Obama seeks to soothe Israel

2011-05-22 22:46

Washington - President Barack Obama on Sunday sought to soothe Israeli fury over his new Middle East peace proposals by making clear that the Jewish state would likely be able to keep some settlements in any final deal with the Palestinians.

Obama, addressing Israel's staunchest US supporters, repeated his view that long-stalled peace talks should start on the basis of the Jewish state's 1967 borders, an assertion that angered Israel, exposed a deep rift in its relations with Washington and raised further doubt about peace prospects.

But Obama, in his speech to Washington's most powerful pro-Israel lobbying group, sought to ease tensions with the close US ally over his endorsement three days earlier of a longstanding Palestinian demand on the borders of their future state.

Obama stressed that he expected the two sides to eventually negotiate an accord that included land swaps that would take into account the "new demographic realities on the ground," signalling that Israel would be allowed to keep some Jewish settlements built on occupied land.

The speech followed a testy encounter at the White House on Friday with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who warned Obama against seeking peace "based on illusions" and vowed Israel would never pull back to old borders he regarded as "indefensible."

Netanyahu quickly expressed his appreciation for Obama's remarks on Sunday, saying in a statement: "I’m determined to work together with President Obama to find ways to resume the peace negotiations."

Obama's appearance before the annual assembly of the American/Israel public affairs committee served as a stark reminder that his new formula for Middle East peace could cost him support among Jewish and pro-Israel voters and donors as he runs for re-election in 2012.


Some of Obama's prospective Republican presidential challengers have already pounced on his peace "principles" as a betrayal of Israel, Washington's closest ally in the region.

"Even while we may at times disagree, as friends sometimes will, the bonds between the United States and Israel are unbreakable and the commitment of the United States to the security of Israel is ironclad," Obama said to loud applause.

But at one point he faced a light smattering of boos, which were quickly drowned out by loud applause, when he touched upon some of the most controversial issues now dividing the United States and raising doubts whether Obama's peace vision will ever get off the ground.

A week of hectic Middle East diplomacy has laid bare the divide between the Obama administration and one of Washington's closest allies and made the prospects for reviving the moribund Israeli-Palestinian peace process more remote than ever.

In Sunday's speech, Obama reiterated the peace "principles" he outlined on Thursday in a policy speech on upheaval in the Arab world, but he sought to assuage Israeli concerns that had caused Netanyahu to warn him against pursuing peace "based on illusions."

At issue is Obama's embrace of a long-sought goal by the Palestinians: that the state they seek in the occupied West Bank and Gaza Strip should largely be drawn along lines that existed before the 1967 war in which Israel captured those territories and East Jerusalem.

The proposal would call for land swaps to compensate for Israel keeping some settlements in the West Bank.

Obama's reassurances could help ease the strain with Netanyahu, who has had a history of tense relations with the president.

Obama's stress on 1967 borders went further than before in offering principles for resolving the impasse between Israel and the Palestinians and put the United States formally on record as endorsing the old boundaries as a starting point.

Netanyahu is expected to be feted when he addresses the same audience on Monday and then the US Congress on Tuesday where he will have a chance to rally support for his stance.

  • Joe - 2011-05-22 23:46

    Obama, the president voted into office by fools, acts foolish, and everybody wonders why...

      kidblack - 2011-05-23 02:09

      Why not just give them a piece of Kentucky? Theres nothing but bloody sand there anyway.

      Neo - 2011-05-23 07:43

      Obama and Bush work for the same puppet masters (zionists) ... everybody knows that but not all will admit it.... some of those who knows will even argue against it!!!! - 2011-05-23 07:53

      Yes Neo we control the world! Come on! If we controlled Obama do you not think we would have got the USA to kick ALL he squatters out of Israel by now?? Think before talking

      barryjoelm - 2011-05-23 10:50

      Patrick and Neo - you are both idiots

      slg - 2011-05-25 15:17

      neonazi, who is everybody?

