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Israel takes over broadcasts on Hamas TV

2012-11-19 12:03

Gaza City - The Israeli army on Monday took over programming at a Gaza-based Hamas television station "to broadcast warnings", as deadly violence between the sides entered its sixth day.

Al-Aqsa television, the official station of Gaza's Hamas rulers, said in a statement the Israeli army "is interfering with Al-Aqsa TV", with the picture going on and off for several hours and sometimes appearing scrambled.

"We took over the Hamas television to broadcast warnings," a military spokesperson said, indicating the takeover would probably last for a number of hours.

But AFP correspondents in Gaza said they could see no warning being sent out by the army.

On Sunday, the army took over Hamas radio broadcasts in Gaza for several hours.

Also on Sunday, at least eight journalists were injured when Israeli jets bombarded two media buildings in Gaza City, with the military saying it had hit Hamas communications sites.

A statement from the Israeli army after the attack called on "international journalists... to stay clear of Hamas's bases and facilities, which serve them in their activity against the citizens of Israel".

Since violence erupted on Wednesday, 90 Palestinians have been killed in Israeli strikes on Gaza. Over 500 rockets hit Israel, resulting in three deaths.

Comments
  • Mike - 2012-11-19 12:13

    Bloody hell!! Israel should stop trying to rule the world, and just shut up and stop killing woman and children.

      vaughan.lund - 2012-11-19 12:30

      Huh

      repline.rasbanda - 2012-11-19 12:58

      Lol @Mike. You are so baised to the information that you process, it's not even funny!

      albert.m.burger - 2012-11-19 13:00

      Screw you israel!!! Now i am gonna miss the next episode of "Real house wives of Hagg el ghaa hgaabib" and tonites season finale of "Who Wants to be the Millionth Martyr"!!!

      drake.murdoch.5 - 2012-11-19 13:02

      Ladies & gentlemen please fasten your seatbelts; we've officially left the realm of intellect and consciousness.

      gianni.blayse - 2012-11-19 13:02

      israel is mostly a secular country, please explain to me how its a jewish homeland, besides to fundamentalist psycho american jews who think its their rightful home. most israelis, at least the ones with any sense cant stand diaspora jews thinking its their homeland. zionism is outdated and now has become oppressive. Jews should know plenty about what oppression is, yet they turn around and do it to other groups of people .wake up, youre on the side of the bullys with the big guns and the big money. i support the underdog. in fact any idiot that supports the rich over the disenfranchised does not have the sense to see further than the front of their nose

      mark.russell.7370013 - 2012-11-19 13:04

      Israel is trying to stop the people who are killing their women and children. They warned civilians to stay away from Hamas bases before the strikes occurred. What military warns people before an attack if their objective is to kill innocent people? Wake up Mike. Israel are not trying to rule the world, just look after the many faiths and people in their territory.

      tommy.jones.754918 - 2012-11-19 13:05

      "i support the underdog". So it doesn't matter who is right/wrong, as long as you can support the underdog. Despite, looking within the regional context, you must actually support Israel then.

      gianni.blayse - 2012-11-19 13:20

      israel is def not the underdog anywhere in the world anymore. they have the strongest army and arsenal of weaponry in the world outside of america, as well as america's support. please explain to me how poor israel are the victims and the underdogs. I support the underdog becuase in an economic concept you are talking about empowered materially rich and powerful entities versus third world impoverished people with some pathetic rockets that never do any real damage. we are talking about 3 casualties versus over 70 on the palestinian side. use your brain

      jon.jones.90663894 - 2012-11-19 13:38

      Gianna , In one post you tell us you spent a year in Israel. In another post you write ' please explain to me how its a jewish homeland,'. Sorry dude but that line is the incriminating bit that busts you. If you spent just 10 minutes in Israel you would be able to answer your own question.

      gianni.blayse - 2012-11-19 13:52

      jon jones - do you know what secular means? isreal is a non-religous state. people may be jewish but they are as far from religioius jewish as you can get. i did spend a year there and clearly you did not. why must you comment and try and be clever when you are ignorant. i really dont understand that

      michael.taylorw - 2012-11-19 13:57

      Nope, gianni.blayse, you are dumb, that is obvious...

