Palestinians reject Netanyahu talks call

2012-04-12 18:55

Jerusalem - The Palestinians on Thursday spurned Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's latest invitation to resume peace talks, insisting the Israelis freeze settlement construction first.

Netanyahu on Wednesday proposed to start direct talks with Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, without any preconditions. The call followed an appeal from international mediators.

Negotiations broke down in late 2010 over the issue of settlement construction in the West Bank and east Jerusalem, areas claimed by the Palestinians as parts of their future state.

Abbas' spokesperson, Nabil Abu Rdeneh, said on Thursday that Abbas is ready for talks only if Israel halts settlement construction and accepts its 1967 boundaries as the basis for negotiations. Otherwise, he says, any negotiations will "waste time".

Netanyahu has repeatedly refused to halt settlement construction as a precondition to talks.

Israel captured the West Bank, east Jerusalem and Gaza, territories claimed by the Palestinians, in 1967.

Israel and the Palestinians launched a low-level dialogue early this year, but failed to find a formula to resume formal peace talks.

Netanyahu is set to meet Abbas' prime minister, Salam Fayyad, on Tuesday.

Fayyad is expected to present a letter with the Palestinian conditions for resuming talks. Officials have said they do not expect any breakthroughs.

  • Larry - 2012-04-12 20:46

    The Palestinians must be stupid or something. Their territory is captured territory and they have no right to 'conditions'. it is the Israeli's who must set the terms of peace and for the Palestinians to accept if they want anything at all. Israel has claimed all of East jerusalem and 'settlement' areas of the West Bank as compensation for the 1967 war which was started and lost by Palestinians and neighboring Arab nations. There is no negotiation required and palestinians must accept that which is kindly given by Israel.

      Fred - 2012-04-12 21:07

      The Israelites have been in the area as long as the other tribes, thousands of years. This is recorded fact. As with Syria, you're blind to what is really happening in this part of the Middle East, Patrick, numbing yourself. Because of this blindness and numbness, self-chosen, you're enabling the pain and suffering of the Palestinian people and their abuse at the hands of the unelected dictators of the region, who have been inciting them to attack Israel almost daily in their attempts to give their populations a false enemy, so they can continue to hold onto self-serving, unelected power. If they care so much about the Palestinians, as they say they do, why have the unelected dictators not given the Palestinians the literally few neighborhoods they need to call home, but instead funnel billions of dollars worth of arms to them, and incite them to attack Israel daily? Why do they deny the occurrence of the Holocaust, the single biggest attempt at human genocide in the history of humankind, six million Jewish people exterminated, when this too is recorded fact?

      Fred - 2012-04-12 21:27

      They didn't. That's your pseudo-victimhood at work. It was imperative to give the Jewish people land of their own, to protect against the Holocaust would never happen again. The land they had been on historically for thousands of years was rightly decided as the most appropriate. As to your statement that the Holocaust was real, why then are you on record as saying "the world would be a better place if Jews were removed from all walks of life"?

      Larry - 2012-04-12 21:39

      Patrick and Fred. Actually the land was partitioned. The Jews were offered their portion which they accepted graciously, while the Arabs wanted no Jews and attacked Israel on the day of its founding. All the tribes were catered for. No the Palestinians will be made to suffer until they accept Israel and its future secured place in the Middle East.

      Bradley - 2012-04-13 11:14

      hey Patrick go swim with sponge bob under the sea

      Fred - 2012-04-13 18:48

      Patrick, the land historically was inhabited by the Jewish people. And consultations did take place. Unfortunately the racism and jingoism Larry speaks of was rampant among the UNELECTED leaders of the region. You're very outspoken about Israelis giving their land to the Pakestinians. Are you willing to give your land to the Khoi-San? They were its original inhabitants and your ancestors bought the land from those who took it from the Khoi-San.

      Larry - 2012-04-13 20:41

      Patrick, or should we call you Lesego, there was no mistake. The Jewsish people now have their national homeland and it is very intact, and nobody will be swimming anywhere. You say there was no consultation. Why did the UN need to consult with Jordan, Syria, Lebanon et al, when this was not their territory in the first place. You have a ten year old grasp on international affairs. I have explained why Israel cannot be compared to African colonialism, in comparison to USA, Canadian and Australian colonialism on the simple matter of majority. If there was a majority of Portugese nationals in Mocambique then it would still be a Portugese colony today. Israel is Majority Jewish and will remain so until that majority is changed. Stop being such a plank of wood.

