Pope shuts down 'partying' monastery

2011-05-24 22:45

Rome - Pope Benedict XVI has shut down a famous community in Rome that organised dances by a former nightclub dancer nun and hosted VIPs like Madonna, earning the disfavour of the Vatican.

The closure of the monastery of Santa Croce in Gerusalemme, which holds some of the Church's most prized relics, was reported by Italian dailies La Stampa and Il Foglio.

The reports said the community of Cistercian monks based at the church for more than five centuries was being transferred to other churches in Italy.

Contacted by AFP, the Vatican did not deny the reports.

The basilica had become a hub for the "Friends of Santa Croce", an aristocratic group, and had been criticised for some unorthodox practices including dances in which nuns pranced around the altar.

One of the nuns who performed at the church, a former disco dancer, can be seen in a YouTube video performing a modern dance with a crucifix.

The basilica's longtime abbot, Simone Fioraso, a flamboyant former Milan fashion designer, was already moved out of the basilica two years ago.

The ban was adopted in March by the Congregation for Institutes of Consecrated Life following an inquiry but has not yet been made public, the reports said.

Pope Benedict, the leader of the world's 1.1 billion Catholics, is also the bishop of Rome, so the basilica is part of his diocese.

Santa Croce in Gerusalemme, built around a chapel dating to the fourth century, is one of Rome's oldest and most prestigious churches.

  • Jakob - 2011-05-24 23:22

    yes stop all that wine bibbering just like jesus. stupid fools, cant believe people actually care what this satanic cult do and dont do.

      daaivark - 2011-05-25 07:37

      Satanic? That's a stretch.

      Jakob - 2011-05-26 03:32

      ahhh.. 39 dislikes.. i guess all u agree to pedophile??? go do research gullible noobs and stop acting as if u know it all

  • zaatheist - 2011-05-25 05:19

    Simple business decision. Obviously the joint was not making enough money for god. And the pope certainly likes his money and gold. Religion is the ultimate slavery: it is the slavery of the mind, slavery to the fear of divine judgment and damnation. The devilish irony consists in the fact that 'divine judgment' and 'damnation' are themselves the inventions of religion: religion creates and exquisitely perfects the fear, then cynically declares itself the sole and indispensable liberator from it. - Paula KIrby

      Godel - 2011-05-25 07:01

      You sound almost just as one eyed as the Pope Zaatheist, Almost nobody in the real world care who Paula Kirby is. They do however care for the instinctive fear, awe, and love, transcendence at their core that they and our materialistic science cannot explain. Why do preach you conception of reality to the public, do you feel alone or unsure about you point of view?

      capetonian - 2011-05-25 08:01

      Keep it up Zaatheist - I just love it when we get under their skin! What exactly does Godel mean by "materialistic science"? If it wasn't for science we would all be living in caves or mud huts, much as the first European settlers found our early ancestors when they arrived at the Cape. "Transcendence" Huh!? That's what most primitive people experience when they beat drums/dance around fires/smoke or imbibe hallucinatory substances! We don't "feel alone or unsure about our point of view". What we feel is the awakening of the real enlightenment which comes with knowledge, based on substantiated FACTS, not the unsubstantiated superstitious ignorance contained in the so-called "holy" books, written by people who didn't know that the earth wasn't the centre of everything!

      Godel - 2011-05-25 09:21

      Dear Capetonian, From your post it is evident that you understand the some of the starting blocks of religion. It is also evident that you know how to use the internet. If I may suggest some reading to clarify my point of view. Materialistic science, you know what I mean but an internet search on the subject will help. Also read the work of Thomas Kuhn to understand how the mainstream paradigm dictates scientific focus. Science is a tool, most atheists and sceptics confuse it with a life philosophy. Transcendence. In the Critique of Pure Reason Kant developed one of philosophy's most famous transcendental arguments in 'The Deduction of the Pure Concepts of the Understanding'. In the 'Transcendental Aesthetic', Kant used transcendental arguments to show that sensory experiences would not be possible apart from our contributing to them their spatial and temporal form. Facts. I agree with you, unfortunately Atheism is based subjective conclusions, I do not have respect for anybody preaching their subjective enlightenment as fact. It is rude. You will also notice that your point of view is the only “good news” promoted by yourself and others in the comments. Have a nice day, Godel

      SkiaBran - 2011-05-25 10:09

      unfortunately i partially agree with Godel. science is a tool but the critical mind set is a "life philosophy". summarised as: question everything. i will add to the troll that atheism is just as untenable a position as faith. a position that can not be defended by science. however unlikely the idea of a god may seem we still have no proof one way or the other.

