No deal with Iran on way forward: IAEA

2012-02-22 11:08

Vienna - The UN atomic agency said on Wednesday that "intensive efforts" by its team visiting Iran on the way forward failed, and that they were denied access to a key military site.

"Intensive efforts were made to reach agreement on a document facilitating the clarification of unresolved issues in connection with Iran's nuclear programme," the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) said in a statement.

"Unfortunately, agreement was not reached on this document."

The team requested access both during this visit and during a first trip in late January to the Parchin military site where it suspects suspicious nuclear activities are carried out, but Iran "did not grant permission", it said.

"It is disappointing that Iran did not accept our request to visit Parchin during the first or second meetings," IAEA Director General Yukiya Amano said in the statement.

"We engaged in a constructive spirit, but no agreement was reached."

The high-ranking IAEA team led by Herman Nackaerts, the Vienna-based agency's chief inspector, was due back in Vienna later on Wednesday.

Negotiations to continue

The visit was the second in less than a month and was aimed, the IAEA had said, at clarifying all "outstanding substantive issues" surrounding Tehran's nuclear programme, in particular what it called "possible military dimensions".

Iran's envoy to the IAEA, Ali Asghar Soltanieh, was quoted by the Iranian news agency ISNA as saying the talks had been intensive and covered "co-operation and mutual understanding between Iran and the IAEA".

"These negotiations will continue in the future," Soltanieh said.

The trip was also seen as an important precursor to a possible resumption of talks between Iran and the P5+1 powers, the United States, China, Russia, France, Britain and Germany, which broke down in Turkey 13 months ago.

A watershed report from the IAEA in November said that Iran had carried out activities in a number of areas "relevant to producing" a nuclear weapon. Iran denies it is seeking to develop nuclear weapons and said the report was based on forgeries.

Since its publication, the United States and the European Union have ramped up sanctions on Iran's oil sector, and speculation has grown that Iran's arch rival Israel might launch military attacks this year.

  • allcoveredinNinjas - 2012-02-22 11:15

    "I'm sorry Mr Soltanieh there appears to be some smoke rising behind you, I believe your pants are on fire".

  • Craig - 2012-02-22 11:56

    How will we ever know the truth???

  • Mike - 2012-02-22 11:56

    If you are doing nothing wrong then you have nothing to hide!

  • Graham Ball - 2012-02-22 12:09

    Which is the lesser of two evils, to pre-emptively strike Iran's nuclear facilities and risk a regional World War 3, or do nothing and risk the destruction of Israel and a nuclear arms race in the Middle East?

      bheki.dingiswayo - 2012-02-22 12:38

      Where do you get the information that Israel will be destructed and by who?

      BA - 2012-02-22 13:29

      Bheki. Do you think we should ignore ahmadinejad's words, or only the ones that suit your point of view. ahmadinejad has called, not once, but several times, for the complete destruction of Israel. iran supports a corrupt regime in syria, which is responsible for the deaths of at least 6,000 civilians. iran also sponsors hezbolah and hamas, organizations dedicated to the death of Jews and the destruction of Israel, and responsible for acts of war against Israel. So you are saying we should ignore these actions and words. But we should believe implicitly iran's other words, that their nuclear programme is designed only for producing energy, in a country which is the 2nd largest oil producer in the world? Why does iran need nuclear weapons? So it can threaten others. iran is not under threat or attack from anyone. Therefore its acts of acquiring nuclear weapons are by deinition aggressive- seeking to obtain more power and influence. iran has and continuies to be an imperialistic country seeking to exert influence and control over the middle east.

      Chris - 2012-02-22 15:11

      But you cant say that Anthony - Israel are the chosen people, much like us white Afrikaners and anyone else who isnt a brown Muslim camel-jockey. /sarcasm

      Fred - 2012-02-22 15:37

      Wait a few months until Assad is gone. The Iranian regime, distinct from the Iranian people, will be alone, squarely in the spotlight and Iranians will be rising up, demanding the end of the regime, following another rigged election.

      Fred - 2012-02-22 15:58

      Anthony, you're a heartless human being and a danger to society.

      Fred - 2012-02-22 15:59

      Chris, you have an enormous chip on your shoulder, so big that it's blinding you.