      jon.jones.90663894 - 2012-11-19 14:50

      gianni -- sorry dude you incriminated yourself. You said that you spent a year in Israel. Would you like me to find the post for you ?. Liar. Like I said if you spent 10 minutes in Israel you would be able to answer the question for yourself. I am not trying to be clever. Just pointing out that you are not even a very clever liar. That's all. When you indulge in Walter Mitty type fabrications in order to expound and embellish your propaganda try to remember ALL of the things that you have posted. Because that is the difficult thing about lying. You always have to keep track of them. I mean have you even got a passport ?. There should be some form of IQ test in the anti-Israel agit-prop department. That might help your cause.

      wackidmaledu - 2012-11-19 15:29

      WTF??do you hve a tv?

      watchman.smith - 2012-11-19 18:13

      Mike you anti semite. The very reason your country Great Britain ain't so great anymore; they used to say the sun never set on Britain because of the commonwealth, is because of the way Britain treated the Jews getting back to their homeland and their God given country at the end of the second world war.

  • derek.bredenkamp.3 - 2012-11-19 12:21

    Warning..our president needs a show of strength to be re elected, so prepare to die for a just cause.

      tommy.jones.754918 - 2012-11-19 12:48

      What do you mean?

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-11-19 14:54

      Did Netanyahu rain the missiles down on Israel?

      Desilusionada - 2012-11-19 15:55

      Are you talking about Israel? You also one of the howl-chorus realists and clear thinking pro-Palestinian who wants the world to believe that a mother, wife or daughter will vote vote for a man that sends their father, husband or brother to war? And should we believe that these fathers, mothers et al would vote for a man that wants a war so that the taxes paid can be increased? Want to perhaps re-look at you logic....

  • squeegee.pilot - 2012-11-19 12:21

    500 acts of war crimes were launched against Israel. Each rocket has the potential of falling on a school or...

      gianni.blayse - 2012-11-19 12:58

      if you were a palestinian witthout freedom of movement and bullied by the most advanced army in the world, you might fire off some rockets as well

      tommy.jones.754918 - 2012-11-19 13:01

      without freedom of movement - where, into Israel?

      irene.laskowskadebeer - 2012-11-19 13:03

      dont justify one crime with another..an eye for an eye leaves the world blind. why doesnt israel send in foot soldiers, take the women and children aside and arrest the paramilitaries? they have the military capacity if they wanted to do this in a civilised manner. instead they indiscriminately bomb civilians from the air. Dont you think relatives of those innocent people killed are now more likely than ever to also retaliate violently? and somehow the religious folk think Israel is god's special place, how quaint and deluded you religubots are! there are Jews and Muslims who want peace, Hamas was willing to engage in talks with Israel, netanyahu and the zionists dont care, they are the war mongerers here. worth a watch... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrtuBas3Ipw

      mike.down.5492 - 2012-11-19 13:05

      Some rockets = more than 1200 rockets.

      mark.russell.7370013 - 2012-11-19 13:09

      @gianni.blayse my sister was in Israel last year and what she observed was that all Israelis, of any faith experienced the same rights and freedoms in Israel. When Hamas stop firing on Israel the people of Gaza will experience peace. If they want the freedom that all Israelis experience then they must put down their weapons.

      michael.taylorw - 2012-11-19 13:59

      Thanks gianni.blayse, once again, you prove that your foot in mouth syndrome is incurable.

      gianni.blayse - 2012-11-19 13:59

      your sister sounds like'a bit of a zionist puppet (no offense )who cannot think for herself, as many jews who go there from around the world are heavily brainwashed into thinking israel is their homeland and they are the preyed upon vicitms of those mean and dirty arabs. its simply not true, israel is a racist regime who bullies palestinans and uses their racist ideology to justify their military brutality. sound familiar? once again i have no problem with the state of israel besides the occupied territories, and the violence and bullying perpetrated upon palestinians, as well as the african immigrants who are being rounded into çamps

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-11-19 14:55

      Israel was created in 1948 from 52% of the land formerly occupied by the Jewish and Palestinian people, and Palestine 43%. Most of the Israeli territory was the Negev Desert. Jerusalem fell into neither territory. Palestinians with their unelected, self-serving neighbors declared war on Israel the very next day. In the 1960's they even invaded Israel twice. Full military invasions. The result: Israel survived and pushed them back, gaining territory in the process. This is the origin of what you wrongly call "stealing land". There have been almost daily attacks by Palestinians, incited by their self-serving unelected backers. Palestinians even teach their children at Kindergarten to attack Israel, rather than be peaceful. Children. Kindergarten. From day one, and even today it's wage war on Israel. Israel defends herself. Yes sometimes going too far, which is unacceptable, but self-defense nonetheless. All that needs to happen is for Palestinians to choose peace side by side with Israel. This is more likely going forward now because the unelected dictators are being removed from power by their people, one by one. They will no longer use the Palestinians for their own internal political ploys.

