Israeli air strikes kill 12 in Gaza

2012-03-10 09:25

Gaza City - Twelve Palestinians, most of them fighters, were killed and at least 20 wounded in a series of Israeli air strikes on the Gaza Strip, Palestinian medics said early on Saturday.

The Israeli raids came as Palestinians fired dozens of rockets and mortar rounds into southern Israel starting on Friday morning, injuring four people, one seriously, Israeli military sources said.

One Israeli strike, on a car travelling in the Tel El-Hawa neighbourhood west of Gaza City, killed the head of the militant Popular Resistance Committees, Zohair al-Qaisi, and fellow member Mahmud Hanani, the group said.

The PRC threatened to retaliate for Qaisi's death, and around 40 rockets and shells were subsequently fired on southern Israel.

‘Negative environment’

The Al Quds Brigades, the military arm of Islamic Jihad, said later that strikes had killed 10 of its members.

The PRC and the Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades, an armed offshoot of Palestinian president Mahmud Abbas's Fatah movement, issued statements claiming to have fired rockets into Israel on Friday.

The official Palestinian WAFA news agency quoted a statement by the Fatah-dominated Palestinian Authority condemning the Israeli retaliation, saying it had created a "negative environment" that would "escalate the circle of violence in the region".

The Israeli military said Qaisi "was among the leaders who planned, funded and directed" a deadly cross-border attack into southern Israel from Egypt's Sinai last August.

In that incident, gunmen carried out a coordinated series of shooting ambushes on buses and cars on Route 12, which runs along the Egyptian border 20km north of the Red Sea resort of Eilat.

The shootings took place over several hours, leaving eight dead and more than 25 wounded.

The military statement said Qaisi was also involved in a 2008 attack on a terminal for pumping fuel from Israel into the Gaza Strip, in which two Israeli civilians were killed.

The statement added that both the dead men were "responsible for planning a combined terror attack that was to take place via Sinai in the coming days".

Vengeance pledged

It said that other strikes were aimed at men about to fire rockets into Israel.

Hamas, which rules the Gaza Strip, has maintained a tacit truce with Israel, but other armed Palestinian groups regularly fire rockets and mortars across the border, which can spark air strikes in response.

The relatively small Popular Resistance Committees is one of the most active, and it pledged to avenge its men's deaths.

"We are not committed to the truce; we will respond very strongly to this (Israeli) crime," Abu Ataya, a spokesperson for the PRC's military wing, the Al-Nasser Salahadin Brigades, told AFP.

‘International community responsible’

Hamas's military wing, the Ezzedine al-Qassam Brigades, also warned of retribution.

"Al-Qassam Brigades mourns the martyr leader Zohair Qaisi and martyr Mahmud Hanani and confirms that their blood will not be wasted, the enemy's crime will be a curse on him," it said in a statement.

Its political leaders were more restrained.

"The recent Zionist escalation is an unjustified crime, it comes as a part of the destabilisation of a stable security situation in the Gaza Strip" the Hamas-run Gaza government's interior ministry said in a statement.

"We hold the international community fully responsible for the attacks."

Before Friday's air strikes, Israeli army radio quoted what it called "senior military sources" as saying the army "does not intend to allow the firing to continue."

  • Sharon - 2012-03-10 09:37

    when these clowns fire rockets into israel its ok but when israel retaliates its a crime,what a sick bunch of idiots

      Danie - 2012-03-10 10:31

      It should read, 12 killed after Israel defends itself following a Palestinian attack on civilians...

      cameronrh1 - 2012-03-10 10:55

      @Patrick Edwards for your information the term Apartheid refers to the segregation of groups on the basis of ethnicity or race, and the denial of basic civil rights to the segregated group. There is no such segregation in Israel. Arabs are granted full civil rights under Israeli law, which forbids discrimination on the basis of race, creed, or sex. Arabs take part fully in Israeli society and government. Arab citizens of Israel vote in national elections have representatives in the Israeli Parliament, sit on the Israeli courts and on the Israeli Supreme Court benches, and serve as tenured professors teaching in Israeli colleges and universities. The Arab citizens of Israel have more rights, and enjoy more freedom, education, and economic opportunity than the Arabs of any Arab state. The Arabs in Gaza and West Bank are run two seperate terrorist entities...

      Johan Grobbelaar - 2012-03-10 11:40

      @Patrick. Sux 2 be u. Lol. Just again another sheep that knows nothing and repeats without thinking. Wahahahaha. A comeback would be nice, but that would mean u have 2 THINK. Haha. Anyways.... OWNED! :D Guess I know who u vote for...

      Bobo - 2012-03-10 11:47

      @ Patric Edwards: "I think it is because many more people than you think support the Palestinian fight for freedom in apartheid ruled Israel. " Dear Patric : I think you meant "Many Marxsist people like you", who uses apartheid as an exuse against a nation. Sorry to burst your bubble but Israel have seen what your kind did to SA this last 20 years.

      Dirk - 2012-03-10 12:48

      Edwards, you clearly have an obsession with apartheid, which clearly, you know absolutely nothing about, and Israel.Before you go any further, can you explain why Aficans from all over the continent tried to gain entry INTO apartheid SA, and why the arabs are doing the same in Israel. Not too many trying to get out, but the opposite. Fact is that they were trying to escape from the conditions currently being created by the ANC regime in SA and that of the arab regimes surrounding Israel. Do you realise that even with apartheid at its height, blacks in SA were more free than more than half of the world at the time and that included those under the yoke of communism and dictatorships in Africa and the Middle East. Keep perspective and break out of your ignorance. Are you a new arrival to Africa or a victim of the regimes failed education policy?

      Dirk - 2012-03-10 14:56

      Patrick- You have ignored and avoided my points and questions. You have either just arrived in SA or is the victim of the ANC regimes education policy, probably with a recently acquired matric in history- a distorted one. I ask again- why did blacks from all over Africa go to such lengths to get INTO SA under apartheid, and likewise the arabs into Israel? Fact is that you dont have an answer, and that alone, should encourage you to think.

      Jaba - 2012-03-10 16:55

      Hamas's religious fundamentalists are just scum that are the largest threat to the Palestinian civilians. Israel has to protect itself, and so another 12 dead in Hamas's route of violence. one day they will realise that Israel only respects peaceful people and kills people that want to kill Israeli citizens. I wish the South African government would use this much force to protect South African citizens! Just careful Israel, cause Hamas loves usinng children as human shields. Hamas knows that dead children make Israel look bad in the propaganada war - so make sure to aim high.

      Larry - 2012-03-10 17:06

      From the looks of things, Patrick Edwards, seems that more people support Israel. But of course, when you are tight with your little group it may seem that you are in the majority. Delusional.

      Michael - 2012-03-10 17:31

      Hey Cameron, thanks for your explanation of apartheid, but you neglected to mention some facts that are indeed analogous to Palestine. One of these is the fact that black people were restricted to certain bounded areas and "Bantustans" and could not reside legally and seek work and other opportunities in "white' areas. While their neighbors enjoyed a perfect lifestyle they were pushed into poverty. This is precisely the situation in which most Palestinians find themselves. It might be fine for the Arabs already living in Israel who indeed have a satisfactory situation. The Palestinans recently tried to be recognised as a nation in the UN, but this was refused largely as a result of the USA/Israel efforts.

