Nato 'could arrest Assad in Syria'

2012-11-10 16:29

Montreal - Luis Moreno-Ocampo, the International Criminal Court's former prosecutor, said on Friday that world leaders had a "good case" for asking Nato to prepare a warrant to arrest Syrian President Bashar Assad.

Moreno-Ocampo, an Argentine lawyer who was the ICC's first prosecutor, said given "it was absolutely clear" that as Syria's commander-in-chief Assad's forces had killed civilians, Nato could execute such a warrant.

He told Canadian broadcaster CBC such a warrant, carried out by both international and Syrian forces, was "one possible solution to the problem" of Assad, but the world community must first reach a consensus on Syria.

"We can have a new, more innovative approach, combining justice and a real effort to implement the warrant and then [have] negotiations at the same time," Moreno-Ocampo told CBC, as long as Assad had the presumption of innocence.

Such a move would force Assad to negotiate, the former judge said, and possibly achieve a breakthrough in the near 20-month uprising, but he noted that the shadow of "regime change" hung over world leaders, noting that the protection of civilians was the official reason for Nato intervention in Libya.

In the end, however, Colonel Muammar Gaddafi was ousted from power following international military action.

Moreno-Ocampo, who left the ICC earlier this year, said he was not in favour of military action in Syria, noting it "was not a good idea".

  • denise.labuschagne.54 - 2012-11-10 16:44

    yawn .. these mericans and their NATO ... you are a laughable matter the tables have turned mericans, rather tend to the rising waters u fools ....

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-11-10 20:00

      Um, the second largest NATO member is Turkey, a country of 73 million Muslims. And most of the member-states are Eastern European. Time to enlighten and study up a bit?

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-11-11 16:38

      Where is the West supporting terrorists?

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-11-13 07:03

      In your distorted view of the world Patrick. To you Nelson Mandela is a puppet of the West. Your exact words on this website. Imagine that. Almost unbelievable.

  • marysia.vieira - 2012-11-10 16:46

    What about the opposition forces or terrorist who are slaughtering innicent children and others?????????

      denise.labuschagne.54 - 2012-11-10 17:36

      the only terrorist and cancer is United States of Merica

      gert.swart.393 - 2012-11-11 11:23

      @denise.labuschagne.54 - You are correct!

  • daemon.zeigist - 2012-11-10 17:28

    What a joke the international court of Western Propaganda Criminal court, where the US wants to refer everyone too, but are to scared their war crimes will be exposed so don't sign it themselves. Laughable..if it wasn't so sad.

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-11-10 20:04

      Ocampo-Moreno is Argentinian. What does the US have to do with his opinion? The height of blind stupidity.

      duncan.gill1 - 2012-11-10 21:43

      Well said have grasped the whole futility of this article completely..not surprising you got the response you got from dweedle dee and tweedle dum....they always respond like this when you have made a good point!

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-11-10 21:56

      Dunkie, you believe Al-Quaida is fabricated by the US to destabilize the Middle East. These are your exact words. Is that what you call "a good point"?

      philhaj - 2012-11-11 09:20

      @ Fred and Africa...its difficult to debate with you guys because you minds are made up,it doesnt matter whether your side is right or wrong to you its ok and you will demean and insult anyone against which is you peace means nothing if its your side doing the damage.dont get me wrong bcoz i think you are bright guys just the anger/hatred in you is letting you down.I live in peace in my Mzansi so are you,why cant we wish others to live like us?instead of jubilating when some arab/jew/persian is killed lets debate positively with straight minds and let PEACE prevail.dankie grootmen.

      fidel.mgoqi - 2012-11-11 09:57

      "This is all a bit strange, when some , to mind comes this Fidel and this Patrick, can't make ANY comment, without being full of HATRED ,most of the time RACIST, and like a cherry on top, full of FILTH." There is nothing wrong with my posts if I display hatred for something or someone. It is not a crime to hate a principle. The reasons you are banned is because of your vulgarity and the filth that you spew daily on these threads, not to mention the same boneheaded comments. Show some class!

