Norway gunman calm, expects life in jail

2011-07-25 22:12

Oslo - The self-described perpetrator of the mass killings in Norway told authorities there that he expects to spend the rest of his life in prison but two other cells in his terror network could still launch attacks, officials said on Monday.

Anders Behring Breivik has admitted bombing Norway's capital and opening fire on a political youth group retreat, but he entered a plea of not guilty, saying he acted to save Europe from Muslim immigration.

Prosecutor Christian Hatlo told reporters that Breivik was very calm and "seemed unaffected by what has happened". He said Breivik told investigators during his interrogation that he never expected to be released.

Breivik alluded to two other "cells" in a network he describes as a new Knights Templar, the medieval crusaders who protected Christian pilgrims in the Holy Land.

Norwegian police think gunman Anders Behring Breivik is probably a lone wolf, a view also held by some researchers who cast doubt on his claim that he was working with two other cells.

Breivik told a court on Monday that two cells of collaborators were in his "Knights Templar" group that aimed to "save" Europe from Muslims.

Earlier, Breivik maintained he acted alone.

Police attorney Christian Hatlo told reporters on Monday he "cannot completely, and I stress completely, rule out that others were involved in what happened."

Low credibility

But police say privately that they think more cells are unlikely although security services are checking with their international partners about potential foreign links.

"We feel that the accused has fairly low credibility when it comes to this claim but none of us dare to be completely dismissive about it either," a source close to the investigation told Reuters.

At one point, a manifesto he released shortly before the attack briefly refers to an intention to contact two other cells - a term he says refers to "small, autonomous groups" led by individual commanders.

Police announced, meanwhile, that they had dramatically over counted the number of people slain in a shooting spree at a political youth group's island retreat and were lowering the confirmed death toll from 86 to 68.

The overall toll in the attack now stands at 76 instead of 93. Police spokesperson Oystein Maeland said that higher, erroneous figure emerged as police and rescuers were focusing on helping survivors and securing the area, but he did not immediately explain more about how the over counting occurred.

Police also raised the toll from a bombing outside the government's headquarters in Oslo before the shooting spree, from seven to eight.

Police missteps

The dramatic reduction in death toll adds to a list of police missteps: They took 90 minutes to arrive at the island from the first shot, and people who called emergency services have reported being told by operators to stay off the lines unless they're calling about the Oslo bombings.

Peaceful, liberal Norway has been stunned by the bombing in downtown Oslo and the shooting massacre at a youth camp outside the capital, which the suspect said were intended to start a revolution to inspire Norwegians to retake their country from Muslims and other immigrants.

He blames liberals for championing multiculturalism over Norway's "indigenous" culture.

Police have said Breivik used two weapons during the rampage - both of which were bought legally, according to the manifesto. A doctor treating victims told The Associated Press that the gunman used illegal "dum-dum"-style bullets designed to disintegrate inside the body and cause maximum internal damage.

The court ordered Breivik held for eight weeks while prosecutors investigate, four of which will be in isolation, saying Breivik could tamper with evidence if released.

Typically, the accused is brought to court every four weeks while prosecutors prepare their case, so a judge can approve his continued detention. Longer periods are not unusual in serious cases.

Reporters and locals had thronged the courthouse ahead of the hearing, hoping for their first glimpse of Breivik since the assault. When one car drove through the crowd, people hit its windows and one person shouted an expletive, believing Breivik was inside.

But Breivik appears to have been taken through a back entrance, and the judge closed the hearing, denying him a platform to air his extremist views.

Court theatre

Breivik made clear in an internet manifesto that he planned to turn his court appearance into theatre, preparing a speech for his appearance in court even before launching the attacks, then requesting an open hearing in which he would wear a uniform. Both of those requests were denied.

The judge also denied his request to wear a uniform, saying, "allowing him to do so... would be an affront to everybody's dignity, and would seem unnecessarily distracting, provocative and offensive".

The suspect has said he staged the bombing and youth camp rampage as "marketing" for his manifesto calling for a revolution that would rid Europe of Muslims.