      Fred - 2012-02-22 20:55

      No. The rogue Iranian regime that rigged the last elections wants a nuclear weapons program to hold on to power and continue manipulating the Middle East, the Palestinians in particular, for its own twisted, chauvinistic agenda. Israel has a nuclear weapons program because its very existence has been threatened again and again by the Middle East violent, rogue, dictatorships, which are thankfully disappearing fast, overthrown by their own people who are seeing through their lies. With these dictatorships gone, replaced by truer democracies Middle East style, the threat to Israel should diminish and nuclear weapons on all sides will become less needed.

      Fred - 2012-02-25 06:46

      Well you've got one eye blocked, so you're only seeing half or less of the picture. You're missing the origins of the real aggression: the self-serving, tyrannical dictatorships that are being thrown out in dramatic style by the people of the Middle East. Even this you're hardly seeing.

  • Chris - 2012-02-22 12:23

    Why would the Iranian regime carry out an action that would surely bring about their own destruction?

      Dominic - 2012-02-22 12:33

      because they believe its gods will that it be done

      NinetiethOwl - 2012-02-22 13:40

      Please be more specific, Chris.

      Chris - 2012-02-22 14:34

      NinetiethOwl - If Iran ever launched a nuclear strike against Israel, what do you think will happen to Iran.

      Fred - 2012-02-22 16:26

      Because they're arrogant and arrogance makes people blind and ultimately destroys them.

      Joseph - 2012-02-22 19:11

      @chris say what ever u want 2 say abt the Islamic repulic but what remains a fact is that they are a very intelligent and decent people just like the South Africans. they are civilized unlike the NEO-NAZI ZIONIST regime. Iran has been around for more than 500 years and they are not going anywhere. The ZIONIST REGIME WILL CEASE TO EXIST!!!!!

      Fred - 2012-02-22 19:31

      Joseph you're confusing the Iranian regime with the Iranian people. This will become clearer to you soon, when the Iranian people remove the regime. Once Assad is gone.

  • Erich - 2012-02-22 12:27

    Its simple....Iran with a nuclear weapon is the same as a child with one......dangerous beyon comparison

      Chris - 2012-02-22 12:29

      And what facts do you base your assertion on?

      bheki.dingiswayo - 2012-02-22 12:38

      Who should have this weapons and why? I find it strange that other countries are allowed to have this weapon and other not and I really would like to understand the logic behind.

      BA - 2012-02-22 13:32

      Bheki and Chris. Do you think we should ignore ahmadinejad's words, or only the ones that suit your point of view. ahmadinejad has called, not once, but several times, for the complete destruction of Israel. iran supports a corrupt regime in syria, which is responsible for the deaths of at least 6,000 civilians. iran also sponsors hezbolah and hamas, organizations dedicated to the death of Jews and the destruction of Israel, and responsible for acts of war against Israel. So you are saying we should ignore these actions and words. But we should believe implicitly iran's other words, that their nuclear programme is designed only for producing energy, in a country which is the 2nd largest oil producer in the world? Why does iran need nuclear weapons? So it can threaten others. iran is not under threat or attack from anyone. Therefore its acts of acquiring nuclear weapons are by deinition aggressive- seeking to obtain more power and influence. iran has and continuies to be an imperialistic country seeking to exert influence and control over the middle east. Every country can try and protects its interests. If you want iran to have the right to have nuclear weapons, you must also let other countries whose interests are threatened by iran have the right to try and stop them getting such weapons.

      Fred - 2012-02-22 15:39

      Anthony, or whatever your name is, you're a sociopath, an anti-semite and a vile human being.

      Fred - 2012-02-22 16:04

      Bheki, the logic is that despotic, chauvenistic, terrorist regimes that threaten other countries, deny the occurrence of global events such as the Holocaust and 9/11, that are illegitimate because they have not been elected or have rigged elections to be in power are a danger to humanity and must not be allowed to have nuclear weapons. In fact, they must be removed from power by their own people, which is exactly what is happening. Tunisia, Egypt, Libya, Syria, Yemen and soon Iran.

      Jaba - 2012-02-22 19:28

      Zionism is patriotism of Israel.nothing wrong with that... what is so wrong to strive for your Independence in your land? only idiots associate Zionism with racism. those that do are usually closest racists themselves. time 2 come out the closet Joseph & Anthony you 2 make a good couple. would be stoned to death in Iran , but a nice couple nonetheless.

      Fred - 2012-02-22 19:39

      Jaba, unfortunately there are racist and bigoted beliefs in Zionism, as there are in Islamic fundamentalism. It's the mark of the current level of human consciousness, I think.

      Fred - 2012-02-25 06:49

      Hollow epithets like that are ... hollow and meaningless, especially when you support swastika-baring bloggers.