  • thetruth - 2011-05-23 00:07

    who stole land

      Cornix - 2011-05-23 00:24

      @thetruth - Do you mean the land occupied after 1967 war?

      jaydon - 2011-05-23 08:25

      the palestinians have never made one peace proposal since 48. that is the "truth". Why do you think that is if they want to negotiate?

  • thetruth - 2011-05-23 00:26

    no...stolen prior to that

  • thetruth - 2011-05-23 00:27

    stolen in '48

      Cornix - 2011-05-23 00:53

      The land was not stolen, the Israeli state was founded on an agreement.

      slg - 2011-05-23 01:37

      The Israelites were in the area at least as far back as the descendants of the Palestinians

  • thetruth - 2011-05-23 01:00

    on what egreement---we take as much as we want,and if u reject,we shoot,bomb and murder u

      Cornix - 2011-05-23 01:11

      In May 1948, Israel became an independent state after Israel was recognised by the United Nations as a country in its own right within the Middle East.

      slg - 2011-05-25 15:19

      Sounds like the extreme Palestinians and tyrannical Arab leaders

  • thetruth - 2011-05-23 01:18

    no...britain divided the lands and gave it to the escapees of nazi germany who were initially accepted warmly by the palestinians...these jews escaped hitlers extermination and no country in the world accepted them ,but palestinians...thereafter they used the same extermination on the ppl who housed them and continued stealing land until today...

      DrR - 2011-05-23 04:37

      absolute rubbish!! The Jewish people are the only ones whom have lived uninterupted on the land for the past 2000 years...the palestinians and others have come and took a holocaust for the world to realise that the Jewish people needed to have a country of their own, which would be recognized by the world.. United nations proposed to divide the land and although rightfully it belongs to the Jewish people since biblical times.. Israel agreed and signed the palestinians, backed by all the arab nations refused and declared war on Israel...the cowards attacked with the might of all their neighbours and LOST the battle and the land... under UN law an aggressor who captures land, must return it... The defender if he captures land in response...Never has to return that land... now that's THE TRUTH!! yechatichat imbecile.. - 2011-05-23 06:49

      Oh really Patrick, so exactly what happened to the 6 million of my people that were murdered? Or the 5 million other minorities murdered? - 2011-05-23 08:14

      Holocaust Victims: * Jews- 5.9 million * Soviet POW's- 3.3 million * Non-Jewish Poles- 1.8-2 million * Romanis ('gypsies')- 220,000- 270,000 (but even the higher figure may be too low) * Disabled- 200,000 - 250,000 * Homosexuals- 5,000 - 15,000 * Jehovahs Witnesses- 2,500 - 5,000 The American Jewish Yearbook placed the total Jewish population of Europe at about 9.5 million in 1933. In 1939, there were 17 million Jews in the world, and by 1945 only 11 million. Now why don't you go learn YOUR facts before trying to argue with a Jew!

      Psalm - 2011-05-23 08:31

      @thetruth The 1917 Balfour Declaration says Jewish home = in Palestine. UK sought to divide the land between the Arabs and the Jews. The Arabs rejected the proposed partitioning. They wanted to have all the land and make Jews dhimmis, you see. But anyone with any proper historical knowledge knows that Jewish presence in Greater Israel spans thousands of years- they survived the Babylonians, the Assyrians, the Medo-Persians, the Greeks, the Romans, the Islamic Jihads, the Crusades. Jerusalem was Jewish long before any Muslim religion was invented. 1948 was the war of Independece. The Arabs still rejected Israel, while the UN accepted it. 1967, Arab stupidity was on display again in the 6 day war. But some people never learn, so 1973 brought another display of Arab idiocy in the Yom Kippur War. Do we really need to rehash this? The Arabs are responsible for their own misery. The Arabs in Gaza and the parts of Judea and Samaria (West Bank) are too busy stewing in revenge to build proper lives. Let me ask you a simple question: why is it that Israel (one tiny state) could absorb MILLIONS of Jewish refugees driven out by Muslims from neighbouring Muslim states, dispossessed of their land and belongings, but none of the many Muslim states have ever given a toss about the so-called Arab refugees who claim to be victims of the "Nakba"? While Arabs whine about "Nakba", Jewish refugees rebuild their lives and make progress. Indeed, Am Yisrael Chai (the people of Israel live). - 2011-05-23 08:37

      Patrick - Seriously?! do you actually believe half the rubbish you say?

