North Korean 'collapse' awaited

2010-11-30 11:00

Beijing - Leaked US diplomatic cables show China's frustration with communist ally North Korea and speculate Beijing would accept a future Korean peninsula unified under South Korean rule, according to the documents released by whistleblowing website WikiLeaks.

The memos posted online by media organisations indicate the enormous import American and South Korean diplomats place on China's attitude toward the future survival of the isolated and impoverished hard-line communist regime in Pyongyang.

The release of the documents follows new tensions in the region with North Korea unleashing a fiery artillery barrage on a South Korean island that killed four people a week ago. The regime also warned that joint US-South Korean naval drills this week had pushed the peninsula to the "brink of war".

China "would be comfortable with a reunified Korea controlled by Seoul and anchored to the US in a 'benign alliance' as long as Korea was not hostile towards China", then-South Korean vice-foreign minister, Chun Yung-woo, is quoted as telling US ambassador to South Korea Kathleen Stephens in February.

Chinese officials are also quoted as using mocking language in reference to North Korea, pointing to tensions between the two neighbours in contrast to official statements underscoring strong historical ties.

Then-Deputy Foreign Minister He Yafei is quoted as telling a US official in April 2009 that Pyongyang was acting like a "spoiled child" by staging a missile test in an attempt to achieve its demand of bilateral talks with Washington.

US presence unwelcome

China is also preparing to handle any outbreaks of unrest along its border with North Korea that could follow a collapse of the regime. Chinese officials say they could deal with up to 300 000 refugees but might have to seal the border to maintain order, the memos said, citing an unidentified representative of an international aid group.

The diplomatic cables warned, however, that China would not accept the presence of US troops north of the demilitarised zone that currently forms the border between the two Koreas.

US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton asserted on Monday that WikiLeaks acted illegally in posting the material. Officials around the world have said the disclosure jeopardises national security, diplomats, intelligence assets and relationships between foreign governments.

Britain's the Guardian newspaper and The New York Times were among five international media organisations to receive the documents in advance.

China has largely rebuffed calls to use its influence to force Pyongyang to moderate its behaviour, while opposing harsh economic sanctions or international censure. Beijing has responded to the latest crises by repeating calls for a return to long-stalled, six-nation denuclearisation talks that the North has rejected.

  • Pop Idol - 2010-11-30 12:28

    Why can North Korea not be annexed by China? Why is there a need for a unified South Korea? I pray for the day of the demise of the American Imperialist empire.

      PerciusJcksn - 2010-11-30 12:38

      ....U mean a unifed Korea not South Korea.... and Annexed .... assumed North Korea was a Socialistic Country Under Its own rule but allied with China which share similar economice and political value...

      PerciusJcksn - 2010-11-30 12:38

      ....U mean a unifed Korea not South Korea.... and Annexed .... assumed North Korea was a Socialistic Country Under Its own rule but allied with China which share similar economice and political value...

      Ralph - 2010-11-30 13:01

      Pop Idol, when you have lived in South Korea and really know what is going on then you can comment!! You have no idea what is going on here and the suffering that North Korean people are going through under their maniac leader. Most North Koreans have family here in South Korea and not in China. I salute the South Koreans for showing restraint in the face of EXTREME provocation. The Americans you hate so much are here to help and are not the Imperialist Empire you make them out to be. So, to sum up.... until you have been here and really know the history of what is happening, please reserve your degrading remarks to yourself !!!!!!

      Pop Idol - 2010-11-30 13:57

      @Ralph,,America cares about nobody except its own government officials.It cannot even look after its own people who are now homeless,cant find work,an influx of illegal immigrants committing crime all over the show.It attacked Iraq,and maimed,blinded and murdered many civilians.Why are they interested in a unified Korea? They simply want to place their nukes there,facing China,in other words,they wanna extend their influence.America needs a war from China and Russia to put it back in its place.