      Jaba - 2012-03-10 18:02

      It’s high time the religion of ‘peace’ started acting like one… and I am not just talking about Israel/Palestine conflict. How Israel is ever going to live in peace with such people is beyond me. In 1948 the Arab nations of Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Egypt ordered the Arabs in Israel to leave because a war will start and they will kill all the Jews. “All the Jews” won that war, and the Arabs were left homeless… furthermore; all the Arabs that left (by choice) were never given citizenship anywhere else in their Arab world and used as pawns until today THAT IS THE REAL APARTHEID IN THE MIDDLE EAST Michael! Israel is a democracy, and 20% of the population is Muslim and can vote and live anywhere in Israel. Sad… but their (Arab) misfortune is their own doing… and the ONLY way to peace is by PEACEFUL means not terror… time they learned that! Lastly the Israeli / Palestinian issue is not apartheid - its two nations in a state of war. A war because of the fundamentalism from the failed Palestinian leadership.

      gouws2 - 2012-03-10 18:32

      @cameron- have you ever been to israel? Arabs are treated worse than 3rd class citizens, they don't have a vote in the jewish state, otherwise they will have the majority vote and have the run off the place, they are not even allowed to join the army if they are not Jewish. There is a MASSIVE wall being built around Jerusalem's disputed areas to keep them locked up and SEGREGATED from the rest of the country. p

      Jaba - 2012-03-10 18:59

      gouws2 those are lies. Israel is a democracy. Gaza is Apartheid = no Jews allowed and Christians are treated like criminals by Hamas. I have been to both areas and you have NO clue wgat you are talking about.

      cameronrh1 - 2012-03-10 20:24

      @Michael, if you are referring to Arab "Palestinians" living in the West Bank or Gaza as a form of segregation, you must be seriously confused... They are not Israeli citizens, thus they have no right to live in Israel. If you are referring to Israeli Jews and Arabs who personally choose to live in serperate neighbourhoods due to their own religious and racial views that is their choice, it does not make Israel an Apartheid State, i choose not to live in a township, or in particular (black areas) and vice versa with a lot of black people too, it doesnt make me racist, the same scenario that happens in Israel happens in RSA, if you apply your same logic RSA that would make RSA a Apartheid country as it is now, would it now? @gouws2, If they are not Israeli citizens they have no right to vote in Israel... Same goes for any country. Arabs in the West Bank and Gaza are run by other Government terrorist entities

      Michael - 2012-03-10 23:33

      Cameron what a convoluted bit of illogical nonsense you have put together in reply. You clearly never lived and observed and experienced the aspects of apartheid to which I refer , otherwise you might easily recognize the similarities. Ask Palestinians how easy it is to move in and out of their territory, to be blockaded on all sides including from the Med Sea, to suffer shortages of essential goods, to suffer indignities at border crossings, to carry a "dompass" if you are Palestinian. This is the apartheid imposed by Israel on Palestinians ,not apartheid in Israel itself, where life is grand and equal. You would do well to read former President Jimmy Carter's book on the subject.

      Fred - 2012-03-11 00:32

      Michael and Patrick, as has been mentioned to you many times, you've allowed yourselves to be taken in by the UNELECTED dictators of the Middle East who don't truly care about the Palestinians, and have been abusing them by funneling them arms and inciting them to violence, so they can hold on to power. Ask yourselves this: if these dictators really cared, why have they not given the Palestinians the few neighborhoods they need, literally, from the vast land they have at their disposal? Why? What purpose does the Palestinians endlessly fighting with Israel serve these dictators?

      Fred - 2012-03-11 07:21

      Which Middle East countries? The BRUTAL DISHONEST UNELECTED dictatorships? Those were and still are not modern countries. They're personal fiefdoms run by self-serving, self-enriching despots who use external scapegoats to hold onto power, such as the poor Palestinians. Until the citizens of these countries say no more, we want to be normal, join the real world, which is happening now. When the despots are gone, the Palestinians will have the land they so richly need.

      Breinlekkasie - 2012-03-12 06:46

      It is not about "apartheid ruling Israel". Countries in the Middle-East made it clear in the 1940's that they wanted to destroy the then newly found Israel state. That attitude has not changed. It is has always been about antisemitism!

      gouws2 - 2012-03-12 14:49

      @cameron, thanx for your useless input, your parents must be really glad your second year of uni is going well!, grow up and get out in the world you ignorant @ss

  • Boer - 2012-03-10 10:01

    If you play with matches don't cry when you get burnt.

  • Garth - 2012-03-10 10:29

    Okay, from what I understand from this garbled piece of reporting is that 10 members of the Al Qud's brigade(women's sewing circle?) of the Islamic Jihad(high school social club?) were killed by Israeli(zionist, imperial war-mongers) air strikes that were launched in retaliation for previous rocket attacks made by the peace-loving Popular Resistance Movement on their citizens. How dare the Israelis retaliate! It is easy to read from the titles affixed to the various movements that they are pacifist social groups with the betterment of life for all as their aim. "We hold the international community fully responsible for the attacks." Yes, I fully agree. Poor, peace-loving Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade. Waiting for condemnation from all the usual anti-west, anti-israel jihadists: fido, riaad, merde, etc. Don't you just love this statement: `. . .condemning the Israeli retaliation, saying it had created a "negative environment" that would "escalate the circle of violence in the region."' fidel will probably say that it is `western, imperialist translation of peace-loving brown man's statement'.

      cameronrh1 - 2012-03-10 13:49

      @Patrick Edwards - You need to get a grip of the truth, cause there happens to be a loose connection in that brain of yours.

      Tabib - 2012-03-10 22:16

      Why would a group of people running around with basic weaponry want to fight with a country with the most formiddable airforce in the world? Maybe self defence is a term afforded by he who has access to the microphone.

      Fred - 2012-03-11 00:52

      Patrick, you're still blinding yourself. You have to look further, deeper.

      Bobo - 2012-03-11 22:09

      @ Patric Edwards: Shooting rockets into civillians makes you a criminal terrorist scum and a murderer...If you support that, then I rest my case. If you hate the Israeli government then you hate them.....There are innocent people across that border but you can`t seem to grasp that.

  • Anneck - 2012-03-10 12:30

    Again another classic example: Rockets are fired into Israel, the media remains silent. Israel retaliates, it's all over the front pages making Israel look like the bad guys.

      Bobby - 2012-03-10 12:57

      That is because these Palestinians can't aim very well, and the rockets have only hit the sand. The Israeli's on the other hand, have learned to aim, and their retaliation is spot-on. No one reports a rocket that hits the sand, especially when it happens daily.

      goyougoodthing - 2012-03-10 13:11

      Patrick they won't listen.

      cameronrh1 - 2012-03-10 13:51

      @Patrick Edwards, goyougoodthing - If you can make a logical conclusion and a statement that is true, then maybe we will listen... Until then go do some research and find out the truth.

      Leon - 2012-03-10 13:53

      patrick THEY WON;T LISTEN GEEE how old are you 3 Go Israel when you hit them hit them hard

      goyougoodthing - 2012-03-10 14:28

      Hello Leon, full of insults for the wrong person again today? Where is your big wittle gun.

      goyougoodthing - 2012-03-10 14:31

      Cameron, I've read your profile, you seem to know everything, as 20 year olds always do. Mix it whichever way you want, the state of Israel was stolen from the Palestinians using the Balfour declaration. Written in 1917, it even refers to Palestine by name, so you can't use the excuse it didn't exist. Now there is a war between the occupiers and the occupied. It's a pretty simple story.

      Jaba - 2012-03-10 17:06

      goyougoodthing plz google Hamas, their charter & goals... ie death of Israel & death of all Jews of the Middle East ( btw that includes all 'non-believers' not just Jews) hope you realise that these people are not interested in peace but rather a religious ending of Paradise with a bunch of virgins.

      Jaba - 2012-03-10 17:18

      Patrick Edwards seems to live in a world of his own invention, devoid of 20,000 rockets since 2005, suicide bombs, shooting attacks, kidnappings, and other terrorist attacks. Rather, this fictional world is apparently filled with a peaceful Hamas. While we, too, wish this to be true, it simply is not. To paraphrase the late US Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan: Individuals are entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts.

      Anneck - 2012-03-10 17:26

      @Bobby you should pack up and move to Israel. Tell me what it's like when a Palestinian rocket actually hits you!

      Boaz - 2012-03-10 17:26

      the world has changed in 63 years goyougoodthing while your mind has stood still. In 1948, most land was not private and the land Israel was created on (which included mostly Jewish land purchased, with resulting land deeds) was neither sovereign nor negated the private ownership rights of people. In 2011, the land "Palestine" would be created on what is disputed land, that which still has no set ownership since 1948, when Jordan illegally annexed it. Most private land was ethnically cleansed of its Jewish population and stolen which adds a degree of complication. In 1967, the UNR242 declared the land "disputed" (not occupied), and called for a return to a safe border (not 1967, which would be a violation of the 1949 Armistice Agreement). Adding more complication to the matter. Finally, Arabs demand a "palestinian" State which they say the absence of is the reason for hostility - yet, they claim once they get a State, they will continue attacking Israel and trying to ethnically cleanse it of Jews. In 63 years, Arab racist terror hasn't subsided, and neither has their support from uber-Leftists in the Western world like you. How ironic.