"The operation was not to kill as many people as possible but to give a strong signal that could not be misunderstood that as long as the Labour Party keeps driving its ideological lie and keeps deconstructing Norwegian culture and mass importing Muslims then they must assume responsibility for this treason," according to the English translation of Judge Kim Heger's ruling that was read out after the hearing.

European security officials said they were aware of increased internet chatter from individuals claiming they belonged to the Knights Templar group and were investigating claims that Breivik, and other far-right individuals, attended a London meeting of the group in 2002.

The 1 500-page manifesto provides insight into the psychology and planning of the paranoid, self-aggrandising Breivik.

After weaving through a history of European philosophy, Breivik describes in detail his preparations, including how he bought armour, guns, tons of fertilizer and other bomb components, stashed caches of weapons and wiped his computer hard drive - all while evading police suspicion and being nice to his neighbours.

One of those purchases appears to have been flagged by Norway's police security service. The PST says it was alerted in March to a suspicious purchase of an undisclosed product from a Polish chemical firm by Breivik.

Half mast

Janne Kristiansen, the chief of PST, told national broadcaster NRK that the $22 transaction set off an alert because the company was already under scrutiny.

But the transaction was legal and PST would have needed additional information to investigate further.

In his manifesto, Breivik describes a purchase of sodium nitrite from Poland, saying he "was concerned about customs seizing the package... but it appears this didn't happen."

It was not immediately clear if that was the purchase flagged.

Earlier on Monday, Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg led the mourning nation in a minute of silence, standing on the steps of an Oslo university next to a flame.

The king and queen stood by as well, and neighbouring countries Denmark and Sweden also joined in the remembrance.

Signs of normality began to return to Oslo. A wide police cordon around the bomb site was lifted on the first workday since the attacks, leaving just a narrower zone closed off.

Most shops were open and trams were rumbling through the city's streets.

Father ashamed

But the flag on the courthouse where Breivik appeared remained at half mast.

Meanwhile, in an interview with Swedish tabloid Expressen, the suspect's father said he was ashamed and disgusted by his son's acts and wished he had committed suicide.

"I don't feel like his father," said former diplomat Jens David Breivik from his secluded home in southern France.

"How could he just stand there and kill so many innocent people and just seem to think that what he did was OK? He should have taken his own life too. That's what he should have done."

Breivik said he first learned the news of his son's attacks from media websites. "I couldn't believe my eyes. It was totally paralysing and I couldn't really understand it."

"I will have to live with this shame for the rest of my life. People will always link me with him," he said.

Jens David Breivik said he had severed all contact with his son in 1995 when the latter was 16.

Police surrounded the suspect's father's house in the south of France on Monday. They initially said they were searching the premises, but later said they were there to ensure public order.

Journalists were outside the property.

  • Warslat - 2011-07-25 22:32

    One of those trapdoor\neckstretcher devices would be so much better for him

      Liberty - 2011-07-26 01:25

      Yeah he should serve his entire life sentence in one of those

      Grayman - 2011-07-26 06:37

      Too easy an option. The trouble with the jails in Norway is that they are too comfortable. Imagine if he were to serve his sentence in a Zimbabwe jail!

      malf*k - 2011-07-26 07:48

      pappa wag vir hom

      Dominic - 2011-07-26 08:23

      @Grayman - Trouble is also that in Norway the maximum prison sentence is only 21 years.

      Gorilla - 2011-07-26 08:48

      A jail in Iraq or Afghanistan would be ironic.

      LBS - 2011-07-26 12:09

      His life in prison will not be so bad. His father severed all contact with him since he was 16? There was a problem with him in his childhood perhaps?

      LBS - 2011-07-26 12:12

      Sorry, that link seems to be incorrect. But apparently that prison is like a hotel!

  • Kate Francis - 2011-07-25 22:51

    That's probably why he's so fu*ked up!!! Co's his father deserted him as a kid. If his father had stuck around and given the man some guidance maybe this could've been avoided. Can't believe the father is trying to save his own skin by saying he severed all contact with his if that makes it okay.