      Psalm - 2011-05-23 08:40

      @ Patrick You've clearly never read the Bible. The Bible declares all that land as the property of Israel. The original inhabitants of the land were Canaanites, Hittites, Jebusites- they no longer exist. Gaza was inhabited by the Philistines at one stage. Gaza - not the whole of Israel.

      Patrick - 2011-05-23 08:48

      @Psalm... I know the Buy-Bull better than most. It's a loada crap... just like the rest.

      Psalm - 2011-05-23 09:00

      Patrick "I know the Buy-Bull better than most. It's a loada crap... just like the rest" And yet you use it as authority... There must be a name for person who uses a book as authority and still calls it crap...

      Patrick - 2011-05-23 09:03

      @Psalm... I'm sure you'll think of one dear. - 2011-05-23 09:05

      Patrick you are now just embarrassing yourself. Just walk away when you clearly know nothing about what is been discussed.

      Other Justin - 2011-05-23 09:39

      @Patrick - Are you drunk?

      barryjoelm - 2011-05-23 10:57

      Patrick - that's strange, so obviously my mother is a liar. She survived a slave labour camp, Buchenwald, as well as Auschwitz. The tattoo she has on her wrist was undoubtedly done by the Zionists. When I see her later, I'll slap her and tell her to admit she was lying. What a prat you are!

  • thetruth - 2011-05-23 01:29

    the british divided palestine into 2 and awarded 1/3 to the jews,who escaped hitlers persecution during the 1940's. the palestinians were the only nation to accept the jews that they exterminate the same ppl who housed them,and continue stealing land at an alarming rate...they now occupy more than 2/3 of the land

      Cornix - 2011-05-23 01:38

      Then why do you say the land was already stolen in 1948? - 2011-05-23 07:06

      @thetruth - Incase you do not know your history Jews were in Israel LONG before any arabs, we were killed off and kicked out thousands of years ago. Hence why America gave it back to Us the rightful owners of Israel. - 2011-05-23 09:13

      Iceman - care to elaborate on exactly what we have not done? I would be then more than happy to give proof and facts that Israel has obeyed the UN rules. - 2011-05-23 14:14 The resolution was accepted by the Jews in the British mandate of Palestine, yet rejected by the Arabs in the mandate and the Arab states!

  • thetruth - 2011-05-23 01:45

    land was being stolen from the early '40s,but the british made it formal when they created israel by giving the jews independence in 48

      slg - 2011-05-23 02:35

      This is a distraction and largely irrelevant. The tyrannical leaders in the Middle East are on their way out. They have been using the Palestinian issue to manipulate their populations and maintain their power-bases. The new generation is unlikely to allow this to continue. They are tuned-in to a wider, more modern world. There's plenty of land in the Middle East for everyone. It just takes willingness.

      Patrick - 2011-05-23 06:29

      slg You will always remember what you say the Germans did to the Jews, but you must never, ever remember what the Jews did to the Palestinians! War by deception.

      slg - 2011-05-25 15:27

      You're being childish Patrick. Grow up.

  • Patrick - 2011-05-23 05:05

    President Obama’s speech was clearly another rehearsal in hypocrisy, moral duplicity and empty rhetoric. Apart from paying lip service to Arab revolutions, Obama reiterated the same old biased American stance on the Palestinian plight, the central issue that continues to generate tension and instability all over the world, especially in the vital Arab region.

      slg - 2011-05-25 15:22

      You really have no idea what is going on in the Middle East and world affairs.

