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Palestinians: Israel settler plan slap in face of US

2014-11-04 16:19

Jerusalem - Israeli plans for roughly 500 new settler homes in occupied east Jerusalem are a "slap in the face" of the United States and the international community, a top Palestinian official said.

Israel approved construction of the homes on Monday as chief Palestinian negotiator Saeb Erakat met US Secretary of State John Kerry in the United States, according to settlements watchdog Peace Now.

"With the situation in occupied Jerusalem at boiling point, Israel's latest settlement announcement is a slap in the face to Kerry, to the international community, to the Palestinian people, and to peace," Erakat said in a statement late on Monday.

The US and the international community have condemned repeated plans for new settler homes in east Jerusalem, which the Palestinians want as the capital of their future state.

Israel considers the whole of Jerusalem to be its undivided capital.

Israel captured the eastern sector of the city in 1967 and later annexed it, in a move never recognised by the international community.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's office pledged on October 27 to build more than 1 000 new settler homes.

Jewish settlement building in east Jerusalem and the occupied West Bank has repeatedly derailed peace talks, most recently in April when nine months of US-brokered negotiations broke down.

"The message is clear," Erakat said.

"The Netanyahu government chooses settlements over negotiations, colonisation over the two-state solution, and apartheid over equality and coexistence," he added.

In the absence of negotiations, which have for decades failed to bring peace, the Palestinians are seeking a UN resolution giving a two-year deadline for Israel to end its occupation of the Palestinian territories.

Comments
  • matches - 2014-11-04 16:35

    Top Palestinian Official ... you can speak for Palestine not for the US. .. why is it that the Palestinians do not want peace with Israel...

  • Grant Montgomery854 - 2014-11-04 16:39

    The whole of Jerusalem belongs to Israel. This was ordained by God thousands of years ago. Why should it be a problem now?

      Rashid Kara - 2014-11-04 16:49

      @the other view, I did not know you read the Quran, cos if you did, its mentioned several times in their!!!!

      Johan Grundling - 2014-11-04 16:55

      @Theotherview - With regards to the part about Prophet Muhammed (SAW) you are way out. The Prophet (SAW) himself led prayer in the Dome of the Rock, so how can it be that he did not set foot there? Please dont make assumptions without first getting the absolute truth.

      Graziella Mali - 2014-11-04 17:00

      It's this quasi-mystical bull underpinning the creation of Israel that has most of the thinking people of the world aghast.

      Johan Grundling - 2014-11-04 17:04

      @Grant - Really? Who said so? Dont try to BS around.

      Graziella Mali - 2014-11-04 17:24

      "There is simply no evidence that Muhammad's physical body ever made the trip." Please do tell where the evidence is that Jesus rode into Jerusalem on the back of a v8 donkey.

      Rashid Kara - 2014-11-04 17:39

      @the other view, you are correct when you say he was not in body in Jerusalem, but yes it was a spiritual journey, and I will quote you a short message as well to give you a clearer understanding as to why this happened>>>>>>>For Muslims, Abraham was not a Jewish prophet; he was the father of the monotheistic idea, the cornerstone of the Muslim faith, which based its theological revolution on the oneness of God. In the Quran, Abraham was presented as neither a Jew nor a Christian, but as the precursor of the one true religion. More important, Muhammad did not designate Makkah as the qiblah at first, because it was the center of the pagan religions of Arab tribes and was dominated by stone idols. Until its liberation from pagan rule and the purification of its temple in 630, Makkah was clearly unsuitable as the direction of prayers. To pray facing Makkah meant to pray to pagan idols.2

      Martin Goodman - 2014-11-04 17:51

      Johan if the dome of the rock was completed in 692 and Mohammed(pbuh) died in 632 how is it that he led prayers there ??

      Rashid Kara - 2014-11-04 17:54

      @martin, I can give you a long explanation, but to answer you shortly it was a spiritual journey!!! if you not happy with this, then I will have to give you a fairly long answer!!!

      Martin Goodman - 2014-11-04 18:02

      Rashid , Any length of explanation will be fine ...

      Rashid Kara - 2014-11-04 18:11

      @martin, I will not elaborate on the actual night journey, but the confusion around this!!!