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-11-19 15:17

      Two groups of people resented and opposed the creation of an Israeli homeland for the Jewish people after the horrors of World War II, notwithstanding that the amount of land was a tiny, minuscule slither relative to their vast lands, and Jewish people had inhabited that land for millennia. Guess which groups that was, and is. Violent Muslims and White Supremacists.

      Desilusionada - 2012-11-19 16:05

      @Mammalian And these paramilitaries will be standing to one side while this is happening. All dressed in camouflage dress? And the women will do nothing, except attack the soldiers who WILL shoot to protect themselves. So that another misguided can claim and scream about how inhuman Israelis are? And after the arrest they do what? Take them where? And then the rockets start again because these poor innocents are now in a camp or jail? People way more logical have already thought these things through. Go back 2 days and search N24. Specific report on the rejection by Hamas for peace talks. Maybe, just maybe, the message has to be delivered with a tad more persuasion, because it appears as if Hamas cannot hear. Stop the rockets....

      alan.george.5815 - 2012-11-19 21:15

      wat about the israeli drones and f16s? wat about the the more than 25 chidren that have been killed compared to just 3 israeli deaths? when israel comes and destroys your home then we will see how u react? HOPE UR DISEASED MIND OPEN UP

      Desilusionada - 2012-11-19 22:17

      @alan.george.5815 So this is a balancing thing. So may killed one side is equal to so many the other side? Perhaps you should consider the amount of rockets fired vs. the amount of attacks by Israel. The difference is that Israel did not miss. But the intent by Hamas is exactly the same......

  • peanutcluster - 2012-11-19 13:04

    Israel killed 90 Palestinians including women and children with sophisticated weaponry for 3 Israelis killed by home made rockets from Gaza! There's something innately sick in this equation!

      mike.down.5492 - 2012-11-19 13:26

      If you look at how organised Israel is you will understand that equation, the towns in south Israel have shelters everywhere, people plan their trips so that they are close to protection as they have less than one minute after the sirens go off to take shelter. Hamas on the other hand have never built shelters for their people and that's why Israel warns civilians before attacks and that is why Palestinians are killed. Have Hamas ever warned Israeli citizens of proposed launches ? All their rockets are exclusively aimed at civilian areas so excellent preparation and protection of their citizens reduces the death toll.

      peanutcluster - 2012-11-19 13:45

      Daniel - are you for real? First of all Gaza is an open air prison, the world's biggest concentration camp! The IDF killed 30 times more Palestinians because they think nothing of Palestinian life like Hitler thought nothing of Jews! Same thing, different day!

      mike.down.5492 - 2012-11-19 13:55

      Peanut cluster I read the news and I'm sure all the big cities of Europe which were densely populated during WW11 had shelters from London to Berlin, this subject has come up in the past and the same criticisms were leveled at Hamas, they don't care at all about the safety of their citizens.

      tommy.jones.754918 - 2012-11-19 14:01

      Oh I just love it when they try and bring: 1) Hitler into the picture. Forgetting that he Arab countries were Hitlers biggest supporters, or 2) Mandela (or apartheid), to try and either make one feel guilty or try to generate sympathy. It's so pathetic.

      peanutcluster - 2012-11-19 14:09

      Daniel - if the cities of Europe were as organised as you say, how come 6 million Jews were killed? Please Daniel, you talking through your neck as my grade 7 math teacher used to say! The IDF is carrying out orders to kill because they think nothing of Palestinian life - like Hitler thought nothing of Jews! Same thing, different day!

      mike.down.5492 - 2012-11-19 14:17

      peanutcluster you must be totally ignorant and probably never read about the second world war. Jews were not killed during bombing raids and that's all I'm prepared to say the rest you can look up and you may but I doubt it, recognise names like Auschwitz, Treblinka, Sorbibor, Dachau. Look it up and don't post shyte please.

      peanutcluster - 2012-11-19 14:25

      Tommy - please don't make stuff up! Arabs, Jews and Christians lived in harmony for centuries in the muslim world until European settlers arrived in Palestine with colonial ambitions. Now 30 Palestinian people are being killed for every one Jew - this reeks of genocide!

      tommy.jones.754918 - 2012-11-19 14:46

      Tell me exactly what I "made up", so I can correct it and apologize.