      Fidel - 2012-04-13 21:03

      The time is running out for Israel. The only logical conclusion to this determination of Israel will be for the Palestinians to lobby for full democratic and civil rights, with equality for all citizens, inside Israel, since that is where they effectively are. Israel has made a one state solution the only option. The Arab/Palestinian woman gives birth twice a year and whose to say that in 50 years time that the majority of Israeli citizens will be Arab/Palestinian, as it was before the European settlers arrived there.

      Larry - 2012-04-13 21:38

      Lesego, I know you are lying. Your pathology is an open book of psychology 101. Whenever I pin you down with a logical response to you rambling foolishness, you bring on the racism accusations. This is typically a black tendency. If you were a white person as you claim, you would not find anything racist in any of my comments, because there are no racist comments from me. My words here going back two months on every article on this subject will attest to this Lesego. In fact, I know you are Lesego because you post under that name on the Thought Leader site on the same Israel/palestinian blogs, and your style of writing, and basic low quality of dicourse are remarkably similar. You see, you are dealing with a clever Jew, one who can see bullsh1t from across the ether. Tell me Lesego, when and where did you serve in the SA defense force?

      Larry - 2012-04-14 22:24

      Its a simple matter Lesego. You post under a pseudonym and your facebook name and profile is made up. It is so obvious I would bet ten thousand rand on it. I can prove it. Just tell us where and when you served in the Sa defence force. I dare you.

      Larry - 2012-04-15 23:02

      A liar and a coward.

  • Muhammad Cassim - 2012-04-12 20:53

    Larry, if Malema comes to claim your house as captured territory for punishment of apartheid, I'm sure you would not just roll over, typical of your double standards, the Palestinians land has been stolen and you dare defend thieves, I hope Malema steals your house so you know what it feels like

      Fred - 2012-04-12 21:10

      Again, the Israelites have been in the area as long as the other tribes, thousands of years. This is recorded fact. And again, are you willing to give up your land to the Khoi-San, the original inhabitants of Southern Africa? No. So you're being a hypocrite, more so because the Israelites have in fact been in the area as long as the other tribes.

      Larry - 2012-04-12 21:52

      Muhummad, I like a salami a salami likes me. The land of Israel was given to the Jews by UN decree, in other words it was voted by a majority of UN countries. Nothing was stolen. The land was partitioned so that Jews and Palestinians could each have their own national homeland, which was accepted by Jews and rejected by the Arabs. wars were fought a won by Israel, a tiny handful against the might of Islam - what a joke. Israel will have peace for both Jews and Arabs but Israel won the right to claim the terms and conditions. This is what happens when you lose a war of your own making. Humiliating isn't it - sorry about that. Talk about stolen. The real 'nakba' was the forced expulsion and persecution of 800 000 Arab Jews from Muslim Middle Eastern countries, from Algeria in the west to Iraq in the east. These Jews had their assets and properties expropriated, losing land ownership ten times the size of Israel in the process of theft by their host countries of many generations. These Arab Jews landed up in Israel and now make up 60% of all Israeli Jews. Look it up. You dont know about this because we dont cry over spilt milk. We live on and get on with our lives.

      allcoveredinNinjas - 2012-04-13 09:00

      The only disputed territory from the disolution of the Ottoman empire by the UN post WW2 is Isreal , it also just so happens to be the only non-muslim state. Co-incidence ?

  • Lenzi - 2012-04-12 22:10

    Below a link to a short nine minute video, a tribute to Rachel Corrie, an American hero, the girl who tried to stop an Israeli bulldozer from tearing down a Palestinian pharmacy but the bulldozer ran her over instead. Israel has yet to Apologize to America for this yet America continues to supply Israel with 4 billion dollars of armament aid per year.

      Larry - 2012-04-12 22:25

      This happened ten years ago while ten thousand Syrian civilians were murdered by their own despotic government yesterday. Take your out-dated propaganda and shove it. Go find something new and relevant.

      Lenzi - 2012-04-12 22:54

      Out dated propaganda! you the one who brought up the 1967 war..Larry that's half a century ago? As for Syria, that's horrible news but did you know 330000 were killed in the recent Darfur genocide.. but what's all this got to do with Palestine and Israels occupation of it? If you cant keep up keep quiet rather.

