ban Ki Moon and his United Nations are hippocrates who lend their ears to terrorists and disrespect the innocent who died at their hands. They undermine the Israeli state with veiled threats masquerading as diplomacy. It is obvious this anti-Israel drive in the UN has only become a platform for failed states and certain countries suffering from megalomania to settle old scores with the United States.

  • igshaan.amlay - 2012-12-03 20:29

    It is sad to read that everyone commenting on this issue is either insulting or degrading each other. Instead of finding solutions we are fighting amongst ourselves making racist comments, etc. Have we not learnt from our past? When i grew up i hated the apartheid government for causing segregation amongst all humans irrespective of race or religion within our country. I sacrificed my youth to make a change so that we could all live in harmony. Today, i am living in the best democracy this world have ever seen, i dont treat any person different from the other. I embrace and respect every other religion like my own. We have made a change and proof that anything is possible. If we could find common ground why cant we help them to achieve it too. Lets teach them dialogue, lets teach them peace, lets start debating to find a solution. Stop insulting each other. Lets make PEACE not WAR!

      dmisraelite - 2012-12-13 13:33

      Finding Balance like you suggesting is the real secret to creating peace. Well Said!

  • hellodanie - 2012-12-03 22:17

    Perhaps its time for the US to really get firm with Israel. They just keep un stirring up emotions in the Middle East for their own selfish agenda. What the hell are they thinking here? They are like a little boy throwing stones at the neighbours (actually much worse) and Big Brother must just try and keep the peace. No - its time they get a good hiding.

  • annie.israel.50 - 2012-12-05 15:01

    I wish everybody would leave Israel alone - they are allowed to do what they want - THEY HAVE SUFFERED SO MUCH FOR MANY YEARS - The terrorists Hamas will not leave Israel

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