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-11-19 14:55

      There is. Here's why. Israel was created in 1948 from 52% of the land formerly occupied by the Jewish and Palestinian people, and Palestine 43%. Most of the Israeli territory was the Negev Desert. Jerusalem fell into neither territory. Palestinians with their unelected, self-serving neighbors declared war on Israel the very next day. In the 1960's they even invaded Israel twice. Full military invasions. The result: Israel survived and pushed them back, gaining territory in the process. This is the origin of what you wrongly call "stealing land". There have been almost daily attacks by Palestinians, incited by their self-serving unelected backers. Palestinians even teach their children at Kindergarten to attack Israel, rather than be peaceful. Children. Kindergarten. From day one, and even today it's wage war on Israel. Israel defends herself. Yes sometimes going too far, which is unacceptable, but self-defense nonetheless. All that needs to happen is for Palestinians to choose peace side by side with Israel. This is more likely going forward now because the unelected dictators are being removed from power by their people, one by one. They will no longer use the Palestinians for their own internal political ploys.

      peanutcluster - 2012-11-19 14:58

      Tommy - please present the facts that substantiate your comment that - "Arab countries were Hitlers biggest supporters".

      moses.mabhida.52 - 2012-11-19 15:03

      "They think nothing of Palestinian life". you mean Hamas!

      tommy.jones.754918 - 2012-11-19 15:07

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relations_between_Nazi_Germany_and_the_Arab_world

      mike.down.5492 - 2012-11-19 15:09

      Little bit of history you weren't taught about peanutcluster...look up the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem el-Husseneini and his relationship with Hitler, their are literally hundreds of articles....which you grade 7 teacher didn't tell you about. Maybe if you had enjoyed a secular education you wouldn't be posting so much shyte. by the way are you finished with grade seven?

      mike.down.5492 - 2012-11-19 15:10

      Correction el-Husseini

      peanutcluster - 2012-11-19 15:14

      Lame Tommy - LAME!! Pathetic! One Arab country Iraq and a few individuals? You should be ashamed of yourself to present such nonsense as proof that "Arab countries were Hitlers biggest supporters". The Axis Powers lead by Germany comprised of Italy and Japan as the biggest supporters. As a matter of interest, the USA stayed out of the war, some analysts say because they wanted to see which way the wind would blow! What about the Catholic church and it's role? You are such a wanker Tommy, shame on you!. We're done. Go take your arab bashing islamophobic bs elsewhere!

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-11-19 15:17

      Two groups of people resented and opposed the creation of an Israeli homeland for the Jewish people after the horrors of World War II, notwithstanding that the amount of land was a tiny, minuscule slither relative to their vast lands, and Jewish people had inhabited that land for millennia. Guess which groups that was, and is. Violent Muslims and White Supremacists.

      tommy.jones.754918 - 2012-11-19 15:26

      I expected nothing less from you, but I understand truth hurts, and it hurts bad. Also, look up the Vichy French force and you will notice Syria and Lebanese soldiers fought on the side of Hitler.

      Desilusionada - 2012-11-19 16:14

      Gaza is an open air prison camp?? The world biggest concentration camp? Perhaps you should look at Google Earth again. A prison camp supplied by the same people at the same time as these people are attacking them? With a nice fence to keep Israelis out. Open beaches and a nice open border with Egypt? Where the open air inmates can walk right out to any other country of their choice? OPEN AIR Prison camp with open air rocket launching sites? So why is it that we keep on seeing dust, bricks and cement flying every time a rocket launch site is taken out? Or are the rockets housed in those nice apartment buildings with special swimming pools for the rockets? As seen on TV and the Internet. Want to change your rhetoric?.....