  • - 2011-05-23 06:53

    Can Obama make his mind up already! He is either on our side or on the squatters side! It is clear he is only saying this now to try get Jewish votes... to late! - 2011-05-23 08:16

      haha you are pathetic. Incase you did not know, you would revert back to a caveman without Israel. FYI the computer you are using Intel was created by Israeli Jews! - 2011-05-23 10:41

      Once again you have showed how you know nothing. Sad.

      Observer - 2011-05-23 11:35

      @ Realist Not sure where you get the idea that a forum is a place where you can spew forth your hatred. I pity you for your hatred of Jews, or any other race - the hatred is only going to poison you and make you into a grumpy old man.

      Zee - 2011-05-25 13:26

      You call them squatters - nice, you must be proud of your school of thought! This is the problem with Zionists. It's THEIR land, not to be shared with anyone else - they are better than everyone else. Their God promised them the land, and therefore it must be given to them. They justification is their belief - that's like Hitler justifying murdering all the Jews in the world because that's what he believed in. Doesn't make it right, of course.

      slg - 2011-05-25 15:23

      It's not either-or like that MJ. This sounds like George Bush after 0911. It is black-or-white thinking, which almost never leads to higher truths.

      slg - 2011-05-25 15:23

      Zee, you don't know it but you;re the same as the so-called Zionists, just on the other side of the spectrum. You think and act the same.

  • YES - 2011-05-23 07:05

    Obama long ceased to be black. In fact, he has never been and it would be naive to expect him to act otherwise. The man is a disgrace to Africa, in p[articular his African heritage. He is a typical uncle Tom. - 2011-05-23 07:27

      Would you explain what Obama's race has to do with this article?

      Realist - 2011-05-23 09:41 Ok, in fairness, I have to side with you on this... @YES - what the hell are you on about?

      slg - 2011-05-25 15:24

      YES has one of the lowest IQ's on this website. His messages are continual drivel.

  • Malcolm - 2011-05-23 07:26

    Can anyone recommend any litrature on this topic. There are many views, and I would like to do a little reading on the history. - 2011-05-23 07:47

      Here are a couple links on Israel history: - 2011-05-23 07:51

      A article on the Israeli - arab conflict

      shiraz.mahomed - 2011-05-23 08:16

      HI Malcolm, The net is full of articles about how Israel was setup; help yourself by reading these to know how Israel was really created, how it is sustained and how Palestinians fit into this equation. These squatters (racial slur used in this forum), are really human beings, who have been dispossessed who asking for redress on the way their holocaust. Political power is a strange beast, it makes those that have it think they have morally superior....history has always proven outside, irrespective of the propoganda. - 2011-05-23 08:20

      @shiraz - squattter is the worldwide term for someone that lives on land that is not their. It has nothing to do with race. And it is comical how you try use Holocaust for arabs!! You do not know the first thing about a Holocaust. I am surprised you did not use "apartheid" - 2011-05-23 08:21

      ( noun ) squatter someone who settles on land without right or title 1 ( noun ) squatter one who squats; specifically, one who settles unlawfully upon land without a title. - 2011-05-23 08:40

      Patrick - you need help. I do not know how anyone can be in such denial. You do not even have a valid argument. Just complete B.S. - 2011-05-23 09:18 The resolution was accepted by the Jews in the British mandate of Palestine, yet rejected by the Arabs in the mandate and the Arab states

      Patrick - 2011-05-23 09:28

      What is it you're actually doing deleting my posts moderator? Which part of my post "offends" you? - 2011-05-23 09:34

      Oh my word!!!! Patrick you really are not desperate that you compare us to satan!! FYI we Jews do not believe in satan. So what is your next desperate shot at us? - 2011-05-23 10:53

      What we are doing wrong? Excuse me for defending my people and my home from squatters!!

      slg - 2011-05-25 15:25

      Patrick, they're not offensive. They're stupid. That's why they're being removed.