      Fred - 2012-03-11 00:39

      Goyougoodthing believes the Rothschilds (of all people) are the cause of all evil in the world, and central banks are privately controlled. He really doesn't know what he's talking about.

      goyougoodthing - 2012-03-11 14:35

      @Fred: you never explajned this: Fred, is Wiki wrong about the Fed? What about: - This is the HOME of the SA reserve, on this page is states it is privately owned. I quote: Since its establishment, the Reserve Bank has always been privately owned. Today the Bank has more than 660 shareholders and its shares are traded on an Over- the-Counter Share Transfer Facility market (OTCSTF market) co-ordinated within the Reserve Bank. Except for the provision of the SA Reserve Bank Act that no shareholder shall hold, or hold in aggregate with his, her or its associates, more than 10 000 shares of the total number of 2 000 000 issued shares, there is no limitation on shareholding." Care to comment, Fred?

      Fred - 2012-03-11 15:48

      I did. You missed it, just as you miss what central banks are, and how they work. The private banks are expected to hold token shares in the central bank of a country to signify their participation in the monetary and other financial policies of the government. These shares cost virtually nothing and pay virtually nothing in dividends. Really Goyougoodthing, you just need to let go your prejudices and preconceived faulty beliefs. The information is freely available in this Information Age.

      gouws2 - 2012-03-12 10:48

      @Jaba, you have been in both areas, I'm sitting in Tel Aviv right now, and I'm telling you this is what the situation is, so if you haven't been back in the last year, your information is out dated

      gouws2 - 2012-03-12 10:52

      @Jaba, so you are seriously trying to say that arabs have a fair democratic vote in israel?? and you say I'm lying? You obviously don't have a clue what your talking about! Non jews cannot vote in israel! they are the majority and can then take over the country in one election! Google this sh@t man, I'm not trying to mislead anyone

      Mohsin - 2012-03-12 15:37


      Jaba - 2012-03-12 16:36

      gouws2 u in tel aviv my @$$ go smoke another joint. Non-Jews vote in Israel. Palestinians do not. Loser

  • nathanacohen - 2012-03-10 12:47

    This is the funny line: "Fatah-dominated Palestinian Authority condemning the Israeli retaliation, saying it had created a "negative environment" that would "escalate the circle of violence in the region" So the 40 rockets initially fired into Israel created a positive environment!? Sick of the world expecting Israel to be hit and keep quiet!

      Bobby - 2012-03-10 12:58

      It is funny. I didn't know these Fatah guys were so good in practical jokes.

  • phathuchicos - 2012-03-10 13:22

    I'm in love-hate relationship with Israel...last time I was in Tel aviv on a church mission I fell in love with the people of Israeli(welcoming) and their beautiful city then I discovered that their government is busy bombing and blackmailing Palestine and pushing USA to distabilize sad...wish they could find it in their heart to drop the weapons and open their mouths often.

      nathanacohen - 2012-03-10 13:32

      Clearly u need to go back to Israel! It is this typical one sided view of the conflict that leads to such hatred of the Jewish State...In which world is self-defense classified "busy bombing and blackmailing". Your lack of understanding of the situation is embarrassing...stop making a fool of yourself @The-Azanian

      cameronrh1 - 2012-03-10 13:53

      @The-Azanian, who is bombing who? 70 Rockets fired into Israel in the past 24 hours? And Israel retaliated and they are the evil people? Little boy before you comment know what you are "preachin"

      goyougoodthing - 2012-03-10 14:35

      Nateco, he said he's conflicted and liked the people, he didn't say he hated Israel. I suggest you look at things afresh, without a warped sense of what people say because you don't like it.

      goyougoodthing - 2012-03-10 14:47

      Jesus Cameron, that little link you put up is teeming with the most hating little confused Christians I have ever seen. "praise the lord and kill the Muslims" wtf kind of site is that?

      Dirk - 2012-03-10 15:00

      Get lost you bad thing- More sense than you can ever hope to spew

      goyougoodthing - 2012-03-10 15:14

      So god wants you to murder people Dirk... nice guy your imaginary friend.

      Martin - 2012-03-10 16:30

      @goyougoodthing - God does not want us to murder people. The words "kill the Muslims" should not come out of any Christian's mouth. Are you that ignorant about us? Don't you know that Christians are not supposed to support the killing of anybody? @Patrick Edwards - It's because you don't understand the Bible that these things do not make sense to you.

      Dirk - 2012-03-11 13:26

      Edwards- There is no one ore nothing here more stupid than you. You have not answered my question. Allow me to give you time to prepare. Each and every time you appear here, I shall be asking you that question

      Dirk - 2012-03-11 17:16

      Edwards- I have asked the questions, but in the absence of truth, you have failed to reply. The only feeble "response", is an accusation of "racism". Are you a beneficiary of the regime? Are you ignorant, stupid or a combination of all three? For me, this appears to be the most likely case.

      Anthony - 2012-03-11 18:17

      Patrick, "I AM VERY INTELLIGENT" !!!!! You are soo pathetically full of yourself, you are a joke !!!!

      Dirk - 2012-03-11 18:53

      OK, confirmed. He is a troll. One cannot be that stupid even with a massive effort.

      Merven - 2012-03-12 07:51

      Patrick, do you got anything intelligent to say or to add to the topic?

  • Adil Smit - 2012-03-10 14:12

    Why can't Israel and the Palestian state not stop this. For how many more centuries do they want to keep fighting?

      goyougoodthing - 2012-03-10 14:36

      The point is to create destabilisation, to overthrow the Arab states and implement a central, private bank that can charge interest. At present the area has too many banks not run by the cartel. That's what it's really about.

      cameronrh1 - 2012-03-10 14:43

      @Adil SmitBecause under Sharia law and their religion they are obligated to destroy the infidel (Israel), take any other country in the world same thing happens there too, Islamic extremists try to take over and declare war (Jihad), same can be said against the USA. Their religion is also obligated to hate, "a war against the infidel goes on in perpetuity, until "all chaos ceases, and all religion belongs to Allah" (Quran 8:39). According to the definitive Encyclopaedia of Islam (Brill Online edition): "The duty of the jihad exists as long as the universal domination of Islam has not been attained. Peace with non-Muslim nations is, therefore, a provisional state of affairs only." Palestinians will tell you its all about getting "land" back. But ultimatley its about religion. @goyougoodthing, get back in the hole you crawled out of. And if you intelligent enough to use a computer at least make an effort to do some research.

      goyougoodthing - 2012-03-10 14:53

      Cameron you would do well to use your own advice. At best the conflict can be blamed equally on both sides, at worst the Israelis and the CIA are intentionally causing conflict. The notion that poor Israel is innocent is ludicrous to say the least.

      Boer - 2012-03-10 16:09

      So now it is the CIA that is firing the rockets into Israel?

      Martin - 2012-03-10 16:41

      Patrick, Cameron is right. That is no "sick religious drivel". It is the very reason for the conflict in the Middle East.

      cameronrh1 - 2012-03-10 21:32

      I am not religious to start off with... Just merely stating what is known, but if Arabs (Palestinians) like most other Arabs states actually stated their true reason (Which i posted in my previous comment)no sane minded person would support them, so like the Nazi regime they resort to Propagana (google Pallywood) to doctrinise and instill hate against the Jewish nation. And ultimately get the gullible idiot to fall for their lies... As you have prooven. I rest my case.

      Fidel - 2012-03-11 14:00

      I am more certain than ever that the destiny of the Abrahamic faiths is to kill one another in god's name.

      Fred - 2012-03-11 15:49

      Perfectly inverted Fidel, as usual.

      Fred - 2012-03-11 16:03

      In case you don't get it Fidel, I'm not seeing the Jewish people killing each other a-la Bashar Assad and Moamar Gaddafi, planting bombs and carrying out suicide attacks a-la Al-Quaida and the Taliban. Do you?

  • Sean - 2012-03-10 14:37

    You fight against Israel, you fight against God Himself. No matter if the Palestinians fired every rocket ever made into Israel, you can never defeat Israel. Look at history: David and the kings of Israel, the Babylonian captivity, the Greeks, the Romans, Hitler and the holocaust, even so far as the only country to be reborn as an independent country back in 1948. The 6 day war, where Israel annihilated Egypt, Syria and Jordan, the Yom Kippur war, the raid on Entebbe air port to rescue over 100 Israelis, just to mention a few of Israel’s accomplishments. So, Palestinians, the sooner you come to realize that God is in control, the soon you can pack up your missiles and go home.

      goyougoodthing - 2012-03-10 14:54

      God... an invisible man in the sky... is that the best you have. What about the flying spaghetti monster?