      Africa21stcentury - 2012-11-11 12:14

      . Here some sunday entertainment for the violent loony left. For all others; spot the mistake !!!!! """China's position on civil unrest is clear, it is the obligation of the government to better the lives of the people. If they cannot deliver, then the people will complain. But there is another side to the social contract. If the government and powers that be is delivering, ala Beijing, then undue disruption is counter to the interests of the people at large, and should be quelled so that the entire society can achieve all that they can""" Fidel. So , lets get this right, in this great country of China, you are allowed to complain, but ONLY when the masters tell you to do so !!!! This is a typical comment from this pseudo intellectusal bullsh.tter called Fidel. It is just CLAPTRAP!!!! It just proofs, one can read 3000 books, but if there is nothing between your ears than straw, it has been totally useless, and one can only 'paste' and 'quote' , because one misses the point entirely.! Actually, I had hoped we had got rid of Fidel, as a few weeks ago on an article about Iran, she managed to get 620, yes, SIX HUNDRED AND TWENTY, thumbs down.....on ONE article!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Anyone, in his or her right mind, would than get the message!!!!! So, the next day, my eyes nearly pop out,; who is there to tell her side of the story?????...................yes, how unbelievable as it may sound, there is Fidel AGAIN!! MIND BOGGLING !!!!! JUST LIKE A NOISY CIRCUS!!!

      Africa21stcentury - 2012-11-11 12:41

      Philhaj, Thank you for the compliments, and also the not so compliments! You say I have made up my mind !........Yes, I have !! If a people start a popular uprising, against 'their' unelected leader ( dictator ) than I take the side of the people. NO further discussion !! EVERYONE deserves 'leaders' who are accountable. It does not matter if its a caretaker in an apartment block, or a country's leader.. This uprising in Syria, did NOT start in 2011, it started FIFTY YEARS ago, when daddy assad came to power through violence. Since that tragic day for Syria, from BEFORE 2011, TENS OF THOUSANDS of Syrians have been arrested, beaten up, tortured , raped, and THOUSANDS, murdered!! Their crime: Their rejection of 'their' leader, aka 'their' DICTATOR !!! ALL the other stuff about Syria is a side show. What the USA thinks or does, or what Russia thinks or does, or whoever, Quatar, Lebanon, Israel, Holland, Pakistan, China. Or the support of any terrorist organisation. THAT is not in the minds of the Syrians. THE SYRIANS WANT TO GET RID OF THEIR DICTATOR , AND FOR SURE THEY WILL!!!

      Africa21stcentury - 2012-11-11 13:15

      Patrick, Now, that is a bit much coming from you !!!! In the last few days, a number of your comments were removed, as you were calling others on this site; SCUM !! I never called anyone scum, only rubbish does so !!!!!

      fidel.mgoqi - 2012-11-11 15:00

      Anthony, you are deranged and won't allow myself to get embroiled in daft arguments. An empty head focusing on nothingness!

      Africa21stcentury - 2012-11-11 15:17

      Fidel / patrick Homework for this Sunday; Fidel, read this 10 X aloud !! Patrick, Get someone to read this for you, 10 X aloud !!!! MODERN DAY LEFTITS: ""They are baffling people. They talk about human rights, and yet ally with sexist, racist, violent, gay-murdering, human-rights-hating fascists. They come from a long tradition of western support for foreign tyranny. Their central belief seems only to be that America, and Israel, and the white man, must be wrong. All of their decisions are based on that false axiom. As a result, they are enemies of the free countries, friends of third-world tyrants, and enemies of the suffering people all over the world who are forced to live under tyrannies""

      fidel.mgoqi - 2012-11-11 17:12

      Do idiots like you enjoy simply bandying these silly labels around without actually considering what they even mean or that in actual fact they neither make sense nor exist, or do you enjoy being stupid? In any case, ad hominem insults just waste your time, and News24' server space.

  • johan.jacobs.5680 - 2012-11-10 17:38

    Beginning of Assad's end.

  • Africa21stcentury - 2012-11-10 18:10

    . The ,heading' should read: ""NATO 'SHOULD' ARREST assad IN SYRIA"" But before these violent loonies from the left, get all worked up ; The Libyans THEMSELVES took care of their monster, and so will the Syrians!!!!!

      Skwertno1 - 2012-11-10 18:53

      Well, there you go, treat him the way he treated others..... One will lower oneself to his level if if one act in such a way #justsaying #cantkillfirewithfire

      Africa21stcentury - 2012-11-10 20:30

      . In Libya, as soon as that gaddafi freak got a lift on the back of a bakkie, and rushed to the abatoir,........without police protection, !!!! ,the killings stopped within hours !!!! The same will happen in Syria!! You rememeber, how surprised this gaddafi clown looked........!!!! That really showed how far from reality ,his rotten mind was. NEVER for a split second, did he believe 'his' people HATED him!! This assad also believes 'his' people 'LOVE' him, And than MINUTES, after the population hears , their' monster is hanging from a tree, all the 'love' admiration and adulation will evaporate into hot air !!! If it takes ;fighting fire with fire, well ,so it be ! And when this happens, be glued to your TV, and look carefully at the faces of the Syrians, dancing in the streets. The strain on their faces will be gone; Their 50 year old nightmare will have come to an end !!!!

      duncan.gill1 - 2012-11-10 21:48

      I wonder if what you sprout is not how Palestinians should far as "If it takes fighting fire with fire, well ,so it be !" But then again you get your double standards from your Western role models that you worship so adoringly!!!Sick but not surprising..!