  • bheki.dingiswayo - 2012-02-22 12:34

    To the people of Iran- Please do not allow those people to do inspection for the nuclear weapons. I hope you have learn a lesson from Gaddafi, Saddam and other who has allow this so called UN-Nuclear inspectors. Once they establish that you do not have them (Nuclear Weapons) Iran will be vulnerable to invansion same way as Saddam, Gadaffi. To date nobody has found the weapons that the Americans were looking for in Iraq. Gadaffie disposed his nuclear weapon and his country was invaded by the UN.

      Ashraaf - 2012-02-22 12:54

      Couldn't agree with you more, the lies and deception by the Americans and Israeli's knows no end. First they freeze the assets of Nations whom they believe to be Pariah state under whatever guise they use and steal the money, Libya lost Billions to the Brits who froze their money and used it to prop up their corrupt economy. Now the Americans are doing the same because the biggest threat to the Americans, like Iraq is not using the Petro Dollar to pay for their Oil exports. They have to stop Iran at all cost. Iran has the right to nuclear energy and even the a nuclear bomb. Why do they want power to remain in the west,who gives them the right to determine for the world what is right. Remember the Americans is the only country in the world who used an ATOM bomb in World War II. They should be stripped of their nuclear power. With the west the world is in Turmoil. While the Ottoman empire ruled for 600 years there was peace on earth. The scale of wars and turmoil is unacceptable, the killing of innocent civilians seems acceptable as collateral damage. When are these murderers and killers going to be brought to book. This was never allowed in the past that one nation can act with impunity without consequences. THE UN IS A JOKE.

      TheJaydedKing - 2012-02-22 14:14

      By the looks of it neither of you have ever read a history book and clearly Ashraaf's version of peace includes mindless slaughter.

      TheJaydedKing - 2012-02-22 15:33

      anthony - who gives a toss, i would rather have a western dominated rubber stammp than a chinese or middle eastern one.

      Fred - 2012-02-22 15:47

      Anthony, you're also uninformed and ignorant. The US doesn't pay its dues to the UN for years. It believes the UN is ineffective. So much for your dumb "rubber stamp" idea.

      Fred - 2012-02-22 16:09

      It is not the people of Iran. It is the rogue Iranian regime that rigged elections to hold onto power against the will of the majority of Iranians. Inform yourself Bheki or you can find yourself supporting your own destruction. Are you saying you suported the violent, self-serving, unelected dictators Moamar Gaddafi and Saddam Hussein? Did you enjoy Apartheid?

      Fred - 2012-02-25 06:51

      Ashraaf, no offense, you're talking absolute rubbish and, hopefully, embarrassing yourself (i'm assuming you have a conscience and are just lying). Check your facts, man. You've made up a whole lot of nonsense.

      Fred - 2012-02-25 06:52

      Ashraaf, no offense, you're talking absolute rubbish and, hopefully, embarrassing yourself (I'm assuming you have a conscience, can feel remorse, and aren't just lying). Check your facts, man. You've made up a whole lot of nonsense.

  • Chris - 2012-02-22 12:46

    Have we not learned anything from the Iraq? Sections of the theocracy represented by Ahmadinijad take a rhetorically aggressive position towards Israel to help bolster their support internally and amongst wider arab populations as part of a regional battle for power and influence. That this is being mistaken for 80 million bloodthirsty Iranians hell bent on killing 7 million Israeli's is shocking naivety and it's what is driving these totally mad claims that are being made.

      Ashraaf - 2012-02-22 13:14

      Rubbish, again an ignorant portrayal of Iran, unfortunately Israel Illegitemately acquired nuclear capability and even today they won't reveal the extend of their nuclear arsenal. They don't even want to sign the nuclear arms treaty which most nuclear capable countries are signatories to. The biggest danger in the Middle East is not the Theocracy but ISRAEL with the support of the Americans. The reason why you think Iran is a threat is because it supports the Palestinians. If they didn't Israel would have wiped them all out, which they doing anyway. The fact of the matter is Israel is greedy they don't want peace they want more land. With regard to Iraq, the entire war was based on a lie. now the people are still suffering and the only reason the Americans pulled out is because the Iraqi government cancelled the immunitiy from prosecution of all US soldiers on 1st Jan 2012. They know they are a bunch of criminals, if they continued to stay they would have had to answer to the Iraqi courts.

      Chris - 2012-02-22 13:23

      Ashraaf, you need to read my post again, im very much in agreement with you.

