Palestinians to proceed with UN bid

2011-05-21 14:06

Ramallah - Senior Palestinian officials say that negotiations with Israel have become pointless after Israel's prime minister rejected President Barack Obama's call to base Mideast border talks on the pre-1967 war lines.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's stance only strengthened the Palestinian resolve to bypass such talks, largely deadlocked since 2008, and seek recognition of a state at the UN instead, said Nabil Shaath, an aide to Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas.

However, Abbas himself has not given his official response to parameters for a Mideast peace deal that Obama laid out in a speech on Thursday, and it remains unclear whether the Palestinian leader would now consider abandoning the UN bid.

Since the speech, Abbas has been consulting by phone with Arab leaders. He plans to meet with Jordan's King Abdullah II on Saturday and then convene the leaders of the PLO and his Fatah movement later in the week before giving a response, Abbas’ aide Saeb Erekat said.

In his speech, Obama said that border talks must be held on the basis of Israel's frontier in 1967, before it captured the West Bank, Gaza and east Jerusalem.

The Palestinians want to establish their state in the territories Israel has occupied since that war. Recognition of the 1967 line as the starting point, while allowing for mutually agreed land swaps, has been a long-standing Palestinian demand.

A US official, speaking on condition of anonymity, has said endorsing the pre-1967 cease-fire line was done in the hopes of dissuading the Palestinians from going ahead with their UN plan.

Obama warned the Palestinians in his speech that their UN bid would be pointless and said he expected more explanations from Abbas about his reconciliation with the Islamic militant Hamas, which refuses to recognise Israel.

Netanyahu laid out hardline positions after his meeting with Obama at the White House on Friday. He said the 1967 borders were "indefensible", that the Palestinians could forget about resettling Palestinian refugees in Israel and that Abbas would have to choose between peace with Israel and reconciliation with Hamas.

  • pirate.1970 - 2011-05-21 14:49

    Israel cannot strike a deal based on the 1967 warlines! It would be suicide. It is clear what the Palestinian and mostly Moslem orientated Arabic stance is - with Israel completely defenceless, it would fulfill the Afghan and Iranian dream of wiping Israel off the map as a sovereign state. And Israel should know that no-one would dash to their rescue and take on the culprits. World wide human rights are so obscured it is laughable - actually heart-wrenching!! I pray for Israel to be protected, that their govt will remain strong and firm, and for the Israeli people to be respected and more over protected. It will not end with this piece or is only the start. It will carry on and on and demand everything in the end. The agreement entered into - I pray not - will not be honoured, we all know that and should expect that. just as the "Pres of Palestine" re-alligned himself with Hamas (Moslem militants). Why the meeting with all these different leaders - and specifically the Moslem leaders? I cannot blame the Pres of Israel on his stance. Go and have a look at the topography, read about the access and the fact that Israel would be left defenceless, don't believe me. Do the research and the maths and see for yourself. I have no qualms with Palestine or the Moslem faith - I may not agree with them, but I do not hate either - but one has to be realistic about the truth and the future.

  • slg - 2011-05-21 15:20

    Abbas has not responded yet, so this article is mostly a non-event and inciteful. Hopefully Abbas will hold steady and align himself and the Palestinian Authority with Obama's proposal. Netanyahu is out of alignment with the future that is emerging. He is at risk of being put aside. Not necessarily a bad thing, just that it would be easier if he embraced the proposal as a starting point so discussions could start. - 2011-05-21 16:23

      Slg - have to disagree with u mate - 1967 borders is a TON of land to give back - land that was won in a WAR started and provoked by the ARABS! They lost that war and now they wanna be like cry babies and want the land back? its a joke - I think Obama is going on the back foot here - The Palestinians have no right to return anywhere- the land originally was occupied by the Jews - remember Islam was only invented in the year 600AD or so - the Arab invaders conquered the land and its people years after that. Now they want a land that they stole back? If the Palestinians have a right to return then so do MILLIONS of Hindus who were kicked out of their homeland to create Pakistan when India was broken up. Muslims wanted their own country and millions of Hindus were forced to flee. So tell me mate - whats the difference between Palestine and Pakistan and India? Not much - except the history of the world proves that Islamic SUPREMACY is whats destroying and will continue to destroy the free world unless stopped!

      alfred - 2011-05-22 20:51

      @Gonny So tell me mate - If I follow your logic correctly, Palestinians have no right to land as Jews lived there originally. So the original occupants of land has an inherent right to the land while the later occupants have no right. Am I understanding you correctly? Does this rule only apply to Israel or is this a general rule?