      Godel - 2011-05-25 10:53

      Hi SkaiBran, I agree on the critical mind set, but unlike a lot of people I believe one should be critical of everything including current paradigms. Our perception of reality is subjective and for the time being we have to make the best of that. I am not promoting a specific view point other than having an open mind and critically studying all aspects of our nature and that includes aspects that can only be studied subjectively without the scientific method. (example beauty) Once you have a set mindset that your view is correct like the creation myth in Genesis or survival of the fittest as the only driving force behind evolution you are guaranteed to be disappointed in the long run.

      LJ Graey - 2011-05-25 11:36

      Godel, caring who Paula Kirby is or not does not detract from the validity of what she said. Just cause the pope is better known does not make his point of view any more true than anyone else's. It's also interesting that you accuse Capetonian of being "rude" for "preaching his/her subjective enlightenment as fact." Yet barely a paragraph earlier you seem to do the exact same thing by claiming that Kant's "subjective point of view" is somehow "fact". I also fail to see how a 17th century philosopher's concerted efforts to prove a predetermined "truth" in any way invalidates the point of view of more modern (critical) thinkers like A.C. Grayling or Sam Harris. I also strongly disagree with your view that athiests and sceptics mistake science as a life phiosophy. Science and critical thking are in no way the same thing. Science is a tool, yes. But so is the mind. And critical thinking is merely a process that has proven very usefull for separating fact from fiction, in all walks of life, not just the sciences. I also believe trying to box "atheism" as nothing more than "subjective conclusions" is (aside from being arrogant and very disrespecful) totally misguided. Atheists are not "organised" into "denominations" or "degrees" or even "schools of thought". Being "athiest" requires nothing more than believing there are (probably) no dieties. It doesn't really matter HOW or WHY you came to the conclusion that there is no god/s...

      Godel - 2011-05-25 12:07

      Dear LJ Graey, I did not quote Kant as fact, I only quoted him to help Capetonian in his search for the meaning of transcendence and that his definition of it as drug/trance induced is not the only definition there is. If you want modern thinkers there is many I can quote. "Being "atheist" requires nothing more than believing there are (probably) no dieties" Sorry to highlight the following in your quote but the “probably” point to an agnostic view and not atheistic. A rationalisation of religion as only slavery is false any physiologist or sociologist doing research on happiness can confirm this. With other words, Paula is as guilty as the Pope when it comes to building straw men. (I think the Pope is a relic of the past and the only reason he should be respected is for the position he has in the minds of my fellow man) We are on the same page regarding science, the brain etc. I do regard religion also as a tool that is used by people with a common believe systems. Please visit atheist forums to find that atheists love to share their opinions of how enlightened they are, their churches just look and sound different. BTW I don’t endorse religion and don’t follow it either but I do believe in people right to do so if they choose. I still believe it is rude to try and convince other people of your own viewpoints if it is subjective in a public forum.

      LJ Graey - 2011-05-25 14:13

      Godel Apologies for my misunderstanding of your use of Kant. And no need to apologise for pointing out the seeming inconsistency in my statement. I'm not much for semantics, but I suppose some kind of boundary needs to be established for the purposes of discussion. Agnosticism as I understand it has more to do with believing it impossible to prove/disprove the existence of god/s, which would make most of humanity agnostic to some extent (if you want to get confusingly technical about it). I, for one, do not believe there are any gods, but I also concede that there is a chance, no matter how slight, that I might be wrong. Hence the "probably". I certainly don't identify as agnostic, so I suppose the label is somewhat subjective. As for Paula's argument: The assumption that slavery and happiness are mutually exclusive does seem to invalidate her statement. But I believe the assumption itself to be false. I do not believe levels of joy are at all a good indication of freedom. It's entirely possible to be perfectly happy while being held captive in some way (especially if the subject believes it's what they want) , which makes the mental manipulation she tries to highlight all the more insidious. The only part of her argument I find questionable is the inference that religions knowingly lie to their followers, but that doesn't make it untrue either. As for the athiest sites: I've seen them, but I don't think that it's the norm. Simply the few making more noise than the many.