      Ashraaf - 2012-02-22 13:33

      You right and I agree with you, my apology, sometimes one is blinded by all the diatribe that is being spewed by the western media.

      BA - 2012-02-22 13:36

      Ashraaf. Did you know that more civilians have been killed in the last year by syria's government - which is supported by iran and irna's puppet regime - than in the last at least 10 years in the palestinian territories? Did you know that? So you would rather let iran's puppet regime merrily murder close to ten thousand civilians in a year, and blame everything on Israel? All that means is that you are a Jew-hater who is so prejudiced and racist that you would rather see muslims die than accept that iran is an evil regime.

      BA - 2012-02-22 13:41

      Chris - you do not need 80 million iranians. You need an islamist extremist government who believes wholeheartedly in the mahdi. In our living memory another monster also threatened the Jews and murdered 6 million, as well as millions of other people. In fact it is you who are shockingly naive if you think that this is all just rhetoric.

      TheJaydedKing - 2012-02-22 14:15

      Ashraaf - Again another indication of your ignorance.

      Chris - 2012-02-22 14:19

      BA - what exactly is your point? Iran has never called for the complete destruction of Isreal, it has however called for the removal of its regime which is understandable but hypocritical. Im not defending the theocratic government of Iran and I will not deny its involvement in Syria. But the same charges can also be laid against the Russian and Chinese governments who also have great influence in Syria. Should we bomb Russia and China just to be on the safe side too?

      Fred - 2012-02-22 15:50

      Ashraaf, you're a BIG pseudo-victim who likes to blame everyone else and not take responsibility. YOU misread a post and blame "all the diatribe spewed by the Western media". BIG victim and liar. Grow up.

      Fred - 2012-02-22 15:56

      Anthony, you've been manipulated by the violent, despotic regimes of the Middle East who have used the Palestinians to distract their populations from their disenfrachisement, and you've been too dumb to realize it.

      Fred - 2012-02-22 16:14

      The politics that you are describing is costing the lives of thousands of people, mainly Palestinians, and have held whole populations in bondage to rogue, despotic, chauvenistic regimes of the Middle East for decades. It is completely unacceptible. The people of the Middle East have seen through it and are rising up, overthrowing its proponents one by one. The only totally mad claims being made are threats by the rogue Iranian regime to wipe Israel off the face of the Earth and denial of the Holocaust.

      Fred - 2012-02-22 16:16

      Well said BA. Couldn't agree more. It's sad when people are taken-in by manipulations and lies, and then lie themsleves, causing untold harm to others, and to themselves.

      Fred - 2012-02-22 18:28

      There's no such thing as a rhetorically aggressive position in the rogue politics of violent, unelected dictators.

      Fred - 2012-02-25 06:53

      Patrick, you support swastika-baring bloggers. Aren't you ashamed?

  • bheki.dingiswayo - 2012-02-22 13:39

    BA-The killing of innocent Arabs by the Americans and their friend under the same disguise of a threat to other people. It is my understanding that Israel has nuclear weapon and nobody is making noise about them. I see no reason why is the UN so keen to do inspection in Iran and not Israel? Further, it would appear that everybody is against the Jews which I would totally disagree with. They have been neighbors for years what will change now?

      BA - 2012-02-22 13:49

      Bheki please do not try and avoid the questions and points I have made. To simplify things I will again ask you: Which of iran's statements and actions must we igore - the ones attacking and threatening to attack Israel, or only the ones that suit your point of view? Secondly, regionally I am afraid you are correct. Every surrounding country is against Israel. Not only that, but they have attacked Israel not once, but several times, often in concert. So you are factually wrong Bheki. Finally, Israel is not the issue here. iran is. Israel did not call for the destruction of iran. Israel is not seeking to exert influence and control in an imperialistic and aggressive manner.

      BA - 2012-02-22 13:51

      Correction. My statement should be "Secondly, regionally I am afraid you are INcorrect."

      Chris - 2012-02-22 14:08

      They have never stated they wish to wipe out the entire population of Israel, unless you have a reputable quote for that. It was a complete spin on a speech from Ahmadinejad, at 'The World without Zionism' conference in Tehran October 2005, and the phrase he used was a direct quote of a speech by the Ayatollah Khomeini. The phrase he used was "the Imam said this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time" No discussion about why they aren't allowed the bomb? They seem less of a threat, going by recent history, than most of those who have such technological capabilities.

      bheki.dingiswayo - 2012-02-22 14:10

      Dear BA I do not remember Ahmadnejads saying Iran will use nuclear weapon against Israel. I did not said statement from Iran should be ignored but countries could negotiate where they do not see eye to eye. Maybe Israel was attacked before but it still exist . On the issue of supporting corrupt regimes- I think we should not venture and start speculation about the relationship of different countries. My question was, who should be allowed to have nuclear weapons and who should not have? There is commonalities in those countries that are perceived to be threat to others- they have oil and everybody is behind securing oil for their countries. Iraq was invaded under the same disguise it was going to destruct some countries, Libya, they agree to disposed their weapon and their country was invaded by UN. Now it will be Iran.

