John Paul II almost a saint

2013-07-02 17:21

Vatican City - Pope John Paul II has cleared the final obstacle before being made a saint, awaiting just the final approval from Pope Francis and a date for the ceremony that could come as soon as 8 December, a Vatican official and news reports said on Tuesday.

The Ansa news agency reported that a commission of cardinals and bishops met on Tuesday to consider John Paul's case and signed off on it. A Vatican official confirmed that the decision had been taken some time back and that Tuesday's meeting was essentially a formality.

One possible canonisation date is 8 December, the feast of the Immaculate Conception, a major feast day for the Catholic Church. This year the feast coincidentally falls on a Sunday, which is when canonisations usually occur.

The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he is not authorised by the church to discuss saint-making cases on the record, confirmed reports in La Stampa newspaper that John Paul could be canonised together with Pope John XXIII, who called the Second Vatican Council but died in 1963 before it was finished.

There is reasoned precedent for beatifying or canonising two popes together, primarily to balance one another out.

John Paul has been on the fast track for possible sainthood ever since his 2005 death, but there remains some concern that the process has been too quick. Some of the Holy See's deep-seated problems - clerical sex abuse, dysfunctional governance and more recently the financial scandals at the Vatican bank - essentially date from shortcomings of his pontificate.

Defenders of the fast-track process argue that people are canonised, not pontificates.

But the Vatican in the past has sought to balance concerns about papal saints by giving two the honour at the same time. Such was the case in 2000, when John Paul beatified John XXIII, dubbed the "good pope", alongside Pope Pius IX, who confined Jews to Rome's ghetto, condoned the seizure of a Jewish boy and allegedly referred to Jews as dogs.

By canonising John Paul II along with John XXIII, the Vatican could be seeking to assuage concerns about John Paul's fast-track sainthood case by tying it together with the 50-year wait John XXIII has had to endure.

Many Poles have been awaiting the final steps of John Paul's progress, which has been pushed for by Cardinal Stanislaw Dziwisz, the Polish pope's long serving private secretary.

"We should be very happy if it is confirmed," Dziwisz's spokesperson, the Rev Robert Necek told Polish TVN24 television.

"This is the next and the last step towards canonisation. It will be presented to Pope Francis and the pope will take the appropriate decision."

  • Monsta Ronis - 2013-07-02 17:56

    Oh great they making a Nazi Paedo protector a saint !?!

      Mike Boylen - 2013-07-03 00:50

      Presumably they will make him the patron saint of paedophiles. He did spend a large part of his life protecting them.

      Bheki Dladla - 2013-07-03 08:41

      catAholics!!! shame!!!

  • GB Garratt - 2013-07-02 18:29

    He has all the right qualifications for sainthood. Covered up for child raping priests - check! Flogging himself with a whip in his bedroom - check! Hatred of women - check! Hatred of "the gays" - check!

      Juan Jordaan - 2013-07-03 09:46

      Hatred of Protestants due to Jesuit oath - check!

  • Seriousman Veryserious - 2013-07-02 18:31

    What if he's in hell?

      Seriousman Veryserious - 2013-07-02 18:33

      Wait, I know. One of his relatives will buy him out of the place.

      Seriousman Veryserious - 2013-07-02 18:35

      Never mind. Yawn.

      Coenraad Van Der Westhuizen - 2013-07-03 08:30

      Wash with pope-on-a-rope and go straight to heaven.

  • SaintBruce Bruce - 2013-07-02 18:40

    The day I was born again and filled with the holy spirit I was sainted by God not man! Paul wrote letters to the saints at various locations who formed the early church body. He would not be writing letters to dead people as that would not achieve anything. A saint is someone who displays the same anointing power that was given to man by Jesus at Pentecost. All those in the upper room were thus saints. I agree with DB in the protections offered by the Roman Catholic Church system and encourage those who may be offended by such comments to get hold of a book by an ex priest called: 50 years in the Church of Rome by Charles Chiniquy. Many in the church are sincere in their love for Christ but the system itself leaves a lot to be desired as outlined in the book. To Monsta Ronis - once a man gives his life to Christ Jesus his past is no longer remembered by God. He is forgiven as much as he asks forgiveness. Do you know whether Pope John Paul II asked for such forgiveness for his past sins of God Almighty? If he did, he is fine, if he didn't he is not. God works in moral absolutes and no shades of grey.

      Gemma van der Merwe - 2013-07-02 19:48

      Maybe Hitler also asked for forgiveness before he offed himself. Let's make him a saint as well. How about a few murderers and rapists. Just make sure they ask for forgiveness.

      Garth Baldwin - 2013-07-02 20:10

      @Bruce... you preach your eloquent words about your personified god almost as if it is fact. perhaps if you had the courage to step back from it you might find it as ridiculas as the rest of us do.

  • stuzaza - 2013-07-02 19:00

    not that i really care but are the working of miracles a requisite for sainthood?

      Bobbie Booyse - 2013-07-02 19:03

      Of course! That's why they'll fabricate a couple :)

  • Bobbie Booyse - 2013-07-02 19:00

    Let me guess? He'll be St. Paedophilus?

      Bobbie Booyse - 2013-07-02 19:06


  • Johan Kuhn - 2013-07-02 19:13

    Its all about the money, forever has been and forever will!

  • Jammies Jamneck - 2013-07-02 21:22

    Saint?? he gonna play in a bond movie...

  • Vinesh Moodley - 2013-07-02 21:30

    they mess up badly sometimes. joan of arc for example...declared heretical, burned at the stake, pardoned and declared a saint!

  • gratton.rush - 2013-07-02 21:49

    In becomig wise they have become fools. It is only a fool who says there is no God. Wisdom starts by aknowledging God. Sad that there are so many fools just on this forum no wonder this country is on a slippery slide to the abyss. Maybe that is a good thing is time to separate the chaff from the wheat. If you do not understand please ask a grownup to explain

  • Wane Thek - 2013-07-02 22:22

    Pope! a normal man raised to godly status. Should be granted "Protector of Paedophiles"

  • Nicola Dee Van As - 2013-07-03 08:26

    So there are tests to becoming a Saint? I would have thought that the way one lives their life, their morals and values and stuff like that would make them a Saint. No one should be able to "give permisison" to someone becoming a Saint. That's weird.

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