      Godel - 2011-05-26 10:01

      Hi LJ, I hope you read my reply, I loved your post and it is proof of somebody that can look critically and undogmatically at life. Personally I think that such an outlook is essential for a happy life. Like most of us including myself our view of happiness like love is incomplete and I spend a considerable time daily to expand my views of happiness. Joy and pleasure can be aspects of happiness but does not guarantee happiness. I have great respect for the contribution of many atheist thinkers to the wisdom of man today excuse me for listing some of them. Abraham Maslow - Peak Experiences: It will help you to understand the roots and foundation of all believe. The Happiness Hypothesis - Jonathan Haidt “For the reader who seeks to understand happiness, my advice is: Begin with Haidt.” --Martin E. P. Seligman, Professor of psychology, University of Pennsylvania, author of Authentic Happiness. I loved the book and after reading it you will understand that even contributions made 3000 years ago to wisdom is still valid today. My intention was to share with you both the aforementioned authors, they are atheist and did not allow their mindset to dictate their reality, unlike the impression that I got from Sam Harris. Regards, Godel

  • therealdeal - 2011-05-25 05:39

    YOU GO NUNS, GO .........

  • Toby C. Goss - 2011-05-25 06:14

    What do you mean..., no more ROCK ON ?

  • Butterfly Baby - 2011-05-25 08:22

    Satanic Cult Jakob? You are obviously a very uneducated person to be going around saying the Catholics are satanic, If believing in God is Satanic then i do not know where you stand. Every religion in the world has their faults but believing in God is all that matters to me, please dont come say that what you believe is perfect because we all know its not.. You people can judge all you want, but as a Roman Catholic i know the faults of my religion but then again what religion is perfect? It up to us to believe what we want, and people who want to judge can go ahead because at the end of the day...I dont actually care to speak to someone who is so uneducated and obviuosly doesnt know what he is talking about. Our religion has been around for how long compared to yours? Do me a favour, seriously!

      Pablo - 2011-05-25 08:26

      butterfly baby please tell me you honestly dont believe what you are saying. my guess is you dont even realise how many satanic cults are disguised as churches...... sheeple....

      Kgwadi - 2011-05-25 09:09

      @Pablo.Spoke the truth,A lot of them,pretenders.

  • vambozha mutemi - 2011-05-25 08:50

    Shake shake...shake what yo mama gave yah

  • Rasalas - 2011-05-25 09:11

    People really need to wake up and realise that the laws of catholicism include the catechisms and canons of the Church, laws fabricated and written by men that deny the pure and simple Gospel of Jesus Christ.

  • Butterfly Baby - 2011-05-25 10:02

    Yes i do Realise that Pablo, what better way to Infiltrate the church then to build it under the actual church, do you think i am blind? Evil will always exist no matter what, but i am at least not blind..I see what happens and i do not profess to have a perfect religion but you cannot make statements like that and actually believe them?No religion is without faul and saying Catholics are all satanists is ridiculous! There are alot of things i do not believe but that doesnt make me think we are satanists! We are the longest standing and followed religion, there must be some good to that, how could you imply that bieng satanistic is following god and Jesus? Is that really what you believe? Is your religion without faults? Have you never sinned before? Or are you perfect? I could go on and on but the fact is, there is evil out there and we just need to follow our hearts and believe in God and Jesus, and not judge because as they say ' He who lives in a glass house should not thrown stones".

      FlameRyda - 2011-05-25 10:16

      i honestly do not get the gist of what you're saying...... so let me break it down for you. My point was that most religions that preach salvation from the 'dark side' actually have their roots entrenched in the same darkside... and it is disturbing how many christians (and many others from other religions) believe without questioning..... it is also disturbing that grown ass people are dedicating their lives to a concept they dont even understand! Dont get me wrong, organised religion does have its positive points, but we need to be aware what we are getting ourselves into....

  • Equal rights - 2011-05-25 11:45

    The story def. is so bizzarre, that's what you get when the secular media catches stompies.... On a lighter note though, isn't this is a case of "Nun the better"/and "Maddona" is that of a stage name afterall?

  • nortee - 2011-05-25 13:12

    Didn't the Pope watch Sister Act I? (No... not II... that was just crap!)

  • daaivark - 2011-05-25 14:47

    dee do nun nun.

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