      TheJaydedKing - 2012-02-22 14:19

      Keep your head in the sand Chris

      Chris - 2012-02-22 14:23

      Contribute much to the discussion?

      BA - 2012-02-22 14:25

      quotes from ahmadinejad: At a gathering of foreign guests marking the 19th anniversary of the death of Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini in 2008, Ahmadinejad said: "You should know that the criminal and terrorist Zionist regime which has 60 years of plundering, aggression and crimes in its file has reached the end of its work and will soon disappear off the geographical scene." The Iranian presidential website states: that "the Zionist Regime of Israel faces a deadend and will under God's grace be wiped off the map," and "the Zionist Regime that is a usurper and illegitimate regime and a cancerous tumor should be wiped off the map." On Israel's 60th birthday, Ahmadinejad said: Those who think they can revive the stinking corpse of the usurping and fake Israeli regime by throwing a birthday party are seriously mistaken. Today the reason for the Zionist regime's existence is questioned, and this regime is on its way to annihilation." Ahmadinejad also stated that Israel "has reached the end like a dead rat after being slapped by the Lebanese." Later, he said: "The Zionist regime is dying," and "The criminals imagine that by holding celebrations (...) they can save the Zionist regime from death." Ahmadinejad also stated that "They should know that regional nations hate this fake and criminal regime and if the smallest and briefest chance is given to regional nations they will destroy (it)".

      Chris - 2012-02-22 15:06

      BA- thanks for the wiki cut&paste Can you differentiate between political grandstanding and reality?

      Ashraaf - 2012-02-22 15:21

      It seems the debate became a bit heated in my absence and perhaps to BA and the Idiot TheJayedKing who are to afraid to show their faces and hide behind their aliases is exactly the example of the Americans fighting a Proxy war on behalf of Israel. Yes I agree Ahmedinijad did talk about the Zionist that must be eliminated and I agree they are a threat to world peace. Read the "Protocol's of the Elders" they are radical and far removed from Judaism. Had Israel been a truly Jewish state they would have had peace with the Palestiniansa as they did for centuries before when the muslim world was the only place they could find sanctuary. INterestingly enough the zionist are quick to defend every point of view, they will let nothing slide. Every article every view expressed must be challenged if it is against the zionist state of Israel. The Atrocities for which they are guilty of in the Palestinian teritories is unspeakable, but they have managed to hijack mainstream media. Coming back to nuclear power, when the Soviets was at its peak and the iron curtain was in place America would think twice about invading another country. I hope China can become the super power that will challenge America and stem this one way flow of aggression. With regard to the syrian conflict, believe me everything is not as it seems. Listen to Press TV and Russia Today for an alternative view to give you a balanced idea what is really going on. Who is fuelling the violence and why.

      allcoveredinNinjas - 2012-02-22 15:24

      Ba- nice , denial of these statements will probably take the semantic 'out of context' defence. The Isreali/palestinian conflict is not over humanitarian but religious reasons, neither is it about territory . If Isreal was a Muslim state ? No problem and if its about territory then why aren't any of the other states born of the occupational mandates complaining either. Iran has been persuing a Nuclear weapons for some time now , they are in contravention of the NPT and have acquired weapons designs via dubious means (search AQ Khan). Its not about rights to have one , everyone has the right to drive but you still need a licence to exercise that right .

      TheJaydedKing - 2012-02-22 15:31

      Chris - Here is my contribution. I dont know you. Ive never met you. I have however spent some time in the middle east and most of what you are talking about it pure blind ignorance. Every state surrounding israel at some point or another has tried to wipe out israel. every single one of them. it makes no difference what some politician did say or didnt say, its what they intend to do regardless. iran sponsors terrorism, not only directed at israel or western countries but also against its neighbours. if iran has a nuclear weapons it will be a short matter of time until they or an accidental distribution to other terrorist groups use them. wake up dude.

