NY man gets 27 years in terror case

2012-03-03 12:00

New York - A New York City man has been sentenced to 27 years in prison in a failed attempt to join al-Qaeda to avenge Muslim abuse.

A judge sentenced Betim Kaziu on Friday in federal court in Brooklyn. Prosecutors had sought a life sentence.

A jury found Kaziu guilty of conspiracy to provide material support to a terrorist organisation. He also was convicted of conspiracy to commit murder and other charges.

Kaziu had denied ever being a threat. Prosecutors say Kaziu tried but failed to join al-Qaeda groups in Iraq, Afghanistan and the Balkans.

He eventually made his way to Kosovo, where he recorded what the government claimed was a farewell martyrdom video. He also bought a plane ticket to Pakistan but was captured before making the trip.

  • goyougoodthing - 2012-03-03 12:10

    WTF is this - where is freedom of association, where is America's supposed FREEDOM. This man has been sent to jail for trying to join an organisation! It does not matter what organisation, this is another step towards the thought police.

      michael.a.devilliers - 2012-03-03 12:29

      Are you serious? So if I join a group with the purpose to blow up buildings in SA they shouldn't arrest me because I have freedom to join any group I want? Logic right there.

      goyougoodthing - 2012-03-03 12:33

      Yes Michael that is FREEDOM. Until you do the act, there is no crime of association. In this case he didn't even join the group. This is like fighting Pre Crime. I realise that the subject matter may be too hot for some people but the truth is that his rights of freedom and association have been violated. The bigger picture is more important, and don't even get me started on what AQ is, was and is run by and for.

      Fidel - 2012-03-03 12:35

      And all this came about because the guy was being spied on on which sites he visited and the authorities initiated correspondence with him, which they later supplied him with the necessary logistics. America is a fascist state. Spying is legal in that country, they call it being patriotic. In Orwell's 1984, Goldstein (Al Qaeda) also serves an important role as both a convenient scapegoat for the totalitarian regime, and justifying reason for more military buildup, surveillance and elimination of civil liberties (The Patriotic Act).

      Fidel - 2012-03-03 13:02

      "This is like fighting Pre Crime." This reminds me of the movie "Minority Report" where thought "crime" is a crime. Bloody hilarious!

      goyougoodthing - 2012-03-03 13:15

      Exactly Fidel, I was making reference to that movie. In fact if prevention is better as Shirley suggests, then any kid who displays abnormal behaviour of any kind should be sent to prison before they might commit a crime. Any boy caught masturbuating should be sent to prison for Pre Rape. These people are so stupid they don't know what they are saying.

      Jeffrey - 2012-03-03 13:58

      Judging by your photo your hair is growing down into your brain and confusing your thinking

      Fidel - 2012-03-03 14:04

      It is quite amusing that when posters lack a coherent argument and are forced to rely on attempts at ridicule and insults to try to cover that up. Brilliant!

      goyougoodthing - 2012-03-03 14:28

      That is a brilliant counter-argument Jeffrey. I notice a distinct lack of any factual eveidence to counter any claims by any, other than name calling, which shows the level of maturity we are dealing with on this platform.

      mike.clery - 2012-03-03 14:33

      Every social grouping has rules. In a democratic system anyone who doesn't like the rules should either accept living under them or move to a place where the rules are to their liking.

      goyougoodthing - 2012-03-03 14:44

      That is brilliant Mike. Who decides on 'the rules' and who enforces 'the rules'? How are 'rules' (laws) created and sanctioned and for whose benefit are these done? In 1930s Germany, a set of laws were passed, by the majority in a 'democracy' and those that did not like the 'rules' as you call them were able to leave, oh no wait, they were murdered. Blind acceptance of 'rules' is a bad thing. As is putting someone in jail for 'trying to join' an organisation. How is this a good thing for 'democracy' or shamocracy or any form of government of any by the people? Regardless of whether you agree with a viewpoint or not is no reason to outlaw it. That is what freedom is all about. Look at the bigger picture.

      mike.clery - 2012-03-03 15:01

      So what are you proposing for your ideal world, a "society" of no rules at all? I'm not making any value judgement of the rules, just pointing out that they exist. Whatever society you live in, you're expected to follow those rules. If you don't you're considered anti-social and along with that comes some form of sanction. In a democracy you're free to express your disagreement with the rules and to lobby for them to be changed. We are talking about democracies - Nazi Germany was a dictatorship.

      goyougoodthing - 2012-03-03 15:06

      Mike, freedom of association was a right in the US constitution. I am not sure how and why this is now not a red flag to freedom. If the KKK can have memberships and be allowed to exist, then I can't see the difference. Remember this guy did NOT EVEN JOIN and he tried to join in a FOREIGN country. This is a very bad thing, what freedom of association will they take away next.