      Warslat - 2011-07-25 23:30

      That's it blame the father. Obviously this guy has been rotten for a long time and his father recognised it earlier than most other people. Laws these days make kids untouchable masters over their parents. Blame the laws that prevent parents beating some sense\guidance into individuals like this before it's too late.

      OZNOB - 2011-07-25 23:44

      have you ever saked why his father lost contact with him at sixteen? the guy has himself to blame for the choices that he made. i just feel sorry for the parents who now have to live with the stigma of what their son has done

      Liberty - 2011-07-26 01:28

      You can't blame the father. You have kids the world over growing up without both parents and they don't turn out to be mass murderers.

      patch - 2011-07-26 08:44

      Really Kate? A father leaving at 16 is a direct link, in your opinion, to Christian fundamentalism and screwed up idealogies? You probably support the notion that computer games helped him with his violence. Similarly then every Al-queda and Taliban soldier's fathers also left when they were 16? I wonder where all these vagrant fathers go to then? No Kate, I don't think you're right on that one. At most a peripheral contributing factor to anxiety perhaps, but you don't get that psycho with daddy issues. I feel this is a prime example of religion, again, screwing things up for innocent people.

  • Hochang - 2011-07-25 23:05

    I wonder where is his mother!

      Balsakhater - 2011-07-26 13:34

      reloading the guns

  • Veld66 - 2011-07-25 23:38

    Barend Strydom s friend in hatred

  • NZdreamer - 2011-07-26 00:51

    He seems a smug SOB, doesn't he!! LIFE? What a treat! Fry him in the chair!! What a COWARD!!

  • Bismuth - 2011-07-26 01:00

    I think that they should drop him on a deserted tropical island, and let the families of the victims and survivors hunt him down. Heck, you could have it sponsored and donate the takings to charity.

  • Geo - 2011-07-26 04:37

    This poor guy was just fed up with all the foreigners invading his country. Look at South Africa! We sit with a worst problem. Viva Xenophobia!

      FearoPhobia - 2011-07-26 08:00

      I hope you're being sarcastic

      Dan - 2011-07-26 09:13

      @ FearoPhobia. I don't think GEo is sarcastic at all. Looking at our own situation at home, he is spot on. This could happen here any day as well. Our "lovely" kindergarden constitution allows way to much room for far right and far left groupings, their views and their freedom of speach. We are also sitting on another time bomb and the ANCYL is pouring petrol over it on a daily basis with their idiotic views/expressions. We in SA should also be very concerned inmy view. It sometimes takes a small thing and the wrong time to push certain idiots over the edge.

      Balsakhater - 2011-07-26 13:45

      @ FearoPhobia - People r violently robbed, gunned down throat slit and raped every day here in our sunny South Africa. I personally think it is a miracle that something like this has not happened in RSA yet. Just think – coming home from a hard days work to pay your taxes and look after your family to find your wife naked / raped and throat slit for a cell phone and DVD player. Your children shot execution style. How people r not loosing there minds and going on killing spree’s for retribution is a miracle.

  • Siener2 - 2011-07-26 06:29

    "...he expects to spend the rest of his life in prison." I say surprise the smug bast@rd and slowly torture him to death.

  • Sage - 2011-07-26 06:37

    The biggest mistake the police made with this lunatic was to take him into custody. They Should have shot him on the spot and be done with it. Now there will be a trial, media attention, and an opportunity to attain martyr status as he languishes in prison at the expense of his victims' survivors.

  • apie - 2011-07-26 07:13

    This type of crime will happen more often as genuine europeans are getting tired of their countries and cultures being taken over by muslims and africans.

      pierreedge - 2011-07-26 11:36

      That's exactly what hitler said about the jews last century, you probably like him too secretly

      lungelo mpatho - 2011-07-26 14:31

      hey ape(y): what of "genuine" human kind....and God's world?!?