      Chris - 2012-02-22 16:15

      TheJaydedKing - thanks for the effort. I too have spend time in the middle east but you are welcome to your opinion that I am speaking from a point of ignorance. Israel has been attacked many many times over the last 60 odd years, but to try and paint them as completely peaceful and without any blame, is just ridiculous. You seem to forget that Israel also came by its nuclear weaponry by dubious means. Israel, if it was willing to discuss its nuclear capabilities openly, would no doubt claim them as a powerful defensive weapon which brings peace and security to the region. And despite the bloody history which many could use to create an image of Israel as having an appetite for wiping out certain peoples, I haven't noticed too many people claim that Israel is desperate to press that button and kill millions. So why make such a claim about Iran? Also, what about Pakistan? They are in my opinion a far bigger source of nuclear proliferation in the area.

      Fred - 2012-02-22 16:24

      "The killing of innocent Arabs by the Americans and their friend". What are you talking about? You have to be more specific when making such a statement. "Nobody is making a fuss" about Israel having nuclear weapons because it is entirely defensive against the rogue regimes of the Middle East who have threatened to destroy it. These regimes are falling fast because their populations are tired of being lied to and not allowed to vote. Do you remember Apartheid? The rogue Iranian regime with nuclear weapons would be a threat to the world, not only Israel, and the Iranian people would in all probability be held hostage for longer by an entrenched regime.

      Fred - 2012-02-22 16:32

      Chris, the iranian regime absolutely has threatened to wipe Israel off the face of the earth on several occassions, and has denied the occurrence of the Holocaust, also on several occassions. The Imam's quote is clear as is its inhuman intent. Then, amazingly, they wonder why the world says no, puts sanctions on them, and their populations rise up and ovethrows them.

      Chris - 2012-02-22 16:34

      Fred, get back to work.

      BA - 2012-02-22 16:40

      Chris. If you really think that it is right to justify iran's words and actions, then good luck to you, but if you think that Israel should take your word for it that it's all just talk then you are naive, foolish and ignorant. So to criticize Israel for wanting to protect the lives of its people is just wrong. Ashraaf. I am no coward. Believe what you want. I note you have completely failed to answer any of my points, except to come up with the pathetically weak "oh it's all lies spread by Western media" rubbish. So you think 6000-7000 civilians murdered by the syrian govt is all just lies? Finally, the rest of your statement is just a vile, Jew-hating rant made up of lies, igorance and slander of the worst kind. But let me tell you two things. Firstly, if you think you can utter this Jew-hating racist slander and not have it challenged by Jews, then you are a bigger fool than I even initially thought. Secondly, the "Zionists" you speak of are probably 99% of all Jews, who believe in a Jewish state for Jews, leaving aside what the borders of that state should look like.

      Fred - 2012-02-22 16:41

      Ashraaf, again, you've allowed yourself to be manipulated and used by rogue, despotic, chauvinistic regimes who use the Palestinians to distract their populations from their disenfrachisement and hold onto power. You've done this because you have a core pseudo-victim, chauvinistic belief-system.

      BA - 2012-02-22 16:44

      Chris - I give you reputable quotes, and your response is thanks for the wiki cut and paste? Come on. Surely you can do better than that? When faced with the truth which clearly destroys your entire allegation, maybe an apology and a retractment would be better. At least I would respect you more.

      Chris - 2012-02-22 16:51

      BA - Youre building straw men now. You need to understand that no one here is an apologist to the Iranian regime. No one here denies that Assad is a murderous dictator either, how you got there is a mystery. The rest of your post is just a hyperbolic assertion based on very little fact.

      Chris - 2012-02-22 17:05

      Dear BA - I regret to inform you that your respect is the least of my concerns. You seem to deny that you just c&p'd straight from Wiki, it doesn't really bother me but it does cast some doubt over the depth of your insight into the crises we are facing in the middle east, again.

      TheJaydedKing - 2012-02-22 17:59

      Would rather have a jew with a nuke then a muslim known for sponsoring terrorism with one. hey what am i saying would rather have no nukes. pakistan can only sell their technology, they bought and stole much of it so its not like they can teach it, in addition to this they need it as a deterrent against india who is their biggest enemy by far.

      BA - 2012-02-22 18:25

      No Chris. I never affirmed or denied the sources of ahmadinejad's or the iranian government's statements about Israel. What I did, though, was disprove entirely your argument that iran has never called for the destruction of Israel. You cannot seriously argue that the statements quoted are a clear call for Israel to be destroyed. And just for your information, ignoramus, because hamas and iran refuse to recognize the right of Israel to exist, they refer to Israel as the Zionist regime, so don't tell me that they are not referring to Israel with regards the quoted statements.