      Fidel - 2012-03-03 15:24

      It's not only the KKK, there are other right-wing militia groups active in the US, of which the likes of McVeigh belonged to, and they have hurt their fellow countrymen before and will not miss the opportunity to do so given a chance. But it is Muslims who are the "scourge" and enticed into joining bogus non existent terrorist organisations through entrapment.

      goyougoodthing - 2012-03-03 15:40

      And why don't the like Muslims? Two reasons, one is the pretence of Oil but the real reason is that there is no Privately Owned, interest-bearing banks running the Muslim countries. Therefore there is not control of them. That is the real problem, they want banks and interest-bearing citizens to fund their power game and the naughty Muslims are not co-operating. Fundamental breakdown.

      Fidel - 2012-03-03 15:50

      The various Central, Merchant, Investment & associated Bankers who have been Compounding & Collecting Interest and Creating, Manipulating & Trading DEBT, so as to keep the world enslaved in their Mesmeric Mythical-Money Matrix, are Directly & Deeply Threatened by ANY RESISTANCE TO USURY & DEBT BONDAGE.

  • Shirley - 2012-03-03 13:00

    Prevention is better than cure. Unless it was one of your loved ones crushed in the towers I think its hard to understand!

      goyougoodthing - 2012-03-03 13:13

      Ok Shirley then let's examine this. You have to agree that religion has caused more wars and deaths than anything else. 6 Millions Jews were exterminated because of their 'religion' to start. Bosnia is another example. So then, we should arrest every single person attending a church, synagogue or mosque as they could be potential Religious warriors. Drinking a bottle of vodka and then driving is a bad idea so to prevent it, arrest anyone with more than 2 shots of vodka in their house. You said prevention is better than cure. Your argument is so fatally flawed it is laughable. What about freedom of association? What about banning things that the government does not like, such as opposition parties? Where do you draw the line?

      Shirley - 2012-03-03 13:41

      I think you have had 1 shot too many!

      Jeffrey - 2012-03-03 13:54

      "However, the implicit First Amendment right of association in the U.S. Constitution has been limited by court rulings. In other words there are limits in any democracy to the right of association, it is not an absolute right for obvious reasons, otherwise there would be anarchy as everyone would have the right to do as he pleases.

      goyougoodthing - 2012-03-03 14:27

      Shirley, other than questioning my sobriety, what facts have you got to back up your logic? And Jeffery, curbing freedom in the name of freedom is not freedom, no matter which way you couch it.

      Anthony - 2012-03-03 14:46

      @Younotsogoodthing, This is the problem, with those that support dictators with it's tyranny, " You got soo many facts!!!!!! " As a matter of fact, sooooo many, that you have lost thight , as to what is right and what is wrong. A leader of a country, who murders just ONE opponent, has lost his legitamacy to rule. A leader of a country, who murders THOUSANDS of his opponents, is a WAR CRIMINAL, and should be removed by force !!!!!!

      goyougoodthing - 2012-03-03 14:56

      Then, Africa, Obama, Bush (x2), Clinton, Reagan, Carter et al should all be held liable for murder and the democracy of the USA should be questioned at every turn. What this has to do with the story however, I have no idea. I am not supporting any Dictators, I am speaking of freedoms. This is not about Tyranny. Keep focussed.

      Fidel - 2012-03-03 15:14

      @Africa "A leader of a country, who murders THOUSANDS of his opponents, is a WAR CRIMINAL, and should be removed by force !!!!!!" What do you call the leader of a country that murders thousands of women and children in Iraq and Afghanistan?