  • Stougat_Seun - 2011-05-23 09:48

    What in the hell is wrong with us??? why are we fighting, is it soo bad to be living next to each other? Maybe thats what we need, instead of forced segregation they should implement forced integration. I am a Muslim, and i am sick and tired of all the Isreali Palistinian bu!!$h1t. I dont mind at all having Jewish neighbours, Christian neighbours, Hindu Neighbours... I say give forced integration a chance.

  • Patrick - 2011-05-23 10:12

    @ the moderator... I'm bored whilst waiting for my 10.15 shuttle... what's your excuse?

  • lance ANCY - 2011-05-23 10:21

    Best for all of us....don't vote during election...cos you don't know who control the puppets!

  • - 2011-05-23 10:39

    Have you noticed how Israeli supporters do not resort to name calling? Or comparing haters to the devil? Because we are civilized! And we have the proof and facts on our side. So to all you haters - carry on trashing us till you blue in the face. All you are proving is how you know nothing.

      Patrick - 2011-05-23 11:12

      From the no-name-calling MJ8 "Have you noticed how Israeli supporters do not resort to name calling?" No name calling....Chopper1?? Apart from the other israhelli supporters calling others names all over the place, daily, and also right here on this thread... these are the things you said, also right here in this thread, and you are oft name calling in ALL your threads. Strange boy indeed. Patrick - you are right you are not an idiot - you are a utter blind fool. defending my people and my home from squatters Once again you have showed how you know nothing haha you are pathetic you clearly know nothing about what is been discussed. - 2011-05-23 14:12

      Did I call you a dog or satan?! NO that is name calling I was merely stating the obvious.

  • Stougat_Seun - 2011-05-23 10:44

    PLease stop the violence and hateful words. rather make love not war.

  • thetruth - 2011-05-23 11:43

    @ PATRICK pls do rest ur case as this MJ84 character is thumb-sucking lies from his forefathers...he's actually totally confused and cornered by u'r insight into the evil of his nation...MJ84,be humbled by the truth of ur own ppl like NORMAN FINKELSTEIN,RICHARD GOLDSTONE,RABBI MOSHE GOLDSTEIN and all the refuseniks who've seen the truth of your EVIL forefathers and their present day collaboraters(u included)...PARASITES

      Saffaman - 2011-05-23 13:00

      @"the truth" - go and ask Richard Goldstone or Finkelstein about the Holocaust, and cross reference with your buddy Patrick. Finkelstein's parents were survivors of the holocaust. are you still a denier eh? now that your hero's parents are living testimony to the event. - 2011-05-23 14:13

      I am a SHE. And again bring a valid argument instead of lies and just rubbish and we can talk.

  • Adam - 2011-05-24 21:23

    this conversation is complete lunacy... patrick - most of your posts have been deleted because of how idiotic you are. what you say has no basis in facts, only in your confused deranged head. truth - quite an ironic name. you claim all the jewish claims to the land are made up and only in reality to deceive the world from the actual history, yet you base you facts on cheap propaganda websites that were not even in existence 10 years ago, so where they got their stories from.... i have no idea. you have not been able to give one piece of credible evidence to your claims, resorting only to modern day conspiracy theories... all of which can be traced back to some where in the last 70 years. you act like an authority on the matter, yet you seem unable to provide any actual history to it. who stole the land? well if you bothered to find out you'd know the land was won by jews in what is now known as the war of independance. when egypt syria jordan and the local arabs of the reigon attacked the jewish people - the holocaust survivors. only after the jews had won the war was the land recognised by the UN. when u talk about palestine accepting the holocaust survivors i dont think you are aware that palestine was not an arab country, or even a country at all. it was a british mandate and at no time ever in history was it under arab control. i could on and on but theres actually no point in trying to educate someone so stupid who has the cheek to call the selves, 'truth'

  • Ken - 2011-09-22 10:59

    The US/Israel aprtheid state will try anything to establish legitimacy

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