      Fred - 2012-02-22 18:34

      Chris, the reality is women are being stoned to death in Iran by the violent chauvinistic regime that rigged the last election to hold into power and uses the Palestinians to justify its existence. This regime is about to be overthrown once Assad is gone.

      Chris - 2012-02-22 18:58

      TheJaydedKing - Pakistan has had a advanced nuclear weapons program since the 1970s, they've had nuclear power since the 60s. Pull your skirt down, your prejudice is showing. BA - No one is denying that many in the middle east would love to see Israel wiped off the map - literally. And Amadinnerjacket does play to this audience. Much like Stalin's threats to destroy the West and bring communism to the rest of the planet, how did that work our for them?

      Jaba - 2012-02-22 19:32

      Arabs kill more Arabs than any other group. religion of peace LOL

      BA - 2012-02-22 21:37

      Patrick just hates Jews. We get it.

      Fred - 2012-02-25 06:55


  • Ashraaf - 2012-02-22 18:04

    Just as I suspected, in my hour in GYM the Zionist responded no doubt. INcidentally your facts about most jews 99% are zionist is a lie. The fact that you follow Zionism which is an ideology and not a religion is beyond me. You should clearly make the distinction, perhaps you are not schooled in Zionism to understand it correctly. It's like apartheid, majority of whites voted for the Nats but today hardly any exist and for good reason in the old days it was to your benefit, today it's not so you change your spots. BA with regards to the media, you aware that journalist publish anything they here from the whitehouse as fact without verifying the facts. This is the same with the pentagon. If you look at the economic situation in the west it is a similar situation with lies and more lies being spewed by those whose trying to save this capitalist system which is destroying the working class. One by one they are falling, and yes the regimes that are falling in the middle east are the ones who assisted with the lies. WAR sells in fact media supports war it's good for business. Fred come on your naivity is so clear to see, everything you see and hear sounds like CNN. try some alternative channels to get a more balanced perspective of the middle east. It's like the americans they are so brain washed that they have a different CNN Channel which keeps them enslaved by the few in Wall Street. they the most ill-informed citizens about world affairs, think america is the wor

      Fred - 2012-02-22 18:13

      What a load of uneducated, uninformed rubbish.

      BA - 2012-02-22 18:17

      I never said that Zionism was a religion, you imbecile. Zionism is very simply a movement for the establishment and support of a national homeland for Jews in Palestine, now concerned chiefly with the development of the modern state of Israel. Therefore any Jew who supports the state of Israel is a zionist. I would say that there are extremely few Jews who do not support Israel as a Jewish homeland. That of course includes the 5 million Jews who live in Israel along with the 1 million arabs.

      Ashraaf - 2012-02-22 19:08

      I must have struck a sensitive cord and thanks for the lesson on Zionism and the falshood it portrays. There are many orthodox jews (Rabi's in particular) who feel and think differently, both in Israel and the States, many feel that fact that the state of israel is run by zionist has hijacked the jewish religion. Some even would go as far saying that the state of Israel should never have been brought about, because of the harm it caused. The nats also wanted establish homelands for bantus in this country clearly a failed strategy, now your true colours are coming out. Israel with it's walls is an apartheid state exactly what you still wanted in this country. question is why then as zionist don't you move there in support of apartheid. Deep in your heart of heart you know it's a lie. Jerusalem a hotbed of contention for Jew Arab and Christian, how long do you think Israel can hold onto it, 50 a 100 years perhaps, fact is there is only 5 million and many millions of arabs. If it wasn't for America, Israel would long have disappeared. America is weakening and the empire will fall, then what. The next 600 years again under muslim control. Make peace now, so that future generations can survive to live in peace. When Iran has nuclear weapons I am sure Israel will think twice about it's treatment of the Palestinians and perhaps then they will go to the negotiating table with true intentions. There are 1.5 billion muslims who all support Palestine. FACT

      Fred - 2012-02-22 19:14

      There are extremist Zionists, like there are extremist Islamists. The problem is that you position yourself in one camp, that of the Islamists, and completely overlook your sociopathic violence and hatred. In the stroke of a pen you call for the killing and maiming of millions of people. You completely overlook the fact that the regimes that have been creating and funding the Palestinian extremists are themselves unelected, despotic, chauvinistic and violent. So blind are you to this that you went through Apartheid, with its inhumanity and disenfranchisement, and don't see that the regimes themselves are unelected dictatorships responsible for killing, maiming, detaining, torture and rape of many, many more people than the inhuman Apartheid regime. Wake up Asharief. You're blind and your views are weak and irrelevant at present.