  • ANTIZIONIST - 2011-05-21 17:00 no longer call the shots !!! Either you take what is on the table or lead your people to the sea !!! Very soon Israel will be a thing of the past !! - 2011-05-21 17:42

      @Anti zionist - we been hearing that for 100 years - keep dreaming. - 2011-05-21 17:46

      Israel is one of the most progressive, free countries in the world- there are even Muslim Arabs in Israeli parliament! Show me some jews in any Muslim parliament - they will never allow it. israel is the top country in the region despite it having jealous hostile neighbours. all the muslim countries around it or backward and keep their people dumb and stupid - without oil those countries would be like Afghanistan pre-2001 - female children not allowed to go to SCHOOL! even preschool or risk being killed- yeah some religion of peace! Anti-zionist if u support islamic supremacy then tell us if the female members of your family are allowed to go to school?

  • gpwengineer - 2011-05-21 17:08

    Actually Gonny, the land was occupied by the Arabs first. They are direct descendants of Abrahams 1st born son, Ismael. In fact, the Arabs have a more legitimate claim to the land since most people claiming to be Jews are not Jews (and cannot trace their lineage back to the original Jews). I suggest you go read up on your history before you comment on this blog. Afterall, the problem of Israel was created by the British who promised the land to the Arabs if they helped them fight the then occupants, the Turks. - 2011-05-21 17:41

      gpwengineer - thats nonsense - supply some legitimate sources where "They are direct descendants of Abrahams 1st born son, Ismael." - and dont quote the Koran. And remember there is a difference between Arabs and Muslims. In ancient times anyway.

      slg - 2011-05-21 19:30

      Abraham was an Israelite

      Cornix - 2011-05-22 06:22

      Ismael was the son of Abraham and an Egyptian woman (Hagar). He is in no way related to the Arabs. This is a very common misconception.

  • gpwengineer - 2011-05-22 04:42

    Gonny, likewise, prove that the current Jews are direct descendants of Abraham... There are many sources to prove the genealogy of Arabs. I don't think I mentioned Muslims or the Koran in my first post. Shows how ignorant you are that you immediately think Muslim when you think Arab. It is that type of generalization by ignorant people like yourself and the media that has created this stereotype. Also, before Abraham and his descendants where to become Israelites, they were first Arabs. Gonny, you ranting about Israel for Jews based on history, makes you sound like Malema who wants South Africa and its wealth only for black South Africans (based on history). Israels problem came about when the "Jews" from the defunct USSR (Russia) started immigrating to Israel causing the illegal expansion of Israeli state. I admire Obama for having the balls to say what all other world leaders have failed to say (due to the world banking system still being run by Jews). There is so many nations that have suffered under oppression. I don't understand why the "Jews" get to ride this sympathy card. There has been so many acts of genocide the past 50 years, and up till now, only the Jews have been compensated.

      Sybil Alexander - 2011-05-22 05:39

      U sound just like malema. Israel rules. The best army in world. The greatest scientist, inventors eg cell phones, that you use everyday.Should I carry on. The Palestinian are employed by the Israelis, else their would starve. Their hospital is free for all. The heart surgeon go into the arab countries and find children with heart defects, and give them a new lease in life. The list goes on............

  • Ariella Hume - 2011-05-22 08:52

    Umm - weren't the Arabs offered a state in 1948? They refused it then, but now think they can dictate the shots? They are behaving like a bunch of spoiled brats - they refused to share the land with the Jews, have systematically been trying to destroy for the past 60 years, and now when they realise they won't have it all their own way, suddenly say - "ok - we're ready to compromise - we'll have the state after all!" Well - let Egypt and Lebanon hand over land to their Palestinians brothers and sisters - Israel has no obligation to hand over land it won in a war in which she was provoked. There is plenty of land owned by Arabs in the ME - you'd think they could give some to their so-called 'Palestinian" brethren. The whole ME crisis was one engineered by the selfish anti-semitic Arabs, man of whom sided with the Nazis during WWII. Israel owes them nothing!