      Anthony - 2012-03-10 16:51

      Patrick and goodfornothing, Both of you have realy brought this debate to a gutter level !! To spread HATRED is no art . You are both dispicable and sickening !!!

      goyougoodthing - 2012-03-10 19:09

      Because we don't agree with you Africa... sad little mind

      Anthony - 2012-03-10 19:23

      No, goodfornothing, my comment you will NEVER undrerstand !!!!

      Fred - 2012-03-11 00:41

      The Israelites have been in the area as long as the other tribes. This is recorded fact.

      Gcwabe.KaMavovo - 2012-03-12 10:44

      You see. The Zionism "chosen people" nonsense is exactly what's fueling the fire.

  • Sean - 2012-03-10 14:37

    You fight against Israel, you fight against God Himself. No matter if the Palestinians fired every rocket ever made into Israel, you can never defeat Israel. Look at history: David and the kings of Israel, the Babylonian captivity, the Greeks, the Romans, Hitler and the holocaust, even so far as the only country to be reborn as an independent country back in 1948. The 6 day war, where Israel annihilated Egypt, Syria and Jordan, the Yom Kippur war, the raid on Entebbe air port to rescue over 100 Israelis, just to mention a few of Israel’s accomplishments. So, Palestinians, the sooner you come to realize that God is in control, the soon you can pack up your missiles and go home.

      Anneck - 2012-03-10 17:28

      Agree with you Sean!

      Anthony - 2012-03-10 18:20

      Patrick, One can pretend a for a lomg time on these sites, but eventually the true person comes out for all to see. You came out this afternoon, laud and clear. A person , not only with a different oppinion, but someone ready to insult hundreds of millions of people, and bloated FULL OF HATRED !!!

      Fred - 2012-03-11 01:02

      Patrick, that explains why you are disconnected from what is really going on, can't see what is really happening.

      Dirk - 2012-03-11 13:28

      There is no Patrick Edwards- only an idiot who pretends to be.

      Gcwabe.KaMavovo - 2012-03-12 10:45

      Thee Palestinians ARE home.

      Jaba - 2012-03-12 16:53

      Gcwabe-KaMavovo true – they are home! Home in Gaza! And Israel is not in Gaza! Now get those good-for-nothing losers to stop firing rockets and we could all live in peace. Islamic fundamentalism is sick.

  • Jaba - 2012-03-10 17:15

    goyougoodthing I trust you understand that the TRUE Palestinians are the Jews. The Arabs co-opted the name (and the identity) in 1966. I remind you that during the Mandatory period, the British referred to Jews as "Palestinians." The Arabs were just always referred to as "Arabs." During World War Two, when the call went out to form a Palestine Brigade, the only people who signed up were -- you guessed it -- Jews. The Arabs were aligned with the Nazis, in case you didn't know. That said, the ersatz "Palestinians" prompted six wars -- all started by the Arabs and won by Israel -- and have engaged in seven decades of unrelenting terror, visited both against Jews in Israel and in the Diaspora. They come from the Hejaz in the Western Arabian Desert. Their stories of lush orchards and olive groves are just so much fantasy. If you want to know what Israel looked like before the Jews of the First and Second Aliyot came and made it verdant, just read Mark Twain's "Innocents Abroad." He speaks of a Palestine that was desolate and abandoned, a bleak and horrible place. It was not until the Jews came and fought back the desert in the south and drained the swamps in the north that the Arabs decided to invent a history to which they have no right. They're still inventing themselves. They are not "Palestinians." The TRUE Palestinians are the Jews. The record is replete with this fact.

      Muzammil - 2012-03-10 22:47

      HAHA, LOL JABA! Britain refers to jews as "Palestinians" and The Arabs were "just always referred to as Arabs" This is your basis for the definition of true palestinians???? to quote you "...not until the Jews came" here you agree that Jews were the ones to 'move in' whilst the Arabs were the original inhabitants and by this view are the the true PALESTINIANS! talk about contradicting yourself

      Fred - 2012-03-11 02:39

      The Israelites have been in the area as long as the other tribes. This is recorded fact.

      goyougoodthing - 2012-03-11 15:02

      Um, no Jaba untrue. The Balfour Declaration of 1917 specifically refers to returning the Jews to the land currently called Palestine, currently occupied by the Palestinians. 'Returning the Jews to the land inhabited by the Jews' doesn't make a whole bunch of sense, does it.

  • Martin - 2012-03-10 17:40

    If only the 1,5 million people in Gaza would accept Jesus Christ as their personal Saviour and accept His message of peace and His commandment to love thy neighbour, the violence and bloodshed would immediately stop. They would stop firing rockets at Israeli civilians and Israel in return would also stop retaliating. As a result, the blockade on Gaza would also be lifted. Sadly, Gaza is a very dangerous place for Christian missionaries. Proselytising is forbidden, not to mention Evangelising. If the World would only accept Jesus as the answer. He is the only one who can bring peace to this divided World.

      goyougoodthing - 2012-03-10 23:52

      Jesus who?

  • Dave - 2012-03-10 22:23

    i was sitting in my living watching T.V. ( i live in ashdod , southern israel ) we herd the alarm going off ,we had 15 secs to run to the public bomb shelter , we were half way there and 5 rockets landed 50 meters away from us . ANY COUNTRY HAS THE RIGHT TO PROTECT ITS BORDERS !!

      Jaba - 2012-03-10 23:07

      the world is with you... and unfortunately for your enemy God or Allah or what ever you call HIM is with you too.

      Jaba - 2012-03-10 23:07

      While the Palestinians & the Arab world commemorate the anniversary of another war that they lost against Israel... Maybe they should sit back and reflect about why they keep on losing wars. The crux is that Allah wants Israel to exist and stay strong - which is why Israel will never lose a war. The Qur'an relates the words by which Moses ordered the Israelites to conquer the Land:"And [remember] when Moses said to his people: 'O my people, call in remembrance the favour of God unto you, when he produced prophets among you, made you kings, and gave to you what He had not given to any other among the peoples. O my people, enter the Holy Land which God has assigned unto you, and turn not back ignominiously, for then will ye be overthrown, to your own ruin.'" [Qur'an 5:20-21] Moreover - and those who try to use Islam as a weapon against Israel always conveniently ignore this point - the Holy Qur'an explicitly refers to the return of the Jews to the Land of Israel before the Last Judgment - where it says: "And thereafter We [Allah] said to the Children of Israel: 'Dwell securely in the Promised Land. And when the last warning will come to pass, we will gather you together in a mingled crowd.'" [Qur'an 17:104] To all Muslims please read your Qur'an (The land was put aside for the Jews your Qur'an says so)

  • Mike - 2012-03-11 00:01

    israel is a apartheid state, finish and klaar. The wall seperates the palestinians totally.Palestinians under 50 are not allowed to even go to pray at the mosque.they have to have a pass and there is checkpoints everywhere. So people stop talking s**t. They are fighting for freedom.

      Fred - 2012-03-11 00:47

      Wrong. You need to look deeper into the situation than you are at present. Start off by reading the article. "The Israeli raids came as Palestinians fired dozens of rockets and mortar rounds into southern Israel starting on Friday morning, injuring four people, one seriously." Then ask yourself why the unelected dictators of the Middle East, who have been denying they citizens the right to vote for decades, haven't given the Palestinians the few neighborhoods they need, from the vast land they control. Instead they send arms to them and incite them to attack Israel. Why do they do this? What purpose does it serve? Are you aware the Jewish people were nearly exterminated in the single biggest attempt at human genocide ever? Are you aware some of these dictators deny this every happened. What do you think their intentions are? Do they want peace, or do they want to do as they say, which is to destroy Israel. Why do they want this, when they don't allow their citizens to even vote?

      Fred - 2012-03-11 07:23

      Exactly wrong

      goyougoodthing - 2012-03-11 14:40

      Fred, the Holocaust does not absolve Israel from persecuting the Palestinians. In no way does anything you say here answer Mike's question and statement of fact. You merely spout holocaust and dictators. If the dictators as you say can give land to the Palestinians, then why not Israel?

      Fred - 2012-03-11 15:52

      Largely, Israel is protecting herself from almost daily attacks by the Palestinians, funded by deposits, terrorist states such as Assad's Syria, and Khomeini/Ahmedinejad's Iran. Have you seen the size of Israel? That'll answer your second question.