      patsy.smith.125 - 2012-11-19 18:25

      Perhaps you should rename yourself 'Peanutbrain'.

      alan.george.5815 - 2012-11-19 21:18

      one of the very few who talk sense well done and for all you pro Israeli supporters please visit this link and then tell me how u feel if it were your little babes http://www.ciibroadcasting.com/2012/11/19/palestinian-death-toll-climbs-to-82-children-massacred-warning-graphic-images/

      larry.lachman.54 - 2012-11-19 21:53

      Hamas as good as killed their own. They love this as it gains them sympathy and puts pressure on Israel. Its called PERFIDY and is a despicable war crime. Hamas throws its own child into the lions den and then blames the lion for killing itst child. How stupid is that. They have even been there before so they know exactly what response and results they will get from Israel.

      Desilusionada - 2012-11-19 22:24

      @alan.george.5815 I'd feel exactly the same if those were Israeli kids killed by rockets fired by Hamas during school time at school children. Which had not yet happened and not for trying. Those people by the admission of the pro-Palestinian website chose to ignore the warning sent by Israel. Hamas chose to keep on firing rockets in spite of being warned against it. Simple message. Hamas hard of hearing. Stop the rockets.....

  • adrianziller - 2012-11-19 13:24

    Dude - so when israel bombs hamas bases that are attacking them - they first send out warnings informing people they are going to do it, and to please stay away. then, these people ignore the warnings and get hurt, when israel is simply defending itself, all of a sardine - Israel is the bad guy? Dudes? Really? Ignorant.

      gianni.blayse - 2012-11-19 13:27

      adrian look above to see what peanut cluster says. its a bit unbalanced dont you think?

      tommy.jones.754918 - 2012-11-19 13:43

      gianni, look above to see what DanielDennett says. It is the truth don't you think?

      irene.buthelezi.1 - 2012-11-19 13:48

      @gianni ~ Tell the miniature Poodles to stop causing trouble with the Alsation then!

      gianni.blayse - 2012-11-19 13:55

      no its not the truth.look above again to peanut cluster - open air prison. enough said. history repeating itself. no one is calling israel the same as nazis, but the comparison has more and more weight in reality as time passes. israel locking up all its immigrants in camps and not allowing gazans to leave gaza, etc

      michael.taylorw - 2012-11-19 14:04

      gianni.blayse, i am beginning to think that the problem is worse than I thought. You are not just dumb. You need a brain to dumb. You suffer from something much more terrifying than that, blatant, irreversible, ignorance, with a dash of refusal to read up, study up, or educate yourself. That my friend, takes the cake as far as oxygen thieves go... and one isn SA is one to many, but you my friend are in a long queue of self denial to enter into "head up ass land." Good luck fella. (You must be real fun fun at a party, do you notice most times they are laughing at you, not with you?)

      tommy.jones.754918 - 2012-11-19 14:11

      michael, don't be nasty. Didn't your mom tell you never to make fun of reta...mentally challenged people.

  • thunder.clap.587 - 2012-11-19 14:07

    Let them play,its their time

  • zain.beg.9 - 2012-11-19 14:13

    To all the people that are supporting Isreal in their war crimes watch this and then comment..... Watch "Israel and Hamas Gaza Strikes: The 'Collateral Damage' (Disturbing Video)" on YouTube - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEEkEUcb2Y4&feature=youtube_gdata_player

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-11-19 14:56

      Two groups of people resented and opposed the creation of an Israeli homeland for the Jewish people after the horrors of World War II, notwithstanding that the amount of land was a tiny, minuscule slither relative to their vast lands, and Jewish people had inhabited that land for millennia. Guess which groups that was, and is. Violent Muslims and White Supremacists.