      Anthony - 2012-03-03 15:18

      @Younotsogoodthing, I have tears in my eyes, how much you care about the freedom of Americans !!!!!!!!

      Leon - 2012-03-03 15:27

      shirley prevention is the word and and don't even try to explain that to twat goodthing the only goodthing people like him can do is to talk sh#t and think they know everything.geees think for yourself twat

      goyougoodthing - 2012-03-03 15:35

      Africa I am confused. Are you saying you don't care about freedom of Americans but it seems that you are worried about the freedom of people who suffer under 'dictators'. Surely then, if America is not free, it is dictatorial? Something which you oppose? Are you quite sure what you are arguing about and for whom?

      goyougoodthing - 2012-03-03 15:38

      Leon, such a sad way to respond. When they come for you in the night, and they will, I hope there is someone left to fight for your freedom. I feel sorry for you and hope you wake up soon.

      Jaba - 2012-03-03 15:43


      Leon - 2012-03-03 15:51

      o my word grow up and i'm not going to explain to you what is going on in the world you are to young and stupid to understand that twat Ask your mom if you can go and play outside and then go and tell KFC that you are not going to eat there chicken anymore and they must go back to AMERICA Then you can say i have done something to make this world a better place

      goyougoodthing - 2012-03-03 16:01

      Leon, really you have to do better than that. I don't go and play army like you, sorry. i have other things to attend to that are more pressing. You still bring no facts, no foundation nor any logic to the table and merely slander another whom you have never met. Read a book or two, do some research and reflection and please read my posts before you berate me, I am quite sure you don't even understand what I have said.

  • Fidel - 2012-03-03 15:36

    The Orwellian "war on terror" has been very successful both economically and in making the U.S population afraid of its own shadow and therefore willing to give up liberty for security. They are being manipulated by their psycho leaders, being prepared. They don't see that Big Brother is working the system, pulling the strings, getting them ready for servitude.

  • Shirley - 2012-03-03 16:35

    Leon Alberts: goyou..and Fidel are not worth a reply! Let them continue living in nevernever land!

      Fidel - 2012-03-03 17:21

      By all means ignore me, your posts have hitherto been petty insults and childish name calling.

      goyougoodthing - 2012-03-03 21:37

      Shirley you can't actually come up with any rhyme nor reason and so you say ignore. I bet God agrees with you. That would be the Xtian god, not the jew or muslim one of course. Please write something with some merit and facts and then we can talk.

  • Mark - 2012-03-03 17:52

    I think what goyougoodthing is trying to make a point about is similar to Martin Niemöller's "first they came" about the inactivity of German intellectuals following the Nazi rise to power, which went something like this (ta Wikipedia): "First they came for the communists, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak out for me." Now, go swap the words around. Put in "Christian", "Agnostic", "Atheist", "white person", "black person", "gay person", "social drinker", whatever else you can think of. We are all SOMETHING. The crux of the matter? If you don't want it to be you tomorrow you better defend democracy today, even if you don't like who it is helping right now...

      goyougoodthing - 2012-03-03 21:35

      Thank you Mark.

  • Patrick - 2012-03-03 19:02

    Lol, this thing is a joke! First of all, we know nothing of the percecution this man must face in the US. So obviously he feels he's been hard done by. Let's take that into account before we jump the gun so to speak. Secondly, please actually read this thing, it sounds like the guy was just so pissed off he just wandered around the country side looking for terrorists! Do you people seriously think any self respecting section of al-Queda would sign a whiny NY American on board? They'd be the laughing stock of the Al-Queda Annual General Meeting! This is just a clear indication that the American government has gone to the dogs.

      Anthony - 2012-03-03 19:45

      And when the USA, would open its borders, three quarters of all people in this world, would move there !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      goyougoodthing - 2012-03-03 21:42

      Africa, 3/4s of the world would move to the moon too, it is made of cheese.

      Anthony - 2012-03-04 00:58

      Are you sure you are not boring your girl friend? Or is that your ex girl friend ?

      Fidel - 2012-03-04 14:11

      Not me Anthony. I wouldn't want to live in feudal country. What about you?

      Patrick - 2012-03-04 14:17

      "Are you sure you are not boring your girl friend? Or is that your ex girl friend ?" - Huh?

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