      Pop Idol - 2010-11-30 13:59

      @PerciusJcksn ,Yes sorry,I meant unified Korea,excuse the typo..I dont see any problems with North Korea being annexed by China,and why does the USA and UK want democracy in China and North Korea? The political situation there has NOTHING to do with them.

      pointblankza - 2010-11-30 15:13

      Pop Idol, you speaking from a place a sheer ignorance. You say America must butt out as it has nothing to do with them, of course it does. If you have a country that claims to have nuclear missles pointed at you and your allies then it has everything to do with them. People in North Koera are impoverished, starving and ruled by a maniac despot, how as a human being can you allow that to continue?

      Ralph - 2010-11-30 23:50

      I agree 100% with pointblankza, you have no idea what you are talking about. I am here in Seoul and have been for the last two years and have done some extensive research into the whole situation and spoken to a wide range of Korean citizens. They are so appreciative of America's help and do not see them as the ogre you paint them. You should be condemning Kim Jong il for his gross human violations and leave America alone. I want to add that I am no big fan of America, but I can see the good they are doing here in Asia and seeing to it that you in far away South Africa don't oneday have to worry about nukes being dropped on you by that maniac and his family. So, please come here and experience what I have and then you can criticise if you still wish too!!!!

      Pop Idol - 2010-12-01 01:08

      @Ralph,,America hs to much "allies",it just uses them to gain a foothold in critical parts of the globe to secure their own well being.Look at Iraq,it was once a US ally,just like Bin Laden was.South Korea walks it like the USA talks it...To hell with America,Let China sort out the problem since China is ACTUALLY situated in Asia...Time for America to die !

      Ralph - 2010-12-01 06:55

      You are such a bitter person. I just hope one day your eyes will be opened and just to finish off, I feel no shame at all!!

      Ingwe - 2010-12-01 20:59

      Pop Idol I have never read as much drivel as what you are writing. You really do need to get a reality check on what is happening in the world

  • Mundu - 2010-11-30 15:48

    Boycott Chinese made goods until they pull NK into line.

  • Pop Idol - 2010-12-01 01:08

    @Ralph,,America hs to much "allies",it just uses them to gain a foothold in critical parts of the globe to secure their own well being.Look at Iraq,it was once a US ally,just like Bin Laden was.South Korea walks it like the USA talks it...To hell with America,Let China sort out the problem since China is ACTUALLY situated in Asia...Time for America to die !

      Ralph - 2010-12-01 02:00

      Wow, it is pointless trying to have a discussion with you because you are so blinded by your hate for America that you fail to think rationally. China has no family connections with North Korea. The Korean War of the 1950's tore Korean families apart and now many of them, North and South want unification so they can get back together again, but that maniac Kim Jong il and his equally crazy son will do anything to cling to power. You have no clue of the human rights abuses done by him and his followers. The people of North Korea are starving and if it were not for the US and S.Korea's food aid they would die in droves. Please lay aside your personal hatred for America and have a look at what is really happening here. Come here and take a tour of the National Museum here and see what N.Korea and China did here in the 1950's and perhaps you will change your tune. America has made no efforts to 'take over' S.Korea, which they could have easily done after the war, but instead they stayed here and helped build S.Korea up to what it is today, the 12th largest economy in the world. Please open your eyes!!!!

      Pop Idol - 2010-12-01 03:06

      @Ralph,,The people of North Korea are suffering because of the sanctions YOUR buddies placed onto them,the same buddies of yours that placed sanctions onto Iraq,Zimbabwe and Iran..YOUR friends are causing people to suffer.If sanctions were lifted off North Korea,people wouldnt be strugging.Why is democracy so important for the USA to flourish in North Korea? Because its a way and means that the USA and UK can infiltrate a foreign government by setting up enemy agents right inside the North Korean government,and this is also why David Camerom wants democracy to flourish in China as well,cause they are SCARED of China.Come now,we all know South Korea fired the first shot last week.If your aggression continues I hope North Korea sends a few nukes to South Korea as an early Xmas present,itll serve your friends right for all the harm they cause across the globe.Just look at Zimbabwe,your buddies placed sanctions onto them,sold their currency rendering it worthless,and now South Africa has to sit with a refugee problem.