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-11-11 00:07

      Dunkie, you're so vociferously and naively anti-West that your perspective and opinion are virtually worthless.

      Africa21stcentury - 2012-11-11 00:40

      Dankie, JUST A THOUGHT ! MODERN LEFTISTS The following are best described as opponents of the west. They are some of the leading opponents in the west of American and western power, and opponents of American and western victory against non-western enemies. They appear regularly on my local radio and TV, and in my local newspapers, so I thought I would gather in one place refutations of them. They have every right to speak of course, and it is one of the strengths of the USA, the UK and other democracies that their harshest critics - indeed practically their open enemies - are not only free to speak, but can make a good living by doing so, and even become immensely wealthy doing so (like Michael Moore). The people below claim to be friends of oppressed people around the world, but in fact they are enemies of the non-western world as well, since they want to stop the spread of western ideas to it, and hence prevent its liberation. They are baffling people. They talk about human rights, and yet ally with sexist, racist, violent, gay-murdering, human-rights-hating fascists. They come from a long tradition of western support for foreign tyranny. Their central belief seems only to be that America, and Israel, and the white man, must be wrong. All of their decisions are based on that false axiom. As a result, they are enemies of the free countries, friends of third-world tyrants, and enemies of the suffering people all over the world who are forced to live under tyrannies.

      Africa21stcentury - 2012-11-11 00:43

      . Above abstract from Mark

      shane.loxton - 2012-11-12 09:01

      Sadly Toos it was a team of South Africans that were doing close protection for him

      Africa21stcentury - 2012-11-13 08:13

      Shame, YES.these dictator scumbags don't even trust their own people to protect them. THAT is how much their people "LOVE" them !!!!!

  • - 2012-11-10 18:16

    the uN is not united, how r they goin 2 arest him wit russia an japan not showin their position?

  • iwillemse - 2012-11-10 18:34

    america. and da UN 2getda wit NATO r inconsistent, as a governing body .

  • iwillemse - 2012-11-10 18:39

    russia nd japan veto UN resolutions 2 da rebel uprising against Assad, Y ?

      shane.loxton - 2012-11-10 19:32

      Not Japan, its China

  • KevvyW - 2012-11-10 19:11

    Think, the UN charter should be changed B4 another leader is charged. All countries which form part of the UN should be liable for prosecution, Not one excluded...If you don't sign up, get Out...

  • shane.loxton - 2012-11-10 19:48

    Here's a challenge to all the war mongers, watch the documentary by the BBC called " The War You Don't See" and then come back and say u believe "ANY" press report. The War You Don't See is a 2010 British documentary film written, produced and directed by John Pilger with Alan Lowery, which challenges the media for the role they played in the Iraq, Afghanistan, and Israel/Palestine conflicts. The film, which went on nationwide general release on December 13, 2010, had its premiere at the Barbican and was aired through Britain's ITV1 on December 14, 2010[1] and later through Australia's SBS One on April 10, 2011

      Africa21stcentury - 2012-11-10 20:50

      . Shame , (on the Bloemfontein border) ' Same Pilger ' ????????????????????????? HOULA MASSACRE, THE TRUTH IS OUT. WILL PILGER NOW APOLOGISE TO THE SYRIAN REBELS ?? """""Assad-apologist and professional conspiracy-theorist John Pilger"""" , in a typically incoherent ‘my enemy’s enemy is my friend’ rant (New Statesman, 20 June 2012), suggested that the anti-Assad rebels, in an attempt to discredit the regime, were responsible for the Houla massacre: “The threats against Syria, co-ordinated in Washington and London, scale new peaks of hypocrisy. Contrary to the raw propaganda presented as news, the investigative journalism of the German daily Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung identifies those responsible for the massacre in Houla as the “rebels” backed by Obama and Cameron. The paper’s sources include the rebels themselves. This has not been completely ignored in Britain. Writing in his personal blog, ever so quietly, Jon Williams, the BBC World News editor, in effect dishes his own ‘coverage’, citing a western official who described the “psy-ops” operation against Syria as ‘brilliant’. As brilliant as the destruction of Libya, and Iraq, and Afghanistan.” Now Der Spiegel has fully investigated all the claims, and interviewed witnesses. Spiegal‘s concusion is clear: the regime’s army, probably working with the shabiha militia, carried out the massacre. Then some very poor residents of Houla were brought to Damascus and paid to back up the regime’s version of event!!

      duncan.gill1 - 2012-11-10 21:54

      shane once again you come forth with intelligent debating supporting your view with documented facts..thanks again for your imput on this forum as for this Africa21stCentury he gives no link to support his blasphemy so we just have to take his word for what he claims..his arguments get thinner and thinner by the day and by the comment!

      larry.lachman.54 - 2012-11-10 22:09

      Pilger. That says it all. anything associated with Pilger is anti-semitic.