      Rashid Kara - 2014-11-04 18:13

      @martin, here we go>>>>>>>Glory to (Allah) Who did take His Servant for a Journey by night from the Sacred Mosque to the Farthest Mosque, whose precincts We did bless, - in order that We might show him some of Our Signs: for He is the One Who heareth and seeth (all things). [Qur'an 17:1] Many Christian missionaries point to an alleged difficulty concerning the above passage. They claim that : The Farthest Mosque (Al-Masjid-ul-Aqs-a) was built many years after the death of Muhammad. It is utterly impossible that Muhammad visited it on his Night Journey. They further add : The Temple of Solomon had been completely destroyed in 70 AD, i.e. 550 years before the alleged time of the Miraj in 622 AD, the twelfth year of Muhammad's mission. A Temple that didn't exist anymore does not provide any better solution to this problem than a Mosque which wasn't built yet. Similarly, the Christian apologist `Abdallah `Abd al-Fadi says: Moreover, the Further [sic!] Mosque was not in existence at the time of Muhammad, but was built about a hundred years after his death! How could he have prayed in it, then, or described its gates and windows?[1]

      Rashid Kara - 2014-11-04 18:14

      We will begin by dealing with the word masjid from both the linguistic and legal points of view. The Arabic word for "mosque" is masjid. Discussing with the word masjid from a linguistic point of view al-Zarkashi says:

      Rashid Kara - 2014-11-04 18:15

      The Arab grammarians classify masjid as "ism makan", i.e., "name of location"; it indicates the place where an action takes place. Masjid being derived from the root sa-ja-da (to prostrate), it means "place of prostration". Since a place of worship is a place where believers prostrate to God, "masjid" is a general term to designate any place of worship without any religious distinction. Later, this word was used to designate Islamic places of worship in particular, i.e., the mosques. The Prophet's night journey was from "the inviolable place of worship" (al-Masjid al-Haram) to "the farthest place of worship" (al-Masjid al-Aqsa). The former is certainly located in Makkah, but what about the latter? The reference to Allah blessing its surroundings (... whose precincts We did bless) suggests a location in the "Holy Land" (cf. 21:81; 7:137; 34:18). Neal Robinson states: The [Muslim] tradition which identifies it [i.e., al-Masjid al-Aqsa] with the Temple Mount in Jerusalem makes admirable sense in view of the fact that the 'place of worship' (masjid) whose destruction is evoked in v. 7 [i.e., 17:7] is clearly the Temple.[4]

      Rashid Kara - 2014-11-04 18:15

      This view is also shared by many western scholars.[5] As it was mentioned earlier that masjid refers to a place of prostration without any religious distinction; an excellent example of the usage of the word "masjid" referring to a non-Islamic sanctuary can be seen in the verse 17:7. The verse describes briefly the destruction of the masjid in Jerusalem (i.e., the Temple) by the enemies of Children of Israel. Allah says in the Qur'an that the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem was a punishment was inflicted upon the Children of Israel for their tyranny and arrogance. Now that the linguistic issues are clarified, let us now turn to the legal issues (i.e., Islamic Law) concerning the word masjid. Al-Zarkashi says:

      Rashid Kara - 2014-11-04 18:16

      In summary, masjid from a linguistic point of view means a "place of prostration" without any religious distinction. From a legal point of view the word masjid in shari`ah constitutes every place on earth that is fit for prostration. In other words masjid does not designate a building but only a "place of prostration"; the place may or may not have the building. In support of the argument, we quote hadith #323 in Sahih al-Bukhari that has already been mentioned by al-Zarkashi:

      Ayesha Omar - 2014-11-04 18:16

      grant africa as for africans then buzz off.yr argument is weak.zionest are thiefs and they will taste and pay for this i assure u of that

      Rashid Kara - 2014-11-04 18:17

      The Prophet, peace be upon him, said, "I have been given five things which were not given to any amongst the Prophets before me. These are: 1. Allah made me victorious by awe [by His frightening of my enemies] for a distance of one month's journey. 2. The earth has been made for me [and for my followers] a "masjid" [Arabic: a place for prostration] and a means of purification. Therefore, my followers can pray wherever the time of a prayer is due. 3. The booty has been made halal [lawful] for me [and was not made so for anyone else].4. Every Prophet used to be sent to his nation exclusively but I have been sent to all mankind. 5. I have been given the right of intercession [on the Day of Resurrection].[8]

      Rashid Kara - 2014-11-04 18:18

      So, according to this hadith, any place on the earth is a masjid for Muslims. Therefore, whether there was a building or not when the Prophet made his heavenly trip, it is the location of the "Farthest Mosque" that is intended by the verse and not a building per se because the location where it lies was blessed by God as mentioned in verse 17:1 "the Farthest Mosque, whose precincts We did bless". Therefore, no one can claim that the word "masjid" in the Islamic terminology refers necessarily to a building. Imam Ibn Hajar confirms this opinion in Fath al-Bari (his commentary on Sahih al-Bukhari) :