      Ralph - 2010-12-01 04:30

      As I said, it is pointless trying to reason with you because you are blinded by hate and speak from far away where you have no clue of what is going on. By the way, North Korea fired the first shots, not South Korea. Americans are not my buddies, I merely keep an open mind and I can see and experience what is going on here, you can't because you are not here. I am a loyal South African, by the way.

      Pop Idol - 2010-12-01 04:55

      @Ralph ,So now YOU are an authority just because 1.) u are indoctrinated with American ideaology,and 2.)because u live there...People that lived in SA during apartheid,doesnt make them authorities either as unbiased information makes one an authority..i dont care if you are a south african (dont know why u even told me that crap,as if i care) or not,fact is,is that your buddies,the south koreans started this crap.Doesnt sound like u have an open mind,and that America needs to keep its military industry back home,to make the shareholders rich,going,,,hence the reason for all these American wars.Like i said,lets hope North Korea sends a few nukes to south korea,and u know what,,,serves them RIGHT...SANCTIONS OFF NORTH KOREA,SANCTIONS OFF ZIMBABWE,SANCTIONS OFF IRAN,dayum pointless argueing with people like you.

      Ralph - 2010-12-01 05:02

      It is interesting for me to note too that you are quick to point out the so called 'atrocities' committed by America and conveniently ignore the atrocities carried out by Mugabe. He had thousands murdered and their bodies thrown into disused mine shafts and he continues to abuse his citizens and then you have the gall to lay the blame at other countries feet. Perhaps you are a friend of old Bob??? You also choose to ignore the atrocities being carried out by Kim Jong il as we speak and again perhaps your a mate of his too. I have tried to explain to you before, but you seem incapable of understanding that North and South Korea were one nation before the Korean war and therefore China has NOTHING in common in terms of families. I think they have a responsibility as a super power in Asia to promote peace on the Korean Peninsula but have failed to make a stand and therefore it has been left up to America to step in and try to keep the peace here. The sanctions you talk about, are not food and oil sanctions and despite extreme provocation, South Korea continues to donate rice, medical supplies and oil to North Korea. Do yourself a big favour, get on an aeroplane and come here to Seoul and see what I am talking about instead of sitting behind your computer thousands of kilometres away and spewing your Anti-US venom!!!

      Pop Idol - 2010-12-01 05:19

      @Ralph,America has harmed MORE people than Mugabe has,yet they get viewed as heroes.Many people still get born with birth defects in Japan and Vietnam because your buddies,the USA.If Korea should become one nation again,then the North should annex the South,why do u and your buddies want it the other way? The Korean situation has NOTHING to do with the USA,why wont u accept this fact? If America really cared about Zimbabweans then they would have assasinated Mugabe,but instead they impose painful sanctions onto Zimbabwe.Im sure if Zimbabwe had oil and gas reservers,Mugabe would have been ancient history already. Nothing is ever "left to America to sort out".Theyre only interested in themselves and THEIR security. U can await a nuke attack from North Korea,and tell your buddies to mind their own dayum business

      Ralph - 2010-12-01 05:31

      Pointless to continue this. Have a nice day and do take the time to come here!!!

      Pop Idol - 2010-12-01 05:49

      @Ralph,,u support america,the VERY america that placed sanctions onto apartheid south africa,forcing your very own white people to become subject to job exclusion,crime and brutal farm attacks instead of re-issueing them with their EU passports or US greencards for their own safety?? shame on you,,SHAME ON YOU !

      Ralph - 2010-12-01 06:59

      You are such a bitter person. I hope one day your eyes will be opened and you can really see what is going on. To end off, I feel no shame !!!

      Pop Idol - 2010-12-01 07:09

      @Ralph,,People who support the USA also support murder in the Third World.My eyes have gone open ages ago,I hope and trust in the name of Jesus,that your eyes will also go open. DEATH TO AMERICA !

      Ralph - 2010-12-01 07:37

      I am sure Jesus supports your 'Death to America', I think not!!!