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-11-10 23:50

      Which "war mongers" are you referring to, Assad and his brother who are literally butchering Syrians and their families in their homes, or Putin who's arming them?

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-11-10 23:55

      Dunkie, is it intelligent to believe Al-Quaida is fabricated by the US to destabilize the Middle East? This is what you wrote in this very website.

      shane.loxton - 2012-11-12 08:57

      Africa21 AKA Toos does this make all the people he interviewed less truthful? Sad that you of all people coming from a country that used name tagging to define people and race have to resort to tagging and name calling, looks like your Apartheid government taught you well

  • sandor.l.varga - 2012-11-10 19:53

    Why must mainly christian soldiers go there? It is Arab problem so send military forces from the muslim world... Anyway: good luck, hopeless situation will be same result as in Afghanistan and Iraq.

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-11-10 20:07

      Turkey is the second-largest NATO member.

      sandor.l.varga - 2012-11-10 20:46

      Fred, yep you are almost right. USA,Germany,UK and after Turkey by population. But thank you for reminding me for Turkey.

  • iwillemse - 2012-11-10 19:59

    In wht is mostly a ground offensive, 36 000 perished already,wht is da crediblity nd significance of UN.

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-11-10 21:52

      With neo-Soviet Putin and neo-Communist China, it is virtually powerless.

  • thunder.clap.587 - 2012-11-10 22:01

    You cannot jus crack Assad jus like dat,maybe wen every standing building in Syria is rubbles,you MIGHT arrest him otherwise the fight continues.

      larry.lachman.54 - 2012-11-10 22:12

      The murdering of ones own civilian population continues, so as to avoid defeat in a national democratic vote for a new government.

  • fidel.mgoqi - 2012-11-11 08:18

    Nato is a defense pact for Western Europeans, and it should stick to the defense of Europe. The act of bombing other peoples' cities in unprovoked attacks was what the ICC was set up to prosecute - and hopefully, put a curb on. But of course, they've been shown up to be another tool in the imperialist box! The ICC is a joke, but what else would one expect. It doesn't even have jurisdiction over Assad, but it does over Blair, for example.

      duncan.gill1 - 2012-11-11 15:49

      Fidel what tweelde dee and tweedle dum seem to forget that their beloved West is bankrupt that by 2016 they already estimate that China's GDP will be the largest in the world and that the BRICS countries combined will have a larger GDP than the whole of the rest of the world...So they must just cling like diehards to the good ole USA that begins to sink beneath the waves.Now the good ole USA could have been a world leader for the foreseeable future if they had not practiced instant financial gain for a few at the expense of the many and the countries economy in general!!This is not to mention how much money has been wasted on a massive military that today accounts for approximately 25%of the good ole USA budget in any one financial year!Now,if you take that the good ole USA has created this massive debt due to unsound and greedy elitist greed and paranoid military spending,then any fool can see they have sown the seeds of their own destruction.So let them cling to the dying ship that frantically still tries to force it's way upon world affairs.Thank God for the Russian federation that has the firepower still to counteract any desperate and diabolical possibility that the good ole USA might quite possibly try to destroy the rest of the world before it breaths it's last dying breath!!They could easily hatch a plan to take the whole world back to the 18th century rather than see their hold on things be me such plans get discussed in the pentagon every day!

      fidel.mgoqi - 2012-11-11 16:33

      We've seen the result of an unfettered, uni-polar world for the last 30 years and its not pretty. It'll only get worse if no one stands up to the US. The U$’ dream of global domination and belief in Manifest destiny are crumbling in front of our eyes! Thank God for Russia and for Putin!

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-11-11 16:52

      Fidel believes Nelson Mandela is a phony, a lackey of the West, a modern day Uncle Tom. He also believe neo-Soviet Russia and neo-Communist China, themselves undemocratic and with the worst human rights records of all the countries on Earth, are going to bring democracy to the Middle East. Dunkie believes Al-Quaida is fabricated by the US to destabilize the stable Middle East. Fabricated. You're not going find a balanced, accurate view if the world there, obviously. Nelson Mandela a phony? Al-Quaida fabricated by the US?

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-11-12 17:30

      Russia and China have the worst human rights records of any country on Earth. They are only starting to emerge from their dark pasts. Everyone without preconceived prejudices and wishful thinking sees this.

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