  • thabatao - 2011-07-26 07:20

    Come think of it. When the Church street bomb exploded in Pretoria in the early eighties, Norway was one of the countries to praise the ANC for what they did. They actually gave the ANC more money to plan more attacks and terror attacks. The wheel turned on them. Now they feel what we felt when we lost friends and loved ones. What you sow, you reap.

      stuart.steedman - 2011-07-26 07:28

      You got some proof to back that statement up? Or is this coming from the Department of Something My Bud Once Told Me In A Pub?

      malf*k - 2011-07-26 07:51

      bloody agent

      Sakkie - 2011-07-26 08:15

      So true!!

  • Salomé - 2011-07-26 07:25

    Well I would rather say, parents please sit up and take notice. The dad had no contact with his son since the age of 16, I don't say what he did was right, but I do think that mentally there is something wrong with him and maybe that is why the dad put the distance between him and his son I, don't know, but when you the parent, you should stimulate your child from day one, and continue with your attention and love until the end. Some people just cannot deal with that kind of rejection. If your dad shows you that your life is not important, you will not see others lives as important either.

  • ChumScrubber - 2011-07-26 07:35

    Looney. Something that should be considered is discouraging kids from being political, leave that part of life for adulthood. I remember attending an AWB meeting in the 90's and seeing all the small kids in uniforms. Its disgusting, no parent has the right to indoctrinate children like that. (I attended out of inquisitiveness by the way) If these kids had been on a normal holiday not associated with a political party, there would have been no motive for this looney.

      1boer1taxi - 2011-07-26 08:33

      why the fkcu are my comments being deleted. Get a life media freedom

      patch - 2011-07-26 08:53

      " considered is discouraging kids from being political..." Does this logic extend to kids becoming religious too? Because that's what the problem is here. He wasn't protesting against skin colour. He was making a stand against Islam. Religion is way way way more dangerous than any political agenda.

  • munchies - 2011-07-26 07:43

    They should make him play Russian Roulette with himself every Monday. And for the first 10 weeks not put any bullets into the gun. That way he will suffer and eventually pay for his crime!

  • Xram62 - 2011-07-26 07:48

    53 Murders per day in South Africa...and no-one says a word. 68 people killed in Oslo...and it's on the front pages of every newspaper in the world, and on the News bulletins of every international TV station. Why?

      Flee - 2011-07-26 08:20

      Apples and pears you chop...

      Barry M - 2011-07-26 11:05

      Flee - why don't you just p!ss off you monolithically ignorant little turd!

      pierreedge - 2011-07-26 11:39

      How many per day in the USA??? in Brazil?? in Russia?? in the world?? If you cant understand that a mass murder based on hate is different from regular crime take some vitamins maybe

  • VP - 2011-07-26 07:50

    He is merely following in the ANC footsteps,you dont like something blow it up, They did in 1983. Now they are Saints. Pitty the SAP took people into custody in the 1960's and did not shoot first. They took great care of them did not allow them to rot, best food, best doctors, best education, even had kids while in prison. Oh by the way 1 Norwegian = 6 Boer = 100's MK !

      1boer1taxi - 2011-07-26 08:34

      Legend Boet

  • Cyberfriend - 2011-07-26 07:51

    Good Morning all,I have heard that the nights templars later became known as the free masons bloody cult that want to establish a new world order ie I think to rule the world and the only obstacle is Islam stands in their way,can anyone shed some more light please?

  • cromagnon - 2011-07-26 08:53

    Nothing less than lifelong extreme discomfort for him. Apparently sleep deprivation and loooong term isolation is worse than a few days of physical torture.

  • Tommy - 2011-07-26 09:05

    Set the dickhead free - mob justice works just great!

  • Dan - 2011-07-26 09:06

    This is what happens to "over-liberalized" people. We are heading in the same direction when listening to the youth talking in general (conservative & liberal) and especially individuals in the ANCYL. We are already sitting with an entire generation without hardly any respect, a poor education, super liberal views and very little hope. This could happen in SA any day as well.

  • Bra Pat - 2011-07-26 09:40

    there goes the tax payer's money

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