      Fred - 2012-03-11 15:52

      Largely, Israel is protecting herself from almost daily attacks by the Palestinians, funded by despotic, terrorist states such as Assad's Syria, and Khomeini/Ahmedinejad's Iran. Have you seen the size of Israel? That'll answer your second question.

      Muhammed Bhyat - 2012-03-11 16:49

      Thank you Mike for your courage to speak the truth.

      Fred - 2012-03-11 17:05

      Muhammed, you should look deeper into the situation, beyond just tribal affiliations. But even using tribal affiliations, if I was Muslim, I'd be horrified at the abuse of Palestinians by fellow-Muslims of the Syrian, Iranian and other Muslim regimes.

      Dirk - 2012-03-11 19:02

      Sure, these cuddly little Philistines, a picture of innocence. They are so oppressed by these brutal Israelis. Oops, who bumped me on my head? Wait a minute! Why does every second arab want to get INTO Israel to be oppressed?I know why! They are trying to escape from the murderous, barbaric islamic arab countries.

      Fred - 2012-03-11 22:06

      You there Muhammed?

      Jaba - 2012-03-12 17:00

      Thank you Mike for showing us how a westerner could be fooled into believing the oil sponsored propaganda against Israel. You have been duped by the 5th column and its racist propaganda.

  • Photoguy - 2012-03-11 12:24

    Patrick Edwards Jou komentaar is dommer as `n sak klippe opgetel in die Gaza strook. Of shame miskien het apartheid jou brein aangetas. lol

  • Michael - 2012-03-11 12:41

    Good For The IDF

      Anthony - 2012-03-11 12:54

      Morning Michael, It is Anthony here, Last nite I asked you a very simple question re Syria; "Say that your friends in Syria, wanted to change their government from one run by a corrupt and violent family dynasty, to ANY kind of government, but without these assads; WHAT WOULD YOU SUGGEST THEY DO !!! Not to answer , in my eyes, you will be a coward, and your posts, nothing more than , silly anti Western crap !!!!!

  • Danny - 2012-03-11 13:11

    Why not change the title to: Palestinians fire dozens of rockets aimed at innocent civilians in Israel" ??

      goyougoodthing - 2012-03-11 14:41

      Rather, Israeli terrorists fire on civilians from occupied Palestine.

      Fred - 2012-03-11 15:53

      Like central banks are privately owned and controlled, goyougoodthing, and the Rothschilds are the source f all evil in our world?

      Muhammed Bhyat - 2012-03-11 16:47

      Danny, your statement is a lie. So the statement per se can be changed, but the truth always prevails.

      Fred - 2012-03-11 17:06

      What about it is a lie?

      Mike - 2012-03-12 11:05

      erm Fred - most central banks ARE privately owned.

      Fred - 2012-03-13 01:57

      Um, Mike they're not.

  • Muhammed Bhyat - 2012-03-11 16:59

    It is plausible for me to suggest that the Jewish Board of Deputies hires agents to respond to such articles with a sinister motive of making the aggressor look like victims and the victims look like war-mongers. Ultimately thou, truth always prevails. Maybe not in our life time but certainly in the grave: Justice will be served. Remember this.

      Fred - 2012-03-11 17:10

      Oh okay, you too are upside-down. You're right, if you don't correct yourself, you'll see what you're missing after you enter the tunnel of blissful light. But what a waste in the meantime. Do you have anything to say about the Islamic suicide and car bombers who have intentionally killed hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians in Iraq, Afghanistan, Africa, and elsewhere? Or is that the fault of the Jewish Board of Deputies as well, or the US perhaps?

      Fred - 2012-03-11 17:11

      And what kind of justice do you mean? Is yours a vengeful God? If yes, this is a very low and faulty understanding of what Divine love is.

      Muhammed Bhyat - 2012-03-11 17:23

      @ Fred: You need to stick to the point. There was no discussion about suicide bombs. But now that you have brought it up: You have not asked about the Islamic ruling about suicide bombing yet you have a mouthful to utter. It seems highly likely that your preconditioned mind does not have the capacity to accept the truth. Lamentfully, there is no need to correspond with biased people like yourself.

      Fred - 2012-03-11 17:25

      I don't see your answer to my question about "the point".

      Muhammed Bhyat - 2012-03-11 17:29

      And on your deplorable comment on justice this is my response, Fred: We all want Peace, but not peace at any price. Peace with justice and equity. Does God teach us to be at the receiving end of barbaric murderers or does God give us the right to defend ourselves against cold-blooded murderers?

      Muhammed Bhyat - 2012-03-11 17:31

      I am not going to discuss 'the point' with you since it will be a waste of my time. You have stated enough to indicate that you are incapable of comprehending reasonable argument. Enough said.

      Fred - 2012-03-11 17:33

      The problem is that in your tribal mind the cold-blooded murderers are those who are defending themselves against almost daily attacks from people being abused by unelected dictators who funnel arms to them and incite them to violence, instead of giving them what they need: a few neighborhoods from the vast land they control. These "cold-blooded murderers" were also the subject of the biggest cold-blooded attempt at human genocide in the history of humankind.

      Fred - 2012-03-11 17:36

      Alright, then what kind of justice did you mean? And why are you not as outspoken about the suicide and car bombers, as you are about "the cold-blooded murderers"?

      Muhammed Bhyat - 2012-03-11 17:43

      @ Fred: Your account of the what is happening in the Middle-East is twisted. You are the victim of propaganda and this you must accept. This is not the forum to enlighten you. I would however invite you towards educating yourself from sound, trustworthy articles from the 'alternative media'.

      Fred - 2012-03-11 17:46

      Were the Jewish people the subject of the biggest attempt at human genocide in the history of humankind? And again, why are you not as outspoken about the suicide and car bombers, as you are about "the cold-blooded murderers"?

      Fred - 2012-03-11 17:47

      And which "alternative media"?

      Fred - 2012-03-11 17:53

      Why haven't the neighboring dictators, who profess to care about the Palestinians, not given the Palestinians the few neighborhoods they need to call home, from the vast land they control?

      Muhammed Bhyat - 2012-03-11 17:57

      @ Fed: Thank you for that important question. Any media that is not mainstream: CNN, BBC etc. Even still, one must be very weary in accepting anything to be the truth without verifying it. A good place to start is human rights groups - their accounts and reports gives invaluable, un-politicized information on what is happening, wherever there may be injustices perpetrated.

      Fred - 2012-03-11 18:05

      I visit those regularly. The other three questions?

      Muhammed Bhyat - 2012-03-11 18:19

      @ Fred: As I have stated earlier, this is not the forum to effectively discuss this complex situation. The issues are way too complex and contentious and such a forum does not allow for such elaboration.

      Fred - 2012-03-11 18:23

      That's just an excuse. It is a forum to declare your anti-Israeli rhetoric though.

      Muhammed Bhyat - 2012-03-11 18:31

      One does not need to expand on why the are anti-Zionist. So to use this forum for such propagation is apt. Only a racist will support Zionism and all Zionists are racists.

      Fred - 2012-03-11 18:57

      Thanks. The heart of your darkness is coming out. The other questions: Did the Holocaust happen? Why are you not as outspoken about the suicide and car bombers, as you are about "the cold-blooded murderers"? Why haven't the neighboring dictators, who profess to care about the Palestinians, not given the Palestinians the few neighborhoods they need to call home, from the vast land they control?

      Muhammed Bhyat - 2012-03-11 19:13

      @ Fred: Your ignorance is glaring. You have now stooped so low to claim that I am sinister. For what it's worth: 1) The illegally occupying force is a legitimate target. No one enter anyone's land, steals its land, murders its people and rapes and blow up its women (in addition to the hundreds of other atrocities) should think that their life is safe. It is not. For as long as they remain murderers and on stolen land they will always be rightfully targeted. That is Palestinian land and they want it back! This is not an act of terror. It is a liberation struggle. Get your facts right and use the correct terminology in future. 2) I have no regard for puppet regimes who have proven to be hypocrites. 3) It is an absurd joke to suggest that neighbouring countries should give away some of their land to Palestinians. Such a request would legitimize a crime. \r\nI have once questions for you: are you an agent of the Jewish Board of Deputies?