      Rashid Kara - 2014-11-04 18:19

      verse 17:1 also speaks of "The Sacred Mosque" which is in Makkah around the Ka`bah. Did a building for the mosque exist there in the time of the Prophet? The answer is that the Ka`bah was there but there was no building for the mosque. This further adds to the argument that the word masjid in this verse refers to a place of performing the prostration and does not imply the presence of a "building" in the modern understanding. The above understanding of the word masjid as a place of worship not building per se is also well supported by archaeological and historic evidence. Below we present a picture of an early mosque in a place called Besor in Occupied Palestine.[10]

      Rashid Kara - 2014-11-04 18:22

      It is interesting to note that the Temple was considered as the only place of prostration by some Rabbis and that they would refuse to completely prostrate outside the Temple in Jerusalem.[16] The Jewish concept of worship has extensive vocabulary, out of which hishtahawah, "to prostrate oneself," is the most frequently used in the Hebrew Bible (86 times).[17]

      Rashid Kara - 2014-11-04 18:22

      Ibn al-Jawzi said: It raises a problem since Abraham built the Ka`bah and Solomon built Bayt al-Maqdis [another name of al-Masjid al-Aqsa cf. Hebrew Bet ha-Miqdash] and there are 1,000 years between them. His evidence for saying that it is Solomon - peace be upon him - who built the Farthest Mosque is the narration of al-Nasa'i from the hadith of `Abd Allah Ibn `Amr Ibn al-`As attributed to the Prophet with an authentic isnad that "When Solomon built Bayt al-Maqdis he asked God the Most High for three things etc." and in al-Tabarani from the hadith of Rafi` Ibn `Umayrah that "David - peace be upon him - started building Bayt al-Maqdis but God inspired him: I shall accomplish its building with Solomon" and the hadith has a story. He [Ibn al-Jawzi] said: "The answer to that is that the mention concerns the first construction and the foundation of the mosque and it is not Abraham who built the Ka`bah for the first time nor is it Solomon who built Bayt al-Maqdis for the first time. Indeed, we have narrated that the first one who built the Ka`bah is Adam. Then his progeny spread out on earth. Therefore, it is possible that one of them built Bayt al-Maqdis. Later, Abraham (re)built the Ka`bah according to the Qur'an." Likewise, al-Qurtubi said: The hadith does not indicate that Abraham and Solomon were the first ones to build the two mosques. It was only a renovation of what had been founded by others.[18]

      Martin Goodman - 2014-11-04 18:23

      Rashid to quote Johan “ The Prophet (SAW) himself led prayer in the Dome of the Rock, so how can it be that he did not set foot there? Please dont make assumptions without first getting the absolute truth. “ ... If he led prayer there must have been somebody to lead therefore he was not alone and this would more then signify that it was not a spiritual journey , If It was a spiritual Journey would it be fair to say that he time travelled into the future ? Why would this be necessary ? The prophet claims no supernatural powers why would time travel be one ?

      Rashid Kara - 2014-11-04 18:23

      But the possibility mentioned by Ibn al-Jawzi is more pertinent. And I found evidence supporting those who say that it is Adam who founded both mosques. For instance, Ibn Hisham mentioned in "Kitab al-Tijan" that when Adam built the Ka`bah, God ordered him to walk to Bayt al-Maqdis and build it and so he did and offered worship in it. And the construction of the House [Arabic: al-Bayt, i.e., the Ka`bah] is famous and we have mentioned earlier the hadith of `Abd Allah Ibn `Amr that the House was elevated in the time of the flood until God showed Abraham its location. Ibn Abi Hatim narrated from the way of Ma`mar from Qatadah: God founded the House with Adam when he descended. But Adam missed the voices of the Angels and their prayers. Therefore, God told him: I sent down a House around which [people] will revolve like it is revolved around my Throne, so set out to it. Adam set out to Makkah - He had descended in India, and his steps were enlarged until he reached the House and revolved around it. It was also said that when he had prayed at the Ka`bah, he was ordered to set out to Jerusalem where he built a masjid [mosque] and prayed therein so that it became a qiblah to a part of his progeny.[19]

      Rashid Kara - 2014-11-04 18:24

      In summary, the verse 17:1 refers to the holy locations in Jerusalem and Makkah because they are blessed regardless of the presence or absence of a building at the time of the heavenly trip of Prophet Muhammad. From an Islamic point of view, evidence has been given by eminent Muslim scholars like Ibn Hajar and Ibn al-Jawzi showing that it was Adam who built both mosques for the first time and that the job of Abraham and Solomon was only a renovation/reconstruction of these sanctuaries.