      Jaba - 2012-02-22 19:38

      hit your head on a dumbbell Ashraaf? anyways, truth is... If Arabs hate each other so much and are busy killing one another all over the Middle East i feel sorry for Israel, those who cant love their own brethren will never accept Israel, as small as it is, into their 'bloody' arab-winter neighbourhood.

      BA - 2012-02-22 21:27

      Patrick just hates Jews. We get it.

      BA - 2012-02-22 21:34

      Ashraaf you are such a hypocritical, racist, Jew-hater. Israel is not an apartheid state. arabs work and live whereever they want in Israel, own land whereever they want, vote, serve in the army, the courts, the cabinet, the parliament. Practice their religion. In palestinian territories, selling land to a Jew is punishable by death! In syria, there is no vote. In saudi arabia, here is no freedom of religion. In Sudan, the arabs have literally committed genocide against the Africans, killing hundreds and undreds of thousands and displacing a million. The arab states are the real apartheid states. In only 1 arab state - egypt - is there "democracy", and that has been brought about by a bloody revolution.

      Fred - 2012-02-25 06:56

      More foolishness

  • Joseph - 2012-02-22 19:04

    why should the Islamic republic allow this joke "agency" access to it military sites? When the Islamic Republic gave them the names of their nuclear scientists they were murdered in terrorist attacks by none other than the neo-nazi satanic zionist regime. why does the "agency think they should be allowed to examine Iran's defense strategy? If they really are against nuclear arms then hey would have a bone 2 grind with the 5 permanent members of the security more particularly the satanic washington mob(USA because they are the only ones who hav ever used nuclear weapons in a war. not forgetting the nazi zionist regime. Like is or not the ZIONIST REGIME WILL CEASE TO EXIST

      Fred - 2012-02-22 19:19

      Because it's not an Islamic Republic. Iran has been hijacked by a violent, chauvinistic regime that rigged the last elections and is funding terrorism to distract Iranians from their disenfranchisement. It is going to be overthrown once Assad is gone.

      Ashraaf - 2012-02-22 19:51

      Fred you are confused and know very little about Iran besides what you pickup on in western Media. Iran's election is more democratic than the 2 party state of the US where less than 50 percent of the population votes. All these dissidents in Iran are funded by the west, its an old trick. destabalise is the tricks and trade of the CIA. Secondly Assad is the President of Syria and Ahmadinijad is Irans Prime Minister. Now give it a rest and go and have supper, otherwise I invite you to come and have Roti and Curry at my house.

      Fred - 2012-02-22 21:05

      Thanks for the navigation Ashraaf! I love roti and curry and I'm sure they're very good at your house. I feel your love. It's beautiful. Thank you. Iran's last election was rigged and adjusted by Ahmedinejad, the Ayahtolla's and their cronies. This will become clear in next month's election. "All these dissidents in Iran are funded by the West"? I suppose the 100 million Muslims in Tunisia, Egypt and Libya who have freed themselves from decades of despotic, self-serving, even psychotic rule are also funded by the West. Ashraaf, no offense, but that's very immature thinking, and plain wrong. The Assad family has been in unelected power in Syria for decades too. And now when Syrians want nothing more than the right to vote and greater freedom, he shoots six thousand of them, mainly with sniper-fire, detains and tortures tens of thousands more. Is this the kind of "President" you want, after having gone through Apartheid? You really are blinding yourself, Ashraaf. Wake up!!

      Fred - 2012-02-22 21:07

      Patrick, that's more confirmation that you're tuned into a less-than true reality.

      Fred - 2012-02-22 21:07

      Ashraaf, that should be "invitation".

      BA - 2012-02-22 21:45

      PAtrick I bet you're glad to support Joseph's comments huh?

      BA - 2012-02-22 21:45

      PAtrick I bet you're glad to support Joseph's comments huh?

      Fred - 2012-02-25 07:00

      Yet you support the messages of swastika-baring bloggers. Doesn't make sense. Neither do just about all your posts. Israel can take of herself and has the unequivocal support of the world's developed countries. The Jewish people survived near-extermination and came out of that experience with extraordinary resolve, so much so that she defeated the Arab regimes twice in the 1960's who together threatened her existence and invaded her (which you overlook of course). SO wrong are you that your thoughts are inconsequential.

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