      Fred - 2012-03-11 19:20

      Why are you not as outspoken about the suicide and car bombers, as you are about "the cold-blooded murderers"?

      Fred - 2012-03-11 19:20

      Did the Holocaust happen?

      Muhammed Bhyat - 2012-03-11 20:21

      You are being extremely petty and I sense that you have a comprehension problem. I have already addressed the issue of car bombers. You will allow me to rephrase, for your benefit: We support the killing of the illegal occupying forces. For as long as they remain in land that is not there's they will face a threat of being killed. This killing is an act of self-defense by the Palestinians. The solution is very simple and there shall be no negotiations: the illegal occupying forces must get out of Palestinian land; either that, or they must totally subdue themselves to a Palestinian authority. \r\nDo not adulterate this discussion with the 'holocaust, and refrain from asking questions on subjects which you have not personally undertaken an independent study thereof. Do this and you will get you question answered. \r\nYour intentions of furthering this discussion are disingenuous.

      Fred - 2012-03-11 20:36

      I'm wondering if you perhaps caught a few glimmers of light from your Higher Consciousness, trying to get through to you during this darkest of dark discourses.

      Muhammed Bhyat - 2012-03-11 20:56

      Once, again you use sick sarcasm to detract from the truth. This is because you are having difficulty in defending primary terrorism on part of the Zionists. One must learn to always call a spade a spade. You cannot condone a Zionist-Aparthied regime, for if you do I will have to call you a racist. I have noted your failure to disclose your relationship or allegiance to the Jewish Board of Deputies. I am therefore forced to respond to you under the forgone assumption that you are a racist. We should NEVER negotiate with racists and terrorists.

      Fred - 2012-03-11 21:10

      I commend you. Your darkest of dark hearts is emerging. Once in conscious light, it can be changed. Hidden in the recesses of the mind and heart, it grows unattended, festers, explodes into unthinkable violence, either in ourselves or through others in our world. Like through the Palestinians.

      Fred - 2012-03-11 22:06

      You there Muhammed?

      Muhammed Bhyat - 2012-03-11 22:15

      @ Fred: You have proven to be a racist supporter of Zionism. Furthermore you are void of understanding of the Zionist-Islam conflict. Also you insolently disregard matters of justice. You are evil. This is where I terminate my correspondences with you.

      Fred - 2012-03-11 22:42

      The things we deny in ourselves come to us in the ways of the world. Hence I appear evil to you.

      Merven - 2012-03-12 08:02

      'Justice will be served.' Correct, Zohair al-Qaisi and Mahmud Hanani are proof of that statement.

      Merven - 2012-03-12 08:04

      'We all want Peace,' Firing rockets into a civilian area are really convincing!

      Bram - 2012-03-12 08:19


      Muhammed Bhyat - 2012-03-12 11:10

      @ Merven: Firing rockets is an act of self-defense, furthermore there is no such thing as 'civilian area' since all of them are guilty and all of them are legitimate targets. Understand well what you utter and respect our rulings. The area of Palestine forms an integral part of belief structure in Islam and when it is desecrated extraordinary rules apply to the punishment of the aggressors. Those who speak about religious tolerance must tolerate our rulings; violation of which will make them legitimate targets. Laugh and much as you want, be as sarcastic as is possible, but justice ultimately always prevails.

      Jaba - 2012-03-12 17:11

      Mo Your account of the what is happening in the Middle-East is twisted. You are the victim of oil propaganda and this you must accept. This is not the forum to enlighten you. I would however invite you towards educating yourself from sound, trustworthy articles from the 'alternative media'.

      Jaba - 2012-03-12 17:17

      When the pro Palestinians have nothing to add to their argument they always end off on the same line, “this is not the forum to effectively discuss this complex situation. The issues are way too complex and contentious and such a forum does not allow for such elaboration” This is like the ANC saying that the Toll gates will bring a lot of employment to Joburg. They are so blinded by Friday propaganda is sad.

      Jaba - 2012-03-12 17:34

      Muhammed, It is not your fault; It seems Islam has made you that way. When you start accepting others they will accept you. You talk about Palestine being holy for Islam – how holy I ask you, is it the 6th holiest site? You are so racist you ignore the fact that those jews were there thousand of years before the creation of Islam. Believe me the Israelis want peace! From Morocco to Afghanistan, from the Caspian Sea to Aden, the 5.25 million square miles of territory belonging to members of the Arab League is home to over 330 million people, whereas Israel covers only eight thousand square miles, and is home to seven million citizens, one-fifth of whom are Arabs. The Jews of the Holy Land are thus surrounded by hostile states 650 times their size in territory and 60 times their population, yet their last, best hope of ending two millennia of international persecution, the State of Israel has somehow survived. Israeli society is not racist - your are confusing racism with fear & protectionism. The vast majority of Israelis are just trying to live their lives in peace, like the Palestinians.

      Jaba - 2012-03-12 17:35

      Jerusalem is the site of the Temple of Solomon and Herod. The stones of a palace erected by King David himself are even now being unearthed just outside the walls of Jerusalem. Everything that makes a nation state legitimate-- bloodshed, soil tilled, two millennia of continuous residence, international agreements ,argues for Israel's right to exist, yet that is still denied by the Arab League. For many of their governments, which are rich enough to have economically solved the Palestinian refugee problem decades ago, it is useful to have Israel as a scapegoat to divert attention from the tyranny, failure and corruption of their own regimes. The tragic truth is that it suits Arab states very well to have the Palestinians endure permanent refugee status, and whenever Israel puts forward workable solutions they have been stymied by those whose interests put the destruction of Israel before the genuine well being of the Palestinians. Both King Abdullah I of Jordan and Anwar Sadat of Egypt were assassinated when they attempted to come to some kind of accommodation with a country that most sane people now accept is not going away.

      Jaba - 2012-03-12 17:38

      Muhammed you are not sane. you are just a racist. my Allah show you the way

      Muhammed Bhyat - 2012-03-12 18:49

      @ Jaba: I'm rather curious at the timing of your rotten comments. After all has been said and the topic was closed you felt the childish need to add your two-cents so that you may feel good about yourself having said something. I'm not at all surprised at your racist, regressive and prejudicial views. I've come to accept that when people share variant ideologies, common ground will never be found and I trust that the one who's views are erroneous - the one who will eventually exhaust all avenues of justifying their opinions - will be the first to surrender. I must preempt you now of your imminent surrender in the very near future.

      Jaba - 2012-03-12 19:31

      you are a hypocrite, a racist and delusional. The topic was not closed, and the proof is that you came back to check - this in itself is proof of your weak mental health. how the HELL can "common ground" (as you say) EVER be reached with racists like you? you demand your way or no -way. your are pathetic to say the least and a radical at best. your view of coexistence is to kill the other side! plz tell me how many times is Jerusalem mentioned in the Koran? how bout Israel? how bout Palestine? NOT EVEN ONCE! in the bible Israel & Jerusalem is mentioned hundreds of times. your lack of respect for other religions is disgusting. The more you push Israel the harder they will fight. the more your racist view take hold the faster your end will come. at the end, my guess that a lunatic like you takes aim at Israel - a final blow. little do you know though that with that 200 million of your brethren will also go, and with it you will lose the ability to do your Hajj for another 2 thousand years as the ground will be a nuclear wasteland. yes, it is your non compromising attitude that is the largest threat to Palestinians. it will be you and fanatical retards like you that will be the end of the Palestinian dream. May ALLAH have mercy on you, for you need it. ameen

      Jaba - 2012-03-12 19:40

      and while you commemorate the anniversary of another war that the Arabs lost against Israel... Maybe you should sit back and reflect about why you keep on losing wars against the Jewish people on this land. The crux is that Allah wants Israel to exist and stay strong - which is why Israel will never lose a war!!! The Qur'an relates the words by which Moses ordered the Israelites to conquer the Land:"And [remember] when Moses said to his people: 'O my people, call in remembrance the favour of God unto you, when he produced prophets among you, made you kings, and gave to you what He had not given to any other among the peoples. O my people, enter the Holy Land which God has assigned unto you, and turn not back ignominiously, for then will ye be overthrown, to your own ruin.'" [Qur'an 5:20-21] Moreover - and those who try to use Islam as a weapon against Israel always conveniently ignore this point - the Holy Qur'an explicitly refers to the return of the Jews to the Land of Israel before the Last Judgment - where it says: "And thereafter We [Allah] said to the Children of Israel: 'Dwell securely in the Promised Land. And when the last warning will come to pass, we will gather you together in a mingled crowd.'" [Qur'an 17:104] To all Muslims please read your Qur'an (The land was put aside for the Jews your Qur'an says so) If you have a problem with Israel Muhammed, take it up with Allah, not Israel. you are so consumed with hate - you are not able to see the truth.