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-11-19 14:56

      Israel was created in 1948 from 52% of the land formerly occupied by the Jewish and Palestinian people, and Palestine 43%. Most of the Israeli territory was the Negev Desert. Jerusalem fell into neither territory. Palestinians with their unelected, self-serving neighbors declared war on Israel the very next day. In the 1960's they even invaded Israel twice. Full military invasions. The result: Israel survived and pushed them back, gaining territory in the process. This is the origin of what you wrongly call "stealing land". There have been almost daily attacks by Palestinians, incited by their self-serving unelected backers. Palestinians even teach their children at Kindergarten to attack Israel, rather than be peaceful. Children. Kindergarten. From day one, and even today it's wage war on Israel. Israel defends herself. Yes sometimes going too far, which is unacceptable, but self-defense nonetheless. All that needs to happen is for Palestinians to choose peace side by side with Israel. This is more likely going forward now because the unelected dictators are being removed from power by their people, one by one. They will no longer use the Palestinians for their own internal political ploys.

      moses.mabhida.52 - 2012-11-19 15:12

      very disturbing - but all the blood is on Hamas's hands not Israel. Israeli self defense is only a crime to Islamoracists

      Desilusionada - 2012-11-19 16:18

      So you have now seen on widescreen in Technicolour with Dolby sound what happens if you do not listen. Stop the rockets........

  • mark.russell.7370013 - 2012-11-19 14:15

    Gaza is tun by Hamas, not Israel. Gaza has a border with Egypt who is also a Muslim lead country, how on earth can anyone equate Gaza to an Israeli run concentration camp or prison? The backdoor to Cairo is always open. Israel protects its borders from an organisation that exists to see it destroyed and the world cries apartheid state. Gaza under Israeli rule as part of Israel would be a well governed and free area with citizens enjoying their rights. Hamas has caused Gaza to become what it is.

  • mark.russell.7370013 - 2012-11-19 14:17

    Collateral damage seems acceptable to Hamas otherwise they would not setup their operations amongst civilians. Israel has tried to limit collateral damage by warning the people of Gaza before the airstrikes.

      moses.mabhida.52 - 2012-11-19 15:13

      Hamas has zero value for life.

      alan.george.5815 - 2012-11-19 21:21

      not like they have a choice to set up BEACAUSE THEY ARE BESIEGED FOOl Just to inform you zionists hate u christians too, they will destroy your churches in Jeruslam also

      larry.lachman.54 - 2012-11-19 21:59

      hamas practice PERFIDY, which is the intentional engineering of the deaths of their own children, in order to gain sympathy for Palestiniand and opposition to Israel defending itself. Perfidy is a despicable war crime, likened to throwing ones own child into the lions den and then blame the lion for killing the child.

  • aaron.gumede.7 - 2012-11-19 14:20

    isreal is trying to kill the messenger. truth will still prevail no matter what the zionist racist do.

      Desilusionada - 2012-11-19 16:19

      And the message is?

      tommy.jones.754918 - 2012-11-19 16:34

      More important, what is the truth?

  • gavigef - 2012-11-19 14:39

    The hamas charter itself calls for " the obliteration of Israel and all it's inhabitants". It's leaders have been quoted as saying "we will drive the Jews into the sea" , and "we will not leave an Israeli man, woman, or child alive". Israel on the other hand, has dropped thousands of pamphlets into Gaza warning them of the incoming missile strikes, and tries to minimize human casualty. When Ahlam Tamimi, a Palestinian terrorist, was told that she was responsible for the deaths of 8 children and not 3 as she had thought, she smiled broadly. These are people who have absolutely no respect for life, and this is who Israel is fighting. Please, before you comment, read up on what the Palestinians have done to Israelis.

      mike.down.5492 - 2012-11-19 14:45

      That's why Hammas cannot enter into a peace treaty with Israel because of sec 38 of their charter.... only a truce so the short and long term prospects are zero, they cannot act contrary to their charter unless they change it.

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-11-19 20:46

      The ANC acts against its Freedom Charter all the time. Charters are created from the thinking of the particular group of people. Hamas just has to change its thinking, and its choices.

  • ModernMetaphysicist - 2012-11-19 14:51

    Zionist - is a form of nationalism of Jews and Jewish culture that supports a Jewish nation state in territory defined as the Land of Israel. Hamas - Islamic Resistance Movement") is the Palestinian Sunni Islamic or Islamist[5] political party[neutrality is disputed] that governs the Gaza Strip. Hamas has a military wing, the Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades. Fata? - is a major Palestinian political party and the largest faction of the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO), a multi-party confederation. Though it is on the left wing of Palestinian politics, its character is primarily nationalist rather than social democratic. ( HAMAS gave fatah an a$$ whiping, WHY???) The Hamas Charter (or Covenant), issued in 1988 - The Charter identified Hamas as the Muslim Brotherhood in Palestine and declares its members to be Muslims who "fear God and raise the banner of Jihad in the face of the oppressors." The charter states that "our struggle against the Jews is very great and very serious" and calls for the eventual creation of an Islamic state in Palestine, in place of Israel and the Palestinian Territories,[1] and the obliteration or dissolution of Israel The Hamas Article 11 Palestine is sacred(waqf) for all Muslims for all time, and it cannot be relinquished by anyone. Article 13 There is no negotiated settlement possible. Jihad is the only answer Article 32 Hamas condemns as co-plotters the “imperialistic powers” .[21] References The Protocols of the Elders of Zion