  • WATCHMAN - 2011-05-22 23:14

    1) Israel is not a political issue…Israel is a Bible issue. Truth is not what you think it is, truth is not what I say it is, truth is what the Bible says it is. The reality is that Israel is the only nation created by a sovereign act of God in the Book of Genesis. Israel was not born on May 15, was born 3,500 years ago when Almighty God made an eternal covenant between Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob and their descendants (see Genesis 13:14-15 and Genesis 17:7-8). 2) Those who believe the Bible are commanded in Psalms 122:6 to "Pray for the peace of Jerusalem; may they prosper who love you. Peace be within your walls, prosperity within your palaces." 3) God has promised in Genesis 12:1-4 to bless every person and nation who blesses Israel and to curse every person and nation that curses Israel. The effectiveness of this divine mandate is seen in the lives of two Pharaohs. The Pharaoh that blessed Joseph and the Jewish people avoided starvation and knew unlimited prosperity; the Pharaoh that "knew not Joseph" and who drowned Jewish male children in the Nile River was himself turned to fish food in the Red Sea with his army. Exactly what you do to the Jewish people, God will do to you. 4) In Luke 7 the blessing of healing came to the house of a Roman centurion (a Gentile) with a sick servant. Why? Jesus Christ, a Jewish Rabbi, entered the Roman centurion's house and prayed for his sick servant because "he built a synagogue" in the Land of Israel (see Luke 7:1-5). 5) St. Paul has commanded all Christians in Romans 15:27, "For if the Gentiles have benefitted from their spiritual things (the Jewish people) it is the duty of the Gentiles to minister to them in material things." What spiritual blessings have the Jewish people given to us? They have given us the Word of God, the Patriarchs, the Prophets, the first family of Christianity (Mary, Joseph, Jesus, and the 12 Disciples) and the Apostle Paul. Take away the Jewish contribution to Christianity and there would be no Christianity. 6) We support Israel because Jesus Christ our Lord said, "I say to you, 'Inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brethren, you did it to Me.'" (Matthew 25:40). The phrase "My brethren" refers to the Jewish people. Jesus never called the Gentiles His brethren until the cross. Before the cross we were, as St. Paul stated, "outside the covenants of Israel, without God and without hope and of all men most miserable." 7) We support Israel because Obadiah 1:15 and Joel 3:2 make it very clear that any nation (including America) that tries to divide the Land of Israel (including Jerusalem) will indeed experience the judgment of God. Simply stated, the day America turns its back on Israel will be the day God will turn His back on America. 8) We support Israel because Israel has the right to exist! We call on the President and Congress to demand that Hamas and the Palestinians recognize Israel's right to exist or to cut off all foreign aid immediately. Israel has the right to defined and defensible borders. Israel has the right to defend itself from any nation or group of people that attack them. To all Bible believers, let us UNITE to stand up and speak up for the State of Israel. God is watching!

      Cornix - 2011-05-23 01:45

      Amen Brother!

  • gpwengineer - 2011-05-23 00:35

    To Sybil: Israeli's are good soldiers cos they have a lot of practice killing... Inventions and Science was taken from USSR (Russia) when the Iron Curtain fell. Just for your information, the cell phone concept was invented long before Martin Cooper came along... no financial backing could be found to promote the idea to Martin Cooper came along. I wonder who owns the banks... Cut off the Israeli aid and we'll see who starves. Israelis and its supporters have always used a narrowminded interpretations of the bible to quote texts out of context. Much like the Apartheid government was able to justify apartheid using the bible. I support Obama 100% and don't think he should retract his comments. I think there are a lot of good Israeli's out there, but Israeli politics just sucks. I don't think Jews should be treated as the infallible people of God. If the Jews always did what was right in the eyes of God, why did they need prophets. In fact, last time they were kicked out of Israel it was because of their disobedience. Why should we be afraid to comment and take action when we believe the Jews are doing something wrong?

      Cornix - 2011-05-23 01:51

      OK, but Israel still has the right to exist. Israel was founded on an agreement, not stolen land.

  • gpwengineer - 2011-05-23 07:09

    The problem is that the British made the same agreement with the Palestinians first in return for their assistance in getting rid of the Turkish occupants. Read up on your world history.

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