      Muhammed Bhyat - 2012-03-12 20:39

      @ Jaba: You are now responding out of anger. The diction and style of writing leaves much to be desired. In summary, all that you have said is evidence of your indoctrination. I lament that you so viciously defend your erroneous ideas. Perhaps your greatest flaw is that you have made this a personal assault on me. Perhaps if you are willing to civilly accept a belief structure that is foreign to your own and are willing to accept rational proofs thereof my tone would not have been cursory. But we both know that this is highly unlikely. You will never feel satisfied until and unless I become one of you. May Allah save me from your evil deception. (And be warned never to use the name of our Creator in vain) So it is your (tainted) beliefs and heinous opinion for yourself and my beliefs to myself. At the most primitive level of human interaction you are called upon to accept this. It will be mischief of you to pronounce your claptrap any further than you already did.

      Jaba - 2012-03-12 21:17

      out of anger? no ways bro! never! " I don't viciously defend anything, i tell the truth as it is - and the fact that you have only responded to my tone and not my questions is enough proof to me that you have no where to turn. I absolutely do NOT want you to become 'one of me' in fact if you knew anything about me you would realize I'm not religious in any way - so there is nothing for you to join really. the only reason i brought up religion is because your life seems to revolve around Islam (which i respect) however why do you refuse to answer any of my questions? I put to you quotes from the Qur'an which question your anti-Israel view... so why do you ignore me? you know what, i feel sorry for you... i really do! for you seem to be unable or scared to question yourself. I hope HE directs you in the right direction, that hate is not the answer and that maybe what is written - is written for a reason. salam

      Muhammed Bhyat - 2012-03-12 21:39

      Your desperate insistence to get your answers astonishes me. We all know what your intentions are. I have stated that this is not the forum to discuss these matters. In order to answer your question effectively - so that you may understand the answer - you need to appreciate an exegetical analysis of the Holy Qur'an. This is the principle. It is impossible to relate this to you via this medium, hence I have not entertained your questions. (I have previously alluded this, but you are contumacious and a liar.) It is significant that you chose to disclose your faithlessness. I trust that there is nothing further to discuss. Just one thing to ponder: Is it wrong to HATE Zionism? (No need to respond)

      Muhammed Bhyat - 2012-03-12 22:04

      For you information: You have to understand that Jews and Israel are not necessarily the one and same thing but there is unfortunately great areas of overlapping and confusion. However, this is up to the Jews themselves to sort out because they are the ones who constantly revise their religious beliefs for worldly gains and this is clear from the historical consensus of orthodox Jews that once upon a time God delegated the Children of Israel to be state protectorate of the Blessed Land of the Prophets under the conditions that they adhere by the legislated boundaries in the Torah. After the Jews repeatedly demonstrated nothing but persistent incompetence in adhering to the legislations which were prerequisite to the state protectorate, God banished them from the Blessed Land permanently until the advent of the Holy Messiah.\r\nAfter centuries of animosity amongst themselves and accumulating impatience with their disgraced, scattered and disunified state, and their inordinate greed for the share in the prophetic blessings of which they were forbidden from even coming near despite being descended from such sacred lineage, they forced themselves back to the Holy Land against the most fundamental and sacrosanct legislations of the Torah while disbelieving in and dishonouring, instead of responding appropriately to, the Messiah (peace be upon him) which their Lord sent to them and furthermore disbelieving in the Final Messenger (peace and blessings of God be upon him) which He sent afterwards to both the Jews and the Christians. Even more ridiculous, despite the general admittance among the Jews of Muhammad's Prophethood, they could not easily deny the Final Messenger just as they easily denied the Messiah because he reaffirmed the Torah far more emphatically and warned them of their superseded ancient covenant. So, for centuries from the beginning of their divine ordainment as God's chosen nation until reaching the level of God's banishment and condemned nation, the Jews out of vengeance against God Himself and unparalleled worldly greed conspired to settle the Divine Banishment from the Holy Land once and for all by forcing themselves back with genocidal carnage and repeated the ancient genocide of the pagan nations (like the Philistines and Canaanites) which is recorded in their historical battles against the modern Palestinians (who are undoubtedly not pagans this time) who never shared in the guilt of the Banishment nor deserved to be involved in the blasphemous war between the Jews and God Almighty. \r\nInstead of following and honouring the Covenants and Messengers of God, and returning to the Holy Land in obedience, humility and peaceful submission - the disbelieving Jews preferred to return in utter disobedience, arrogance and war against both God and His believing nation.\r\nIn reality, long before and up until just before the Unholy Establishment of Israel in 1948 there were humble Jews who lived and co-existed peacefully with the Muslim Palestinians and the Christians of Nazareth, and they were at most sad and sorrowful but definitely not jealous or envious of being banished from the Blessed Land as a nation. No-one ever told the Jews that they weren't allowed in the Prophetic Land except for God Himself unless they believed and followed the Abrahamic Covenant. Out of all people, no body will understand their feelings of spiritual connection with the Blessed Land more than the Muslims and Christians themselves who share the same spiritual bond. Now they are the ones telling us that Muslims and the whole world don't want them in Biblical Israel (modern day Palestine) whereas they say this by way of disbelief, blasphemy and lie against the Torah and cover-up of their ancient enmity against the Divine. \r\nThe Jews need to liberate themselves from disbelief and return to following the Laws of the Torah, the Gospel and all revelations from Allah; otherwise, they will not cease to show enmity against the rightful inheritors of the Blessed Land and the Prophets.\r\nAnd the Zionists merely deceive themselves into believing (or more like pretending) that they can take the place of God's nation, legislations and rewrite the Abrahamic Covenant because they successfully opposed the Divine Banishment and broke the Jews into different opinions of what constitutes blasphemy (kufr) and irdat-al-uloohiyyah (the Divine Will) concerning their case.

      Jaba - 2012-03-12 23:07

      even though i am not religious, i know one thing - The Torah has NEVER been changed. We are FORBIDDEN from changing even one iota of it. The proof is, that Torah scrolls from ALL OVER THE WORLD and from all time periods ARE COMPLETELY IDENTICAL The significance of the Dead Sea Scrolls should never be underestimated. They answer one of the most critical questions of life: How do we know the Bible we have today has been passed down to us accurately — and is its message trustworthy? What the Dead Sea Scroll manuscripts clearly demonstrate is that through about a thousand years there was essentially no significant alteration in the text. The scribes who transcribed the text of the Bible were so meticulous – they had such high standards of accuracy, counting every word and every letter of every word, dotting each “i” and crossing each “t”, so to speak – that one may be absolutely certain the Old Testament text available to scholars

      Jaba - 2012-03-12 23:22

      What is your definition of a Zionist please?

      Jaba - 2012-03-12 23:55

      God banished them from the Blessed Land permanently ? really? well now i am starting to understand why you hate Zionist, for Zionism mean being patriotic of the State of Israel - and it seems like that does not gel well with you. well i believe that the proof is in the pudding. the Jews are back home - have never lost a single war and they are growing from strength to strength whether it be economically, advancements or new findings of natural gas - look I'm not religious so its hard for me to argue with you - all i have in my defence is little knowledge of the Torah, google and the facts on the ground. Israel is green and over the border its desert - if you ever visit Israel you will see some crazy miracles for yourself, its as if the land is continuously celebrating... to end i will leave you with these and urge you to understand that Allah does not want you to hate anyone - even Zionists! I believe that if you emebrace Israel it would only make Allah happy - think about it "God’s goal in making the covenants was for Israel to become a kingdom of priests and a holy nation (Exodus 19.5-6). While the nation has failed to achieve this goal it will be achieved in a future day. God is sovereign and keeps His promises." God does not change his mind... for He makes no mistakes

      Fred - 2012-03-13 03:19

      Muhammed, the energies you are choosing to generate are almost totally dark. A dark mind and dark heart. I have rarely encountered such darkness, and I've lived a lot. It's gravely concerning. You're a young man who's choosing to fill himself with dark hubris, almost total arrogance, and almost total self-righteousness beyond the healthy adolescent spectrum for your age-group. Your are filled yourself with hatred, hostility and violence. Higher energies, that are closest to the Divine, of peace, love, compassion, empathy, trust, hope and joy go almost undetected. Almost total darkness. If this is what is coming out of the Madrases, hope is at a low cadence for Islam. If Muslims allow this to continue, there's more pain and suffering, much more. And it's at your own hands, no-one else's. If you go around with these beliefs, you will only encounter pain and suffering. You're generating pain and suffering for yourself. If you continue on this course, you're likely to encounter much pain and suffering in your life, all through your future, and inflict it on others. A wasted life. I can only encourage you to change, and change soon.