      mike.down.5492 - 2012-11-19 14:56

      And there you have it, it's no secret.

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-11-19 14:57

      Precisely.

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-11-19 14:58

      Israel was created in 1948 from 52% of the land formerly occupied by the Jewish and Palestinian people, and Palestine 43%. Most of the Israeli territory was the Negev Desert. Jerusalem fell into neither territory. Palestinians with their unelected, self-serving neighbors declared war on Israel the very next day. In the 1960's they even invaded Israel twice. Full military invasions. The result: Israel survived and pushed them back, gaining territory in the process. This is the origin of what you wrongly call "stealing land". There have been almost daily attacks by Palestinians, incited by their self-serving unelected backers. Palestinians even teach their children at Kindergarten to attack Israel, rather than be peaceful. Children. Kindergarten. From day one, and even today it's wage war on Israel. Israel defends herself. Yes sometimes going too far, which is unacceptable, but self-defense nonetheless. All that needs to happen is for Palestinians to choose peace side by side with Israel. This is more likely going forward now because the unelected dictators are being removed from power by their people, one by one. They will no longer use the Palestinians for their own internal political ploys.

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-11-19 14:58

      Two groups of people resented and opposed the creation of an Israeli homeland for the Jewish people after the horrors of World War II, notwithstanding that the amount of land was a tiny, minuscule slither relative to their vast lands, and Jewish people had inhabited that land for millennia. Guess which groups that was, and is. Violent Muslims and White Supremacists.

      larry.lachman.54 - 2012-11-19 22:02

      A religious injunction to kill Jews as an expression of holy worship. Such an ideology deserves only one kind of response, and they are currently getting it nicely.

  • ModernMetaphysicist - 2012-11-19 14:55

    CONTINUE. Fatah Constitution - Article (17) Armed public revolution is the inevitable method to liberating Palestine. Article (18) Entire dependence on the Palestinian people which is the pedestal forefront and on the Arab Nation as a partner in the fight, and realising actual interaction between the Arab Nation and the Palestinian people by involving the Arab people in the fight through a united Arab front. Article (19) Armed struggle is a strategy and not a tactic, and the Palestinian Arab People's armed revolution is a decisive factor in the liberation fight and in uprooting the Zionist existence, and this struggle will not cease unless the Zionist state is demolished and Palestine is completely liberated. Article (20) Achieving mutual understanding with all the national forces participating in the armed struggle to attain the national unity. Article (21) Revealing the revolutionary nature of the Palestinian identity at the international level, and this does not contradict the everlasting unity between the Arab Nation and the Palestinian people.

  • ModernMetaphysicist - 2012-11-19 14:56

    Continue 3. Article (22) Opposing any political solution offered as an alternative to demolishing the Zionist occupation in Palestine, as well as any project intended to liquidate the Palestinian case or impose any international mandate on its people. Article (23) Maintaining relations with Arab countries with the objective of developing the positive aspects in their attitudes with the proviso that the armed struggle is not negatively affected. Article (24) Maintaining relations with all liberal forces supporting our just struggle in order to resist together Zionism and imperialism. Article (25) Convincing concerned countries in the world to prevent Jewish immigration to Palestine as a method of solving the problem. Article (26) Avoiding attempts to exploit the Palestinian case in any Arab or international problems and considering the case above all contentions. Article (27) "FATEH" does not interfere with local Arab affairs and hence, does not tolerate such interference or obstructing its struggle by any party.