      Rashid Kara - 2014-11-04 18:24

      The word masjid from a linguistic point of view refers to a place of prostration without any religious distinction. From a legal point of view the word masjid in shari`ah constitutes every place on earth that is fit for prostration, whether or not it is a building. The verse 17:1 may very well refer to the holy locations in Jerusalem and Makkah because they are blessed regardless of the presence or absence of a building at the time of the heavenly trip of Prophet Muhammad from Makkah to Jerusalem to the Heavens. From an Islamic point of view, evidence has been given by eminent Muslim scholars like Ibn Hajar and Ibn al-Jawzi who have discussed the issue. They have shown that it was Adam who built both mosques for the first time and that the duty of Abraham and Solomon was only a renovation/reconstruction of these sanctuaries.

      Rashid Kara - 2014-11-04 18:49

      @martin the night journey by our prophet(pbuh) was a miracle in itself, lots of people still regard this as conjecture and a fairy tale. Even in the time of our prophet , when he told the people around him. what happened to him, they did not believe him, until he describe Jerusalem, and it surroundings accurately, and the caravan travellers that went up that way, and came back confirm the description as 100% correct. The same miracle of Jesus ascension to heaven could sound like a fairy tale to many people, and to our human logic and intellect. But who are we fallible mortals to question the power of God.?????

      Rashid Kara - 2014-11-04 19:47

      @martin, John is correct in what he is saying, but to proof this is to actually go into the night journey which is long!!!!! and I am tired ???

      Martin Goodman - 2014-11-04 22:08

      "The same miracle of Jesus ascension to heaven could sound like a fairy tale to many people, and to our human logic and intellect. But who are we fallible mortals to question the power of God.?????” ... Muslims dont believe n the resurrection of the Christ and therefore denying the christ and his ascension ... ?

      Rashid Kara - 2014-11-05 04:57

      @martin, this again is a wrong assumption, yes according to Quran we do not believe in the crucifixion of Jesus(pbuh) , but the ascension , yes!! and the second coming!!! I can again quote you verses , from Quran, and Hadith, to proof this to you.

  • Graziella Mali - 2014-11-04 16:59

    All that the US needs to do is to remove her diplomatic cover for Israel and let her be exposed for the polecats of the world that she is.

      Johan Grundling - 2014-11-04 17:02

      Thats just it. The illegal illegitimate state has the backing of the US the gives Israel the idea that they can do whatever, whenever. The time is coming when they are going to fall, HARD!

      Darren Marcus - 2014-11-04 17:24

      USA need Israel as much as Israel need USA !! Or the scum of Islam will cause havoc on the civilized world !

      Rashid Kara - 2014-11-04 17:36

      @darran, let's be civilized please, don't call my faith scum, as you wont like me to reciprocate,!!! lets have genuine debate without the calling of names,!!! this will get us nowhere!!!

      Darren Marcus - 2014-11-04 18:20

      I'm am not calling your faith scum !! I am calling the huge amount of uneducated radicals that belong to Islam scum !

      Johan Grundling - 2014-11-05 10:41

      @Darren, lets not generalize as well all know that it is only a fraction of the Islamic population that may be involved if that. I can assure you that if it were a majority, things would be a lot different where ever in the world you reside.

  • Scanity1 - 2014-11-04 17:31

    Who cares what the Palestinians think.Arafat could have done the deal with Israel but chose rather to send in suicide and car bombers into Tel Aviv.Jerusalem is the capital of Israel and Israel does not have to answer to anyone in the world.

      Graziella Mali - 2014-11-04 17:57

      "Jerusalem is the capital of Israel and Israel does not have to answer to anyone in the world." If only that were true, because as far as I know, chicken s**t is still stuck in Tel Aviv.

  • Donald Ceronio - 2014-11-04 18:54

    "which the Palestinians want as the capital of their future state." So if I understand this correctly It is not there state yet and not there capital yet. It is something tey want that already belongs to someone else. Thy shal not want is it not one of the 10 comandments.

      Donald Ceronio - 2014-11-05 11:20

      @ Faried. Yip you have got me there, fingers were going a bit fast, but the facts were straight. Insulting and spell checking shows a sore looser out.

      Donald Ceronio - 2014-11-06 15:46

      @Peter. "ethnically cleansed and stole" from who if there was no state?

  • Mike Cambier - 2014-11-11 02:06

    Israeli settler in Israel? how do you work that one out when its a fact that Jerusalem has been the Capitol of Israel for more than 3000 years ? it is in actual fact the muslim settler..and it will remain so for another 3000 years and beyond.......

  • Grant Montgomery854 - 2014-11-25 19:59

    The whole of Jerusalem belongs to Israel. This was ordained by God thousands of years ago. Why should it be a problem now?

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