      Pop Idol - 2010-12-01 07:51

      @Ralph,, Jesus supports ANYONE who is against murdering innocent civilians just like your buddy,the USA..In case u are to blind to realise this,but,tomorrow you could very well be dead,due to a nuke,because of your support of the terrorist country called,the USA,who wants to expand its empire through its sock puppet called South Korea.Either leave North Korea alone,or South Korea must be annexed by the North so that peace can come about..So keep on supporting the USA,but u will have to answer to the Lord above as to why you supported a terrorist country called,the USA.

      Ralph - 2010-12-01 08:10

      Well, I have my opinion based on experience here and you have yours, so just let's just agree to disagree and leave it at that. Have a good day.

      Pop Idol - 2010-12-01 08:53

      @Ralph: It has NOTHING to do with "so just let's just agree to disagree" Its gotta do with u hearing they blew up a city 1000km from where u are,and then u realising what a mistake u and people like u have made. ACCEPT north korea,RESPECT their borders and LIFT those sanctions,THEN u will have peace. As for now,its written in the stars,tonight,maybe tomorrow night,u will look into the sky and see something that looks like a satellite,but its not,KABOOOM is what awaits you.

      Ralph - 2010-12-01 09:02

      As I said, you are a bitter man. Just hope one day you won't feel like this but I sincerely doubt it. That's all from me now. Have a good day.

      Oryx_ZA - 2010-12-01 13:16

      HAHAHAH…pop idol….you are an idiot. Let me explain to you why America has every right to pressure North Korea. The economies between the East and West are intrinsically linked, with America and China representing each. If trade between China and America alone were to stop, the world economy would COMPLETELY collapse; making the recession seems like the “good times”. If the north were to send a nuke to Soule, Japan or anywhere for a fact, the best case scenario would be an economic stall, while the worst being World War 3. How would this affect you? Well South Africa would be unable to export because all buyers would retreat, imports would at least double (because most of our imports come directly or indirectly from the east (including Seoul), and all our jobs are then placed at risk. Both China and America simply want a stable Asia, so that economic growth is not interrupted by some loon with a nuke. So if I were you, I would hope for the collapse of north Korea.

      Pop Idol - 2010-12-01 14:44

      @Oryx_ZA,,,Before u call me an idiot,first learn to spell properly.Its spelt Seoul and NOT Soule as u spelt it. Basically what is happening,is that the USA and other powerful countries are carving the world up for THEMSELVES,u hear that ? Not for me or you,but for THEMSELVES. If it takes a WW3 to settle things,then go for it.If they bomb North Korea even though it has minded its own business,then BOTH North and South Korea must vanish from the worlds map. North Korea must annex South Korea.

      Oryx_ZA - 2010-12-01 18:40

      Ha ha, I would rather spell like a 3 year old then think like one. America is the largest economy and they are currently the world power/ “empire”…I agree but remember empires develop their territories. Rome developed Britain, or then Briton, Napoleon developed Europe and compared to previous empires going back to roman times America is one of the better ones, especially with how they treat “non-Americans. You concentrate on their negative side, and they have done a lot that I do disagree with. However, you seem to ignore the fact that the American government and its people are the single largest contributors to world aid. To such an extent that I would not be surprised if their humanitarian aid provided by the US outweighs the rest of the globe combined. Finally, if North Korea were to attack the South, would you REALLY be comfortable with the world as a whole doing nothing while Millions of innocent people would be pointless killed?

      Ingwe - 2010-12-01 21:04

      Pop Idol you really are one very sick individual. Well said Ralph

      Ralph - 2010-12-02 00:08

      @Ingwe, thanks for the support. I cannot understand such hatred coming from one individual. He glibly uses God's name in an attempt to justify his hatred, when clearly the Bible speaks otherwise. I am of the opinion that something happened to him in the past that made him hate America so much. I suggest the following: 1. He applied for a Green Card and was refused. 2. He had an American wife/girlfriend who dumped him. 3. His Ford broke down once too many times. 4. He is a Communist. 5. He is disturbed. 6. All of the above. I am so sorry that he spends his time spreading hatred like this and is so blinded by it that he is unable to distinguish good from evil. I hope that one day he finds peace, because unlike him, I don't wish harm on anyone, no matter what their beliefs or deeds.