      Larry - 2012-04-13 07:03

      Nineteen thumbs down think you an idiot blusterer as I do. Why is your ten year old issue relevant, but the 1967 war which shaped the current conflict less relevant. Yes, the ethnic cleansing in Darfur is perpetrated by Arab Muslims against indigenous Africans, similar to what would happen to the Jews of Israel if the murderous Arabs were given the chance. I will not keep quiet, so long as there is an answer to a small mind, so that you and other small minds prone to propaganda, can see the truth.

      Lenzi - 2012-04-13 09:20

      Ok Larry lets discuss the 1967 war. In 1967 on the fourth day of the Six Day War, the armed forces of Israel attacked the American intelligence ship USS Liberty for 90 minutes in international waters in broad daylight following several hours of close, low-level reconnaissance. Thirty-four men died, 171 were hurt.. And again, to think the USA supplied the Israelis with military aid and never stopped.

      Fred - 2012-04-13 18:50


      Larry - 2012-04-13 21:21

      No lesego. Fred is probably bored by the sheer idiocy presented by this lenzi thing. Single issue comments are for single issue idiots. Intelligent people look at the big issue.

  • Fidel - 2012-04-13 00:58

    Tthe inability of trans-generation Israel governments to stop growing settlements is a prescription for eventual disaster. These land stealing murdering rogue terrorists should STOP settlement expansion NOW!

      Bradley - 2012-04-13 11:16

      hey i got a plan why don't you go stop them fidel

      Fidel - 2012-04-13 11:46

      @Bradley Even by the standards on here, that's an extraordinarily stupid post. Congratulations. @Jaba The only actual "legal authorities" who dispute the illegality of Israel's colonies are right-wing supporters of Israel. The ACTUAL "legal authorities" on the matter – like the UN and International Court of Justice – all agree the colonies are illegal. Resolution 242 called first and foremost for Israel to "withdraw from territories occupied in the recent conflicts". Since Israel has never honored 242, in the 42+ years since 242's passage the UN Security Council has passed at least 29 additional resolutions addressing the issue of Israel's ongoing Occupation. Funny how Israeli propagandists want to pretend that none of these resolutions exist either. Israel was founded and created through mass terror and ethnic cleansing. Israeli historians have documented this. Read Illan Pappe, Benny Morris, to name a few.

      Fred - 2012-04-13 18:51

      You continue to delude yourself and lie to others. Hence you're not believable and you'd views are weak and irrelevant.

      Fidel - 2012-04-13 19:43

      That these actions are criminal has not been in doubt since late 1967, when Israel’s leading legal authority, international jurist Theodor Meron, advised the Isreali government that its plans to initiate settlements in the occupied territories violated the Fourth Geneva Convention, a core principle of international humanitarian law, established in 1949 to criminalize the horrors of the Nazi regime. You don't contribute. You just bitch and moan. You're a coward unwilling to push beyond your limitations, and you attempt to bring everyone down to your silly level. I am not trying to convert you so I don't care whether you believe me or not!

      Larry - 2012-04-13 20:57

      Fidel, the only one bitching and moaning here is you. In Israel and its conquered territories, it is only Israel that makes the rules. The UN resolutions are toothless documents that should be used for toilet paper. Those resolution effectively require Isreal to commit suicide which it will obviously not do. No country would.

      Fidel - 2012-04-13 21:27

      How is providing argument (fact) bitching? Your are right, Israel doesn't abide by intl rules because it is a rogue country. That is what rogue countries do. Israel's disdain for any UN resolution other than the mistaken one that OK'd its foundation makes it basically an outlaw state. They've even rejected the borders that are part of that resolution.

      Larry - 2012-04-13 22:16

      Israel is only a rogue country to those opposed to Israel's existence, which make up an overwhelming majority of third world dictatorships in the UN. The UN is a democratic organisation of nation states, with the irony that most of these states have undemocratic facist governments. To balance this anomoly, the five most powerful states have a veto to limit the influence of third world blocs. On the one hand you decry the UN 'mistake' of creating Israel, but you trumpet the UN resolutions against Israel which came out of the same UN. these resolutions are unenforcable and obviously biased. The UN resolution since 1968 calling upon Turkey to desist its military occupation of northern Cyprus is no different.

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