      Fred - 2012-03-13 05:59

      The Israelites have been in the area as long as the other tribes. This is a recorded fact. There is more than enough land for everyone in the Middle East, especially seeing as the Palestinians only need a few neighborhoods. Why haven't the unelected dictators, who control vast areas of land almost the size of a whole continent, given the Palestinians the land they need, if they care so much about them? Why have they given them billions of dollars worth of arms over decades, and incited them to fight Israel? Has this helped the Palestinians, who they say they care about?

      Muhammed Bhyat - 2012-03-13 08:23

      @ Jaba: It is either you a pathological liar or you are totally ignorant. Methinks thou art both. To state that the Torah has never been changed is a LIE. The Torah is adulterated. It is NOT in its original form. This is a fact. Your comments of the Bible are a terribly inaccurate and a travesty to history. You have NO IDEA whereof you speak. Please go and study this field and authenticate what you learn before we continue this discussion. Your question: What is your definition of a Zionist, is rhetoric. You should know what you are. Your 'little knowledge of the Torah and googling' information puts you in a shameful position to discuss these issues. You are not qualified to go on with this religious discussion. @ Fred: You sounding rather poetic. You must accept that since we have variant ideological views we perceive things totally different. What you see as darkness is bliss and illumination for me. So can you understand that we will never agree an anything in this context and all your efforts to insult me is in vain. Your understanding of the political events are also disturbing. Indeed you are low and you speak with a forked tongue about peace, love, compassion empathy, trust hope and joy. You have lost all credibility and the ideologies you support is experiencing the greatest amount of isolation and world rejection ever. Can you not see that you are on a path of loss and destruction?

      Fred - 2012-03-13 13:12

      I agree with you. You see dark ideas as bliss and illumination. They're not. They're dark, violent, hateful, wrong and YOU"RE going to pay the price with a wasted life. A whole life wasted on hate and violence. God is love, not violence and revenge. My question as to why the unelected dictators of the Middle East have not given the Palestinians the few neighborhoods they need, out of the vast lands they control, but have instead funneled billions of dollars worth of arms to them makes total sense. If they truly cared about the Palestinians, they would have done this. If I controlled all that land, that would be my first motivation: give the Palestinians the land they so desperately need, and look for peace. I have such a lot of land. I believe anybody with a heart would be motivated in the same way. It's obvious to every clear thinking person that these dictators don't, even to the Muslim people of their countries, who have freed themselves 100 million strong. Tunisia, Egypt. Libya. Yemen. Yet you support them. And you support the continual arming and inciting of the Palestinians, which is only causing them harm, causing them pain and suffering. And you call this bliss and illumination. Clearly you have deranged your ideas into an inverse formation to what truly constitutes goodness, beauty and truth. You're upside-down, wrong, and YOU are going to pay the price. It's deeply troubling. At some point you'll see what I mean. I hope it won't be too late.

      Fred - 2012-03-13 13:18

      You also deny the occurrence of the single biggest attempt at human genocide in the history of humankind: SIX MILLION human beings exterminated like rats, and legitimize the blowing up of civilians by the HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS by suicide and car bombers purporting to be Muslims. And you call this bliss and illumination. Clearly not. Clearly wrong. Clearly violent and hateful.

      Fred - 2012-03-13 13:41

      Change your beliefs, the beliefs that have been given to you, that you have chosen. Then you will see true Divine light, and you and your aura will sparkle with love, light, compassion and empathy. From the pasty and hateful aura and light you have now. This then will be a momentous life, a truly meaningful one that contributes to growing love in our shared world. Creating heaven on Earth. Every great religion agrees with this higher goal, beneath the twisted distortions caked on top for political ends.

      Fred - 2012-03-13 13:44

      That you have bought, hook-line-and-sinker, with good intentions, to be good, but that are clearly wrong. Forgive yourself and change. Do it now.

      Fred - 2012-03-13 13:45

      For the record, I'm not Jewish

      Muhammed Bhyat - 2012-03-13 14:44

      @ Fred: Thank you for the questions: 1) I have no problem with your statement 'God is love, not violence and revenge'. But, it must be in context and in line with truth. Unfortunately you your utterances are all out of context. 2) Your suggestion that neighbouring countries gives Palestinians some of their land is a smack in the face to justice. You claim to be a person of peace and justice yet you hypocritically aim to deny Palestinians their right to land. Remember- the land was stolen from them and their right to reclaim this land is inailable. It is criminal to deny this right. Do not speak with a forked tongue. Speak with justice and equity. It is most ironic that you preach goodness, beauty and truth when YOU support racism, theft, rape, violence and genocide. This is what the illegal occupying forces do in order to realize their political dream and you support them. 3) We must support any regime or people who are anti-Zionist and who deny the right of Palestinians. The land of Palestine forms an integral part of Islam. To deny us this belief is unjust on your side. We will defend the land of Palestine whether you approve this or not. Our defense of Palestine is an act of virtue - something which you are unable to comprehend because you do not understand Islam 4) I did not deny the 'holocaust'- I simply asked you to research it for yourself. You have failed miserably in this regard. 5) If you wish to experience Divine light I invite you towards studying Islam. Islam is the eternal truth. Islam will liberate you and guarantee you success in this world and the hereafter. It is tragic that you have no close Muslim friends and that your opinions of Islam is based on what you have been exposed to by mainstream media. May we commit to opening up channels of communication between us?

  • Gerhard - 2012-03-11 17:10

    "We hold the international community fully responsible for the attacks." What a laugh!

  • Edwhynot - 2012-03-12 09:56

    "Israeli Crime" So defending your people is a crime? Retaliating against the specific people who fire ROCKETS at your country and people... Is a crime? My word. I wish Israel would just shut these idiots up for good.

      Mohsin - 2012-03-12 14:57


  • Hugh - 2012-03-12 11:44

    Netanyahu stated recently " As President of Israel, I will never let my people live under the threat of annihilation." God, I miss the world where men were men, and the politically correct were just targets.

  • Andre - 2012-03-12 13:58

    @ Patrick Edwards. Your knowledge about the history of Isreal and Palestine is falling far short. In fact Israel is the ONLY middle eastern state where Arabs enjoy western standard human rights, both men and women, it is the only one where they regularly vote in free and fair elections, please show us the parallels with apartheid, you do not even realise that Israel offered a homeland to the Palestinians long ago but they the Palestinians refused it. Now I just want to ask, is creating a separate homeland for Palestinians not more like apartheid? You should check your facts on both apartheid and Israel and not only listen to anti-Semites.

      Andre - 2012-03-12 20:58

      @Patrick Edwards You can make the same argument about the USA or Australia cant you? So all in those two countries of European descent should leave and the countries be handed back to the indigenous tribes? What about the taking over of all the middle eastern states by violence by Islam? You are indoctrinated and should read up on history before making such laughable comments? Why are you not concern about the serious human rights abuses constantly happening in the countries surrounding Israel? Do you know how African, Philipine and Indian workers are treated in countries like Saudi Arabia? Do you know about the incident in Saudi Arabia where a school caught fire and the moral police forced the girls back into the flames to burn to death because they were not 100% dressed according to Saudi Muslim custom? Are things like these not more concerning than Israel defending it's citizens?

      Fred - 2012-03-13 06:19

      Patrick, the Israelites have been in the area as long as the other tribes. This is recorded fact.

  • betsy.compaan - 2012-03-12 14:10

    Welcome to the official start of WWIII

      Jaba - 2012-03-12 17:41

      Thank you religion of peace… I mean submission. Seems more like a murderess cult

  • Mohsin - 2012-03-12 16:04

    Zionist apartheid israel will be defeated GOD BLESS PALESTINE!!!!

      Fred - 2012-03-13 03:23

      ... and your hoodie :)

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