      Pop Idol - 2010-12-02 00:54

      @Ralph,,1.) I dont want a greencard and never applied for one 2.) I never had an American wife or gf 3.)I dont drive American cars LOL 4.)Im not a communist,as communists dont believe in God 5.)Im 100% normal,just because you are indoctrinated with propaganda,doesnt make me or anyone else disturbed 6.)I am surprised to see you are still alive.Maybe tomorrow you will perish DEATH TO AMERICA ! DEATH TO SOUTH KOREA !

      Pop Idol - 2010-12-02 00:58

      @Oryx_ZA,I know u dont wanna think like a 3 yr old,thats why you think and write like a 2 yr old. USA is the largest contributor to world aid,so what? Its the largest economy and they didnt get their through hard work.U had the british empire once,was this achieved through hard work? HELL NO,they exploited natives in all their colonies and took their raw materials and shipped it off to the UK.With the USA having inherited this title of super power from the UK,it has done exactly the same.WHerever oil is to be found,there u will find the USA,if its shipping lanes get threatened,hey hey hey,the USA pops up ready to "help" people,but its not,its just looking after its own interest.South Korea must be nuked,its a sock pupper of the USA.

      Ralph - 2010-12-02 01:55

      You are truly one unhappy and twisted individual. You say you believe in God but you write things like, 'Death to America, Death to South Korea' Sad, so sad. God is a God of love in case you missed that.

      Ingwe - 2010-12-02 04:11

      Ralph I love point 3 LOL but I think you hit the nail on the head it is all of the above and then maybe some

      Ingwe - 2010-12-02 04:14

      Pop Idol Please can you explain to me what at Sock Pupper is. Maybe you should proof read your drivel before you post it.

  • Pop Idol - 2010-12-02 02:29

    @Ralph,,,yeah thats what happening when your American buddies force their will onto other nations.God loves peace and I love peace,but what I hate is when your imperialist buddies harm the lives of others in distant yeah,,,lets hope a nuke explodes 1000km away from u so u can catch a wake up.

      Ingwe - 2010-12-02 04:10

      Pop Idol you are a sick, twisted individual who should seek help. It saddens me that there are people like you running around out there hiding behind god yet spewing such hatred. You remind me of certain individuals that use the Koran to justify their evil ways and hatred.

      Ralph - 2010-12-02 05:54

      @Ingwe. I think we should stop engaging with POP IDOL as he is a lost cause and then we can engage on a higher intellectual level. It is refreshing to talk with someone like you and perhaps we can focus on more important issues than a rambling fanatic. I would love to chat about issues like how we can unite the people of our beautiful country so that all can live there in peace and harmony. I wish you a pleasant day and look forward to talking to you soon.

      Pop Idol - 2010-12-02 06:23

      @Ralph,what are u doing in South Korea anyway? Working? Get out of that peoples country for crying out loud and leave their politics alone.Concern yourself with brutal farm killings in South Africa instead of trying to annex North Korea,which has NOTHING to do with you.This might be the last we speak,cause you could be toast in 5 hours.

      Ralph - 2010-12-02 07:24

      What I am doing here has nothing to do with you and I have finished saying all I have to say to you because you are a sad, twisted person and I refuse to waste anymore time and energy on someone as bitter as you. I prefer to spend my time with positive people who try to better the world instead of encouraging others to nuke countries that don't agree with them. I wish you well.

      Pop Idol - 2010-12-02 07:38

      @Ralph,,u have been saying goodbye to me and,calling me a twisted person for TWO days already. I hope u get bombed first and that u lay next to the "star spangled banner" with your imperialist mentality and THEN get nuked.Hands OFF north korea DEATH TO SOUTH KOREA

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