  • ModernMetaphysicist - 2012-11-19 15:02

    You people must understand, it is Jews vs Muslims, pretty much in a nut shell, the price, Israel. Get it. There is alot to lose and alot to gain, these two nations and ethnic groups are not playing games, they will bomb each other till something gives. So is you read up on your history you will underdand why the Muslims say the Jews don't belong in Israel, and if you read history you will understand that the Jews are not going anywhere, if a proper peace treaty can't be put in place with a rational and fair compromise, it will be a fight till the death. What worries me is i don't think Hamas will be happy with compromise, i think they looking at removing the Jews from Israel, and that is why the Jews is bringing the heat at any cost...

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-11-19 15:20

      I think you're on the right track. Your last sentence is key. All that needs to happen is for the Palestinians to change that decision. This is more likely going forward with the removal of the unelected dictators in the region who have been using the Palestinians for their own political purposes and presenting Israel as a false enemy. They've been inciting and funding the Palestinians, celebrating that decision.

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-11-19 15:22

      The energy being flowed to that decision has to be curtailed, which it is. little by little. Once Assad is gone, and the Iranian people have their government back, the reality will change.

      ModernMetaphysicist - 2012-11-19 15:47

      apologies, Islam (Arab) not Muslim, brain is over worked today. Jewish vs Palestinians

  • helenjeanette - 2012-11-19 15:24

    Sick of all the Palestinian propaganda. Don't feel sorry for them one bit. Unfortunately the so called "innocents" will always get caught in the cross fire, but do they seriously expect Israel to just sit back. I don't think so!!!

      alan.george.5815 - 2012-11-19 21:27

      wen a thief comes into your home and kills your family too the ill also say "Don't feel sorry for them one bit" wake up women which world u living in

      larry.lachman.54 - 2012-11-19 22:04

      Living in the real world. You are living in your Islamic hell.

  • mohammed.surtee - 2012-11-19 15:50

    For those of you who didnt know please listen to this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sk9C_5CICiU

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-11-19 16:05

      He's misinformed, like you.

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-11-19 16:05

      Israel was created in 1948 from 52% of the land formerly occupied by the Jewish and Palestinian people, and Palestine 43%. Most of the Israeli territory was the Negev Desert. Jerusalem fell into neither territory. Palestinians with their unelected, self-serving neighbors declared war on Israel the very next day. In the 1960's they even invaded Israel twice. Full military invasions. The result: Israel survived and pushed them back, gaining territory in the process. This is the origin of what you wrongly call "stealing land". There have been almost daily attacks by Palestinians, incited by their self-serving unelected backers. Palestinians even teach their children at Kindergarten to attack Israel, rather than be peaceful. Children. Kindergarten. From day one, and even today it's wage war on Israel. Israel defends herself. Yes sometimes going too far, which is unacceptable, but self-defense nonetheless. All that needs to happen is for Palestinians to choose peace side by side with Israel. This is more likely going forward now because the unelected dictators are being removed from power by their people, one by one. They will no longer use the Palestinians for their own internal political ploys.

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-11-19 16:05

      Two groups of people resented and opposed the creation of an Israeli homeland for the Jewish people after the horrors of World War II, notwithstanding that the amount of land was a tiny, minuscule slither relative to their vast lands, and Jewish people had inhabited that land for millennia. Guess which groups that was, and is. Racist Muslims and White Supremacists.

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-11-19 16:06

      Two groups of people resented and opposed the creation of an Israeli homeland for the Jewish people after the horrors of World War II, notwithstanding that the amount of land was a tiny, minuscule slither relative to their vast lands, AND JEWISH PEOPLE HAD INHABITED THAT LAND FOR MILLENIA. Guess which groups that was, and is. Racist Muslims and White Supremacists.

      doberman.love.1 - 2012-11-19 16:12

      mmm.. lets see... no what you going to feed us more lies - i have hear it all... take you video to Aljazeera

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-11-19 16:32

      Again, he's misinformed and uneducated about actual history, like you.

  • bilo.ebi - 2012-11-19 16:38

    Most of the modern Jews are descended from converts to Judaism(especially the European Jews), thus they share a common ancestry with the Nazis and have no real relationship with Jacob/Israel . One only has to look at their actions to see that the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-11-19 17:28

      You're talking absolute nonsense. Educate yourself man, not from the racist websites you frequent.

      larry.lachman.54 - 2012-11-19 22:06

      You are what you are born to be. If you were born a Muslim from a camels bum then you will still be a Muslim.

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